Re: Word and Frame comparisons

[Lin Sims]

I recall hearing (about 10 years or so ago, things may have changed), that
a lot of Microsoft's documentation was written in FrameMaker, not Word,
because Word couldn't handle what they needed to do. That always amused me.

I wonder if it's still the case ...


On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Steve Rickaby 
srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk wrote:

 At 13:41 -0700 25/9/13, Alison Craig wrote:

 Word isŠ (long pause), Word isŠ (another long pause). Word is for memos.

 Ok, I cannot resist rising to this...

 Quite a few years ago, I had to prepare some assembly instructions for a
 mineral ore separator. The client mandated Word, probably because it was
 the only document preparation program they had ever heard of.

 The version of Word I was using had the interesting property of consigning
 diagrams that overflowed the page into some Byte World in the Sky: that is,
 as added text caused them to flow off the end of the current page, they
 failed to appear on the following page.

 I had (gasp) paid support for this version of Word, so I rang Microsoft
 and explained the issue. After a long pause, the M$ support person said -
 and I am not making this up - It sounds as if you are trying to do
 something that is too complex for Word [yeah, like words and pictures?] -
 have you thought of using FrameMaker?

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SOLVED: Missing title bar, disappearing Application bar

[Dave.Stamm]

2013-09-27-05T12:45Z

I began to wonder whether some programmatic file of FrameMaker had been 
corrupted.  Robert Lauriston suggested refreshing (my term) \ maker.ini.

So, I found a separately-saved version of my \ maker.ini and replaced the one 
that FrameMaker was using.

All is well again.

My hearty ¡Thanks! to all who responded and offered suggestions and help.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

-Original Message-
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Sent: 2013-09-26-Thursday 11:20
To: FrameMaker user's list posting
Subject: Missing title bar, disappearing Application bar

2013-09-26-04T15:20Z

Windows 7 Enterprise operating system, 64-bit, 8 GB RAM

FrameMaker 11.0.2.384, interface:  Structured

working with unstructured .book and its children


Help, please.

Within the last two weeks for no reason that I can determine, the behavior of 
FrameMaker's interface has changed such that:

   1.  The title bar no longer appears.

   2.  When I focus on a child file, the Application bar appears above the 
menu bar.

   3.  When I choose _anything_ in the .book window, the Application bar 
disappears.  This shifts everything up.

   4.  When I focus on a child file, the Application bar reappears above 
the menu bar.  This shifts everything down.

Seeing this oh, say, a hundred times a day is _very_ frustrating and a _lot_ of 
visual load that I don't want.

I want the interface to:

   1.  Display the title bar.

   1.  Not display the Application bar.

   2.  Display the icons from the Application bar on the menu bar and to the 
right of the menu names.

¡I hope that one or more of you gurus will provide the solution soon!

¡Thanks!
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

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Re: Missing title bar, disappearing Application bar

[Robert Lauriston]

Used to be that you could restore FrameMaker to its defaults by
closing the application, deleting or renaming maker.ini, and
restarting. Does that still work in FM11?

http://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker/kb/troubleshoot-system-errors-freezes-framemaker.html
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Re: variables not hiding when set to conditional text

[rebecca officer]

Hi Linda
 
What formatting do you have applied to your variables? There's a bug that has 
this effect for xref formats, that makes them unconditional in some 
circumstances. I'm wondering if you're seeing something similar.
 
Conditional text on variables works fine for us in FM10, so it's not a 
universal bug.
 
Cheers
Rebecca

 Linda Rose lindaros...@gmail.com 27/09/13 04:56 
FM 10 on Win7.


When I set a paragraph with variables to be conditional, then hide it, the 
variable don't hide. Even when I select a variable and apply a conditional tag, 
it doesn't take.


Has anyone else seen this and found a workaround? Is this a defect in FM10?


Thanks.

