[Framers] Framemaker 5.5

[David Klein]

I am a retired technical writer who cannot afford to upgrade to a later
version.

I have been using Framemaker to write my autobiography on an older computer
running Windows XP. I purchased a newer computer running Windows 7
Professional that has the ability to set up a windows virtual PC. I finally
figured out the way to get it to work over the weekend, and installed
Framemaker 5.5 and my Epson XP-420 printer. I am able to make a file and
print it,

The problem is trying to save the file so that I can integrate it with the
many other files I have saved to a portable drive using my old XP computer.

When I connect this drive to the Windows 7 it is fully recognized as a
separate drive. When I open the files, the titles are shown. Of course,
because the software is not recognized by Windows 7 Professional, the
actual files are not shown.

Here is the problem. When I am in wndows virtual PC and go to save a file
in the portable drive I get the following: \\tsclient\J on Entire Network
with MyBackup in the center. When I attempt to open MyBackup I get a list
of very old programs with a question: Do I want to convert? I feel sure
this is generated by Framemaker 5.5 because of the age of the programs. In
other words it does not recognize Framemaker as an option.

It seems I have no option to save a file generated within windows virtual
PC to an external device. If there is a way, I would like to hear it.
Thanks.
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Re: [Framers] Font size in marker windows, in FM2017

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

I actively drag and drop my FM2017 between 2 monitors. One is a large
screen, but at 1280/720 resolution. The other is a smaller screen, but at
3000/2000. I can see things like the paragraph designer actually be at
"50/50" when I am between screens. Part is 'larger' and the other 'smaller'.
As soon as I drop the designer in one or the other it's "right". I can't
define it too clearly, but my 2 cents... Download the trial and see if it
work. I'm on my glasses for reading on the computer, and for the rest of the
world when I step away, but it does what I expect it to do. My expectations
and any other users may vary, but I'm happy with the dual monitor world,
dual resolutions, and with FM objects on one screen or the other.

Bernard



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>  The font size of the marker window is the same in 2017 as it is in
earlier versions. 
> So you will be very disappointed (and upset) if you upgrade to 2017 
> and expect a larger font in the marker window.

When Adobe released FM2017, they claimed to have finally made it compatible
with high-density screens, but I noticed that their screen grabs did not
include any demonstration of this. Since I suspected that they were merely
lying again, I contacted a sales rep and promised that I would upgrade
*immediately* to FM2017, *paying whatever price*,  if only they would
provide me with a screen grab that demonstrated that they were at long last
telling the truth -- that their newest release was indeed compatible with
high-density screens. When the sales rep was (predictably) nonresponsive, I
presumed that this meant that they were lying again. -- Now I see, from this
thread, that unfortunately this was an accurate assessment.

Please pardon me for anger at their disrespect of their customer base --
after passing through every release of FrameMaker since long before Adobe
acquired it, I am 79 now, and my eyes have become my severe limiting
condition.

Austin Meredith, kou...@kouroo.info
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Re: [Framers] Font size in marker windows, in FM2017

[Stefan Gentz]

Hi Austin,

compatibility with high-dpi screens is one of the major changes in the 2017 
release. FrameMaker fully supports high-dpi screens up to 4k (3840 x 2160).
This can also be found on our official product pages:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html
Please also see our video about it:
https://video.tv.adobe.com/v/16936/
(Although it's "only" in Full HD, not 4k).

FrameMaker 2017 recognizes your screen resolution and Windows display scaling 
and adopts automatically the UI scaling based on your Windows environment even 
for multi-monitor environments with different resolutions / dpi ("Per-Monitor 
DPI-aware" in Microsoft terminology).

Unfortunately this list does not allow embedding screenshots or attachments. 
But I will be happy to send you a screenshot taken on a 4k monitor by e-mail if 
you allow me to do so.

Also, would you mind telling me the name of the sales rep that you were talking 
to? I would like to catch up with him/her.


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On 20 Mar 2017, at 22:05, "kou...@kouroo.info" 
> wrote:

The font size of the marker window is the same in 2017 as it is in earlier 
versions.
So you will be very disappointed (and upset) if you upgrade to 2017 and expect
a larger font in the marker window.

When Adobe released FM2017, they claimed to have finally made it compatible 
with high-density screens, but I noticed that their screen grabs did not 
include any demonstration of this. Since I suspected that they were merely 
lying again, I contacted a sales rep and promised that I would upgrade 
*immediately* to FM2017, *paying whatever price*,  if only they would provide 
me with a screen grab that demonstrated that they were at long last telling the 
truth -- that their newest release was indeed compatible with high-density 
screens. When the sales rep was (predictably) nonresponsive, I presumed that 
this meant that they were lying again. -- Now I see, from this thread, that 
unfortunately this was an accurate assessment.

Please pardon me for anger at their disrespect of their customer base -- after 
passing through every release of FrameMaker since long before Adobe acquired 
it, I am 79 now, and my eyes have become my severe limiting condition.

Austin Meredith, kou...@kouroo.info
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Re: [Framers] Font size in marker windows, in FM2017

[kou...@kouroo.info]

>  The font size of the marker window is the same in 2017 as it is in earlier 
> versions. 
> So you will be very disappointed (and upset) if you upgrade to 2017 and expect
> a larger font in the marker window.

When Adobe released FM2017, they claimed to have finally made it compatible 
with high-density screens, but I noticed that their screen grabs did not 
include any demonstration of this. Since I suspected that they were merely 
lying again, I contacted a sales rep and promised that I would upgrade 
*immediately* to FM2017, *paying whatever price*,  if only they would provide 
me with a screen grab that demonstrated that they were at long last telling the 
truth -- that their newest release was indeed compatible with high-density 
screens. When the sales rep was (predictably) nonresponsive, I presumed that 
this meant that they were lying again. -- Now I see, from this thread, that 
unfortunately this was an accurate assessment.

Please pardon me for anger at their disrespect of their customer base -- after 
passing through every release of FrameMaker since long before Adobe acquired 
it, I am 79 now, and my eyes have become my severe limiting condition.

Austin Meredith, kou...@kouroo.info
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Re: [Framers] PDFs in a FM book file

[Lin Sims]

Dave,

If you want to create forms and other things in Frame for output to PDF,
check out Shlomo Perets' Microtypes website. His TimeSavers tools  insert
postscript code into Frame files to do things like create dynamic forms.

http://microtype.com/showcase.html

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 3:52 PM, David Artman  wrote:

