Re: [Framers] Retired

[ed nodland]

Finish line? The adventure begins. Actually, continues. The question is,
what does the universe have in store for you next? May the force "to
recognize the synchronicity of life" be with you.

Ed


On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 8:25 AM John Sgammato 
wrote:

> congratulations on making it to the finish line (even if it was
> involuntary)
> thank you for your contributions over the years!
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 11:23 AM Keith Soltys  wrote:
>
> > As of last Wednesday, I am now retired, courtesy of a sudden but not
> > entirely unexpected lay off from the TMX Group (basically the Toronto
> > Stock Exchange) where I've been for the last seventeen years. This will
> > likely end any further use of FrameMaker on my part, as I won't be
> > looking for full-time work again.
> >
> > I'd like to thank everyone on this list and in the Frame community for
> > their help over the years. This list has been a great resource and I
> > hope I've been able to pay some of it back.
> >
> > Regards
> >
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Re: [Framers] Pros/Cons: Separate file per chapter, or one REALLY BIG FILE for an entire book

[Ed Nodland]

Also beneficial for multiple editors working on the same book in different
chapters and configuration control when one chapter is changed often and
others rarely change. I also have other elements such as large tables that
are maintained externally or commonly used content managed as external
entities so that changing common content in one place results in a
consistent change across the entire publication.  But that's getting into
structure of some sort.

Ed


On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:

>  I think I touched a nerve.
>
> Yeah, my personal inclination is one chapter per file, unless we're talking
> a really short document of less than 20 pages. Nice to know that I'm not
> alone; however, I'm really looking for reasons why using a chapter per file
> is better than using one file for an entire book (or vice-versa, I know
> there are people out there who do it that way).
>
> Manageability and stability are both good points, especially since Frame
> has become somewhat less stable since Adobe took it over (still far, far
> better than Word). And fighting the design model is also an excellent
> point.
>
> (And, Ken, even though I'm not working in DITA, I do try to organize my
> documents in a structured fashion. Consistency of language and order of
> information presentation go a long way towards that.)
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Ken Poshedly 
> wrote:
>
> > Lin,
> >
> > We also use unstructured FM11.0 to produce files that are distilled down
> > to pdf files for hard copy printing (and maybe distribution on CD, but
> not
> > so much).
> >
> > As such, we compile separate chapter files then assemble them into a
> final
> > book in FM.
> >
> > Much more manageable that way (at least for us). A former so-called tech
> > writer here (who wound up being our not-so-loved manager before finally
> > being let go) forced FM to do what he wanted it to do, with humongous
> files
> > resulting that crashed and burned at least half the time. A normal
> chapter
> > file might be 3 or 4 mb, but his sometimes got into the gigabyte range.
> > Didn't care, didn't change, and caused the rest of us lots of problems
> when
> > trying to open his files or even p-a-g-e through them (it took maybe an
> > hour to work one's way through a 50 or 60-page file). We're now much
> better
> > off, referencing and not embedding our graphics. Hint: take any photo
> > produced with a digital camera from its 60 x 60 inch (or whatever)
> original
> > size and resample it down to maybe 8 x 10 and oh, how life in tech
> > pubs-land is so much better.
> >
> > So in the end, don't do the whole book as one file. Use chapters as
> > separate files (even with all the stuff you mentioned), then combine them
> > into one book afterwards.
> >
> > And yes, while the rest of the world goes on to DITA, etc, we continue to
> > "bring up the rear".
> >
> > -- Ken in Atlanta
> >
> >
> > On Monday, November 7, 2016 1:46 PM, Lin Sims 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Pretty much what it says in the title. I'm guessing there have been
> > discussions about this in the past, and I plan to look for those, but I
> > thought I'd toss this out there anyway.
> >
> > We're talking chapters that can run a couple hundred (or more) pages
> loaded
> > with tables, graphics, and conditional text so that they can be used to
> > single-source multiple documents (no, don't talk to me about DITA, my
> > non-tech-writing boss wants it in unstructured).
> >
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Re: [Framers] 114pp table

[Ed Nodland]

Up until last year we produced several publications that contained tables
of 4000 rows. The source data is all in XML format and the tables were
plain html tags with a few FM specific attributes added in.  We use FM to
apply the master pages and styles to produce the PDFs for traditional
printing. It handles tables nicely.

Ed Nodland
San Diego Data Services

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 6:57 AM, Stamm, David <david.st...@gd-ms.com> wrote:

> 2016-08-18-04T13:55Z
>
> John -
>
> Glad to hear that you're enjoying one of the hallmarks of FrameMaker.  In
> the "for whatever it's worth" category (ITFWIWC, "IHT-fwik" for those of
> you who are "into" acronyms, I made that one up) . . .
>
> In 2004-10, I used unstructured FrameMaker and produced a software version
> description that contained a table of 13 390 rows on 484 pages of size A4
> paper.
>
> Once I sorted out the content, which was plain-text, to go into the table,
> I copied the content and pasted it into FrameMaker.  As I recall, it took
> FrameMaker about 20 minutes to take in all of that and put it into a
> table.  After that, it took me fewer than five minutes to make to some
> relatively-minor adjustments to the table.
>
> And as you indicated, FrameMaker didn't even "breathe hard," let alone
> "break a sweat" or crash.
>
> FrameMaker showed another of its hallmarks when it correctly handled the
> numbering of all those rows and the various instances of special numbering
> elsewhere in the work product.  Sweet.
>
> Back then, I used Shlomo Perets' TimeSavers to help produce the portable
> document format file that was the deliverable.  Sweeter.
>
> Done, done, done, and done.  Sweetest.
>
> Welcome here.
>
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> frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Sgammato
> Sent: 2016-08-17-Wed 21:22
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: [Framers] 114pp table
>
> Through a series of misadventures, I find myself these days working in a
> file with a table about 2000 rows long. Framemaker's not crashing!  I am
> not doing anything fancy like merging cells, but I sort the content, add
> and remove rows and columns, search and replace, etc, and Framemaker's not
> crashing.
> That's a great improvement over table behavior in older versions.
> Just thought you ought to know 
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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Ed Nodland]

Denis

I assume you are talking about something I refer to as bleed tabs. I use
them on a few publications. The tabs are 1 inch high and bleed into the
crop area at least 1/2 inch. They are black with white lettering. Chapter 1
starts 1 inch from the top and each tab moves down 1 inch, then if needed
the tabs start back at the top with the bottom tab at least one inch above
the bottom of the page.  I don't know how well a single-page bleed tab will
show up on the edge of the book. My tabs are on every right-hand page for
the sections that they are used for.

My data is managed in XML files and used to produce electronic
publications. I use FM to create PDFs of a few publications for commercial
printing, hence we are using structure FM. The setup is basically a
masterpage with a rotated frame on the right edge. This frame contains
variable text followed by the bleedtab with white text on the tab.  Our XML
documents contain attributes that drive the bleedtab, for example:

 
Subpart
C
Shipping Papers

172.200
Applicability.
.
.
.

   - Masterpage is set to use bleedtab
   - The text on the bleedtab is Shipping Papers
   - The position is three tabs (3 inches) down the edge

That's the basic concept, but every time I have to adjust or it up setup it
is a real pain.

Ed Nodland




On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 7:53 AM, Denis Daly <d.d...@icpnewtech.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> For a new Technical User Guide, we are exploring the use of printed 'Thumb
> Tabs' (correct name?).
>
> These would be printed on page one of each section; their purpose to aid
> the user in retrieving relevant information more quickly.
>
> Do you think this is a sensible idea, and can it be done using FM?
>
> I use FM12, Windows 10.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Denis
>
>
>
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Re: [Framers] I'm pretty sure the answer is structured content

[Ed Nodland]

I guess you are suggesting that "short term solution" is an oxymoron.
Short term patch, short term fix, but a solution implies long term.  The
use of the words patch or fix,  communicates to the customer that they need
to start thinking long term.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 1:01 PM,  wrote:

> Pat, I'd like to assert that structured content is generally THE answer,
> period. Nothing interesting happens with unstructured content anymore,
> because the technology is decades old. Any technical writer in a
> high-demand environment should be using structured content. If you are
> not, you are now closer to the typewriter than you are to modern
> practices.
>
> Having said that, DITA is but one option. Some find answers there,
> others do not. There are many ways to structure information and get
> significant benefits. Fortunately, you are already using FrameMaker
> which is a very flexible structured authoring tool. Take some time to
> investigate and see what it has to offer. You would be in much worse
> shape if you were using Word or similar.
>
> Also, I have to comment on this one statement:
>
> "I can't stress enough that right now, we need short-term solutions."
>
> This is the quickest path to failure I can think of. All roads to
> success involve the long view and much investment. If you won't do this,
> nobody here can help you regardless any tools or technologies.
>
> Russ
>
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Re: [Framers] I need a "hat" in an equation

[Ed Nodland]

I haven't been following this thread, so this might have been suggested
already.  Have you tried http://graphemica.com/%C5%B4 latin capital letter
W with circumflex (U+0174)? or using Alt and the arrow keys to adjust the
kerning?  Here is an image of W^θ after adjusting the font and the kerning.

