RE: Syntax for if/then statement

[Jim Light]

Tammy,

It seems to me that and changes the meaning entirely!

When you say If A, then B. It means that if A occurs or exists, B will
follow or exist.

If you say If A, and then B. The sentence is rendered incomplete. It
makes B part of the original IF clause (I wouldn't use a comma when
anding two items) and leaves you hanging, waiting for the other shoe
to drop. If A and then B, then C will soon follow.

For example: If the new editor prevails, and then the boss buys into
it, then you have no choice but to type up your resume. 

Jim 

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Subject: OT: Syntax for if/then statement

All,

I am hoping the fellow writers on this list can provide some information

for this request. Another writer here at Jeppesen and I have always used

the following syntax for a conditional/causal statement: If blah,
blah, 
then blah, blah. We have a new editor that just joined who is in the 
process of defining our styles and standards. Obviously, everyone has an

opinion about what is right and what is wrong in editing . . .in
many 
cases,  it's so subjective. That said, when we have our editorial
meetings 
about defining our styles and standards, you need to be prepared with
some 
factual support for a certain type of style or standard - not just the 
emotional because we've always done it this way. Years ago, I had such
a 
reference for writing if/then statements this way - I don't remember
which 
manual I referenced. Our new editor wants to add the word and to such 
statements - if blah, blah, AND then blah, blah. Both I and the
other 
writer disagree with the editor on this one - it should be just if/then
- 
no and. I have tried for the life of me to find a documentation 
reference that would support this syntax (something like Sun's Read Me 
First guide, etc), and although I know I had one in the past, I can't
find 
it now. Googling only leads me to programming references - the thin
thread 
here would be since we are writing software documentation, if/then,
would 
make sense, since that's where the  if/then statement syntax was 
developed, but. . . . 

Any and all references/advice would be much appreciated.

TIA,

TVB 

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
303-328-4420
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Syntax for if/then statement

[Jim Light]

Tammy,

It seems to me that "and" changes the meaning entirely!

When you say "If A, then B." It means that if A occurs or exists, B will
follow or exist.

If you say "If A, and then B." The sentence is rendered incomplete. It
makes B part of the original IF clause (I wouldn't use a comma when
"anding" two items) and leaves you hanging, waiting for the other shoe
to drop. "If A and then B, then C will soon follow.

For example: "If the new editor prevails, and then the boss buys into
it, then you have no choice but to type up your resume." 

Jim 

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From: framers-bounces+jlight=pillardata@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jlight=pillardata.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Tammy.VanBoening at jeppesen.com
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:22 AM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: OT: Syntax for if/then statement

All,

I am hoping the fellow writers on this list can provide some information

for this request. Another writer here at Jeppesen and I have always used

the following syntax for a conditional/causal statement: If , 
then . We have a new editor that just joined who is in the 
process of defining our styles and standards. Obviously, everyone has an

opinion about what is "right" and what is "wrong" in editing . . .in
many 
cases,  it's so subjective. That said, when we have our editorial
meetings 
about defining our styles and standards, you need to be prepared with
some 
factual support for a certain type of style or standard - not just the 
emotional "because we've always done it this way." Years ago, I had such
a 
reference for writing if/then statements this way - I don't remember
which 
manual I referenced. Our new editor wants to add the word "and" to such 
statements - if , AND then . Both I and the
other 
writer disagree with the editor on this one - it should be just if/then
- 
no "and." I have tried for the life of me to find a documentation 
reference that would support this syntax (something like Sun's Read Me 
First guide, etc), and although I know I had one in the past, I can't
find 
it now. Googling only leads me to programming references - the thin
thread 
here would be since we are writing software documentation, if/then,
would 
make sense, since that's where the  if/then statement syntax was 
developed, but. . . . 

Any and all references/advice would be much appreciated.

TIA,

TVB 

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Jeppesen Sanderson, Inc.
303-328-4420
tammy.vanboening at jeppesen.com
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RE: Career advice--which application to focus on: FM or Word?

[Jim Light]

 ...would you advise them to seek out positions
 where they would be using FrameMaker, or would you tell them not to
 worry so much on which application would be used, but instead focus on
 the position and the work itself?

Mark,
Position and work and more important, depending on what you mean. The
key thing is that you know how to write clearly. The information should
flow into the reader's brain without them taking any particular notice
of the actual words or format.  

I understand that the tech writers at Microsoft use FrameMaker, which if
true, should be a clue. (Maybe that's an urban legend, but I'd like to
think it's true.) I started with Wang Word Processing, and have used
WordPerfect, vi, XyWrite, Ventura Publisher, and FrameMaker. I like
FrameMaker best, but the tool you use is not what makes you a good
writer, how well you write is.

Jim

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Subject: Career advice--which application to focus on: FM or Word?

Hello everyone,

   I would like some advice from anyone who has worked in the
technical writing field for more than 3 years. My question is this:

  If you knew someone who was looking to enter the technical
writing field at this time, would you advise them to seek out positions
where they would be using FrameMaker, or would you tell them not to
worry so much on which application would be used, but instead focus on
the position and the work itself?

  The reason I ask is that on various listservs I subscribe to,
it seems that most people are big FM advocates and are not too fond of
Word.
I've spent the last month trying to learn the basics of FM, and I can
see why people choose FM over Word when it comes to serious technical
writing.
Granted, there is a steep learning curve, but it *is* a lot more
versatile than Word.

  I'm moving away from a 17 year career as a technician and
engineer in the telecom field and I want to make sure my first step into
technical writing isn't a misstep. As a quick note, I have given the
career change quite a bit of thought, and went as far as completing a
technical writing program at Duke. Any and all advice is appreciated.


Thanks,

Andy
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Career advice--which application to focus on: FM or Word?

[Jim Light]

> ...would you advise them to seek out positions
> where they would be using FrameMaker, or would you tell them not to
> worry so much on which application would be used, but instead focus on
> the position and the work itself?

Mark,
Position and work and more important, depending on what you mean. The
key thing is that you know how to write clearly. The information should
flow into the reader's brain without them taking any particular notice
of the actual words or format.  