>You can use Acrobat Pro to append a PDF file to another PDF file, in
>whole or in part, and (IIRC) at any location using Document > Insert
>Pages.
>
>Yes, this adds a step (or more!) to workflow. Yes, the inserted PDF
>will have its own footers, etc; and thus, you might have to do some
>fancy footwork with page numbering in the two source files to get it
>all to align. Yes, any other autonumbering will be similarly
>problematic, requiring you to force it to start with a specific value
>(e.g., n=25). But you'll have a PDF "in" another PDF.
>
>As for "is [it] recommended", I think it's a good practice if you get
>content from a business partner, legal, or some other entity that would
>not want you to have any chance of editing it. (Hmm... but such a
>locked-down PDF might not be appendable, in part or in whole, to
>another one? And you can always use Advanced Text Tools on unlocked
>PDFs, so maybe this use case ISN'T a good one! You'd probably have to
>insert into FrameMaker as full-page "images" if locked down.)
>
>OK, another use case is a PDF created in another editor, for example a
>dynamic form made in LiveCycle Designer. VERY hard to do such things in
>FrameMaker, but easy in LCD. I've never tried that workflow, but it
>seems kosher.
>
>Finally, you could have an 'example' PDF that is a sample of output
>resulting from a process that is documented in the earlier PDF. That
>would avoid you having to setup several master pages in the same book
>to show the variations. OR, if you are, say, making a training manual
>for using your publishing environment, and you want to show a sample of
>all the output types, but Help won't append: make the Help output save
>as PDF and then append tot he "how to" main PDF:
>
>* How To Run Output (1 PDF with 'internal style')
>
>** PDF Output Example (1 PDF of single-sourced sample book with
>'external style')
>
>** Help Output Example (1 PDF of single-sourced sample book rendered as
>Help then exported/saved as PDF)
>
>** (etc.)
>
>So, sure! It's recommended in cases where sourcing everything in
>FrameMaker is impossible, too time consuming, or a poor content-reuse
>scenario. Hope this helps;
>
>David
>
> Original Message 
>Subject: [Framers] PDFs in a FM book file
>From: lklane64 <[1]lklan...@gmail.com>
>Date: Fri, March 17, 2017 9:35 am
>To: [2]framers@lists.frameusers.com
>I was wondering if anyone answered the question about adding PDFs to a
>FM book file.  Does anyone know if this is possible or even
>recommended?
>Thanks in advance,Laura
>
> References
>
>1. mailto:lklan...@gmail.com
>2. mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
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Re: [Framers] PDFs in a FM book file

[David Artman]

   You can use Acrobat Pro to append a PDF file to another PDF file, in
   whole or in part, and (IIRC) at any location using Document > Insert
   Pages.

   Yes, this adds a step (or more!) to workflow. Yes, the inserted PDF
   will have its own footers, etc; and thus, you might have to do some
   fancy footwork with page numbering in the two source files to get it
   all to align. Yes, any other autonumbering will be similarly
   problematic, requiring you to force it to start with a specific value
   (e.g., n=25). But you'll have a PDF "in" another PDF.

   As for "is [it] recommended", I think it's a good practice if you get
   content from a business partner, legal, or some other entity that would
   not want you to have any chance of editing it. (Hmm... but such a
   locked-down PDF might not be appendable, in part or in whole, to
   another one? And you can always use Advanced Text Tools on unlocked
   PDFs, so maybe this use case ISN'T a good one! You'd probably have to
   insert into FrameMaker as full-page "images" if locked down.)

   OK, another use case is a PDF created in another editor, for example a
   dynamic form made in LiveCycle Designer. VERY hard to do such things in
   FrameMaker, but easy in LCD. I've never tried that workflow, but it
   seems kosher.

   Finally, you could have an 'example' PDF that is a sample of output
   resulting from a process that is documented in the earlier PDF. That
   would avoid you having to setup several master pages in the same book
   to show the variations. OR, if you are, say, making a training manual
   for using your publishing environment, and you want to show a sample of
   all the output types, but Help won't append: make the Help output save
   as PDF and then append tot he "how to" main PDF:

   * How To Run Output (1 PDF with 'internal style')

   ** PDF Output Example (1 PDF of single-sourced sample book with
   'external style')

   ** Help Output Example (1 PDF of single-sourced sample book rendered as
   Help then exported/saved as PDF)

   ** (etc.)

   So, sure! It's recommended in cases where sourcing everything in
   FrameMaker is impossible, too time consuming, or a poor content-reuse
   scenario. Hope this helps;

   David

    Original Message 
   Subject: [Framers] PDFs in a FM book file
   From: lklane64 <[1]lklan...@gmail.com>
   Date: Fri, March 17, 2017 9:35 am
   To: [2]framers@lists.frameusers.com
   I was wondering if anyone answered the question about adding PDFs to a
   FM book file.  Does anyone know if this is possible or even
   recommended?
   Thanks in advance,Laura

References

   1. mailto:lklan...@gmail.com
   2. mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
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Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

[Stefan Gentz]

Dear Alison,

I'm so sorry, if you felt that my original mail was offensive to you. That's 
not at all what I wanted! When I was writing about a "young and fresh team full 
of energy" I did not in any way wanted to imply anything negative about older 
people. Not at all!

Let me explain where I was coming from, please: I know the product and all 
these complaints since 20 years - 19 years before I started at Adobe. And I did 
the same complaints than many other here. And why did I do this? Because I made 
the same experiences and got frustrated from time to time as well. And you know 
what? Personally I think it was very valid to criticize a lot of things and it 
was often very legitimate.

But things have changed. The Adobe TechComm team that I know today has a very 
customer focused, open and listening attitude. We want your feedback, we want 
your bug reports and we want to fix them. We even go out and actively "hunt for 
bugs" in forums and with customers, and we want to improve the product, and we 
want to and we do solve old, long outstanding bugs and problems. This is true 
for the support team, true for the engineering team and true for all other of 
my colleagues in the Adobe TechComm team.

And yes, I do think it's sometimes good to let history be history. That does 
not mean forgetting and that does not mean ignoring history. Yes, I absolutely 
agree with you that we do need to learn from history to make the future better. 
And, believe me – as a German I grew up with that attitude my whole life. It's 
so to say deep in my DNA. But sometimes it's also good to accept that things 
change: Life, business, colleagues, friends etc. – and then move forward, focus 
on the future, take a new look at things, realistically review the status quo 
and compare it with the past. And sometimes it's also a good idea to accept 
that people, products and companies can and do change their attitudes and are 
doing better.

By the way, Adobe is one of the best employers worldwide, and gets the best 
rankings from their employees year after year, and Adobe is treating their 
employees very well in many aspects and has a great culture of diversity, 
equality, respect and creativity. I'm not aware of anyone in my team who what 
not sign that immediately. And maybe that's why we are "fresh and with a lot of 
energy". Young is relative (I'm 41 "only"? "already"?). And maybe it's more 
about staying "young" in the mind and an attitude. So yes, we are a "young" 
team, with many fresh and good ideas, full of innovation, energized to solve 
old problems and come up with great new solutions.
There are of course people in the team who are in the team for many years. But 
for a product that has a 30 years history, it's normal in the IT world that 
teams change. People join and leave over the years. That has nothing to do with 
"bad treatment" or anything negative you might want to want to imply. It's just 
normal life.

That said, sorry, if you felt that my original mail was offensive to you. 
That's not at all what I wanted.
So, and now I will open a ticket in our system for implementing something that 
Rick Quatro had send me earlier today. Another of those "old" (may I?), long 
pending request :-)
 
Regards,
Stefan Gentz
Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist

 

-Original Message-
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Craig, Alison
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 19:28
To: Peter Gold ; An email list for people using 
Adobe FrameMaker software. 
Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to 
menu icons

I’m sorry but this is offensive to me on so many levels – possibly others as 
well. And it’s indicative of too many players in the software world these days.
>> And? History is history! More or less no one from the old FrameMaker days is 
>> in the FrameMaker team today. Product Managers, engineers, QA, etc. – the 
>> whole team is pretty young and fresh. And with a lot of energy.
History isn’t just history. Remember "those who do not learn history are doomed 
to repeat it" which means you make the same mistakes over and over. Sound 
familiar when taken in context with some of the comments in this thread?
It’s not an accomplishment to say “More or less no one from the old FrameMaker 
days is in the FrameMaker team today”. That’s a sad commentary on the way Adobe 
(among others) does business and how it treats its employees.
And “young and fresh…with a lot of energy” in this context is nothing to brag 
about. It implies that older, experienced personnel just drag down the team..
“Tried and true” can be better for *good* reason. I’ve personally seen “young 
and fresh” team members push for something that’s long since been rejected by 
users as the opposite of what’s actually needed or even worse, completely 
useless. But hey, it’s cute and/or trendy! And isn’t that what counts?