[image: Inline image 1]

Ed Nodland
San Diego Data Services



On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 1:28 AM, Klaus Daube <fr...@daube.ch> wrote:

> On 20 May 2016 at 12:05, Lin Sims wrote:
>
> > One of my engineers gave me a Word document that has an equation I need
> to
> > reproduce in Frame. One of the letters in that equation is a capital W
> > with what Word describes as a "hat". Essentially, it look like a left
> > angle bracket rotated 90 degrees to point up that has been placed over
> the
> > W. It is VERY visible.
>
> Lin, I encountered same problems years ago when teaching FM at the
> Technical
> University in Zurich (ETH).
> You may have a look at my 'solution' on
> http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker15.html
>
> HTH Klaus Daube
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Re: [Framers] Searching for content in FrameMaker files

[Ed Nodland]

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Craig Ede  wrote:

> I suppose one might be searching on a phrase so breaks between words with
> intervening mif tags, etc would pose a problem. Sentences are often split
> in Mifs.
> Where also had problems where inserted $Header$ variables from RCS were
> mucked with by Mif. (It split the variable result because of length, I
> believe.)
> And your 'unless' is pretty crucial, too, Robert.
>
> Craig
>
> 
> From: Framers 
> on behalf of Robert Lauriston 
> Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2016 12:20 PM
> To: framers
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Searching for content in FrameMaker files
>
> I haven't seen that. Unless there's a tag or marker or something in
> the middle of a word it's always intact in an .fm file or exported
> .mif.
>
> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Craig Ede  wrote:
> > Even with MIF the text strings are often split in unknowable ways so
> search would be haphazard anyway.
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Re: How to Choose the Right Image File Format for Print

[Ed Nodland]

We use PDFs created in Illustrator.  As I understand a single page
illustrator and PDF file created by illustrator are identical or at least
totally exchangeable.

Ed Nodland

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Carol J. Elkins celk...@awrittenword.com
wrote:

 Here is a really good article (I think) about the various graphic file
 formats and when to use and not use them.
 http://www.creativepro.com/article/how-to-choose-the-
 right-image-file-format-for-print
 I've read dozens of similar articles and this one stands out for its
 clarity.

 This past year I've been using native Illustrator files in my Framemaker
 documents almost exclusively and am really happy with the decision. I
 previously had used a lot of imported PDF files as graphics and although
 they generally did not cause any mishaps, occasionally I'd have some
 seriously wonky problems with PDFs generated from Framemaker files that had
 PDF files imported by reference. Just curious as to whether others are
 using native Illustrator or Photoshop files instead of traditional .tif,
 eps, or (gasp) jpg formats.

 Carol

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Re: secured PDFs

[Ed Nodland]

We avoid PDFs for our subscription publications. We produced a reader that
is available as an on-line product or a standalone Windows program (CD, USB
Stick, or Download) that provides subscription licenses to be purchased for
the publications in the library.  We can also control expiration dates,
automatic content updates and add our own bells and whistles.

It's html based and use's a compressed Lucene index so user's can still
copy content page by page but the cleanup and reuse would be a pain.  The
main feature is user's can't just send or install the program on another PC
and have it function like a PDF would.  For our print editions we run the
source XML into Frame to produce the PDFs for commercial printing.

Ed Nodland

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Carol J. Elkins celk...@awrittenword.com
wrote:

 At 11:00 AM 3/4/2015, you wrote:

  We are using the certificate security for our manuals instead, which will
 make sure that any unauthorized change could be detected.


 Heiko, from the little I know about PDF certificate security, you must be
 able to identify every user of the PDF. My clients sell PDF versions of
 their books via CD on open ecommerce and I have found no good way to secure
 those PDFs other than the very vulnerable password protection. Do you
 happen to know if certificate security can be used in situations where a
 PDF is burned to CD and the CDs mass-produced? My clients require secure
 PDFs to prevent modifying them and also to prevent companies from copying
 the content and rebranding it as their own.

 Carol
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Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF

[Ed Nodland]

I agree.  I downloaded the PDF instead.  A lot of web content seems to be
going the way of cell phone/small screen display.  In the USA I see more
and more sites starting to look like cell phone displays with less real
information.  It appears that instead of implementing responsive HTML,
companies are implementing cell phone displays as the standard for all
devices.  I often think the information is also becoming more pedestrian,
i.e less technical.

I remember looking up how to install a home furnace.  It said step three
was the hardest; Step 3: Locating a furnace contractor.

I that light, the only hard part about implementing Framemaker is locating
a good FM consultant.

Ed


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 I don't wanna be overly blunt, but the new online help basically looks
 terrible
 (on my Windows 7 / IE10 default setup).  The fonts are enormous and you
 have to click through too many layers of headings to find anything,
 with no ToC or breadcrumb trail.

 The plain fact is that the printed manual trumped any of this new-fangled
 gubbins.
 If Adobe really feel it eats into their profit margin too much to include
 it with the software as standard,
 could they not consider selling a printed manual separately, as an
 additional option?


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Re: How do you get fractions in FM 12?

[Ed Nodland]

Tom, I found this list of unicode characters online at
http://symbolcodes.tlt.psu.edu/bylanguage/mathchart.html#fractions

The problem is there is not a special character for all possible fractions.
So if you intermix the styles in the same sections and have 3-3/16 with  4⅔
it becomes more confusing.

You can also reduce the font size and manually adjust the position
by selecting the text and using ALT+ArrowKeys, e.g. move a small 3 up /
move a small 16 down, for a nice looking 3/16.


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 I have text that expresses one-and-one-half as 1-1/2, which could be
 interpreted as 1-to-1/2. I would like to be able to show the fraction
 without the hyphen.




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[Ed Nodland]

Rebecca

I use a two column masterpage.  The text flows from one column to the next
and my wide images and tables are wrapped in paragraphs that set the span
all columns property.

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Re: A giggle from the Adobe website

[Ed Nodland]

I get it now.  All this time they thought I was not using Framemaker.  From
wiki: An end user of a computer system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_user_of_a_computer_system or software is
someone who uses it.

I will let them know I am an end-user.  That could explain why we get
answers that are high-level, vague, or sound like short sound bites.  I was
checking IT manager.

I'll add that the program, documentation, and support is much better than
it was in 2007 - 2010 and the support community is amazing.

Ed


On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Helen Borrie hele...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 Pat Christenson wrote:

 I was visiting Adobe's website earlier and noticed that when you sign up,
 you have to make a choice from the list of Job Titles. One of the choices
 is End User.

 Really? That's a job title? ;-)

 At 07:19 a.m. 28/10/2014, Writer wrote:

 It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it.
 
 I hear the pay sucks, too.

 And don't we *always* get the blame when something goes pear-shaped?

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Re: Filling up blank space in a Framemaker page

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There is a paragraph pagination setting, start top of page.  Apply it to
the element that you want to have start on the top of the next page.

Ed Nodland

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On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Apurva Bahadur apu...@writxt.com wrote:

 Dear All,

 Is there a way to stretch text to fill up vacant space on a Framemaker
 page.

 I am writing a manual in which few pages end with some lines and then a
 lot of blank space as the next section starts on the following page.
 I believe Indesign has a feature that allows subtle automatic adjustment
 of line spacing to fill up a page, is there a similar feature in
 Framemaker?

 Or does such a feature not exist in Indesign or Frame?




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Re: Where is the EDD created?

[Ed Nodland]

Theresa

You can save your EDD anywhere you'd like to.  It is not used by
FrameMaker.  The template and the Read Write Rules file are used by
FrameMaker.  The EDD is imported into your template file.  The templare and
r/w rules can also reside anywhere and you edit the structured application
definitions specifying the location of your template and EDD files to your
application.

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 I'm taking everyone's advice (thank you) and starting with a new EDD.

 Where do I save the EDD? In the directory where the structured book will
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 Thanks,
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Re: anchored text frames in sideheads

[Ed Nodland]

John

I sent you a sample PDF, directly, of sidebars produced from an 800 page
XML file and opened into Structured Framemaker.

Are you using FM structured or unstructured?

Yes, you can only have one sidebar paragraph per textflow paragraph or it
opens up whitespace in the text flow, but you can use linebreaks and styles.

We use the sidebar on the right. The left margin with the section numbers
is done using margins and negative first indents

I use text, tables and images in the sidebar, but I have to wrap the images
in a table, or I had problems and I don't remember what it was

Tables automatically flow over the sidebar, but I have styles for allow
text in the flow to span across the sidebar.

So the answer to you first question is, yes it can do it.  Next is to
determine how to help you get it dialed in.

If you are using structured FrameMaker I could send you some of my tagging
methods for this.