I understand that the tech writers at Microsoft use FrameMaker, which if
true, should be a clue. (Maybe that's an urban legend, but I'd like to
think it's true.) I started with Wang Word Processing, and have used
WordPerfect, vi, XyWrite, Ventura Publisher, and FrameMaker. I like
FrameMaker best, but the tool you use is not what makes you a good
writer, how well you write is.

Jim

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From: framers-bounces+mark.levitt=betfair@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+mark.levitt=betfair.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Andy Kelsall
Sent: 11 May 2006 16:40
To: Framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Career advice--which application to focus on: FM or Word?

Hello everyone,

   I would like some advice from anyone who has worked in the
technical writing field for more than 3 years. My question is this:

  If you knew someone who was looking to enter the technical
writing field at this time, would you advise them to seek out positions
where they would be using FrameMaker, or would you tell them not to
worry so much on which application would be used, but instead focus on
the position and the work itself?

  The reason I ask is that on various listservs I subscribe to,
it seems that most people are big FM advocates and are not too fond of
Word.
I've spent the last month trying to learn the basics of FM, and I can
see why people choose FM over Word when it comes to serious technical
writing.
Granted, there is a steep learning curve, but it *is* a lot more
versatile than Word.

  I'm moving away from a 17 year career as a technician and
engineer in the telecom field and I want to make sure my first step into
technical writing isn't a misstep. As a quick note, I have given the
career change quite a bit of thought, and went as far as completing a
technical writing program at Duke. Any and all advice is appreciated.


Thanks,

Andy
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Comparing Astoria to Vasont

[Jim Light]

Has anyone compared Astoria to Vasont as a CMS system appropriate for
use with Structured FrameMaker?

 

Any showstoppers for either? 

Any recommendations?

 

Thanks

 

Jim Light

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RE: Conversion Insets to SFM

[Jim Light]

Follow up?

All my insets are currently unstructured FrameMaker files. The
conversion would leave them as structured FrameMaker files, I suppose.
If so, that means that when I export the container file as XML all the
insets would be included within the XML.

TO get separate XML files on export, then after I convert all the insets
and container files to SFM, I need to export all the insets to XML and
then open the container files and redo each inset specifying the XML
file instead of the FM file. Then when I export the container file as
XML, all the XML insets remain separate XML files. Is that right?

So in terms of the Source-code control aspects of a content management
system, which files are the source files, the FM files or the XML files?
You can easily make either one from the other. Does it matter?

Thanks

Jim

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From: Lynne A. Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 9:56 AM
To: Jim Light; List, Framers
Subject: Re: Conversion Insets to SFM

At 08:30 AM 5/8/2006, Jim Light wrote:
I need to create a conversion table to convert a non-structured
document
to SFM. ... How does the conversion mechanism deal with insets?

Jim,
   Since text insets remain text insets when a document is structured,
the 
conversion table cannot change the imported content. In particular, it 
cannot specify an assignment of elements within them. It can wrap a new 
element around them. Use the code TI: in the first column of the
conversion 
table to specify text insets.

My second question is: When I save a structured file as XML, if the
file
contains a text inset, is this reference saved as a reference in the
XML
file or is the content of the inset sucked into the XML file (or do I
have a choice)?

That depends on the type of text inset. An XML text inset is saved as an

entity reference; other text insets are converted to text on export.

 --Lynne



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Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application
development, 
and training
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Comparing Astoria to Vasont

[Jim Light]

Has anyone compared Astoria to Vasont as a CMS system appropriate for
use with Structured FrameMaker?



Any showstoppers for either? 

Any recommendations?



Thanks



Jim Light

Conversion Insets to SFM

[Jim Light]

I need to create a conversion table to convert a non-structured document
to SFM. The files contain insets and I have not dealt with insets, yet,
so I have two questions:

I know that the spell checker and the Find/Change utility cannot search
insets, so I'm worried about how the conversion tool works with them. It
might pull them in, it might leave them as inset references, or it might
also ignore them. How does the conversion mechanism deal with insets?

My second question is: When I save a structured file as XML, if the file
contains a text inset, is this reference saved as a reference in the XML
file or is the content of the inset sucked into the XML file (or do I
have a choice)?

Thanks

Jim Light

Conversion Insets to SFM

[Jim Light]

Follow up?

All my insets are currently unstructured FrameMaker files. The
conversion would leave them as structured FrameMaker files, I suppose.
If so, that means that when I export the container file as XML all the
insets would be included within the XML.

TO get separate XML files on export, then after I convert all the insets
and container files to SFM, I need to export all the insets to XML and
then open the container files and redo each inset specifying the XML
file instead of the FM file. Then when I export the container file as
XML, all the XML insets remain separate XML files. Is that right?

So in terms of the "Source-code control" aspects of a content management
system, which files are the source files, the FM files or the XML files?
You can easily make either one from the other. Does it matter?

Thanks

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Lynne A. Price [mailto:lpr...@txstruct.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 9:56 AM
To: Jim Light; List, Framers
Subject: Re: Conversion Insets to SFM

At 08:30 AM 5/8/2006, Jim Light wrote:
>I need to create a conversion table to convert a non-structured
document
>to SFM. ... How does the conversion mechanism deal with insets?

Jim,
   Since text insets remain text insets when a document is structured,
the 
conversion table cannot change the imported content. In particular, it 
cannot specify an assignment of elements within them. It can wrap a new 
element around them. Use the code TI: in the first column of the
conversion 
table to specify text insets.

>My second question is: When I save a structured file as XML, if the
file
>contains a text inset, is this reference saved as a reference in the
XML
>file or is the content of the inset sucked into the XML file (or do I
>have a choice)?

That depends on the type of text inset. An XML text inset is saved as an

entity reference; other text insets are converted to text on export.

 --Lynne



Lynne A. Price
Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application
development, 
and training
lprice at txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com
voice/fax: (510) 583-1505  cell phone: (510) 421-2284 

A bug & note on using .png graphics....

[Jim Light]

So someone refresh my memory please, the advantage of using png files is
what?