Re: [Framers] using variables

[Peter Gold]

I'm just working from personal memory, so this could just be wishful
thinking.

It might be possible to create the behavior by using a dedicated run-in
autonumbered paragraph format, in combination with a cross-reference, in
the table title or in a heading or footing row to emulate the current table
sheet number, and the last table sheet number.

I'm thinking that this somewhat like the technique of capturing the last
page number of the last page in a book of separate files, by using a
cross-reference to overcome the limitation of the $lastpagenum variable
only working within the current document.

I seem to recall, but I could be wrong, that table headers/footers may have
a property to not appear on the first page of the table. If so, this could
be useful.

I'm not sure if an autonumbered paragraph in a table header/footer
increments on pages after the first page.

If the entire document consists only of pages that display the table, other
auto-numbering and cross-reference strategies, and dedicated master-page
designs, may be possible.

HTH

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> Hey Patrick,
>
> As far as I know, there is no way to make a single variable have two
> different values in the same file, and if you insert two separate variables
> in a table title, they'll both show up for every page that title is
> displayed on.
>
> Some of the scripters might have a different answer for you. :)
>
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Barlow, Patrick N <
> patrick.n.bar...@boeing.com> wrote:
>
> > I have a document that contains a table that spans 264 pages. We need to
> > number each page with a sheet number. Table 1 (Sheet 1 of 264) on the
> first
> > page and each subsequent page will just contain the sheet number. Table 1
> > (sheet 2) and so on. I'm trying to use a variable that can be inserted
> > after the table number inside of the title. Variable Table Sheet  (Sheet
> > <$tblsheetnum> of <$tblsheetcount>) will be the first page, second and
> > subsequent pages will use (Sheet <$tblsheetnum>). Since I have to insert
> > the variable on the title I can only insert it on the first page, which
> > prevents me from using two different variables.
> >
> > I'm not sure how to create a variable to output one value on the first
> > page then something different on subsequent pages. We have a table
> > continued attribute that is inserted on the table title but does not
> > display until after the first page. I'm not sure how that works, but it
> is
> > similar to what I need to in this case. Any assistance will be greatly
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Pat
> >
> > Patrick N Barlow
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Re: [Framers] using variables

[Scott Prentice]

Yes .. by definition, a single variable in a single file cannot have 
more than one value based on its location in the document (unless it's a 
special variable like $curpagenum). However, you could create a script 
or plugin that could process a file to create different variables or 
strings from one variable that would have differing values in different 
areas of that document.


...scott


On 3/20/17 12:05 PM, Lin Sims wrote:

Hey Patrick,

As far as I know, there is no way to make a single variable have two
different values in the same file, and if you insert two separate variables
in a table title, they'll both show up for every page that title is
displayed on.

Some of the scripters might have a different answer for you. :)

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Barlow, Patrick N <
patrick.n.bar...@boeing.com> wrote:


I have a document that contains a table that spans 264 pages. We need to
number each page with a sheet number. Table 1 (Sheet 1 of 264) on the first
page and each subsequent page will just contain the sheet number. Table 1
(sheet 2) and so on. I'm trying to use a variable that can be inserted
after the table number inside of the title. Variable Table Sheet  (Sheet
<$tblsheetnum> of <$tblsheetcount>) will be the first page, second and
subsequent pages will use (Sheet <$tblsheetnum>). Since I have to insert
the variable on the title I can only insert it on the first page, which
prevents me from using two different variables.

I'm not sure how to create a variable to output one value on the first
page then something different on subsequent pages. We have a table
continued attribute that is inserted on the table title but does not
display until after the first page. I'm not sure how that works, but it is
similar to what I need to in this case. Any assistance will be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,

Pat

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Technology Group
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Re: [Framers] using variables

[Lin Sims]

Hey Patrick,

As far as I know, there is no way to make a single variable have two
different values in the same file, and if you insert two separate variables
in a table title, they'll both show up for every page that title is
displayed on.

Some of the scripters might have a different answer for you. :)

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Barlow, Patrick N <
patrick.n.bar...@boeing.com> wrote:

> I have a document that contains a table that spans 264 pages. We need to
> number each page with a sheet number. Table 1 (Sheet 1 of 264) on the first
> page and each subsequent page will just contain the sheet number. Table 1
> (sheet 2) and so on. I'm trying to use a variable that can be inserted
> after the table number inside of the title. Variable Table Sheet  (Sheet
> <$tblsheetnum> of <$tblsheetcount>) will be the first page, second and
> subsequent pages will use (Sheet <$tblsheetnum>). Since I have to insert
> the variable on the title I can only insert it on the first page, which
> prevents me from using two different variables.
>
> I'm not sure how to create a variable to output one value on the first
> page then something different on subsequent pages. We have a table
> continued attribute that is inserted on the table title but does not
> display until after the first page. I'm not sure how that works, but it is
> similar to what I need to in this case. Any assistance will be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pat
>
> Patrick N Barlow
> Technical Publications
> Technology Group
> (405) 458-6641
>
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Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

[Craig, Alison]

But there does seem to be a difference in the font tracking/kerning - and it's 
much more readable in the 2015 version.

Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Specialist
BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com

From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 9:05 AM
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

OK, this makes more sense. If you have a 4K screen, then you will definitely
see a difference between 2015 and 2017. But the way I read Dave's original
post, this isn't the issue he is referring to. He considers the text in the
2015 Marker pod to be too small and it's not because he is using a 4K
monitor. On other non-high resolution monitors, he will see no size
difference between 2015 and 2017.

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Houser
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 11:54 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

Here's a comparison of Marker dialogs in FM2015 and FM2017 at default size
on a 4k monitor. My results are similar to Stefan's. Pixel real-estate of
this and similar dialogs is increased by 4x in FM2017.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17580102/IndexMarker_FM2015-FM2017.png

-Alan


On 3/20/17 11:29 AM, Scott Prentice wrote:
> I think that the big changes are only apparent for those with high-res
> screens. Would be interesting to see a side-by-side from someone with
> a 4k. Perhaps that's what Stefan's screenshots came from.
>
>
> On 3/20/17 8:02 AM, Rick Quatro wrote:
>> That is interesting. The font used on the 2015 side actually looks a
>> little more "editing-friendly."
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Framers
>> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On
>> Behalf Of Scott Prentice
>> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 10:46 AM
>> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)
>>
>> Interesting. On my 15" screen, here's what I see ..
>>
>> http://leximation.com/outbox/fm13-14-marker-dialog.png
>>
>> Since both pods/panels/dialogs are resizable, I've made them both as
>> small as possible. The FM2017 text is slightly taller but narrower.
>>
>> Perhaps the text size or font changes with screen size or resolution?
>>
>> ...scott
>>
>>
>> On 3/20/17 6:57 AM, Rick Quatro wrote:
>>> Here is how it looks on my 22" monitor. The 2015 pod is on the left
>>> and the
>>> 2017 pod is on the right. The 2017 pod is bigger but the text is not.
>>>
>>> http://www.rickquatro.com/resources/2015_2017.png
>>>
>>> Rick Quatro
>>> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>>> r...@frameexpert.com
>>> 585-366-4017
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Framers
>>> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Stefan Gentz
>>> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 9:42 AM
>>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
>>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)
>>>
>>> Seems, the formatting and screenshot got lost.
>>>
>>> You can see the side by side comparison of the (index) marker dialog
>>> in FM
>>> 2015 and 2017 here:
>>>
>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/marker-dialog-fm2015-vs-2017
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Stefan Gentz
>>> Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
>>> Connect with us:
>>> Facebook | Twitter | LinkedIn | YouTube | Our Blog | Adobe
>>> TCS User Forum