Ed Nodland
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wrote:

 I just posted a question about importing formats from a sidehead-enabled
 template.
 Here's a related question:
 Assuming we can make the sidehead template work, we'd like to be able to
 put some content over there, while keeping it in Text Flow A. That works
 fine for a single paragraph - the following non-sidehead paragraph appears
 in the main column just where we left off:

1 text text text
 sidehead text2 text text text
3 text text text

 But if the sidehead text includes multiple paragraphs, then the subsequent
 main column paragraphs are pushed below the level of the last sidehead para:

   1 text text text
 sidehead text
 sidehead text
 sidehead text
 sidehead text   2 text text text
   3 text text text

 The sort of content we would put in the sidebar is Before You Begin, This
 Section Includes, etc.

 We need to keep it in Text Flow A because ultimately it all goes into a
 knowledgebase with all the same content, but no sideheads.

 I tried anchoring a text frame to the main column text and positioned over
 there, but I cannot put any content into it. I define it as a text frame,
 but it always reverts to a graphic frame.

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Re: importing master pages, but not getting Room for Sideheads (FM12 unst)

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1) I opened my FM file with Room for Side Heads select,
2) I removed the sideheads option
3) The sidebar was gone
4) I imported my template (sidebar did not return)
5) Applied masterpages (sidebar did not return)
6) Manually selected Room for Side Heads (sidebar returned)

Maybe https://forums.adobe.com/message/4209683 will help.  It says, Sideheads
are a flow property (effectively a document level property, not any
individual text frame). If they were enabled in the MasterPage, but not
showing on the Body pages, then the Body pages had an override (i.e. it was
turned off there).

Ed Nodland






On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Kurt Kroeber kurt.kroe...@actifio.com
wrote:

 To elaborate John's point on the importing of formats from one file to
 another, the problem seems to stems from the fact that when the template is
 applied to another document almost all of the formats are applied except
 for one -- the Room for Side Heads object property is disabled for the text
 frame on the body page.  However, all of the template format settings look
 fine on the master pages.  Even when I reapplied the master page this still
 did not change the Room for Side Heads text object property on the body
 page.  To resolve this problem,  I selected the Object Properties for the
 text frame on the body page and enabled Room for Side Heads.  This manual
 updating of the text object property seemed to do the trick.

 I am not sure if this Room for Side Heads object property issue is with
 FrameMaker; it should accept 100% of the object property settings from a
 template file.

 Thanks,

 Kurt


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 wrote:

 Our Marketing group wants us to use new templates that have room for a
 sidebar. We won't actually use the sidebar for anything, and it's OK for
 titles, images, and tables to extend into the sidebar. We may put notes
 over there.
 We have been able to do this with the Room for Sideheads feature, and
 we're pretty happy with the look. But when we import formats from one file
 to another, all the formats come over as expected except for the sideheads
 setting.
 Is this a bug? A feature we don't understand? Has anyone dealt with this?
 How can we import that sidehead setting along with the rest of the settings?

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Re: FM Crashed and now it doesn't ask for Application

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Thanks, I have this fixed.  After Frame crashed, it would see the DOCTYPE
chapter in my XML file and use one of the three DocBook application
automatically.  I must have removed the Global applications from Frames
active applications and the crash / restart read them back in.  I could
rename or remove the global structapps file but I just went in and changed
all three occurrences of Chapter to ChapterDisabled.  I don't know why it
automatically picks up on Chapter in a DocBook application and won't pick
up on the one in my custom application, but now the Use Structured
Application windows comes up.

Ed


On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:02 AM, Jeff Coatsworth 
jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com wrote:

  Is this Windows not asking? If so, then your file association has just
 gotten mixed up and assigned to some application (or none if it’s
 floundering around). Use Windows Explorer to reset this.



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 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Ed Nodland
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 *Subject:* FM Crashed and now it doesn't ask for Application



 While changing a font FM crashed. Now it doesn't ask me what application
 to use when I open an XML file.  My XML starts with:



  ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?

 !DOCTYPE chapter SYSTEM regs4fm.dtd

 ?FM document Chapter1.fm?



 chapter pageid=air.1 id=air.1 ref=1 xml:space=preserve

 title class=chapter masterpage=standard

   . . . .



 I had a problem a year ago when my DOCTYPE was !DOCTYPE book . . .

 Frame automatically applied the docbook application, so I changed it and
 my root element to chapter or lmbook as applicable.



 Does anyone know why it would not ask for the application after a crash?



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FM Crashed and now it doesn't ask for Application

[Ed Nodland]

While changing a font FM crashed. Now it doesn't ask me what application to
use when I open an XML file.  My XML starts with:

?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
!DOCTYPE chapter SYSTEM regs4fm.dtd
?FM document Chapter1.fm?

chapter pageid=air.1 id=air.1 ref=1 xml:space=preserve
title class=chapter masterpage=standard

 . . . .

I had a problem a year ago when my DOCTYPE was !DOCTYPE book . . .
Frame automatically applied the docbook application, so I changed it and my
root element to chapter or lmbook as applicable.

Does anyone know why it would not ask for the application after a crash?

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Re: File not appearing in Set Structured Application dropdown

[Ed Nodland]

Angela

You said,

 I added a folder in the following location:
 Program Files\Adobe\AdobeFrameMaker11\xml
 When I try to select my file from the Set Structured Application dropdown,
 it doesn’t appear.


Does that folder contain your Framemaker documents?  I assume they are .XML
files.

Assuming the answer is yes, Then I wonder why your department want's you to
put data files into the Program Files folder.  Seems odd to me.


The other possibility is that your department wants you to put your
application files in that folder.  The application files are the FM
Template, EDD (Element Definition), and Read/Write rules files.  These
files make up the application.


The application definitions can be edited from the structured tools
dropdown menu.  This is where an application is given a name and associated
with the application files I mentioned above.  When you click File  Open
and select a .XML file Frame will ask what application the file is written
for.  This is where the Set Structured Application dropdown comes in.  You
specify the application name so that Framemaker knows what template and
read/write rules get applied to the file when it opens the XML.


When you say, select my files, I assume you want to open an XML file
using File  Open, navigate to the folder that contains the files, select a
file to open, and then open it followed by specifying the structured
application to use.  If the application is setup this should be a simple
step.  I guess this depends on whether your department knows how to setup
FM applications, or they just install the software and expect you to do the
system configuration.


The recent versions of FM allows for Global level applications and user
level applications to be defined.  I left all the applications that came
with Frame in the Program Files folder (Global), but have my custom
customer applications in a c:/work/sw/framemaker/xml/projectname folder.


One other issue that showed up starting with FM11.  My root level element
was book but I changed it to lmbook as seen on lines 2 and 4 below.
Using book FM assumed I wanted the to use the global docbook application
and it would not ask me which structured app to use.  I assume there is
another solution to this problem, but that's what I got to work, so I stuck
with it.


 SAMPLE XML FOR STRUCTURED FM

 1  ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
 2  !DOCTYPE lmbook SYSTEM ..\sw\regs4fm.dtd
 3  ?FM book?
 4  lmbook ref=air2015 id=air2105 pageid=air2015
 5  ?FM document Chapter3a.fm?
 6  chapter pageid=air.3 id=air.3 ref=3 xml:space=preserve
 7  sectnum tabposition=2 tabnum=3 tabtext=IdentificationChapter
 3/sectnum
 8  title masterpage=standardSubstance and Article Identification
 (Dangerous Goods List)/title
 9  section pageid=air.3 id=air.3.1 ref=1
 10 sectnum3.1/sectnum
 11 titleGeneral/title


Ed Nodland

San Diego Data Services

sddat.com




On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Heiko Haida i...@heiko-haida.de wrote:

  Hi Angela,

 I am not sure if I understand what you are expecting.

 If there is a department rule, those department guys should tell you
 what to do exactly - it seems they know something.

 Ok, now, you say: When I try to select my file from the Set Structured
 Application dropdown

 Well, you do not select a file there. This option will apply the settings
 of one of the structured applications (defined in the structapps.fm) to
 an open xml file, so that FrameMaker knows how to handle this file, parse
 with which DTD, use which entities and so on.

 Maybe you can specify your problem more accurately.

 (Or: Maybe you should get a good introduction in working with structured
 FrameMaker first.)

 Good luck - Tino Haida, Berlin



 angela.fos...@daimler.com:

  Hi There,



 I’m a longtime Unstructured Frame user but am new to Structured. Per
 department rules, I added a folder in the following location:



 Program Files\Adobe\AdobeFrameMaker11\xml



 When I try to select my file from the Set Structured Application dropdown,
 it doesn’t appear. The folder and files are in the xml folder though. I
 restarted Frame and restarted my computer just to make sure.



 What am I missing?



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Re: FM12: Quirks in Find/replace using RegEx (Perl)

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I work with on a windows environment and write Perl scripts regularly to
adjust HTML, MIF, XML and other UTF-8 files using RegEx. Sometimes its a
single file other times a folder structure of files. IF you need a small
perl script I be glad to donate to this group.

