RE: stability FM 11RE: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version
Mine was with xrefs - there was some memory leak involved with displaying the xref panel and if you used the scroll wheel on the mouse it would cause it to freeze, then crash. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede Sent: May-13-15 9:26 AM To: framers Subject: stability FM 11RE: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version The stability problems I saw with FM 11 were mostly related to Tracked Changes. I found that it would crash after a generate when saving the book file. It would save all the other files fine, but saving the book file would cause a crash. I found that open and saving the book as mif then resaving as a regular book file would allow a couple of book saves before the problem recurred. The procedure I was following was: Generate the book (twice) Save all Files in book from the book using the Shift key option that allow that. Close all files in book (again using the Shift key option). SaveAsPDF from the book. The crash would occur when the book file was saved. FM 12 is definitely more stable. Don't use the updates beyond the second update (12.02?) if you need CMYK printing to work. Thank you. Craig ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version
I can endorse the stability of FM12 - I was looking for the crash log location the other day realized that I haven't had a crash yet with it (unlike almost daily ones with FM11). -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Sent: May-13-15 3:41 AM To: Robert Lauriston; Caroline Tabach; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version FM9 broke some keyboard shortcuts but in FM11 they work again. (I skipped over 10, so I don't know about 10.) The only thing is that the first time after opening FM, when you use certain keyboard shortcuts like F9, there is a few second delay. After that it's fine and all of them work, F8, F9, etc. They also have added some nice keyboard shortcuts for repeating the last command (previously there was one for repeating character command and one for repeating paragraph commands), and adding/removing conditional text. I've heard 12 is even better than 11 in terms of stability, aside from the additions. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 12-May-15 9:57 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: Fundamentally, unstructured FrameMaker has changed very little. I've opened FM6 in recent versions and had zero problems. New features have been added but old things all work pretty much the same. FM8 switched to Unicode. Anything using the old Zapf Dingbats that was bundled with FM will need to be redone. Any other symbol or dingbat font may need cleanup. FM9 introduced a new UI layered on the old one (when you drill down, you may still see dialogs unchanged from FM5), which broke a lot of keyboard shortcuts, many of which they never fixed. If you're used to driving everything from the keyboard and never touching the mouse, you'll probably hate it and have a bad month or two getting used to constantly using the mouse. FM12 added the core features from RoboHelp (look for multi-channel publishing in the docs), so you probably won't need to upgrade ePublisher or buy RoboHelp. On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 2:53 AM, Caroline Tabach carol...@radcom.com wrote: At the moment we are using FrameMaker 7.2 and ePublisher Pro version 9.2 to create PDF files, and a collections of help files which are mostly html, with 2 or 3 .chm files The applications mostly run on Internet Explorer (and the .chm files are for the 2 that are not over IE). I would like to upgrade our applications as they do not really run on my current operating system and because I want to also produce more modern output. I need to make PDF, ePub, Responsive html and .chm. What do you all recommend? Is FrameMaker 12 enough to use stand alone? Do I need ePublisher Pro or RoboHelp? How would I go about importing my Frame 7.2 files into Frame 12. Does it support them or would I need to save as MIF and then open the MIF files. I have quite a lot of user guides. To what extent will FrameMaker let me change the design? What is the learning curve from 7.2 to 12? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jeff.coatsworth%40jonasclub.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: stability FM 11RE: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version
I don’t know about FM 11, but I had similar problems to those reported by Craig with FM 10 and Tracked Changes, especially if I used change tracking in conjunction with conditional text. I’ve given up using change tracking because of that. Regards Keith -- Keith Soltys Senior Technical Writer Architecture TMX Group (416) 947-4397 http://www.tmx.com/ From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 9:49 AM To: framers Subject: RE: stability FM 11RE: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version Mine was with xrefs – there was some memory leak involved with displaying the xref panel and if you used the scroll wheel on the mouse it would cause it to freeze, then crash. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede Sent: May-13-15 9:26 AM To: framers Subject: stability FM 11RE: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version The stability problems I saw with FM 11 were mostly related to Tracked Changes. I found that it would crash after a generate when saving the book file. It would save all the other files fine, but saving the book file would cause a crash. I found that open and saving the book as mif then resaving as a regular book file would allow a couple of book saves before the problem recurred. The procedure I was following was: Generate the book (twice) Save all Files in book from the book using the Shift key option that allow that. Close all files in book (again using the Shift key option). SaveAsPDF from the book. The crash would occur when the book file was saved. FM 12 is definitely more stable. Don't use the updates beyond the second update (12.02?) if you need CMYK printing to work. Thank you. Craig NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail, including all materials contained in or attached to this e-mail, contains proprietary and confidential information solely for the internal use of the intended recipient. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and ensure that it is permanently deleted from your systems, and do not print, copy, distribute or read its contents. AVIS DE CONFIDENTIALITÉ Le présent courriel, y compris tous les documents qu'il contient ou qui y sont joints, renferme des renseignements exclusifs et confidentiels destinés uniquement à l'usage interne du destinataire prévu. Si vous avez reçu le présent courriel par erreur, veuillez nous aviser immédiatement, notamment par retour de courriel, et vous assurer qu'il est supprimé de façon permanente de vos systèmes; veuillez également vous abstenir d'imprimer, de copier, de distribuer ou de lire son contenu. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
stability FM 11RE: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version
The stability problems I saw with FM 11 were mostly related to Tracked Changes. I found that it would crash after a generate when saving the book file. It would save all the other files fine, but saving the book file would cause a crash. I found that open and saving the book as mif then resaving as a regular book file would allow a couple of book saves before the problem recurred. The procedure I was following was: Generate the book (twice) Save all Files in book from the book using the Shift key option that allow that. Close all files in book (again using the Shift key option). SaveAsPDF from the book. The crash would occur when the book file was saved. FM 12 is definitely more stable. Don't use the updates beyond the second update (12.02?) if you need CMYK printing to work. Thank you. Craig ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version
On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 12:41 AM, Shmuel shmue...@gmail.com wrote: FM9 broke some keyboard shortcuts but in FM11 they work again. (I skipped over 10, so I don't know about 10.) Here's my list of bugs from FM10 (I had most of these problems with FM9 but didn't have to use it enough to bother making a list), have they all been fixed? 1. Document window size and position are not saved. 2. Docked panels often appear behind the document window, and I have to resize, minimize, or close the document window to use them. Since window size and position are not saved, I have to resize them dozens of times a day. 3. Sometimes I have the opposite problem: the side of a window is completely blocked by the character or paragraph tag catalog, so I have to minimize, close, or move the panel before I can resize the window. 4. When I open a panel, sometimes it appears behind another panel that's already open, and I have to move one or the other before I can use it. 5. The first time I press Ctrl-f, I can just type the search string, but after that the focus within the Find/Change seems to be random, so I can't. 6. After a book has been open for a while, it no longer responds to menu commands. I can double-click files to open them or use the right-click menu, but if I try to select a menu command such as Edit Update Book or File Save As PDF the book window minimizes and is no longer active. The only workaround I've found is to close and reopen the book window, which I end up doing dozens of times a day. 7. A separate FrameMaker button appears on the taskbar for each file that's open. 8. The FrameMaker console window appears behind the application window. Bringing it to the front is sometimes difficult. 9. When I first start FrameMaker, Ctrl-F6 switches between open windows. After a while, it stops working. (I can use alt-key menu navigation.) 10. Alt-key menu letters are not displayed for all menu commands (e.g. Documents on the Window menu). 11. If I Alt-Tab to FrameMaker from another application, pressing Alt-Tab again takes me to another FrameMaker document window (if more than one document is open) instead of back to the other application. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version