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Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

[Scott Turner]

As an example, one only has to look at the kludge that Microsoft made of Word. 
It is not as easy to do perform certain function or to access features. New and 
fresh can be simply, "we needed to justify getting more money from our users."

> On Mar 20, 2017, at 13:27, Craig, Alison  wrote:
> 
> I’m sorry but this is offensive to me on so many levels – possibly others as 
> well. And it’s indicative of too many players in the software world these 
> days.
>>> And? History is history! More or less no one from the old FrameMaker days 
>>> is in the FrameMaker team today. Product Managers, engineers, QA, etc. – 
>>> the whole team is pretty young and fresh. And with a lot of energy.
> History isn’t just history. Remember "those who do not learn history are 
> doomed to repeat it" which means you make the same mistakes over and over. 
> Sound familiar when taken in context with some of the comments in this thread?
> It’s not an accomplishment to say “More or less no one from the old 
> FrameMaker days is in the FrameMaker team today”. That’s a sad commentary on 
> the way Adobe (among others) does business and how it treats its employees.
> And “young and fresh…with a lot of energy” in this context is nothing to brag 
> about. It implies that older, experienced personnel just drag down the team..
> “Tried and true” can be better for *good* reason. I’ve personally seen “young 
> and fresh” team members push for something that’s long since been rejected by 
> users as the opposite of what’s actually needed or even worse, completely 
> useless. But hey, it’s cute and/or trendy! And isn’t that what counts?
> Experienced team members with an ingrained history of the program’s 
> development arc can steer the team away from revisiting *proven* bad ideas 
> and the more obvious *silly* ones. Of course, that’s only if they have the 
> stamina and energy to get out bed every morning and make it to work at all, 
> let alone on time.
> Alison Craig
> Technical Documentation Specialist
> BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com
> 
> From: Framers 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Stefan Gentz
> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 4:25 AM
> To: Peter Gold
> Cc: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to 
> menu icons
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> my history with FrameMaker might be short and small compared to yours (I have 
> only about 20 years of FrameMaker history on my shoulders, only something 
> like +50,000 hours of working with FM, and only several million pages proc

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Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

[Craig, Alison]

I’m sorry but this is offensive to me on so many levels – possibly others as 
well. And it’s indicative of too many players in the software world these days.
>> And? History is history! More or less no one from the old FrameMaker days is 
>> in the FrameMaker team today. Product Managers, engineers, QA, etc. – the 
>> whole team is pretty young and fresh. And with a lot of energy.
History isn’t just history. Remember "those who do not learn history are doomed 
to repeat it" which means you make the same mistakes over and over. Sound 
familiar when taken in context with some of the comments in this thread?
It’s not an accomplishment to say “More or less no one from the old FrameMaker 
days is in the FrameMaker team today”. That’s a sad commentary on the way Adobe 
(among others) does business and how it treats its employees.
And “young and fresh…with a lot of energy” in this context is nothing to brag 
about. It implies that older, experienced personnel just drag down the team..
“Tried and true” can be better for *good* reason. I’ve personally seen “young 
and fresh” team members push for something that’s long since been rejected by 
users as the opposite of what’s actually needed or even worse, completely 
useless. But hey, it’s cute and/or trendy! And isn’t that what counts?
Experienced team members with an ingrained history of the program’s development 
arc can steer the team away from revisiting *proven* bad ideas and the more 
obvious *silly* ones. Of course, that’s only if they have the stamina and 
energy to get out bed every morning and make it to work at all, let alone on 
time.
Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Specialist
BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com

From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Stefan Gentz
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 4:25 AM
To: Peter Gold
Cc: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to 
menu icons

Hi Peter,

my history with FrameMaker might be short and small compared to yours (I have 
only about 20 years of FrameMaker history on my shoulders, only something like 
+50,000 hours of working with FM, and only several million pages processed for 
all kind of companies from very small to super big in only up to 60 languages 
in both unstructured and structured FrameMaker). But I know many of the fights 
you fought as well and understand very well where you are coming from.

I remember very well the time when I modified the fmdlg.dll in the late 90ies 
and early two thousands to make several dialogs bigger (especially the xref 
dialog). Or how I hacked the FrameMaker.exe to output unmodified bookmarks code 
into ps and created fmroman to Unicode mapping tables, and hooked them into 
distillers epilog.ps. Or my scripts to do regex-based find & replace in MIF 
source code because the find & replace in FrameMaker was, let’s say: very 
basic. And I remember very well my yearlong fights for Unicode in FrameMaker 
and later on my yearlong fights for Right-To-Left support. I have fought 
countless fights with Adobe for about 20 years, before I finally joined them. 
So, tell me something, Peter …

And? History is history! More or less no one from the old FrameMaker days is in 
the FrameMaker team today. Product Managers, engineers, QA, etc. – the whole 
team is pretty young and fresh. And with a lot of energy. And in the last two 
years only they have tackled hundreds and hundreds of long and outstanding 
community wishes and requirements and many old bugs. Over the last 20 years a 
lot of them had accumulated. And in the last 2 years only, a big bunch of them 
were fixed and delivered. There are still some left and we are already working 
on them. With the soon to come Update 1 for FrameMaker we will fix and deliver 
on the next bunch of some long-time requests and bugs.

Adobe pushed FM development in the last 2 years heavily. The release cycles 
become much shorter and every three months a bigger update with new 
enhancements and bug fixes is rolled out. Our list of community wished is 
getting shorter every day and we have already started on tackling several other 
bigger areas of improvement.

Maybe it’s time, Peter, to adjust your negative picture that you have built 
over the last 20, 30 years.


Regards,
Stefan Gentz
Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
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Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

[Rick Quatro]

OK, this makes more sense. If you have a 4K screen, then you will definitely
see a difference between 2015 and 2017. But the way I read Dave's original
post, this isn't the issue he is referring to. He considers the text in the
2015 Marker pod to be too small and it's not because he is using a 4K
monitor. On other non-high resolution monitors, he will see no size
difference between 2015 and 2017.