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[mailto:framers-bounces+jlight=pillardata.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Anne Robotti
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 1:41 PM
To: Grant Hogarth; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: A bug & note on using .png graphics

> Sadly, FM "reads" the color list from pngs (and AFAIK, *only* 
> pngs), and adds the color definitions in the image file to 
> the list of available colors in the FM file.  It's very annoying. 

And don't forget that you can't delete them with the color definition
thing where you can delete every other color!

Anne



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RE: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)?

[Jim Light]

This is not a problem.

I have Visio 2003 (SP2) and it allows me to export as tif, gif, png. You
can check to see if the quality is a problem, but you don't have to do
that at all, really. You can import the vsd file as an object into
FrameMaker.

Click File  Import  Object.

In the Insert Object dialog, Select Create from File.

Browse to the vsd file , check the Link check box (if you want it to
update dynamically and then Click OK.

I have Frame 7.2. When I right-click on the Visio object, the bottom of
the right-click menu has a choice called Linked Visio Object and the
two sub menu items are Edit and Open.

If I double-click the embedded Visio object it opens it in Visio.

Jim Light

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:45 AM
To: framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)?

At 08:31 -0700 27/4/06, Guy K. Haas wrote:

But Visio 2003 does not offer .eps among its save-as options.  The most
desirable of the offerings (for line drawings) seem to be .gif, .png,
and .svg[z].  My guess would be .svg because it's vector.

Any guidance on
1. whether FrameMaker can embed Visio objects
2. if not, then what's the best format for embedding the graphic file.

Hi Guy

I went through some real pain on this a couple of years ago. From
memory, what we found was that:

. My understanding is that FrameMaker cannot embed .vsds

. Most of the export filers in Visio produced what one could politely
call 'visual artifacts'

. The specific deficiencies of the various export filters varied with
the revision of Visio in use

. The 'best' (used in a very relative sense) option was to export from
Visio as .emf, import .emf into Illustrator, touch up there, export as
.eps from Illustrator, and import the .eps into FrameMaker.

Two caveats:

. This was all on the Mac, and the situation on PC FrameMaker may be
different.

. Things may have improved in the interim (although I'm not hopeful)
-- 
Steve
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Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)?

[Jim Light]

This is not a problem.

I have Visio 2003 (SP2) and it allows me to export as tif, gif, png. You
can check to see if the quality is a problem, but you don't have to do
that at all, really. You can import the vsd file as an object into
FrameMaker.

Click File > Import > Object.

In the Insert Object dialog, Select Create from File.

Browse to the vsd file , check the Link check box (if you want it to
update dynamically and then Click OK.

I have Frame 7.2. When I right-click on the Visio object, the bottom of
the right-click menu has a choice called "Linked Visio Object" and the
two sub menu items are Edit and Open.

If I double-click the embedded Visio object it opens it in Visio.

Jim Light

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+jlight=pillardata@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jlight=pillardata.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:45 AM
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)?

At 08:31 -0700 27/4/06, Guy K. Haas wrote:

>But Visio 2003 does not offer .eps among its save-as options.  The most
desirable of the offerings (for line drawings) seem to be .gif, .png,
and .svg[z].  My guess would be .svg because it's vector.
>
>Any guidance on
>1. whether FrameMaker can embed Visio objects
>2. if not, then what's the best format for embedding the graphic file.

Hi Guy

I went through some real pain on this a couple of years ago. From
memory, what we found was that:

. My understanding is that FrameMaker cannot embed .vsds

. Most of the export filers in Visio produced what one could politely
call 'visual artifacts'

. The specific deficiencies of the various export filters varied with
the revision of Visio in use

. The 'best' (used in a very relative sense) option was to export from
Visio as .emf, import .emf into Illustrator, touch up there, export as
.eps from Illustrator, and import the .eps into FrameMaker.

Two caveats:

. This was all on the Mac, and the situation on PC FrameMaker may be
different.

. Things may have improved in the interim (although I'm not hopeful)
-- 
Steve
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RE: Text appearing in fm file, but not in pdf

[Jim Light]

Nathan,
I had this problem a short time ago.

The problem of vanishing table heading content is a bug in FrameMaker.
The workaround is to print to a PostScript file and then distill that.
It works like a charm.

The bug manifests itself when you have the combination of shaded cells,
PDF tagging is turned on in PDF setup, and you try to Save as PDF. I
need the shading and tagging, so I used the workaround. I assume that
turning off tagging or unshading would also work.

Jim


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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text appearing in fm file, but not in pdf

Hi everyone,

I'm using structured Framemaker 7.1, and I have a problem I know I 
solved a couple of years ago, but here it is again. New job, new 
template, same problem. I have some tables in my documents that 
incorporate shading. In my .fm file the the tables appear perfectly 
fine; however, when the file is converted to a .pdf, the text doesnt 
appear in some of the cells in which there is shading. I know this is 
just some formatting glitch, because I solved it before, but for the 
life of me I cant figure out how.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Regards

Nathan Cullen
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Text appearing in fm file, but not in pdf

[Jim Light]

Nathan,
I had this problem a short time ago.

The problem of vanishing table heading content is a bug in FrameMaker.
The workaround is to print to a PostScript file and then distill that.
It works like a charm.

The bug manifests itself when you have the combination of shaded cells,
PDF tagging is turned on in PDF setup, and you try to Save as PDF. I
need the shading and tagging, so I used the workaround. I assume that
turning off tagging or unshading would also work.

Jim


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Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:16 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text appearing in fm file, but not in pdf

Hi everyone,

I'm using structured Framemaker 7.1, and I have a problem I know I 
solved a couple of years ago, but here it is again. New job, new 
template, same problem. I have some tables in my documents that 
incorporate shading. In my .fm file the the tables appear perfectly 
fine; however, when the file is converted to a .pdf, the text doesnt 
appear in some of the cells in which there is shading. I know this is 
just some formatting glitch, because I solved it before, but for the 
life of me I cant figure out how.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Regards

Nathan Cullen
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RE: Updated: List of FrameMaker Bugs Issues / FrameMaker FAQ

[Jim Light]

Shlomo, 

Thanks for the link. At first I thought I was reading a list of bugs,
but then I noticed that it says this is a list of fixes. Is there a list
of known issues?