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FM 8: Next Paratag setting fails

[VLM TechSubs]

Greetings,

 

Win 7, FM 8. I use the Next Paragraph Tag setting in the Para Designer, and it 
just doesn't work. I can set the setting, but when I
press Enter at the end of a paragraph, the new paragraph always has the same 
tag as the preceding one, regardless of this setting.
Royal pain!

 

Any thoughts would be appreciated!

 

Thanks,

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Re: FM 8: Next Paratag setting fails

[Stuart Rogers]

On 2013-Sep-27 12:51 PM, VLM TechSubs wrote:

Greetings,

Win 7, FM 8. I use the Next Paragraph Tag setting in the Para Designer,
and it just doesn’t work. I can set the setting, but when I press
“Enter” at the end of a paragraph, the new paragraph always has the same
tag as the preceding one, regardless of this setting. Royal pain!

Any thoughts would be appreciated!

Thanks,

Elchanan



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RE: FM 8: Next Paratag setting fails

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Elchanan,

 

It works for me with FrameMaker 8 and Windows 7. Make sure the Next
Paragraph Format exists in the document; if it doesn't the tag won't be
applied.

 

Rick

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-283-5045

r...@frameexpert.com

 

 

 

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Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 12:51 PM
To: Framers
Subject: FM 8: Next Paratag setting fails

 

Greetings,

 

Win 7, FM 8. I use the Next Paragraph Tag setting in the Para Designer, and
it just doesn't work. I can set the setting, but when I press Enter at the
end of a paragraph, the new paragraph always has the same tag as the
preceding one, regardless of this setting. Royal pain!

 

Any thoughts would be appreciated!

 

Thanks,

Elchanan

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RE: Footnote numbering

[VLM TechSubs]

Never mind, I figured it out. Format  Document  Numbering  Footnote tab. 
Yaay!

 

From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:43 AM
To: Framers
Subject: Footnote numbering

 

Greetings!

 

Is there a way to control whether footnote numbering restarts from 1 per page 
vs. per file vs. throughout a book?

 

Thanks,

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Footnote numbering

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Greetings!

 

Is there a way to control whether footnote numbering restarts from 1 per page 
vs. per file vs. throughout a book?

 

Thanks,

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New Script added to FrameScript 6 App Library

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Announcing the latest addition to the FrameScript 6 App Library. It's called 
TidyImport. This is a free download for all FrameScript 6 customers.

Since the CleanImport client is no longer available (and was not updated for 
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These formats and styles include paragraph formats, character formats, table 
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Re: Word and Frame comparisons

[quills]

Sadly, no. They don't document their applications anymore.

Scott T.

Lin Sims wrote:

I recall hearing (about 10 years or so ago, things may have changed),
that a lot of Microsoft's documentation was written in FrameMaker, not
Word, because Word couldn't handle what they needed to do. That always
amused me.

I wonder if it's still the case ...


On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Steve Rickaby
srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk
mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk wrote:

At 13:41 -0700 25/9/13, Alison Craig wrote:

 Word isŠ (long pause), Word isŠ (another long pause). Word is for
memos.

Ok, I cannot resist rising to this...

Quite a few years ago, I had to prepare some assembly instructions
for a mineral ore separator. The client mandated Word, probably
because it was the only document preparation program they had ever
heard of.

The version of Word I was using had the interesting property of
consigning diagrams that overflowed the page into some Byte World in
the Sky: that is, as added text caused them to flow off the end of
the current page, they failed to appear on the following page.

I had (gasp) paid support for this version of Word, so I rang
Microsoft and explained the issue. After a long pause, the M$
support person said - and I am not making this up - It sounds as if
you are trying to do something that is too complex for Word [yeah,
like words and pictures?] - have you thought of using FrameMaker?

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Word and Frame comparisons

[Lin Sims]

I recall hearing (about 10 years or so ago, things may have changed), that
a lot of Microsoft's documentation was written in FrameMaker, not Word,
because Word couldn't handle what they needed to do. That always amused me.

I wonder if it's still the case ...