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Houser
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 11:54 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

Here's a comparison of Marker dialogs in FM2015 and FM2017 at default size
on a 4k monitor. My results are similar to Stefan's. Pixel real-estate of
this and similar dialogs is increased by 4x in FM2017.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17580102/IndexMarker_FM2015-FM2017.png

-Alan


On 3/20/17 11:29 AM, Scott Prentice wrote:
> I think that the big changes are only apparent for those with high-res 
> screens. Would be interesting to see a side-by-side from someone with 
> a 4k. Perhaps that's what Stefan's screenshots came from.
>
>
> On 3/20/17 8:02 AM, Rick Quatro wrote:
>> That is interesting. The font used on the 2015 side actually looks a 
>> little more "editing-friendly."
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Framers
>> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Scott Prentice
>> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 10:46 AM
>> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)
>>
>> Interesting. On my 15" screen, here's what I see ..
>>
>>   http://leximation.com/outbox/fm13-14-marker-dialog.png
>>
>> Since both pods/panels/dialogs are resizable, I've made them both as 
>> small as possible. The FM2017 text is slightly taller but narrower.
>>
>> Perhaps the text size or font changes with screen size or resolution?
>>
>> ...scott
>>
>>
>> On 3/20/17 6:57 AM, Rick Quatro wrote:
>>> Here is how it looks on my 22" monitor. The 2015 pod is on the left 
>>> and the
>>> 2017 pod is on the right. The 2017 pod is bigger but the text is not.
>>>
>>> http://www.rickquatro.com/resources/2015_2017.png
>>>
>>> Rick Quatro
>>> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>>> r...@frameexpert.com
>>> 585-366-4017
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Framers
>>> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Stefan Gentz
>>> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 9:42 AM
>>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
>>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)
>>>
>>> Seems, the formatting and screenshot got lost.
>>>
>>> You can see the side by side comparison of the (index) marker dialog 
>>> in FM
>>> 2015 and 2017 here:
>>>
>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/marker-dialog-fm2015-vs-2017
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>> Stefan Gentz
>>> Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
>>> Connect with us:
>>>Facebook |  Twitter |  LinkedIn |  YouTube |  Our Blog | Adobe 
>>> TCS User Forum

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Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

[Alan Houser]

Here's a comparison of Marker dialogs in FM2015 and FM2017 at default 
size on a 4k monitor. My results are similar to Stefan's. Pixel 
real-estate of this and similar dialogs is increased by 4x in FM2017.


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17580102/IndexMarker_FM2015-FM2017.png

-Alan


On 3/20/17 11:29 AM, Scott Prentice wrote:
I think that the big changes are only apparent for those with high-res 
screens. Would be interesting to see a side-by-side from someone with 
a 4k. Perhaps that's what Stefan's screenshots came from.



On 3/20/17 8:02 AM, Rick Quatro wrote:
That is interesting. The font used on the 2015 side actually looks a 
little

more "editing-friendly."

-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf

Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 10:46 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

Interesting. On my 15" screen, here's what I see ..

  http://leximation.com/outbox/fm13-14-marker-dialog.png

Since both pods/panels/dialogs are resizable, I've made them both as 
small

as possible. The FM2017 text is slightly taller but narrower.

Perhaps the text size or font changes with screen size or resolution?

...scott


On 3/20/17 6:57 AM, Rick Quatro wrote:

Here is how it looks on my 22" monitor. The 2015 pod is on the left
and the
2017 pod is on the right. The 2017 pod is bigger but the text is not.

http://www.rickquatro.com/resources/2015_2017.png

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-366-4017




-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Stefan Gentz
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 9:42 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

Seems, the formatting and screenshot got lost.

You can see the side by side comparison of the (index) marker dialog
in FM
2015 and 2017 here:

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/marker-dialog-fm2015-vs-2017

   Regards,
Stefan Gentz
Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
Connect with us:
   Facebook |  Twitter |  LinkedIn |  YouTube |  Our Blog | Adobe TCS
User Forum


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Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

[Scott Prentice]

I think that the big changes are only apparent for those with high-res 
screens. Would be interesting to see a side-by-side from someone with a 
4k. Perhaps that's what Stefan's screenshots came from.



On 3/20/17 8:02 AM, Rick Quatro wrote:

That is interesting. The font used on the 2015 side actually looks a little
more "editing-friendly."

-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 10:46 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

Interesting. On my 15" screen, here's what I see ..

  http://leximation.com/outbox/fm13-14-marker-dialog.png

Since both pods/panels/dialogs are resizable, I've made them both as small
as possible. The FM2017 text is slightly taller but narrower.

Perhaps the text size or font changes with screen size or resolution?

...scott


On 3/20/17 6:57 AM, Rick Quatro wrote:

Here is how it looks on my 22" monitor. The 2015 pod is on the left
and the
2017 pod is on the right. The 2017 pod is bigger but the text is not.

http://www.rickquatro.com/resources/2015_2017.png

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-366-4017




-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Stefan Gentz
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 9:42 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

Seems, the formatting and screenshot got lost.

You can see the side by side comparison of the (index) marker dialog
in FM
2015 and 2017 here:

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/marker-dialog-fm2015-vs-2017

   
Regards,

Stefan Gentz
Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist

Connect with us:

   Facebook |  Twitter |  LinkedIn |  YouTube |  Our Blog |  Adobe TCS
User Forum
   


-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Stefan Gentz
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 14:37
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

Just to give a side by side example:



[cid:image001.png@01D2A187.7C2EE270]





Regards,

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Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist



Connect with us:

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User Forum





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From: Stefan Gentz
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 14:33
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'

Subject: RE: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)



No, what I said is, that we have changed the index marker pod in FM
2017. It is NOT the same as the one in FM 2015.

The font size is the same now as in all other dialogs where you have
editable text. It's not the same small size as in FM 2015 anymore.





Regards,

Stefan Gentz

Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist





-Original Message-

From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Rick Quatro

Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 14:02

To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'


Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)



Wait, don't misunderstand what Stefan is saying. The font size of the
marker window is the same in 2017 as it is in earlier versions. So you
will be very disappointed (and upset) if you upgrade to 2017 and
expect a larger font in the marker window.



-Original Message-

From: Framers

[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Stamm, David

Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 8:36 AM

To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)



2017-03-20-01T12:35Z



Stefan -



Thanks for this update.  Unfortunately, I have no idea whether (and if
so,

when) I will get FrameMaker 2017 Release.  I guess that the change you
reported is something I'll just have to look forward to.



Regards,

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer



-Original Message-

From: Framers

[mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms@lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Stefan Gentz

Sent: 2017-03-19-Sunday 09:39

To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Subject: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)



Hi



In the last days there was some discussion about them index marker
text window.



David Stamm had file this in as an enhancement request:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftrack
er.ado
be.com%2F%23%2Fview%2FFRMAKER-2451=02%7C01%7C%7C0acefd5e491145419
edf08d
46f916218%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636256117585634
345
ata=TOtaFEaHwlADwUVwiS4NBDH2n%2BTQhzTnQLb5z9kLP9s%3D=0



The marker 

Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

[Rick Quatro]

That is interesting. The font used on the 2015 side actually looks a little
more "editing-friendly."

-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 10:46 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

Interesting. On my 15" screen, here's what I see ..

 http://leximation.com/outbox/fm13-14-marker-dialog.png

Since both pods/panels/dialogs are resizable, I've made them both as small
as possible. The FM2017 text is slightly taller but narrower.

Perhaps the text size or font changes with screen size or resolution?