I see a list of Top issues at
http://www.adobe.com/support/products/framemaker.html.

Is that all there is?
Thanks

Jim

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Subject: Updated: List of FrameMaker Bugs  Issues / FrameMaker FAQ


The list of FrameMaker Bugs  Issues -- 
http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html -- has been updated significantly
in 
recent weeks.

The list covers FrameMaker versions 5.0-7.2. Many of the bugs/issues
listed 
under older versions also apply to later versions; specific items known
to 
have been fixed in later versions are marked as such.

Also updated: FrameMaker FAQ,
http://www.microtype.com/FrameMaker_FAQ.html

Please report inaccuracies or missing items. Your input and comments
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help make these lists more useful and current.


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Odd Page-down behavior

[Jim Light]

Sometimes when I open and start paging through a FrameMaker file, I'll
get several pages in, press Page Down and instead of getting the next
page, I'm taken back to the first page.

 

This isn't a huge problem, and I have never noticed any serious
consequences. It just happened again and I'm using the latest build
(7.2b158).

 

Is this just a quirk I should learn to love or can I prevent it?

 

Thanks.

 

Jim

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RE: Odd Page-down behavior

[Jim Light]

Thank you, Steve. This is what I needed to know.
Jim

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:03 AM
To: Jim Light
Cc: framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: Odd Page-down behavior

At 10:49 -0700 24/4/06, Jim Light wrote:

Sometimes when I open and start paging through a FrameMaker file, I'll
get several pages in, press Page Down and instead of getting the next
page, I'm taken back to the first page.

This isn't a huge problem, and I have never noticed any serious
consequences. It just happened again and I'm using the latest build
(7.2b158).

Is this just a quirk I should learn to love or can I prevent it?

Jim - as far as I can remember, this is a known bug caused by imported
EPS graphics that's been present since at least V 5. I don't seem to
have a note of the specific cause, or a workaround, other than turning
off graphics display when you don't need it.


If this is indeed the same bug, Rick Quattro has a plug-in that fixes
it. Here's his comments from last time round, to save him having to type
them in again ;-)

At 08:21 -0500 10/12/05, Rick Quatro wrote:

This is what I like to call FrameMaker's Scroll Back Bug. It is a
known bug explained by Adobe at

http://www.adobe.com/supportservice/custsupport/SOLUTIONS/1a1fe.htm

My automated solution for solving it is my RunaroundNone plugin. It is
Windows only, and I think you are on the Mac. If you have FrameScript
for the Mac, I can write a script that will basically duplicate its
functionality. For details on what needs to be changed in the document,
go to my Plugins page and click the RunaroundNone link. If you have to,
you can save your documents as MIF and fix them in the MIF code.

At 08:52 -0500 10/12/05, Rick Quatro wrote:

In the case of the Scroll Back Bug, the bottom line for fixing it is to
set the Runaround properties for imported graphics to Don't Run Around.
With a script, you can loop through all of the graphics in a document
(or book), and change the Runaround property. You can also do this by
changing the MIF file. You can search for this

RunaroundType Contour

and replace with

RunaroundType None

The other problem is that when you import a graphic, the Runaround
value is set to Run around Contour by default. A FrameScript event
script can be set to automatically change it to Don't Run Around
whenever you import a graphic. This prevents the problem from
reoccurring going forward.

-- 
Steve
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Updated: List of FrameMaker Bugs & Issues / FrameMaker FAQ

[Jim Light]

Shlomo, 

Thanks for the link. At first I thought I was reading a list of bugs,
but then I noticed that it says this is a list of fixes. Is there a list
of known issues?

I see a list of "Top issues" at
http://www.adobe.com/support/products/framemaker.html.

Is that all there is?
Thanks

Jim

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[mailto:framers-bounces+jlight=pillardata.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Shlomo Perets
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 4:02 AM
To: Framers at FrameUsers.com; framers at omsys.com; FrameSGML at 
yahoogroups.com
Subject: Updated: List of FrameMaker Bugs & Issues / FrameMaker FAQ


The list of FrameMaker Bugs & Issues -- 
http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html -- has been updated significantly
in 
recent weeks.

The list covers FrameMaker versions 5.0-7.2. Many of the bugs/issues
listed 
under older versions also apply to later versions; specific items known
to 
have been fixed in later versions are marked as such.

Also updated: FrameMaker FAQ,
http://www.microtype.com/FrameMaker_FAQ.html

Please report inaccuracies or missing items. Your input and comments
will 
help make these lists more useful and current.


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat



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Odd Page-down behavior

[Jim Light]

Sometimes when I open and start paging through a FrameMaker file, I'll
get several pages in, press Page Down and instead of getting the next
page, I'm taken back to the first page.



This isn't a huge problem, and I have never noticed any serious
consequences. It just happened again and I'm using the latest build
(7.2b158).



Is this just a quirk I should learn to love or can I prevent it?



Thanks.



Jim

Odd Page-down behavior

[Jim Light]

Thank you, Steve. This is what I needed to know.
Jim

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:03 AM
To: Jim Light
Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: Odd Page-down behavior

At 10:49 -0700 24/4/06, Jim Light wrote:

>Sometimes when I open and start paging through a FrameMaker file, I'll
>get several pages in, press Page Down and instead of getting the next
>page, I'm taken back to the first page.
>
>This isn't a huge problem, and I have never noticed any serious
>consequences. It just happened again and I'm using the latest build
>(7.2b158).
>
>Is this just a quirk I should learn to love or can I prevent it?

Jim - as far as I can remember, this is a known bug caused by imported
EPS graphics that's been present since at least V 5. I don't seem to
have a note of the specific cause, or a workaround, other than turning
off graphics display when you don't need it.