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On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 3:01 AM, Steve Rickaby 
srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk wrote:

 Klaus and others

 I admit that I have not been following this thread too closely, although
 I've had similar issues with EOLs in FrameMaker in the past.

 However, where regexp work is concerned, there is an alternative, which
 might be practical if what's required is a batch on-off cleanup: work on
 the MIF and parse it with a stream editor. Users of FrameMaker on Unix and
 Mac have access to apps like sed: you would have to grok a bit of MIF
 grammar, but it offers a completely different approach to FrameMaker's
 native regexp find/replace.

 Of course, you'd have to learn regexps all over again for sed :-(

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Re: XML/EDD Vertical Text Placement in Structured Frame 12

[Ed Nodland]

Tim

I would use the footer with markers.  Here are a couple of references.


http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/9.0/Using/WS2937A033-EFF3-4d85-BBB3-98214B54950D.html

and page 111 for read/write rules in
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/9.0/StructuredDev/Structure_Dev_Reference.pdf

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  I am relatively new to structured Framemaker and am looking for the way
 to control the vertical placement of the XML content via the EDD, multiple
 text flows, or *?*.

 I have a functioning EDD and Frame template into which I have successfully
 imported an XML file, which then takes on the font style as assigned by
 the paragraph and character styles. The problem is that the content is not
 vertically placed where I want it on the page. For example, some text
 that is imported needs to be immediately above the page number at the
 bottom of each page, regardless of how much of the page is filled with
 text, which varies significantly from page to page.

 Attached is a PDF of a couple of pages of what the finished product
 should look like. FYI-To get the text to appear vertically where I needed
 it, I inserted carriage returns manually. Without those carriage returns,
 there would only be one line break between the various sections.

 I assume (hope?) there is some way to control where the text appears in
 Structured Frame, not just the font style, size, bold, italic, left,
 right, center justification, etc. I have searched the web with every
 possible combination of search terms I could think of, but have had no luck
 in finding an answer.

 Any help with this would be much appreciated. Thanks!

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Re: What do you all recommend for showing space characters?

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How about  ␣ (Unicode U+2423, decimal 9251, *open box*).   Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_character  Visible Symbol.

back in the 70's we used a ^ near the bottom of the line, but that was
when writing out code on paper was done before punching it onto cards or
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 Hi,

 The UTF-8 code for it is U+2423 and it is called Open Box (␣).

 In LaTeX you can use the \textvisiblespace{} macro.

 Regards
 Alan


 On 15/03/14 2:09 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:

 Hi, everybody.

 In my specifications, I often need to “show” a space character … for a
 text format sample, for example.

 I usually use a fixed-width font (Consolas) for these format samples.
 This helps to make the space character obvious, but isn’t perfect.

 Elsewhere, I have also seen the use of an underscore-like character with
 little “upticks” at the end.

 What do you all do for this purpose? If you use a printing character to
 denote a space, what character do you use?

 Is there a character in a fixed-width font (ideally Consolas ... I went
 looking but did not find something convenient) that would be good?


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Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems

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Framemaker does not appear to handle hexadecimal values using the ALT +
numeric keypad values.  It does handle decimal values but I can't determine
what the different code points (character values) are mapped to. ALT+8734
results in a solid triangle for me.

You can select File  Utilities Character Palete and then use the single,
double and triple scroll buttons to move down to 221, then look in column E
to find the infinity symbol.  Click it to insert the character into your
content.

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  I’m working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the
 infinity symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation,
 it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In
 any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was
 the Edit menu. I can’t find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to
 getting the symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but
 seriously, is that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation
 and insert the symbol?



 My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can’t
 use the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She
 gets other characters instead. She’s resorted to copying and pasting from
 Word, and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the
 information I’ve found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older.
 Can anyone tell me what to do for FrameMaker 10?



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Re: Merry Christmas

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Ditto to all you said, happy holidays from San Diego.

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Re: Looking for FrameMaker SGML Help

[Ed Nodland]

I work primarily with Large XML documents that are read into FrameMaker to
produce PDF book files that are sent to commercial printers, or processed
for online document and data applications. I have a slow down at this time
and would be glad to help out.  Rick, as you and Craig know, I know more
about the XML structured processing than unstructured Frame itself.  But
thanks to you and Craig this year I'm getting pretty good with the features
of unstructured Frame Editing as well.

You have my number, give me a call.

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 This could be utter baloney, but it might work...  Just change the
 declarations to XML declarations and try opening the files.  If you don't
 need to round-trip back to the SGML that might just do it for you...
 Sloppy and funky, but what the hey?

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I work primarily with Large XML documents that are read into FrameMaker to
produce PDF book files that are sent to commercial printers, or processed
for online document and data applications. I have a slow down at this time
and would be glad to help out.  Rick, as you and Craig know, I know more
about the XML structured processing than unstructured Frame itself.  But
thanks to you and Craig this year I'm getting pretty good with the features
of unstructured Frame Editing as well.

You have my number, give me a call.

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Re: Structured FM11 Not translating horizontal tab character - #09;

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For FM 11 I had to add xml:space=preserve to my root element,
 e.g. masterregs xml:space=preserve recid=1 name=dot

In addition when I had a multi-column table and I have an empty cell with a
dotleader like ... to guide the eye across the cell I use a
decimal tab.  The tagging td#x0009/td did not work.  Frame determined
there was nothing really in the cell.  I added a non-breaking space #00A0;
before the tab,
e.g. td valign=top colname=2 dotleader=2.2#x00A0;#x0009;/td

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 Structured FrameMaker 11 in Win 7. Part of the work that I do involves
 importing xml feeds into Structured FrameMaker templates using an automated
 process. As I am testing the importing into FM 11 I am noticing that the
 special character code used for a horizontal tab - #09; - is not
 translating into a tab after the xml feed has been imported into the FM 11
 template. It does translate into a horizontal tab when imported into FM 8.
 

 ** **

 FrameMaker 11 is not substituting a space for the tab when the data is
 imported. It was suggested that I check to see that the preserve line
 breaks rule is set up. I am using the same Read/Write Rules file and other
 system files that I used when importing into FrameMaker 8. I’m assuming
 that the preserve line breaks rule is part of the Read/Write file. Am I
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[Ed Nodland]

For FM 11 I had to add xml:space="preserve" to my root element,
 e.g. 

In addition when I had a multi-column table and I have an empty cell with a
dotleader like ... to guide the eye across the cell I use a
decimal tab.  The tagging  did not work.  Frame determined
there was nothing really in the cell.  I added a non-breaking space 

FM 11 ignores my XML Tab Characters

[Ed Nodland]

I'm using FM 10, but need to expand capacity and had a co-worker install FM
11.  When we open our .XML files the #x0009; characters are ignored or
dropped by FM 11. Works fine in FM10.

We installed the 11.0.2.384 patch.  I see an old post on the Abobe forum
about FM 9 using #x0008; for a tab, but 0009 works fine for me using FM
10.

Any suggestions?

Ed
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FM 11 ignores my XML Tab Characters

[Ed Nodland]

I'm using FM 10, but need to expand capacity and had a co-worker install FM
11.  When we open our .XML files the  characters are ignored or
dropped by FM 11. Works fine in FM10.

We installed the 11.0.2.384 patch.  I see an old post on the Abobe forum
about FM 9 using  for a tab, but 0009 works fine for me using FM
10.

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Printing Color Images

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This seems like it should be simple and done routinely by many others.

I have an image of a flammable substance label.  It has a pantone red, a
pantone yellow, and black. I want to use the image in a Framemaker document
that will be sent for commercial printing using Spot Color not process
printing.  How can I accomplish this?

The image is an Illustrator file. I save the file to PDF, load it into
Frame 10, save the Frame file as PDF, open in acrobat pro and use Advanced
 Print Production  Output Preview to see that the image is a mix of CMYK
not my spot pantone colors.

I also suspect that the image saved from Illustrator as a PDF format should
display the spot colors but it does not. So the problem/solution might
start there.

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Re: Printing Color Images

[Ed Nodland]

OK, Save As PDF was the trick.  Thanks.  Now most of the images work fine.
 The rest require a conversion of process to spot color changes in
Illustrator.


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 This seems like it should be simple and done routinely by many others.

 I have an image of a flammable substance label.  It has a pantone red, a
 pantone yellow, and black. I want to use the image in a Framemaker document
 that will be sent for commercial printing using Spot Color not process
 printing.  How can I accomplish this?

 The image is an Illustrator file. I save the file to PDF, load it into
 Frame 10, save the Frame file as PDF, open in acrobat pro and use Advanced
  Print Production  Output Preview to see that the image is a mix of CMYK
 not my spot pantone colors.

 I also suspect that the image saved from Illustrator as a PDF format
 should display the spot colors but it does not. So the problem/solution
 might start there.

 Ed Nodland

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Re: Printing Color Images

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Thanks,  With the help and clues from several sources I now understand the
color printing issue, including the Save as PDF In Frame and setting spot
colors in Illustrator.