On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Steve Rickaby <
srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> At 13:41 -0700 25/9/13, Alison Craig wrote:
>
> >"Word is? (long pause), Word is? (another long pause). Word is for memos."
>
> Ok, I cannot resist rising to this...
>
> Quite a few years ago, I had to prepare some assembly instructions for a
> mineral ore separator. The client mandated Word, probably because it was
> the only document preparation program they had ever heard of.
>
> The version of Word I was using had the interesting property of consigning
> diagrams that overflowed the page into some Byte World in the Sky: that is,
> as added text caused them to flow off the end of the current page, they
> failed to appear on the following page.
>
> I had (gasp) paid support for this version of Word, so I rang Microsoft
> and explained the issue. After a long pause, the M$ support person said -
> and I am not making this up - "It sounds as if you are trying to do
> something that is too complex for Word [yeah, like words and pictures?] -
> have you thought of using FrameMaker?"
>
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SOLVED: Missing title bar, disappearing Application bar

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-09-27-05T12:45Z

I began to wonder whether some programmatic file of FrameMaker had been 
corrupted.  Robert Lauriston suggested "refreshing" (my term) \?maker.ini.

So, I found a separately-saved version of my \?maker.ini and replaced the one 
that FrameMaker was using.

All is well again.

My hearty "?Thanks!" to all who responded and offered suggestions and help.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

-Original Message-
From: Stamm, David-P45904 
Sent: 2013-09-26-Thursday 11:20
To: FrameMaker user's list posting
Subject: Missing title bar, disappearing Application bar

2013-09-26-04T15:20Z

Windows 7 Enterprise operating system, 64-bit, 8?GB RAM

FrameMaker 11.0.2.384, interface:  Structured

working with unstructured .book and its "children"


Help, please.

Within the last two weeks for no reason that I can determine, the behavior of 
FrameMaker's interface has changed such that:

   1.  The title bar no longer appears.

   2.  When I focus on a "child" file, the "Application bar" appears above the 
menu bar.

   3.  When I choose _anything_ in the .book window, the "Application bar" 
disappears.  This shifts everything up.

   4.  When I focus on a "child" file, the "Application bar" reappears above 
the menu bar.  This shifts everything down.

Seeing this oh, say, a hundred times a day is _very_ frustrating and a _lot_ of 
"visual load" that I don't want.

I want the interface to:

   1.  Display the title bar.

   1.  Not display the "Application bar."

   2.  Display the icons from the "Application bar" on the menu bar and to the 
right of the menu names.

?I hope that one or more of you gurus will provide the solution soon!

?Thanks!
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

variables not hiding when set to conditional text

[rebecca officer]

Hi Linda

What formatting do you have applied to your variables? There's a bug that has 
this effect for xref formats, that makes them unconditional in some 
circumstances. I'm wondering if you're seeing something similar.

Conditional text on variables works fine for us in FM10, so it's not a 
universal bug.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Linda Rose  27/09/13 04:56 >>>
FM 10 on Win7.


When I set a paragraph with variables to be conditional, then hide it, the 
variable don't hide. Even when I select a variable and apply a conditional tag, 
it doesn't take.


Has anyone else seen this and found a workaround? Is this a defect in FM10?


Thanks.

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FM 8: Next Paratag setting fails

[VLM TechSubs]

Greetings,



Win 7, FM 8. I use the Next Paragraph Tag setting in the Para Designer, and it 
just doesn't work. I can set the setting, but when I
press "Enter" at the end of a paragraph, the new paragraph always has the same 
tag as the preceding one, regardless of this setting.
Royal pain!



Any thoughts would be appreciated!



Thanks,

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FM 8: Next Paratag setting fails

[Stuart Rogers]

On 2013-Sep-27 12:51 PM, VLM TechSubs wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Win 7, FM 8. I use the Next Paragraph Tag setting in the Para Designer,
> and it just doesn?t work. I can set the setting, but when I press
> ?Enter? at the end of a paragraph, the new paragraph always has the same
> tag as the preceding one, regardless of this setting. Royal pain!
>
> Any thoughts would be appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Elchanan
>

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FM 8: Next Paratag setting fails

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Elchanan,



It works for me with FrameMaker 8 and Windows 7. Make sure the Next
Paragraph Format exists in the document; if it doesn't the tag won't be
applied.