...scott


On 3/20/17 6:57 AM, Rick Quatro wrote:
> Here is how it looks on my 22" monitor. The 2015 pod is on the left 
> and the
> 2017 pod is on the right. The 2017 pod is bigger but the text is not.
>
> http://www.rickquatro.com/resources/2015_2017.png
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 585-366-4017
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Stefan Gentz
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 9:42 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)
>
> Seems, the formatting and screenshot got lost.
>
> You can see the side by side comparison of the (index) marker dialog 
> in FM
> 2015 and 2017 here:
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/marker-dialog-fm2015-vs-2017
>
>   
> Regards,
> Stefan Gentz
> Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
>
> Connect with us:
>   Facebook |  Twitter |  LinkedIn |  YouTube |  Our Blog |  Adobe TCS 
> User Forum
>   
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com]
> On Behalf Of Stefan Gentz
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 14:37
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)
>
> Just to give a side by side example:
>
>
>
> [cid:image001.png@01D2A187.7C2EE270]
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Stefan Gentz
>
> Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
>
>
>
> Connect with us:
>
>   Facebook |  Twitter |  LinkedIn |  YouTube |  Our Blog |  Adobe TCS 
> User Forum
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stefan Gentz
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 14:33
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
> 
> Subject: RE: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)
>
>
>
> No, what I said is, that we have changed the index marker pod in FM 
> 2017. It is NOT the same as the one in FM 2015.
>
> The font size is the same now as in all other dialogs where you have 
> editable text. It's not the same small size as in FM 2015 anymore.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Stefan Gentz
>
> Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Framers 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com]
> On Behalf Of Rick Quatro
>
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 14:02
>
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
> 
>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)
>
>
>
> Wait, don't misunderstand what Stefan is saying. The font size of the 
> marker window is the same in 2017 as it is in earlier versions. So you 
> will be very disappointed (and upset) if you upgrade to 2017 and 
> expect a larger font in the marker window.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Framers
>
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Stamm, David
>
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 8:36 AM
>
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)
>
>
>
> 2017-03-20-01T12:35Z
>
>
>
> Stefan -
>
>
>
> Thanks for this update.  Unfortunately, I have no idea whether (and if 
> so,
>
> when) I will get FrameMaker 2017 Release.  I guess that the change you 
> reported is something I'll just have to look forward to.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Stamm
>
> Information Engineer
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Framers
>
> [mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Stefan Gentz
>
> Sent: 2017-03-19-Sunday 09:39
>
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>
> Subject: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)
>
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> In the last days there was some discussion about them index marker 
> text window.
>
>
>
> David Stamm had file this in as an enhancement request:
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftrack
> er.ado 
> be.com%2F%23%2Fview%2FFRMAKER-2451=02%7C01%7C%7C0acefd5e491145419
> edf08d 
> 46f916218%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636256117585634
> 345
> 

Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

[Scott Prentice]

Interesting. On my 15" screen, here's what I see ..

http://leximation.com/outbox/fm13-14-marker-dialog.png

Since both pods/panels/dialogs are resizable, I've made them both as 
small as possible. The FM2017 text is slightly taller but narrower.


Perhaps the text size or font changes with screen size or resolution?

...scott


On 3/20/17 6:57 AM, Rick Quatro wrote:

Here is how it looks on my 22" monitor. The 2015 pod is on the left and the
2017 pod is on the right. The 2017 pod is bigger but the text is not.

http://www.rickquatro.com/resources/2015_2017.png

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-366-4017




-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Stefan Gentz
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 9:42 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

Seems, the formatting and screenshot got lost.

You can see the side by side comparison of the (index) marker dialog in FM
2015 and 2017 here:

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/marker-dialog-fm2015-vs-2017

  
Regards,

Stefan Gentz
Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
   
Connect with us:

  Facebook |  Twitter |  LinkedIn |  YouTube |  Our Blog |  Adobe TCS User
Forum
  


-Original Message-
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Stefan Gentz
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 14:37
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

Just to give a side by side example:



[cid:image001.png@01D2A187.7C2EE270]





Regards,

Stefan Gentz

Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist



Connect with us:

  Facebook |  Twitter |  LinkedIn |  YouTube |  Our Blog |  Adobe TCS User
Forum





-Original Message-
From: Stefan Gentz
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 14:33
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'

Subject: RE: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)



No, what I said is, that we have changed the index marker pod in FM 2017. It
is NOT the same as the one in FM 2015.

The font size is the same now as in all other dialogs where you have
editable text. It's not the same small size as in FM 2015 anymore.





Regards,

Stefan Gentz

Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist





-Original Message-

From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Rick Quatro

Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 14:02

To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'


Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)



Wait, don't misunderstand what Stefan is saying. The font size of the marker
window is the same in 2017 as it is in earlier versions. So you will be very
disappointed (and upset) if you upgrade to 2017 and expect a larger font in
the marker window.



-Original Message-

From: Framers

[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Stamm, David

Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 8:36 AM

To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)



2017-03-20-01T12:35Z



Stefan -



Thanks for this update.  Unfortunately, I have no idea whether (and if so,

when) I will get FrameMaker 2017 Release.  I guess that the change you
reported is something I'll just have to look forward to.



Regards,

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer



-Original Message-

From: Framers

[mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms@lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Stefan Gentz

Sent: 2017-03-19-Sunday 09:39

To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Subject: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)



Hi



In the last days there was some discussion about them index marker text
window.



David Stamm had file this in as an enhancement request:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftracker.ado
be.com%2F%23%2Fview%2FFRMAKER-2451=02%7C01%7C%7C0acefd5e491145419edf08d
46f916218%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636256117585634345
ata=TOtaFEaHwlADwUVwiS4NBDH2n%2BTQhzTnQLb5z9kLP9s%3D=0



The marker window has changed in FM 2017 and is no in the same look and feel
like other pods. Also the font size is the same as in the text field of all
other dialogs:



[cid:image025.jpg@01D2A0BE.831E09E0]





In FrameMaker 2015 there was a different marker pod based on a different
technology.



@all: Please give me feedback, on what is different in the index marker
window for you that does make it more difficult to work with text in index
markers compared with other markers or text in other dialogs / pods.





Regards,

Stefan Gentz

Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist

[Adobe]  [Adobe TCS Icon]

Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Factor in screen resolutions as well. Then consider what "percent" your
Windows world is set to use. That may impact the comparison as well.

Bernard


-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 10:46 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

Interesting. On my 15" screen, here's what I see ..

 http://leximation.com/outbox/fm13-14-marker-dialog.png

Since both pods/panels/dialogs are resizable, I've made them both as small
as possible. The FM2017 text is slightly taller but narrower.

Perhaps the text size or font changes with screen size or resolution?