If this is indeed the same bug, Rick Quattro has a plug-in that fixes
it. Here's his comments from last time round, to save him having to type
them in again ;-)

At 08:21 -0500 10/12/05, Rick Quatro wrote:

>This is what I like to call FrameMaker's "Scroll Back Bug". It is a
known bug explained by Adobe at
>
>http://www.adobe.com/supportservice/custsupport/SOLUTIONS/1a1fe.htm
>
>My automated solution for solving it is my RunaroundNone plugin. It is
Windows only, and I think you are on the Mac. If you have FrameScript
for the Mac, I can write a script that will basically duplicate its
functionality. For details on what needs to be changed in the document,
go to my Plugins page and click the RunaroundNone link. If you have to,
you can save your documents as MIF and fix them in the MIF code.

At 08:52 -0500 10/12/05, Rick Quatro wrote:

>In the case of the Scroll Back Bug, the bottom line for fixing it is to
set the Runaround properties for imported graphics to Don't Run Around.
With a script, you can loop through all of the graphics in a document
(or book), and change the Runaround property. You can also do this by
changing the MIF file. You can search for this
>
>
>
>and replace with
>
>
>
>The other problem is that when you import a graphic, the Runaround
value is set to Run around Contour by default. A FrameScript event
script can be set to automatically change it to Don't Run Around
whenever you import a graphic. This prevents the problem from
reoccurring going forward.

-- 
Steve

RE: Framers Digest, Vol 6, Issue 13

[Jim Light]

I do not see that behavior. Here is what I just did:

I opened a container file and double-clicked a text inset.

I opened the text inset.

I selected a paragraph changed the paragraph tag definition to use a
completely different font. (Arial to Times New Roman) I updated the tag.

I added some random characters to the end of the graf to make sure the
changed Inset was in effect.

I saved the inset.

Back in the container file I double-clicked the inset and selected
Update Now.

My container file contains the same paragraph tag as the inset file. The
two fonts now disagree for this tag in the two files. The font in the
container file won.

I created a new tag in the inset The container file does not have this
tag at all. The tag appeared as I defined it in the inset and the
container file did not change it.

Does that help?

If you want the container file to control the formatting, make sure the
Inset and the container use exactly the same tag names.

Jim Light

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Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:52 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Framers Digest, Vol 6, Issue 13

Text Insets take on formatting of source document ALWAYS!

Has anyone noticed that unless you choose plain text, the imported text
inset will have the formatting of the document that you are importing
FROM
and not the one into which the text inset is going? 

I'm sure it used to work in Frame 6. Wow, it sure makes my life
difficult!!

Could someone else test and see if my findings are correct??

Much appreciated.

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Framers Digest, Vol 6, Issue 13

[Jim Light]

I do not see that behavior. Here is what I just did:

I opened a container file and double-clicked a text inset.

I opened the text inset.

I selected a paragraph changed the paragraph tag definition to use a
completely different font. (Arial to Times New Roman) I updated the tag.

I added some random characters to the end of the graf to make sure the
changed Inset was in effect.

I saved the inset.

Back in the container file I double-clicked the inset and selected
Update Now.

My container file contains the same paragraph tag as the inset file. The
two fonts now disagree for this tag in the two files. The font in the
container file won.

I created a new tag in the inset The container file does not have this
tag at all. The tag appeared as I defined it in the inset and the
container file did not change it.

Does that help?

If you want the container file to control the formatting, make sure the
Inset and the container use exactly the same tag names.

Jim Light

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+jlight=pillardata@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jlight=pillardata.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Joan Robins
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:52 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Framers Digest, Vol 6, Issue 13

Text Insets take on formatting of source document ALWAYS!

Has anyone noticed that unless you choose plain text, the imported text
inset will have the formatting of the document that you are importing
FROM
and not the one into which the text inset is going? 

I'm sure it used to work in Frame 6. Wow, it sure makes my life
difficult!!

Could someone else test and see if my findings are correct??

Much appreciated.

~~~
Joan Robins Consulting, Inc.
joan at joanrobins.com
~~~


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Content Management

[Jim Light]

Here's my problem:

 

Our company is not ready to invest in any sort of content management
system. We are a small startup and we don't have the budget of larger,
older companies. Yet we have a lot of text insets and graphics and stuff
that are begging for a way to catalog and manage. Is there some cheap
(free) CMS-like solution that will help get us started and then scale up
(or facilitate a transfer) later?

 

We already have SQL Server and Oracle in-house, so solutions that build
on those might work. We are too small for a solution that requires a lot
of additional IT support, so something us writers could set up and
administer would be helpful. We are not programmers, so roll-your-own
solutions requiring us to write scripts or programs won't work.

 

We have SharePoint, which might be better than nothing, but it seems to
change the name of the Frame file when it opens it and it copies each
file to a separate temporary directory when it opens it. So basically it
creates a total mess of a Frame book. I didn't even bother to see if it
could keep a bunch of customizable metadata.

 

Presumably, someone else has had this challenge...

 

Any thoughts?

 

Thanks

Jim Light

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RE: Vanishing Table Heading Cells

[Jim Light]

Rebecca,
I appreciate your taking the time to answer. However, Shlomo suggested
that this is a bug in FrameMaker and his workaround (print to a
PostScript file and distill that) worked like a charm.

The bug manifests itself when you have the combination of shaded cells,
PDF tagging is turned on in PDF setup, and you save as PDF. I need the
shading and tagging, so I used the workaround. I assume that turning off
tagging or unshading would work.

Thanks, Shlomo.
Thanks, Rebecca.
Thanks, Framers.

-Original Message-
From: rebecca officer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 3:00 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Jim Light
Subject: Re: Vanishing Table Heading Cells

Could be the good old graphic print quality problem that causes random
text drop-out in PDFs. 

In Windows, open Properties for the Distiller / Adobe PDF printer
driver. On the general tab, click Printing Preferences, then Advanced.
Change Graphic Print Quality to 300 dpi. Click OK till you're back at
the Properties dialog. Then go to the Advanced tab. Click Printing
Defaults, then Advanced. Change that one to 300 dpi too.