Rick



Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-283-5045

rick at frameexpert.com







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Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 12:51 PM
To: Framers
Subject: FM 8: Next Paratag setting fails



Greetings,



Win 7, FM 8. I use the Next Paragraph Tag setting in the Para Designer, and
it just doesn't work. I can set the setting, but when I press "Enter" at the
end of a paragraph, the new paragraph always has the same tag as the
preceding one, regardless of this setting. Royal pain!



Any thoughts would be appreciated!



Thanks,

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Footnote numbering

[VLM TechSubs]

Greetings!



Is there a way to control whether footnote numbering restarts from 1 per page 
vs. per file vs. throughout a book?



Thanks,

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Footnote numbering

[VLM TechSubs]

Never mind, I figured it out. Format > Document > Numbering > Footnote tab. 
Yaay!



From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:43 AM
To: Framers
Subject: Footnote numbering



Greetings!



Is there a way to control whether footnote numbering restarts from 1 per page 
vs. per file vs. throughout a book?



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New Script added to FrameScript 6 App Library

[Marjorie Mayo]

FrameScript(r) FrameMaker Scripting Automation and Customization

===
ANNOUNCEMENT

Announcing the latest addition to the FrameScript 6 App Library. It's called 
TidyImport. This is a free download for all FrameScript 6 customers.

Since the CleanImport client is no longer available (and was not updated for 
the current FrameMaker releases), we, at ElmSoft, have written a FrameScript 6 
App that performs the same functionality. In addition, we have updated its 
functionality for releases through FrameMaker 11.

In short, TidyImport imports selected formats (and styles) from a template 
document into another document (or all the selected documents in a book), while 
removing formats (and styles) that are not present in the template document. 
These formats and styles include paragraph formats, character formats, table 
formats, variable formats, cross-reference formats,condition formats,master 
pages, reference pages,color definitions,math definitions,Conditional Build 
Expressions (Fm10 or greater),Object Styles(Fm11 or greater).

See the FrameScript 6 App Library Web page for more information.

For more information about these scripts see the web site 
https://framescript.com/?page_id=33597.

Disclaimer
These scripts are provided "as is". We hope they will be useful to FrameScript 
6 customers. However, these downloads are provided WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY 
whatsoever. We make no claims as to even their usefulness or any other implied 
use. Feel free to use them as you wish.
If you wish to contribute to this list, make suggestions for improvement, 
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Sadly, no. They don't document their applications anymore.

Scott T.

Lin Sims wrote:
> I recall hearing (about 10 years or so ago, things may have changed),
> that a lot of Microsoft's documentation was written in FrameMaker, not
> Word, because Word couldn't handle what they needed to do. That always
> amused me.
>
> I wonder if it's still the case ...
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Steve Rickaby
>  > wrote:
>
> At 13:41 -0700 25/9/13, Alison Craig wrote:
>
>  >"Word is? (long pause), Word is? (another long pause). Word is for
> memos."
>
> Ok, I cannot resist rising to this...
>
> Quite a few years ago, I had to prepare some assembly instructions
> for a mineral ore separator. The client mandated Word, probably
> because it was the only document preparation program they had ever
> heard of.
>
> The version of Word I was using had the interesting property of
> consigning diagrams that overflowed the page into some Byte World in
> the Sky: that is, as added text caused them to flow off the end of
> the current page, they failed to appear on the following page.
>
> I had (gasp) paid support for this version of Word, so I rang
> Microsoft and explained the issue. After a long pause, the M$
> support person said - and I am not making this up - "It sounds as if
> you are trying to do something that is too complex for Word [yeah,
> like words and pictures?] - have you thought of using FrameMaker?"
>
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