Ed



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 **

 Hi Ed,

 probably your colors are set to automatically separate to CMYK in
 Illustrator:

 If you use a pantone library, all colors here are by default defined as
 CMYK-separating colors, although a pantone value is displayed in the color
 window...

 = Set the two colors to spotcolor in the color options (swatch
 options). A small dot will then be visible in each color (in the swatches
 palette for the document).

 After this, when producing a PDF, set the output option to no color
 conversion.

 The pantone colors will then have their own plates in the pdf as spot
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 Pls see also:

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 Ed Nodland:

 This seems like it should be simple and done routinely by many others.

 I have an image of a flammable substance label.  It has a pantone red, a
 pantone yellow, and black. I want to use the image in a Framemaker document
 that will be sent for commercial printing using Spot Color not process
 printing.  How can I accomplish this?

 The image is an Illustrator file. I save the file to PDF, load it into
 Frame 10, save the Frame file as PDF, open in acrobat pro and use Advanced
  Print Production  Output Preview to see that the image is a mix of CMYK
 not my spot pantone colors.

 I also suspect that the image saved from Illustrator as a PDF format
 should display the spot colors but it does not. So the problem/solution
 might start there.

 Ed Nodland


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Printing Color Images

[Ed Nodland]

OK, Save As PDF was the trick.  Thanks.  Now most of the images work fine.
 The rest require a conversion of process to spot color changes in
Illustrator.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Ed Nodland  wrote:

> This seems like it should be simple and done routinely by many others.
>
> I have an image of a flammable substance label.  It has a pantone red, a
> pantone yellow, and black. I want to use the image in a Framemaker document
> that will be sent for commercial printing using "Spot Color" not process
> printing.  How can I accomplish this?
>
> The image is an Illustrator file. I save the file to PDF, load it into
> Frame 10, save the Frame file as PDF, open in acrobat pro and use Advanced
> > Print Production > Output Preview to see that the image is a mix of CMYK
> not my spot pantone colors.
>
> I also suspect that the image saved from Illustrator as a PDF format
> should display the spot colors but it does not. So the problem/solution
> might start there.
>
> Ed Nodland
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Printing Color Images

[Ed Nodland]

Thanks,  With the help and clues from several sources I now understand the
color printing issue, including the Save as PDF In Frame and setting spot
colors in Illustrator.

Ed



On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Heiko Haida  wrote:

> **
>
> Hi Ed,
>
> probably your colors are set to automatically separate to CMYK in
> Illustrator:
>
> If you use a pantone library, all colors here are by default defined as
> CMYK-separating colors, although a pantone value is displayed in the color
> window...
>
> => Set the two colors to "spotcolor" in the color options (swatch
> options). A small dot will then be visible in each color (in the swatches
> palette for the document).
>
> After this, when producing a PDF, set the output option to "no color
> conversion".
>
> The pantone colors will then have their own plates in the pdf as spot
> colors.
>
> Pls see also:
>
> -->
> http://karafintechteam.weebly.com/uploads/7/8/5/3/7853240/spot_color_and_adobe_illustrator.pdf
>
> Best regards
>
> Tino H. Haida, Berlin
>
>
>
>
>
> Ed Nodland:
>
> This seems like it should be simple and done routinely by many others.
>
> I have an image of a flammable substance label.  It has a pantone red, a
> pantone yellow, and black. I want to use the image in a Framemaker document
> that will be sent for commercial printing using "Spot Color" not process
> printing.  How can I accomplish this?
>
> The image is an Illustrator file. I save the file to PDF, load it into
> Frame 10, save the Frame file as PDF, open in acrobat pro and use Advanced
> > Print Production > Output Preview to see that the image is a mix of CMYK
> not my spot pantone colors.
>
> I also suspect that the image saved from Illustrator as a PDF format
> should display the spot colors but it does not. So the problem/solution
> might start there.
>
> Ed Nodland
>
>
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Printing Color Images

[Ed Nodland]

This seems like it should be simple and done routinely by many others.

I have an image of a flammable substance label.  It has a pantone red, a
pantone yellow, and black. I want to use the image in a Framemaker document
that will be sent for commercial printing using "Spot Color" not process
printing.  How can I accomplish this?

The image is an Illustrator file. I save the file to PDF, load it into
Frame 10, save the Frame file as PDF, open in acrobat pro and use Advanced
> Print Production > Output Preview to see that the image is a mix of CMYK
not my spot pantone colors.

I also suspect that the image saved from Illustrator as a PDF format should
display the spot colors but it does not. So the problem/solution might
start there.

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Scaling Images

[Ed Nodland]

I have 130 images created in Illustrator and saved as PDFs

In my XML I have image tags such as:
  img  impby=ref impsize=1.0in 0.4in position=inline
src=images\1537.pdf /
without the impsize attribute

My Read/Write rules is

element img {
  is fm graphic element mygraphic;
attribute src is fm property file;
attribute width is fm property width;
attribute height is fm property height;
attribute position is fm property position;
 }

The images saved as PDF are larger than I want.  I can add impsize
attributes to all of the image tags, but I'll have to be careful to get the
width-height ratio correct.

Question: Is there a scale attribute to define and use or a similar
mechanism.  Or, maybe someone knows how to produce scaled PDF outputs.

Thanks
Ed
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I have 130 images created in Illustrator and saved as PDFs

In my XML I have image tags such as:
  
without the impsize attribute

My Read/Write rules is

element "img" {
  is fm graphic element "mygraphic";
attribute "src" is fm property file;
attribute "width" is fm property width;
attribute "height" is fm property height;
attribute "position" is fm property position;
 }

The images saved as PDF are larger than I want.  I can add impsize
attributes to all of the image tags, but I'll have to be careful to get the
width-height ratio correct.

Question: Is there a scale attribute to define and use or a similar
mechanism.  Or, maybe someone knows how to produce scaled PDF outputs.

Thanks
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Re: FrameMaker 10 Crashes Regularly, is unstructured FrameMaker 11 more stable

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FM 9 used to crash on me whenever I had Frame on my second monitor and used
the mouse thumbwheel.  Took me a while to connect the dots on that one.

Point is it can be an obscure cause.

Ed



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 Hi all,

 I have been using FM 10 for about 2 years. It seems like FrameMaker will
 randomly crash at least once a day on me. And I do mean crash --- get the
 infamous fatal exception dialog box and then FrameMaker goes kaput. In
 response to the inevitable debug questions:



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FM 9 used to crash on me whenever I had Frame on my second monitor and used
the mouse thumbwheel.  Took me a while to connect the dots on that one.

Point is it can be an obscure cause.

Ed



On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Joseph Lorenzini  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have been using FM 10 for about 2 years. It seems like FrameMaker will
> randomly crash at least once a day on me. And I do mean crash --- get the
> infamous fatal exception dialog box and then FrameMaker goes kaput. In
> response to the inevitable debug questions:
>
>
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Fonts, Character Sets, Unicode and UTF-8 Explained

[Ed Nodland]

 codepoint is larger than 127, U+007F, and
is saved to a file as UTF-8 it uses 2 or 3 bytes. If a program such as a
browser, editor or spreadsheet is expecting, reading, and displaying the
data as individual single byte characters data such as ANSI, then the 2
bytes are displayed as if there are 2 characters.  In other words the 16
binary ones and zeros are not decoded incorrectly to represent two or three
characters and the wrong font glyphs are displayed resulting in the Åö looking
stuff.

I am trying to move to using Unicode codepoints, UTF-8 encoding, and a
compatible fonts for everything I do, but its not easy.

When the codepoint for a character creates a problem in one of the storage,
transfer, or processing programs my solution was to use a named entity such
as le; for the less-than-equal-to symbol and transform the le; to a
character, a character wrapped in a Symbol font, a numeric entitiy for
HTML, or use a Framemaker Read/Write rule.  In the past I also used named
entities for many of the western European characters such as eacute;  Now
that I understand more I no longer need to do that as much.

I still use named entities like le; in some of my XML data, but convert
them to Unicode values for Framemaker and HTML product files and use either
the Arial Unicode MS or MS Gothic fonts for those characters.  I could use
the numeric entities in my XML but it makes authoring difficult since
looking at 2264; doesn't tell me what the character is supposed to be as
well as the le;.  In addition some processes will convert the numeric
entities to the actual character and then subsequent programs might choke
and convert the character to a question mark.  So the conversion to numeric
entities is always near the last step in my processing. My goal is to
someday use every character directly, and have it transfer correctly
between text editors, document and publication editors, spreadsheets,
databases, browsers and book readers.  Some software and operating systems
have to catch up to the Unicode and UTF-8 standard.