If 300 dpi fixes the problem, try 600 dpi. That works for most people
(but not us). The setting is something to do with the granularity of
text placement, nothing to do with the dpi for graphics.

Cheers, Rebecca

 Jim Light [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/04/06 10:40:42 
The text is fine in FM.
The properties of the text in the PDF are the same for the invisible
text as for the visible text. (!!!)

I tried re-importing table definitions, but that didn't help.

I copied the text to a new template and that didn't help.

I made a copy of a good table and copied the body rows into it. (These
tables have the same heading rows, so I can use a good one and just
change the body rows). This worked twice and then it didn't work. About
half of my table collection has this weird problem. 

At this point I am copying a good one and using it to recreate a bad one
over and over until they are all OK.

What on Earth is going on???

Jim

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From: Combs, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:28 PM
To: Jim Light; framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Subject: RE: (no subject)

Jim Light wrote: 

 I have a problem that is making me crazy. There are a few 
 seemingly-random table heading cells whose text does not show 
 up in the PDF.

Just to be clear: the text is fine in FM, it just disappears in the PDF?

 * I tried using the text editing tool in Acrobat, but the text I
 type in is invisible. 

With the TouchUp Text Tool selected, click in or select the invisible
text, right-click, and select Properties. Take a look at the info on the
Text tab, especially the font and fill. See if that gives you any hints.


shrug /Can it wait until Monday? It's almost beer-thirty here. ;-)

Richard


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RE: Vanishing Table Heading Cells

[Jim Light]

Anne,
I did not try that. I don't use that driver, and frankly I'm not sure
whether it generates a PDF file or a PS file or what. To generate the
Color PS file, I installed an HP Color LaserJet Postscript printer
driver, which Windows XP can do just from its own internal collection of
printer drivers. Any color PS driver will do, I think.

I would say that you should definitely keep an eye out for empty shaded
cells in the PDF. For me it was just the first column heading cells. (We
only shade heading cells.) No other column cells were affected and this
did not occur in every table!

Not only that, I tried copying one of the good tables and using it as a
template for a bad table by copying the bad table's body rows into it.
The heading rows were otherwise identical. Strangely, this sometimes
worked (and sometimes not!). Thus, there must be more to the bug than my
simple explanation.

Shlomo suggested I See http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html#FM71 for
more info and sample files.
(Note: this problem is listed under FM7.1 but applies to FM7.2 as well. 
Generally, bugs listed under a specific FM release apply to later
versions, unless indicated otherwise).

I assume that turning tagging off in your PDF setup will also solve the
problem. You don't necessarily need to tag your PDF files. I happen to
be generating PDFs where I want users to be able to copy a table as a
table, and tagging the file enables that.

There may be other workarounds that I have not tried. For example, if
you have Acrobat Professional I think you can generate the tags on an
otherwise untagged PDF file, thus dodging the FrameMaker bug.

Good luck.

Jim


-Original Message-
From: Anne Robotti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:14 AM
To: Jim Light; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Vanishing Table Heading Cells

 The bug manifests itself when you have the combination of shaded
cells,
 PDF tagging is turned on in PDF setup, and you save as PDF. I need the
 shading and tagging, so I used the workaround. I assume that turning
off
 tagging or unshading would work.

Does the bug also manifest itself when you print to the Adobe PDF print
driver, rather than going through the postscript step? Or is that what
you mean by Save As PDF?

My tables are shaded, I want to know if I should watch out for this bug.

Thanks,

Anne
 


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Vanishing Table Heading Cells

[Jim Light]

Rebecca,
I appreciate your taking the time to answer. However, Shlomo suggested
that this is a bug in FrameMaker and his workaround (print to a
PostScript file and distill that) worked like a charm.

The bug manifests itself when you have the combination of shaded cells,
PDF tagging is turned on in PDF setup, and you save as PDF. I need the
shading and tagging, so I used the workaround. I assume that turning off
tagging or unshading would work.

Thanks, Shlomo.
Thanks, Rebecca.
Thanks, Framers.

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Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 3:00 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Jim Light
Subject: Re: Vanishing Table Heading Cells

Could be the good old graphic print quality problem that causes random
text drop-out in PDFs. 

In Windows, open Properties for the Distiller / Adobe PDF printer
driver. On the general tab, click Printing Preferences, then Advanced.
Change Graphic Print Quality to 300 dpi. Click OK till you're back at
the Properties dialog. Then go to the Advanced tab. Click Printing
Defaults, then Advanced. Change that one to 300 dpi too.

If 300 dpi fixes the problem, try 600 dpi. That works for most people
(but not us). The setting is something to do with the granularity of
text placement, nothing to do with the dpi for graphics.

Cheers, Rebecca

>>> "Jim Light"  8/04/06 10:40:42 >>>
The text is fine in FM.
The properties of the text in the PDF are the same for the invisible
text as for the visible text. (!!!)

I tried re-importing table definitions, but that didn't help.

I copied the text to a new template and that didn't help.

I made a copy of a good table and copied the body rows into it. (These
tables have the same heading rows, so I can use a good one and just
change the body rows). This worked twice and then it didn't work. About
half of my table collection has this weird problem. 

At this point I am copying a good one and using it to recreate a bad one
over and over until they are all OK.

What on Earth is going on???

Jim

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From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:28 PM
To: Jim Light; framers at lists.frameusers.com 
Subject: RE: (no subject)

Jim Light wrote: 

> I have a problem that is making me crazy. There are a few 
> seemingly-random table heading cells whose text does not show 
> up in the PDF.

Just to be clear: the text is fine in FM, it just disappears in the PDF?

> * I tried using the text editing tool in Acrobat, but the text I
> type in is invisible. 

With the TouchUp Text Tool selected, click in or select the "invisible"
text, right-click, and select Properties. Take a look at the info on the
Text tab, especially the font and fill. See if that gives you any hints.


Can it wait until Monday? It's almost beer-thirty here. ;-)

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Vanishing Table Heading Cells

[Jim Light]

Anne,
I did not try that. I don't use that driver, and frankly I'm not sure
whether it generates a PDF file or a PS file or what. To generate the
Color PS file, I installed an HP Color LaserJet Postscript printer
driver, which Windows XP can do just from its own internal collection of
printer drivers. Any color PS driver will do, I think.