...scott


On 3/20/17 6:57 AM, Rick Quatro wrote:
> Here is how it looks on my 22" monitor. The 2015 pod is on the left 
> and the
> 2017 pod is on the right. The 2017 pod is bigger but the text is not.
>
> http://www.rickquatro.com/resources/2015_2017.png
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 585-366-4017
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Stefan Gentz
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 9:42 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)
>
> Seems, the formatting and screenshot got lost.
>
> You can see the side by side comparison of the (index) marker dialog 
> in FM
> 2015 and 2017 here:
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/marker-dialog-fm2015-vs-2017
>
>   
> Regards,
> Stefan Gentz
> Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
>
> Connect with us:
>   Facebook |  Twitter |  LinkedIn |  YouTube |  Our Blog |  Adobe TCS 
> User Forum
>   
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com]
> On Behalf Of Stefan Gentz
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 14:37
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)
>
> Just to give a side by side example:
>
>
>
> [cid:image001.png@01D2A187.7C2EE270]
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Stefan Gentz
>
> Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
>
>
>
> Connect with us:
>
>   Facebook |  Twitter |  LinkedIn |  YouTube |  Our Blog |  Adobe TCS 
> User Forum
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stefan Gentz
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 14:33
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
> 
> Subject: RE: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)
>
>
>
> No, what I said is, that we have changed the index marker pod in FM 
> 2017. It is NOT the same as the one in FM 2015.
>
> The font size is the same now as in all other dialogs where you have 
> editable text. It's not the same small size as in FM 2015 anymore.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Stefan Gentz
>
> Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Framers 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com]
> On Behalf Of Rick Quatro
>
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 14:02
>
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
> 
>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)
>
>
>
> Wait, don't misunderstand what Stefan is saying. The font size of the 
> marker window is the same in 2017 as it is in earlier versions. So you 
> will be very disappointed (and upset) if you upgrade to 2017 and 
> expect a larger font in the marker window.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Framers
>
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Stamm, David
>
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 8:36 AM
>
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)
>
>
>
> 2017-03-20-01T12:35Z
>
>
>
> Stefan -
>
>
>
> Thanks for this update.  Unfortunately, I have no idea whether (and if 
> so,
>
> when) I will get FrameMaker 2017 Release.  I guess that the change you 
> reported is something I'll just have to look forward to.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Stamm
>
> Information Engineer
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Framers
>
> [mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Stefan Gentz
>
> Sent: 2017-03-19-Sunday 09:39
>
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>
> Subject: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)
>
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> In the last days there was some discussion about them index marker 
> text window.
>
>
>
> David Stamm had file this in as an enhancement request:
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftrack
> er.ado 
> be.com%2F%23%2Fview%2FFRMAKER-2451=02%7C01%7C%7C0acefd5e491145419
> edf08d 
> 

[Framers] using variables

[Barlow, Patrick N]

I have a document that contains a table that spans 264 pages. We need to number 
each page with a sheet number. Table 1 (Sheet 1 of 264) on the first page and 
each subsequent page will just contain the sheet number. Table 1 (sheet 2) and 
so on. I'm trying to use a variable that can be inserted after the table number 
inside of the title. Variable Table Sheet  (Sheet <$tblsheetnum> of 
<$tblsheetcount>) will be the first page, second and subsequent pages will use 
(Sheet <$tblsheetnum>). Since I have to insert the variable on the title I can 
only insert it on the first page, which prevents me from using two different 
variables.

I'm not sure how to create a variable to output one value on the first page 
then something different on subsequent pages. We have a table continued 
attribute that is inserted on the table title but does not display until after 
the first page. I'm not sure how that works, but it is similar to what I need 
to in this case. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Pat

Patrick N Barlow
Technical Publications
Technology Group
(405) 458-6641

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Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

[Rick Quatro]

Here is how it looks on my 22" monitor. The 2015 pod is on the left and the
2017 pod is on the right. The 2017 pod is bigger but the text is not.

http://www.rickquatro.com/resources/2015_2017.png

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-366-4017




-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Stefan Gentz
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 9:42 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

Seems, the formatting and screenshot got lost.

You can see the side by side comparison of the (index) marker dialog in FM
2015 and 2017 here:

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/marker-dialog-fm2015-vs-2017

 
Regards,
Stefan Gentz
Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
  
Connect with us:
 Facebook |  Twitter |  LinkedIn |  YouTube |  Our Blog |  Adobe TCS User
Forum
 

-Original Message-
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Stefan Gentz
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 14:37
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

Just to give a side by side example:



[cid:image001.png@01D2A187.7C2EE270]





Regards,

Stefan Gentz

Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist



Connect with us:

 Facebook |  Twitter |  LinkedIn |  YouTube |  Our Blog |  Adobe TCS User
Forum





-Original Message-
From: Stefan Gentz
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 14:33
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'

Subject: RE: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)



No, what I said is, that we have changed the index marker pod in FM 2017. It
is NOT the same as the one in FM 2015.

The font size is the same now as in all other dialogs where you have
editable text. It's not the same small size as in FM 2015 anymore.





Regards,

Stefan Gentz

Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist





-Original Message-

From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Rick Quatro

Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 14:02

To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'


Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)



Wait, don't misunderstand what Stefan is saying. The font size of the marker
window is the same in 2017 as it is in earlier versions. So you will be very
disappointed (and upset) if you upgrade to 2017 and expect a larger font in
the marker window.



-Original Message-

From: Framers

[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Stamm, David

Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 8:36 AM

To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)



2017-03-20-01T12:35Z



Stefan -



Thanks for this update.  Unfortunately, I have no idea whether (and if so,

when) I will get FrameMaker 2017 Release.  I guess that the change you
reported is something I'll just have to look forward to.



Regards,

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer



-Original Message-

From: Framers

[mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms@lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Stefan Gentz

Sent: 2017-03-19-Sunday 09:39

To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Subject: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)



Hi



In the last days there was some discussion about them index marker text
window.



David Stamm had file this in as an enhancement request:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftracker.ado
be.com%2F%23%2Fview%2FFRMAKER-2451=02%7C01%7C%7C0acefd5e491145419edf08d
46f916218%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636256117585634345
ata=TOtaFEaHwlADwUVwiS4NBDH2n%2BTQhzTnQLb5z9kLP9s%3D=0



The marker window has changed in FM 2017 and is no in the same look and feel
like other pods. Also the font size is the same as in the text field of all
other dialogs:



[cid:image025.jpg@01D2A0BE.831E09E0]





In FrameMaker 2015 there was a different marker pod based on a different
technology.



@all: Please give me feedback, on what is different in the index marker
window for you that does make it more difficult to work with text in index
markers compared with other markers or text in other dialogs / pods.





Regards,

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Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

[Stefan Gentz]

Seems, the formatting and screenshot got lost.

You can see the side by side comparison of the (index) marker dialog in FM 2015 
and 2017 here:

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/marker-dialog-fm2015-vs-2017

 
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

Just to give a side by side example:



[cid:image001.png@01D2A187.7C2EE270]





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Subject: RE: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)



No, what I said is, that we have changed the index marker pod in FM 2017. It is 
NOT the same as the one in FM 2015.

The font size is the same now as in all other dialogs where you have editable 
text. It's not the same small size as in FM 2015 anymore.





Regards,

Stefan Gentz

Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist





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Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 14:02

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Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)



Wait, don't misunderstand what Stefan is saying. The font size of the marker 
window is the same in 2017 as it is in earlier versions. So you will be very 
disappointed (and upset) if you upgrade to 2017 and expect a larger font in the 
marker window.



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Stamm, David

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2017-03-20-01T12:35Z



Stefan -



Thanks for this update.  Unfortunately, I have no idea whether (and if so,

when) I will get FrameMaker 2017 Release.  I guess that the change you reported 
is something I'll just have to look forward to.



Regards,

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer



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Subject: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)



Hi



In the last days there was some discussion about them index marker text window.



David Stamm had file this in as an enhancement request:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftracker.adobe.com%2F%23%2Fview%2FFRMAKER-2451=02%7C01%7C%7C0acefd5e491145419edf08d46f916218%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636256117585634345=TOtaFEaHwlADwUVwiS4NBDH2n%2BTQhzTnQLb5z9kLP9s%3D=0



The marker window has changed in FM 2017 and is no in the same look and feel 
like other pods. Also the font size is the same as in the text field of all 
other dialogs:



[cid:image025.jpg@01D2A0BE.831E09E0]





In FrameMaker 2015 there was a different marker pod based on a different 
technology.