I also just learned that in MS Word I can enter a Unicode value like 2264
or 2A81 then press Alt-x and it converts the value to the Unicode character
using the MS Gothic font when required. I also use
http://graphemica.comhttp://graphemica.com/%E2%89%A4 to
look up Unicode values by searching for the character, value or name, such
as ∞, 221E, or infinity

Codepoints (a.k.a character values), encoding and fonts cover the first
three parts of the puzzle. Parts 4 and 5 of the character puzzle have to
do with file declaration, programming statements, and understanding
software limitations.

An XML UTF-8 file must include the declaration ?xml version=1.0
encoding=UTF-8?
A HTML5 UTF-8 file must include meta charset=UTF-8
A HTML4 and XHTML UTF-8 file must include meta http-equiv=Content-type
content=text/html;charset=UTF-8

And, the files must be *saved as UTF-8* if that is what is intended.

To open and edit HTML files saved as UTF-8 using some text editors the file
must also include the XML declaration described above.  These declarations
tell browsers, editors, and other software what the encoding is or the
program may assume it's encoded as ANSI using one byte for each character.

Many programs will detect the UTF-8 encoding when opening a file, but some
may have to have an option selected.  When saving a file in other than the
native format, such as saving a new text file in TextPad, saving an Excel
spreadsheet as a Tab Delimited file, or copying and pasting from one
program to another special options and setting may have to be specified.
 Writing javascript, Perl, C#, Visual basic or other programs will require
that the files are opened for reading or writing, and then data read and
written using the appropriate options for ANSI, UTF-8 or another encoding
encoding as required.

I use Structured Framemaker to open and produce PDF files for publications
that are maintained as single source XML files. So I can't really make
specific Framemaker .FM encoding recommendations, but I think FM, as of
version 9, saves files as UTF-8 and can support the Unicode character
values.

If single source data is being used for multiple processing streams, then
the source data must be such that it can be transformed to support the
limitations of software, programs, and processes that consume and display
the data.

I think Unicode and UTF-8 encoding are the best standards to use at this
time.  If the hexadecimal numbers like 2A3B are messing with your brain I
can provide some insight on the decimal, binary, hexadecimal, byte, and bit
jargon as well, but I'd probably take it off line since it's not Frame
specific.

Ed Nodland

*Additional References*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Unicode_encodings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_encoding
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lays likes ?? it is due to mismatched encoding,
not the font. When a character's codepoint is larger than 127, U+007F, and
is saved to a file as UTF-8 it uses 2 or 3 bytes. If a program such as a
browser, editor or spreadsheet is expecting, reading, and displaying the
data as individual single byte characters data such as ANSI, then the 2
bytes are displayed as if there are 2 characters.  In other words the 16
binary ones and zeros are not decoded incorrectly to represent two or three
characters and the wrong font glyphs are displayed resulting in the ?? looking
stuff.

I am trying to move to using Unicode codepoints, UTF-8 encoding, and a
compatible fonts for everything I do, but its not easy.

When the codepoint for a character creates a problem in one of the storage,
transfer, or processing programs my solution was to use a named entity such
as  for the less-than-equal-to symbol and transform the  to a
character, a character wrapped in a Symbol font, a numeric entitiy for
HTML, or use a Framemaker Read/Write rule.  In the past I also used named
entities for many of the western European characters such as   Now
that I understand more I no longer need to do that as much.

I still use named entities like  in some of my XML data, but convert
them to Unicode values for Framemaker and HTML product files and use either
the Arial Unicode MS or MS Gothic fonts for those characters.  I could use
the numeric entities in my XML but it makes authoring difficult since
looking at &2264; doesn't tell me what the character is supposed to be as
well as the .  In addition some processes will convert the numeric
entities to the actual character and then subsequent programs might choke
and convert the character to a question mark.  So the conversion to numeric
entities is always near the last step in my processing. My goal is to
someday use every character directly, and have it transfer correctly
between text editors, document and publication editors, spreadsheets,
databases, browsers and book readers.  Some software and operating systems
have to catch up to the Unicode and UTF-8 standard.

I also just learned that in MS Word I can enter a Unicode value like 2264
or 2A81 then press Alt-x and it converts the value to the Unicode character
using the MS Gothic font when required. I also use
http://graphemica.com<http://graphemica.com/%E2%89%A4> to
look up Unicode values by searching for the character, value or name, such
as ?, 221E, or infinity

Codepoints (a.k.a character values), encoding and fonts cover the first
three parts of the puzzle. Parts 4 and 5 of the "character" puzzle have to
do with file declaration, programming statements, and understanding
software limitations.

An XML UTF-8 file must include the declaration 
A HTML5 UTF-8 file must include 
A HTML4 and XHTML UTF-8 file must include 

And, the files must be *saved as UTF-8* if that is what is intended.

To open and edit HTML files saved as UTF-8 using some text editors the file
must also include the XML declaration described above.  These declarations
tell browsers, editors, and other software what the encoding is or the
program may assume it's encoded as ANSI using one byte for each character.

Many programs will detect the UTF-8 encoding when opening a file, but some
may have to have an option selected.  When saving a file in other than the
native format, such as saving a new text file in TextPad, saving an Excel
spreadsheet as a Tab Delimited file, or copying and pasting from one
program to another special options and setting may have to be specified.
 Writing javascript, Perl, C#, Visual basic or other programs will require
that the files are opened for reading or writing, and then data read and
written using the appropriate options for ANSI, UTF-8 or another encoding
encoding as required.

I use Structured Framemaker to open and produce PDF files for publications
that are maintained as single source XML files. So I can't really make
specific Framemaker .FM encoding recommendations, but I think FM, as of
version 9, saves files as UTF-8 and can support the Unicode character
values.

If single source data is being used for multiple processing streams, then
the source data must be such that it can be transformed to support the
limitations of software, programs, and processes that consume and display
the data.

I think Unicode and UTF-8 encoding are the best standards to use at this
time.  If the hexadecimal numbers like 2A3B are messing with your brain I
can provide some insight on the decimal, binary, hexadecimal, byte, and bit
jargon as well, but I'd probably take it off line since it's not Frame
specific.

Ed Nodland

*Additional References*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Unicode_encodings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_encoding
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Re: Custom Ruling and Shading of Tables via xml and EDD rules

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Thanks Roger,

This sets me on the right track, and that is all I needed.

I will look up the properties, use XSLT to transform the class values to a
set of attributes that I can map to FM properties in the R/W Rules file.
 This is all simple and routine for us to do here.   I agree with what you
said, the exact syntax [of the FM properties] is not always easily found.
 I have the Structure Application Developer's Guide right here in front
of me.


On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Roger Shuttleworth shutti...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Ed

 * * * * *

 4. Write read-write rules that map the attributes and their values to the
 FM properties and their values.

 * * * * *




 Roger

 Repatriated to the UK


 * * * * *

 I do not see a Custom Ruling and Shading EDD Rule that allows ruling
 and shading to be defined for a cell based on a Context Rule such as
 [class=cheader].

 _Am I missing something?_

 * * * * *
 _Any suggestions?_
 _
 _
   Ed Nodland




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Custom Ruling and Shading of Tables via xml and EDD rules

[Ed Nodland]

Thanks Roger,

This sets me on the right track, and that is all I needed.

I will look up the properties, use XSLT to transform the class values to a
set of attributes that I can map to FM properties in the R/W Rules file.
 This is all simple and routine for us to do here.   I agree with what you
said, the exact syntax [of the FM properties] is not always easily found.
 I have the "Structure Application Developer's Guide" right here in front
of me.


On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Roger Shuttleworth wrote:

> Hi Ed
>
> * * * * *
>
> 4. Write read-write rules that map the attributes and their values to the
> FM properties and their values.
>
> * * * * *



>
> Roger
>
> Repatriated to the UK
>
>
> * * * * *
>>
>> I do not see a "Custom Ruling and Shading" EDD Rule that allows ruling
>> and shading to be defined for a cell based on a Context Rule such as
>> [class="cheader"].
>>
>> _Am I missing something?_
>>
>> * * * * *
>> _Any suggestions?_
>> _
>> _
>>   Ed Nodland
>>
>>
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Custom Ruling and Shading of Tables via xml and EDD rules

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I have XML files that include tables.  Some cells include a class such as:
td class=cheader Centered text with gray shading
td class=header Left justified text with gray shading
td class=cbody Centered text not shaded
td class=body Left justified text not shaded

I want to be able to open the XML file using FM10 and have the cells
formatted.

I do not see a Custom Ruling and Shading EDD Rule that allows ruling and
shading to be defined for a cell based on a Context Rule such as
[class=cheader].

*Am I missing something?*

It appears that using the table format styles are limited to an orderly set
of rulings and shadings rather than being totally custom or XML attribute
driven for specific rows or cells.

I can change the markup or take a totally different approach but I nered
the format to be driven by the XML data not manual activity in Framemaker
aftrer opening the XML file..

*Any suggestions?*
*
*
 Ed Nodland
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I have XML files that include tables.  Some cells include a class such as:
 Centered text with gray shading
 Left justified text with gray shading
 Centered text not shaded
 Left justified text not shaded

I want to be able to open the XML file using FM10 and have the cells
formatted.