I would say that you should definitely keep an eye out for empty shaded
cells in the PDF. For me it was just the first column heading cells. (We
only shade heading cells.) No other column cells were affected and this
did not occur in every table!

Not only that, I tried copying one of the good tables and using it as a
"template" for a bad table by copying the bad table's body rows into it.
The heading rows were otherwise identical. Strangely, this sometimes
worked (and sometimes not!). Thus, there must be more to the bug than my
simple explanation.

Shlomo suggested I "See http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html#FM71 for
more info and sample files.
(Note: this problem is listed under FM7.1 but applies to FM7.2 as well. 
Generally, bugs listed under a specific FM release apply to later
versions, unless indicated otherwise)."

I assume that turning tagging off in your PDF setup will also solve the
problem. You don't necessarily need to tag your PDF files. I happen to
be generating PDFs where I want users to be able to copy a table as a
table, and tagging the file enables that.

There may be other workarounds that I have not tried. For example, if
you have Acrobat Professional I think you can generate the tags on an
otherwise untagged PDF file, thus dodging the FrameMaker bug.

Good luck.

Jim


-Original Message-
From: Anne Robotti [mailto:arobo...@journalregister.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:14 AM
To: Jim Light; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Vanishing Table Heading Cells

> The bug manifests itself when you have the combination of shaded
cells,
> PDF tagging is turned on in PDF setup, and you save as PDF. I need the
> shading and tagging, so I used the workaround. I assume that turning
off
> tagging or unshading would work.

Does the bug also manifest itself when you print to the Adobe PDF print
driver, rather than going through the postscript step? Or is that what
you mean by Save As PDF?

My tables are shaded, I want to know if I should watch out for this bug.

Thanks,

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[Jim Light]

I have a problem that is making me crazy. There are a few
seemingly-random table heading cells whose text does not show up in the
PDF.

 

*   In most cases I cloned the tables, so nothing (much) is
different between them, except that one of the table heading cells does
not show up in one of these. For all of these the actual cell text is
the same in both the good and bad tables. 
*   I have tried restarting the computer and regenerating the PDF,
but that does not help. 
*   I tried changing the tags, but that doesn't make any difference.
I made sure they are the same as in the cells that show and that does
not help. 
*   I tried using the text editing tool in Acrobat, but the text I
type in is invisible. 
*   Some headings are straddled, some are not. It doesn't matter
some of each are invisible. 

 

What is going on here? 

 

Thanks

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Vanishing Table Heading Cells

[Jim Light]

The text is fine in FM.
The properties of the text in the PDF are the same for the invisible
text as for the visible text. (!!!)

I tried re-importing table definitions, but that didn't help.

I copied the text to a new template and that didn't help.

I made a copy of a good table and copied the body rows into it. (These
tables have the same heading rows, so I can use a good one and just
change the body rows). This worked twice and then it didn't work. About
half of my table collection has this weird problem. 

At this point I am copying a good one and using it to recreate a bad one
over and over until they are all OK.

What on Earth is going on???

Jim

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To: Jim Light; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: (no subject)

Jim Light wrote: 

 I have a problem that is making me crazy. There are a few 
 seemingly-random table heading cells whose text does not show 
 up in the PDF.

Just to be clear: the text is fine in FM, it just disappears in the PDF?

 * I tried using the text editing tool in Acrobat, but the text I
 type in is invisible. 

With the TouchUp Text Tool selected, click in or select the invisible
text, right-click, and select Properties. Take a look at the info on the
Text tab, especially the font and fill. See if that gives you any hints.


shrug /Can it wait until Monday? It's almost beer-thirty here. ;-)

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(no subject)

[Jim Light]

I have a problem that is making me crazy. There are a few
seemingly-random table heading cells whose text does not show up in the
PDF.



*   In most cases I cloned the tables, so nothing (much) is
different between them, except that one of the table heading cells does
not show up in one of these. For all of these the actual cell text is
the same in both the good and bad tables. 
*   I have tried restarting the computer and regenerating the PDF,
but that does not help. 
*   I tried changing the tags, but that doesn't make any difference.
I made sure they are the same as in the cells that show and that does
not help. 
*   I tried using the text editing tool in Acrobat, but the text I
type in is invisible. 
*   Some headings are straddled, some are not. It doesn't matter
some of each are invisible. 



What is going on here? 



Thanks

Jim Light

Vanishing Table Heading Cells

[Jim Light]

The text is fine in FM.
The properties of the text in the PDF are the same for the invisible
text as for the visible text. (!!!)

I tried re-importing table definitions, but that didn't help.

I copied the text to a new template and that didn't help.

I made a copy of a good table and copied the body rows into it. (These
tables have the same heading rows, so I can use a good one and just
change the body rows). This worked twice and then it didn't work. About
half of my table collection has this weird problem. 

At this point I am copying a good one and using it to recreate a bad one
over and over until they are all OK.

What on Earth is going on???

Jim

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From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:28 PM
To: Jim Light; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: (no subject)

Jim Light wrote: 

> I have a problem that is making me crazy. There are a few 
> seemingly-random table heading cells whose text does not show 
> up in the PDF.

Just to be clear: the text is fine in FM, it just disappears in the PDF?

> * I tried using the text editing tool in Acrobat, but the text I
> type in is invisible. 

With the TouchUp Text Tool selected, click in or select the "invisible"
text, right-click, and select Properties. Take a look at the info on the
Text tab, especially the font and fill. See if that gives you any hints.


Can it wait until Monday? It's almost beer-thirty here. ;-)

Richard


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RE: Versioning software

[Jim Light]

I like Perforce, too.
 Jim Light

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We used to use SourceSafe and CVS. They were okay. Then the company
changed
to Perforce, which I found so much easier to use and was a lot more
user-friendly.

Catherine

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I like CVS. 