FM9 broke some keyboard shortcuts but in FM11 they work again. (I skipped over 10, so I don't know about 10.) The only thing is that the first time after opening FM, when you use certain keyboard shortcuts like F9, there is a few second delay. After that it's fine and all of them work, F8, F9, etc. They also have added some nice keyboard shortcuts for repeating the last command (previously there was one for repeating character command and one for repeating paragraph commands), and adding/removing conditional text. I've heard 12 is even better than 11 in terms of stability, aside from the additions. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 12-May-15 9:57 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: Fundamentally, unstructured FrameMaker has changed very little. I've opened FM6 in recent versions and had zero problems. New features have been added but old things all work pretty much the same. FM8 switched to Unicode. Anything using the old Zapf Dingbats that was bundled with FM will need to be redone. Any other symbol or dingbat font may need cleanup. FM9 introduced a new UI layered on the old one (when you drill down, you may still see dialogs unchanged from FM5), which broke a lot of keyboard shortcuts, many of which they never fixed. If you're used to driving everything from the keyboard and never touching the mouse, you'll probably hate it and have a bad month or two getting used to constantly using the mouse. FM12 added the core features from RoboHelp (look for multi-channel publishing in the docs), so you probably won't need to upgrade ePublisher or buy RoboHelp. On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 2:53 AM, Caroline Tabach carol...@radcom.com wrote: At the moment we are using FrameMaker 7.2 and ePublisher Pro version 9.2 to create PDF files, and a collections of help files which are mostly html, with 2 or 3 .chm files The applications mostly run on Internet Explorer (and the .chm files are for the 2 that are not over IE). I would like to upgrade our applications as they do not really run on my current operating system and because I want to also produce more modern output. I need to make PDF, ePub, Responsive html and .chm. What do you all recommend? Is FrameMaker 12 enough to use stand alone? Do I need ePublisher Pro or RoboHelp? How would I go about importing my Frame 7.2 files into Frame 12. Does it support them or would I need to save as MIF and then open the MIF files. I have quite a lot of user guides. To what extent will FrameMaker let me change the design? What is the learning curve from 7.2 to 12? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version
That's good to know, as it is always difficult to change things like that, that you have got used to Caroline Tabach Technical/Marcom Writer Tel: +972-077-7745-042| carol...@radcom.com | www.radcom.com -Original Message- From: Shmuel [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:41 To: Robert Lauriston; Caroline Tabach; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version FM9 broke some keyboard shortcuts but in FM11 they work again. (I skipped over 10, so I don't know about 10.) The only thing is that the first time after opening FM, when you use certain keyboard shortcuts like F9, there is a few second delay. After that it's fine and all of them work, F8, F9, etc. They also have added some nice keyboard shortcuts for repeating the last command (previously there was one for repeating character command and one for repeating paragraph commands), and adding/removing conditional text. I've heard 12 is even better than 11 in terms of stability, aside from the additions. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 12-May-15 9:57 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: Fundamentally, unstructured FrameMaker has changed very little. I've opened FM6 in recent versions and had zero problems. New features have been added but old things all work pretty much the same. FM8 switched to Unicode. Anything using the old Zapf Dingbats that was bundled with FM will need to be redone. Any other symbol or dingbat font may need cleanup. FM9 introduced a new UI layered on the old one (when you drill down, you may still see dialogs unchanged from FM5), which broke a lot of keyboard shortcuts, many of which they never fixed. If you're used to driving everything from the keyboard and never touching the mouse, you'll probably hate it and have a bad month or two getting used to constantly using the mouse. FM12 added the core features from RoboHelp (look for multi-channel publishing in the docs), so you probably won't need to upgrade ePublisher or buy RoboHelp. On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 2:53 AM, Caroline Tabach carol...@radcom.com wrote: At the moment we are using FrameMaker 7.2 and ePublisher Pro version 9.2 to create PDF files, and a collections of help files which are mostly html, with 2 or 3 .chm files The applications mostly run on Internet Explorer (and the .chm files are for the 2 that are not over IE). I would like to upgrade our applications as they do not really run on my current operating system and because I want to also produce more modern output. I need to make PDF, ePub, Responsive html and .chm. What do you all recommend? Is FrameMaker 12 enough to use stand alone? Do I need ePublisher Pro or RoboHelp? How would I go about importing my Frame 7.2 files into Frame 12. Does it support them or would I need to save as MIF and then open the MIF files. I have quite a lot of user guides. To what extent will FrameMaker let me change the design? What is the learning curve from 7.2 to 12? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.c om Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