I do not see a "Custom Ruling and Shading" EDD Rule that allows ruling and
shading to be defined for a cell based on a Context Rule such as
[class="cheader"].

*Am I missing something?*

It appears that using the table format styles are limited to an orderly set
of rulings and shadings rather than being totally custom or XML attribute
driven for specific rows or cells.

I can change the markup or take a totally different approach but I nered
the format to be driven by the XML data not manual activity in Framemaker
aftrer opening the XML file..

*Any suggestions?*
*
*
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Re: Embarrasing simple question - identifying current style

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Place the cursor, Click format, hover over the drop down options, and wait
a short moment.  A popup will show a check mark next to the Font, Size,
Style, Character, or Paragraph as you hover over them.  Or click format,
(Character or Paragraph), and the Designer, and the Designer panel will
come up with the style that is applied to the text at the cursor location.

Ed

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 We are now moving our documentation to Frame 11.

 ** One very basic task eludes me; how do I tell what style has been
 assigned to the selected text (or the paragraph where I’ve placed the
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Place the cursor, Click format, hover over the drop down options, and wait
a short moment.  A popup will show a check mark next to the Font, Size,
Style, Character, or Paragraph as you hover over them.  Or click format,
(Character or Paragraph), and the Designer, and the Designer panel will
come up with the style that is applied to the text at the cursor location.

Ed

On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Alastair Dent wrote:

>
> We are now moving our documentation to Frame 11.
>
> ** One very basic task eludes me; how do I tell what style has been
> assigned to the selected text (or the paragraph where I?ve placed the
> insertion cursor)?
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Re: Query about what happens in structured Frame

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Theresa,

I remember learning Frame for the first time in 2006. Many long days at the
PC that summer.  I went straight into structured Frame to print large
(1,200 page) XML documents to PDF for commercial printing. These documents
were already being transformed to HTML and another CD publishing format
called Folio Views that we have used since 1990.  I've slowly learned many
of the unstructured basics over the years, but it's mostly just open the
file in Frame, make a few image, table and page numbering adjustments and
click print.  If you are not familiar with XML, DTD, XHTML, XSLT, CSS, EDD
and Read/Write rules what you may need is a concept overview. Myself, I
find it difficult to request help or oversee a project if the terminology
does not fit together in my mind and flow off of my tongue freely.

We author, track, and translate documents using an in-house application
that stores the content in a SQL Server database. The data is exported out
of the database to a single XML file and transformed to XHTML for web
publishing, or opened directly into Frame and printed to a PDF file for
commercial printing of hardcopy books.

I am not looking for work and don't have time to teach you the details, but
I am willing to connect via a meeting app and show you the components of
the DB to XML/HTML to Frame process.

Ed Nodland


On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Theresa de Valence t...@bstw.com wrote:

 Hello Framers,

 I’m in need of some basic advice. I’ve been using Frame for 20 years but
 have not yet used structured Frame. My Frame is 8.0p273, Acrobat
 Professional is 10.1.7



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Query about what happens in structured Frame

[Ed Nodland]

Theresa,

I remember learning Frame for the first time in 2006. Many long days at the
PC that summer.  I went straight into structured Frame to print large
(1,200 page) XML documents to PDF for commercial printing. These documents
were already being transformed to HTML and another CD publishing format
called Folio Views that we have used since 1990.  I've slowly learned many
of the unstructured basics over the years, but it's mostly just open the
file in Frame, make a few image, table and page numbering adjustments and
click print.  If you are not familiar with XML, DTD, XHTML, XSLT, CSS, EDD
and Read/Write rules what you may need is a "concept" overview. Myself, I
find it difficult to request help or oversee a project if the terminology
does not fit together in my mind and flow off of my tongue freely.

We author, track, and translate documents using an in-house application
that stores the content in a SQL Server database. The data is exported out
of the database to a single XML file and transformed to XHTML for web
publishing, or opened directly into Frame and printed to a PDF file for
commercial printing of hardcopy books.

I am not looking for work and don't have time to teach you the details, but
I am willing to connect via a meeting app and show you the components of
the DB to XML/HTML to Frame process.

Ed Nodland


On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Theresa de Valence  wrote:

> Hello Framers,
>
> I?m in need of some basic advice. I?ve been using Frame for >20 years but
> have not yet used structured Frame. My Frame is 8.0p273, Acrobat
> Professional is 10.1.7
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OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Ed Nodland]

I think my response is far from the mission of this forum but the statement
below just hooked me, it is also a nice diversion from the daily work to
read all the responses, and I bet our thoughts trickle back into Adobe.

A previous post said:

The problem with customers is that they cost money to do business with.

Am I taking this out of context, or should I have it turned into a banner
that hangs near the front door or cash register.

The cost of customer management has a negative effect on share value.

I think it depends on a companies mission statement and core values.  Are
they still passionate about the product or service, or is has it become
just about the money.  I realize both forces at play and balance is
required to sustain business.

A new business model is emerging.  I've read a lot of pros and cons on this
thread. Some will prove to be real, adjustments will be made, business will
grow, decline or maybe fail.  In the perspective of things unfolding from
the creativity of the cosmos, I see this as another iteration towards cloud
computing, but rather than stepping to total cloud computing like Google
Docs/Drive where we don't have the software at all, it's just cloud
software delivery for now.  It is a systemic result that emerges from
individuals trying to make isolated business decisions based on, or
building on, ideas they see elsewhere.

I'm actually more interested in watching the open source concept grow into
an entirely new economy where the passion is about the product and the
money comes from some other offshoot, or like someone wrote about Oxygen
where the academic license allows some small scale usage while the money
comes in from other larger sources.  I think the economy is going to change
in the next 50 years in ways we can't even image due to the connectiveness
of the internet and access to free and low cost entertainment, education,
information, apps, and services.

I bet the large companies that highly control software versions like a
large aerospace firm I used to work for, medical device companies that
Craig mentioned, or other safety critical product companies, are going to
be busy figuring out how to work in this new model.

Ed
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OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Ed Nodland]

I think my response is far from the mission of this forum but the statement
below just hooked me, it is also a nice diversion from the daily work to
read all the responses, and I bet our thoughts trickle back into Adobe.

A previous post said:

"The problem with customers is that they cost money to do business with."

Am I taking this out of context, or should I have it turned into a banner
that hangs near the front door or cash register.

"The cost of customer management has a negative effect on share value."

I think it depends on a companies mission statement and core values.  Are
they still passionate about the product or service, or is has it become
just about the money.  I realize both forces at play and balance is
required to sustain business.

A new business model is emerging.  I've read a lot of pros and cons on this
thread. Some will prove to be real, adjustments will be made, business will
grow, decline or maybe fail.  In the perspective of things unfolding from
the creativity of the cosmos, I see this as another iteration towards cloud
computing, but rather than stepping to total cloud computing like Google
Docs/Drive where we don't have the software at all, it's just cloud
"software delivery" for now.  It is a systemic result that emerges from
individuals trying to make isolated business decisions based on, or
building on, ideas they see elsewhere.

I'm actually more interested in watching the open source concept grow into
an entirely new economy where the passion is about the product and the
money comes from some other offshoot, or like someone wrote about Oxygen
where the academic license allows some small scale usage while the money
comes in from other larger sources.  I think the economy is going to change
in the next 50 years in ways we can't even image due to the connectiveness
of the internet and access to free and low cost entertainment, education,
information, apps, and services.

I bet the large companies that highly control software versions like a
large aerospace firm I used to work for, medical device companies that
Craig mentioned, or other safety critical product companies, are going to
be busy figuring out how to work in this new model.

Ed
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Re: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?

[Ed Nodland]

If the problem you are having is the license expired bug this web page
will provide the patch to correct the problem.

http://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker/kb/cant-launch-framemaker-10.html

Ed





On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Matt Sullivan m...@mattrsullivan.comwrote:

 Here's the web page I was directed to…
 http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/avl-help.html


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 On Mar 21, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
 syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:

 Thanks, Matt.

 The last time I did this, I bought it at the Adobe web site (no vendors
 involved) …

 I did, indeed, go to licensing.adobe.com and log in, but for some reason,
 I cannot find the link to get to the renewal page for paying for it, etc.*
 ***

 Could it be a stupid browser issue? Meaning that I have to use IE or some
 such thing? This has happened to me recently with some other sites (I use
 Chrome) and getting to the links to pay and have the Javascript run
 properly needed to get there from IE!

 Z

 *From:* Matt Sullivan [mailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com]
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:07 AM
 *To:* Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
 *Cc:* framers@lists.frameusers.com
 *Subject:* Re: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance
 contract for FrameMaker?
 ** **
 Hi Z,

- Can you contact the vendor you used to purchase the contract?
- I get notices from Adobe directly to update the contract…did you get
the same?
- Did you log into licensing.adobe.com?