@all: Please give me feedback, on what is different in the index marker window 
for you that does make it more difficult to work with text in index markers 
compared with other markers or text in other dialogs / pods.





Regards,

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Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

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No, what I said is, that we have changed the index marker pod in FM 2017. It is 
NOT the same as the one in FM 2015.
The font size is the same now as in all other dialogs where you have editable 
text. It's not the same small size as in FM 2015 anymore.

 
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Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 14:02
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

Wait, don't misunderstand what Stefan is saying. The font size of the marker 
window is the same in 2017 as it is in earlier versions. So you will be very 
disappointed (and upset) if you upgrade to 2017 and expect a larger font in the 
marker window.

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Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

2017-03-20-01T12:35Z

Stefan -

Thanks for this update.  Unfortunately, I have no idea whether (and if so,
when) I will get FrameMaker 2017 Release.  I guess that the change you reported 
is something I'll just have to look forward to.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

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Sent: 2017-03-19-Sunday 09:39
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Subject: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

Hi

In the last days there was some discussion about them index marker text window.

David Stamm had file this in as an enhancement request:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftracker.adobe.com%2F%23%2Fview%2FFRMAKER-2451=02%7C01%7C%7C0acefd5e491145419edf08d46f916218%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636256117585634345=TOtaFEaHwlADwUVwiS4NBDH2n%2BTQhzTnQLb5z9kLP9s%3D=0

The marker window has changed in FM 2017 and is no in the same look and feel 
like other pods. Also the font size is the same as in the text field of all 
other dialogs:

[cid:image025.jpg@01D2A0BE.831E09E0]


In FrameMaker 2015 there was a different marker pod based on a different 
technology.

@all: Please give me feedback, on what is different in the index marker window 
for you that does make it more difficult to work with text in index markers 
compared with other markers or text in other dialogs / pods.


Regards,
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Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

[Frank Stearns]

On Mon, 20 Mar 2017, Rick Quatro wrote:


IXgen is a very useful plugin for marker-intensive documents. I used it
years ago and recommended it to several of my clients. My only complaint is
that it takes the liberty of balancing square brackets when it puts the text
back into the markers. This was a fatal problem for one of my clients that
was trying to use IXgen with TimeSavers markers which sometimes use
unbalanced open square brackets in its marker syntax (essentially,
Postscript code). In my view, IXgen shouldn't make any changes to the marker
text that you don't explicitly specify. But this is certainly an edge case,
so if you are not using TimeSavers markers, this won't be a concern for you.


**IXGEN HAS BEEN UPDATED**

We've now included a "passthrough" marker-type option for such cases. 
(In many other situations, you do want -- and need -- brackets 
balanced.)


Hope that helps,

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
*** IXGEN 7-10 for FrameMaker 10-15 HERE! ***
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017, Rick Quatro wrote:


The problem here is simply that the text size in the marker window is
too small. It would be nice to be able to configure the size and
possibly the font in windows like these where the user has to
type/edit text. On marker-intensive documents, I would probably choose
a larger, mono-spaced font for the marker window.


snips


Hi

In the last days there was some discussion about them index marker
text window.


Another idea would be to use IXgen and bypass the limits (and sometimes
miseries) of the marker window entirely.

Most marker display and edit entities generated by IXgen rely on FrameMaker
documents that we provide as templates. And, because the IXgen templates are
plain old FM documents, you can modify those templates to use whatever font
size and styles you'd like.

For more information about IXgen please visit our site (in the sig block
below).

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Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

[Rick Quatro]

Wait, don't misunderstand what Stefan is saying. The font size of the marker
window is the same in 2017 as it is in earlier versions. So you will be very
disappointed (and upset) if you upgrade to 2017 and expect a larger font in
the marker window.

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[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Stamm, David
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 8:36 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

2017-03-20-01T12:35Z

Stefan -

Thanks for this update.  Unfortunately, I have no idea whether (and if so,
when) I will get FrameMaker 2017 Release.  I guess that the change you
reported is something I'll just have to look forward to.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms@lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Stefan Gentz
Sent: 2017-03-19-Sunday 09:39
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

Hi

In the last days there was some discussion about them index marker text
window.

David Stamm had file this in as an enhancement request:
https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2451

The marker window has changed in FM 2017 and is no in the same look and feel
like other pods. Also the font size is the same as in the text field of all
other dialogs:

[cid:image025.jpg@01D2A0BE.831E09E0]


In FrameMaker 2015 there was a different marker pod based on a different
technology.

@all: Please give me feedback, on what is different in the index marker
window for you that does make it more difficult to work with text in index
markers compared with other markers or text in other dialogs / pods.


Regards,
Stefan Gentz
Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
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Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

[Stamm, David]

2017-03-20-01T12:35Z

Stefan -

Thanks for this update.  Unfortunately, I have no idea whether (and if so, 
when) I will get FrameMaker 2017 Release.  I guess that the change you reported 
is something I'll just have to look forward to.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Stefan Gentz
Sent: 2017-03-19-Sunday 09:39
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

Hi

In the last days there was some discussion about them index marker text window.

David Stamm had file this in as an enhancement request: 
https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-2451

The marker window has changed in FM 2017 and is no in the same look and feel 
like other pods. Also the font size is the same as in the text field of all 
other dialogs:

[cid:image025.jpg@01D2A0BE.831E09E0]


In FrameMaker 2015 there was a different marker pod based on a different 
technology.

@all: Please give me feedback, on what is different in the index marker window 
for you that does make it more difficult to work with text in index markers 
compared with other markers or text in other dialogs / pods.


Regards,
Stefan Gentz
Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
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Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

[Rick Quatro]

IXgen is a very useful plugin for marker-intensive documents. I used it
years ago and recommended it to several of my clients. My only complaint is
that it takes the liberty of balancing square brackets when it puts the text
back into the markers. This was a fatal problem for one of my clients that
was trying to use IXgen with TimeSavers markers which sometimes use
unbalanced open square brackets in its marker syntax (essentially,
Postscript code). In my view, IXgen shouldn't make any changes to the marker
text that you don't explicitly specify. But this is certainly an edge case,
so if you are not using TimeSavers markers, this won't be a concern for you.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-366-4017



-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Frank Stearns
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 12:14 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Font Size in Index Marker Pod (FRMAKER-2451)

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017, Rick Quatro wrote:

> The problem here is simply that the text size in the marker window is 
> too small. It would be nice to be able to configure the size and 
> possibly the font in windows like these where the user has to 
> type/edit text. On marker-intensive documents, I would probably choose 
> a larger, mono-spaced font for the marker window.

snips

> Hi
>
> In the last days there was some discussion about them index marker 
> text window.

Another idea would be to use IXgen and bypass the limits (and sometimes
miseries) of the marker window entirely.

Most marker display and edit entities generated by IXgen rely on FrameMaker
documents that we provide as templates. And, because the IXgen templates are
plain old FM documents, you can modify those templates to use whatever font
size and styles you'd like.

For more information about IXgen please visit our site (in the sig block
below).

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
*** IXGEN 7-10 for FrameMaker 10-15 HERE! *** fra...@fsatools.com
1-435-275-8981  www.fsatools.com
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