 -Matt
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 On Mar 21, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
 syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:


 

 Hi, all.
  
 For some reason, I am unable to find the link and information for renewing
 my maintenance for FrameMaker and Acrobat at the Adobe.comweb site.
  
 Maybe I am overlooking something obvious, but if anybody (Adobe personnel
 or otherwise) can send me a URL to go to, I’d greatly appreciate it!
  
 Thanks much,
  
 Z

  
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Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?

[Ed Nodland]

If the problem you are having is the "license" expired" bug this web page
will provide the patch to correct the problem.

http://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker/kb/cant-launch-framemaker-10.html

Ed





On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Matt Sullivan wrote:

> Here's the web page I was directed to?
> http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/avl-help.html
>
>
> -Matt
> Matt R. Sullivan
> *co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 
> 11
> *
> *P:* 714.960.6840 | *C:* 714.585.2335 | matt at mattrsullivan.com
>
> @mattrsullivan
>   
> LinkedIn
>   
> facebook
>   mattrsullivan.com
>
> On Mar 21, 2013, at 11:19 AM, "Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)"
>  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Matt.
>
> The last time I did this, I bought it at the Adobe web site (no vendors
> involved) ?
>
> I did, indeed, go to licensing.adobe.com and log in, but for some reason,
> I cannot find the link to get to the renewal page for paying for it, etc.*
> ***
>
> Could it be a stupid browser issue? Meaning that I have to use IE or some
> such thing? This has happened to me recently with some other sites (I use
> Chrome) and getting to the links to pay and have the Javascript run
> properly needed to get there from IE!
>
> Z
>
> *From:* Matt Sullivan [mailto:matt at mattrsullivan.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:07 AM
> *To:* Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
> *Cc:* framers at lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* Re: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance
> contract for FrameMaker?
> ** **
> Hi Z,
>
>- Can you contact the vendor you used to purchase the contract?
>- I get notices from Adobe directly to update the contract?did you get
>the same?
>- Did you log into licensing.adobe.com?
>
>
> -Matt
> *Matt R. Sullivan*
>
> *co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 
> 11
> *
> *P:* 714.960.6840 | *C:* 714.585.2335 | matt at mattrsullivan.com
>
>  
> @mattrsullivan
>   
> LinkedIn
>   
> facebook
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> ** **
> On Mar 21, 2013, at 11:01 AM, "Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)"
>  wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> Hi, all.
>  
> For some reason, I am unable to find the link and information for renewing
> my maintenance for FrameMaker and Acrobat at the Adobe.comweb site.
>  
> Maybe I am overlooking something obvious, but if anybody (Adobe personnel
> or otherwise) can send me a URL to go to, I?d greatly appreciate it!
>  
> Thanks much,
>  
> Z
>
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[Ed Nodland]

Well, it sounds like the jury is in, and it does not look good for FO


On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Scott Prentice  wrote:

>  Hi Ed...
>
> Yes .. the cost is definitely related to the complexity. If you have FO
> developers in-house, that will help a lot. The key is that you need a solid
> understanding of XSLT, plus you need to fully understand page layout
> concepts, and on top of that the FO language itself is huge and complex. If
> you want to learn FO, I highly recommend finding a way to take Ken Holman's
> class "Practical Formatting Using XSL-FO" (see
> http://www.cranesoftwrights.com/). This will give you a good solid base
> from which to start.
>
> A lot of XSLT developers think that they can also do FO development.
> That's where you run into trouble. There's a lot more involved.
>
> However .. regardless of your ability to create and maintain FO
> stylesheets, you can never achieve the same level of formatting with FO
> that you get from FM. You can get close, and if close is good enough (along
> with other benefits of FO), then FO can be a good solution.
>
> Cheers,
>
> ...scott
>
>
>  On 2/27/13 12:12 PM, Ed Nodland wrote:
>
> These are good inputs.
>
>  The "site:" for searching was new to me.  Thanks
>
>  I think I will stay with Framemaker and upgrade to version 11.  I hope
> Adobe improves the stability and UI issues as time goes on.
>
>  I am curious if the high cost of XSL-FO development is due to FO being
> more difficult then basic XSLT.  We program many XSLTs, some are complex
> that merge data from multiple XML files that contain coded data in tables,
> tables of descriptions of the coded data, header data, etc.  XSLT becomes a
> powerful programming language for text processing if it is written
> recursively like the old LISP language.  I agree this can be daunting, but
> maybe I could eat FO for breakfast.  I'll have to looking to it further
> when due dates don't get in my way.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Combs, Richard <
> richard.combs at polycom.com> wrote:
>
>>  Harro de Jong wrote:
>>
>> > > Also, I could not find the search capability on frameusers.com to
>> search
>> > older topics
>> > > by keyword other then the archive that looks like something out of
>> the 90's.
>> >  Am I
>> > > missing some capability somewhere?
>> >
>> >
>> > I use the search at
>> > < http://www.mail-archive.com/framers at lists.frameusers.com/info.html>
>>
>>  I use Google:  site:frameusers.com
>>
>> Richard G. Combs
>> Senior Technical Writer
>> Polycom, Inc.
>> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
>> 303-223-5111
>> --
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>> 303-903-6372
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Frame versus XSL-FO

[Ed Nodland]

These are good inputs.

The "site:" for searching was new to me.  Thanks

I think I will stay with Framemaker and upgrade to version 11.  I hope
Adobe improves the stability and UI issues as time goes on.

I am curious if the high cost of XSL-FO development is due to FO being more
difficult then basic XSLT.  We program many XSLTs, some are complex that
merge data from multiple XML files that contain coded data in tables,
tables of descriptions of the coded data, header data, etc.  XSLT becomes a
powerful programming language for text processing if it is written
recursively like the old LISP language.  I agree this can be daunting, but
maybe I could eat FO for breakfast.  I'll have to looking to it further
when due dates don't get in my way.


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Combs, Richard
wrote:

> Harro de Jong wrote:
>
> > > Also, I could not find the search capability on frameusers.com to
> search
> > older topics
> > > by keyword other then the archive that looks like something out of the
> 90's.
> >  Am I
> > > missing some capability somewhere?
> >
> >
> > I use the search at
> > < http://www.mail-archive.com/framers at lists.frameusers.com/info.html>
>
> I use Google:  site:frameusers.com
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-903-6372
> --
>
>
>
>
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Frame versus XSL-FO

[Ed Nodland]

I have been using Framemaker to produce two 1000 page publications every
October since 2006.  Now I am faced with two issues.

1) Clean up my XML, EDD and template file for full round trip capabilities;
and
2) Convert to a DITA structure prior to adding several other publications

The DITA community is leaning towards an editopr like OxygenXML and using
XSL-FO and a rendering package such as RenderX or Antenna House to produce
the PDF.

*I am interested in any opinions*.

Also, I could not find the search capability on frameusers.com to search
older topics by keyword other then the archive that looks like something
out of the 90's.  Am I missing some capability somewhere?

Thanks
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Re: Tables in rotated text frames unselectable?

[Ed Nodland]

In FM10 you can select Format  Customize Layout  Rotate {Clock/Counter}
 then do your editing.

Ed
San Diego Data Services


On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Christoph Korsmeier 
christoph.korsme...@werktext.eu wrote:

 **
  Hi everybody,

 I've designed an FM10 masterpage with a rotated text flow (90° ccw).
 (The client wanted to accomodate large landscape tables in a portrait
 document).

 Now when I apply this rotated masterpage to a body page, the tables on it
 can only be selected whole, e.g. I can't select single rows, cells, or
 text inside them.
 This is the same in structured and unstructured documents.
 I can select single row, cell and text elements using the structure view,
 but nothing otherwise.

 Is this a known bug in FrameMaker 10?
 Am I missing something else?
 Can anything be done to get it to work properly?

 Best regards
 i. A. Christoph Korsmeier

 Tel.-Durchwahl: 022 41 - 942 43 - 12
 E-Mail: christoph.korsme...@werktext.eu


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[Ed Nodland]

In FM10 you can select Format > Customize Layout > Rotate {Clock/Counter}
 then do your editing.

Ed
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On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Christoph Korsmeier <
christoph.korsmeier at werktext.eu> wrote:

> **
>  Hi everybody,
>
> I've designed an FM10 masterpage with a rotated text flow (90? ccw).
> (The client wanted to accomodate large landscape tables in a portrait
> document).
>
> Now when I apply this rotated masterpage to a body page, the tables on it
> can only be selected "whole", e.g. I can't select single rows, cells, or
> text inside them.
> This is the same in structured and unstructured documents.
> I can select single row, cell and text elements using the structure view,
> but nothing otherwise.
>
> Is this a known bug in FrameMaker 10?
> Am I missing something else?
> Can anything be done to get it to work properly?
>
> Best regards
> i. A. Christoph Korsmeier
>
> Tel.-Durchwahl: 022 41 - 942 43 - 12
> E-Mail: christoph.korsmeier at werktext.eu
>
>
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