Thanks,

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Hi, Kevin -

We do use SourceSafe, not only for the fm files, but all the project and
related files as well. It does have it's quirks, but seems to work well
for us.

hth 


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What do you all like to use to backup and version your frame files?

Is Source Safe an industry favorite?

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I like Perforce, too.
 Jim Light

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We used to use SourceSafe and CVS. They were okay. Then the company
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Catherine

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Hi, Kevin -

We do use SourceSafe, not only for the fm files, but all the project and
related files as well. It does have it's quirks, but seems to work well
for us.

hth 


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What do you all like to use to backup and version your frame files?

Is Source Safe an industry favorite?

Kevin




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IndexGroup Titles

[Jim Light]

I would like to generate a PDF that does not show each letter of the
alphabet in the bookmarks under Index.

The FrameMaker template automatically generates the GroupTitlesIX
paragraph tag, which is fine, but the PDF bookmark feature does not let
you opt out of displaying it as a bookmark. I have to delete the
paragraph tag from the FrameMaker Index file every time I regenerate in
order to keep the pesky things out of the PDF bookmark list.

I'm disappointed in Adobe. It seems to me that this is the kind of trick
Microsoft Word would pull: Assume it knows what you want, force it on
you in a way that's different from any other tag, and then violate its
own methodology by handling it differently in the PDF. Is there any way
that I can kill this without having a post-processing chore after every
FrameMaker book generation?

Thanks.

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RE: IndexGroup Titles

[Jim Light]

I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't clear enough.

The GroupTitlesIX paragraph tag does not appear in the PDF setup dialog
at all. It is not part of our FrameMaker template. If you remove it from
the Reference page, FrameMaker puts it back. If you remove it from the
paragraph catalog, FrameMaker puts it back. I cannot find a way to purge
it from FrameMaker.

If it is present in the FrameMaker index file paragraph catalog when you
generate your PDF, it appears in the bookmark list of the finished PDF
even though it does NOT appear in the PDF Settings dialog at all. There
is NO WAY to tell Acrobat to not use this, unless you delete the tag
from the paragraph catalog before you generate the PDF. You don't even
have to delete the actual tagged paragraphs. They can remain, tagged
with the GroupTitlesIX tag, they appear in the printed and PDF versions.
As long as the tag is removed from the catalog you can have the letters
in the index without having them in the PDF Bookmarks list.

Is that clearer?

Am I the only person for whom this behavior manifests itself? Yikes!

Thanks

Jim

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 Can't you move the GroupTitlesIX paragraph from the Include list in
the
 Bookmarks tab of the PDF Setup dialog box?

That will fix it, but it brings up an interesting point. I always
include the same paragraph types in my bookmarks. Never a variation,
I've been modifying basically the same templates since I created them 15
years ago.

Isn't there any way to change the defaults on the Include list? It's
always such a weird mix of paragraph tags.

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RE: IndexGroup Titles

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To see a PDF Setup for the Index I must PDF just that file, I guess. So
I did that and GroupTitlesIX was not in the list of included tags. It
was in the list of excluded tags; a key difference! 

So I generated the PDF for the index by itself and then closed the
FrameMaker index file and saved it. I deleted the index PDF.

When I regenerated the book and PDF'd it, the offending GroupTitlesIX
bookmarks were not there. Yahoo! (Or Yippee! If Yahoo is trademarked.)

There is something about this that still strikes me as a Wordish dirty
trick. I was unable to find this in the FrameMaker documentation. That
doesn't mean it isn't there, but still...

Anyway, thanks a lot for the tip.

Jim

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To: Jim Light; framers@frameusers.com
Subject: RE: IndexGroup Titles

Are you looking at the PDF Setup dialog at the book level only?

The book-level PDF Setup list of paragraph tags does not include
the tags that are specific to the generated files.

For generated files, you need to set the file-level PDF Setup from
the individual file's window rather than the book window.

One of the undocumented behaviors of FrameMaker and Acrobat
is that paragraph tags that are set to be picked up as bookmarks
in individual files are picked up in addition to the tags that are set
on the book level. You can globally add more tags from the book-
level PDF Setup dialog, but any additional tags that have been
added on the file level will remain until you delete them at the
file level.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
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Subject: RE: IndexGroup  Titles
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:19:23 -0800

I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't clear enough.

The GroupTitlesIX paragraph tag does not appear in the PDF setup dialog
at all. It is not part of our FrameMaker template. If you remove it
from
the Reference page, FrameMaker puts it back. If you remove it from the
paragraph catalog, FrameMaker puts it back. I cannot find a way to
purge
it from FrameMaker.

If it is present in the FrameMaker index file paragraph catalog when
you
generate your PDF, it appears in the bookmark list of the finished PDF
even though it does NOT appear in the PDF Settings dialog at all. There
is NO WAY to tell Acrobat to not use this, unless you delete the tag
from the paragraph catalog before you generate the PDF. You don't even
have to delete the actual tagged paragraphs. They can remain, tagged
with the GroupTitlesIX tag, they appear in the printed and PDF
versions.
As long as the tag is removed from the catalog you can have the letters
in the index without having them in the PDF Bookmarks list.

Is that clearer?

Am I the only person for whom this behavior manifests itself? Yikes!

Thanks

Jim

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Subject: RE: IndexGroup Titles

  Can't you move the GroupTitlesIX paragraph from the Include list in
the
  Bookmarks tab of the PDF Setup dialog box?

That will fix it, but it brings up an interesting point. I always
include the same paragraph types in my bookmarks. Never a variation,
I've been modifying basically the same templates since I created them
15
years ago.

Isn't there any way to change the defaults on the Include list? It's
always such a weird mix of paragraph tags.

Anne



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IndexGroup Titles

[Jim Light]

I would like to generate a PDF that does not show each letter of the
alphabet in the bookmarks under Index.

The FrameMaker template automatically generates the GroupTitlesIX
paragraph tag, which is fine, but the PDF bookmark feature does not let
you opt out of displaying it as a bookmark. I have to delete the
paragraph tag from the FrameMaker Index file every time I regenerate in
order to keep the pesky things out of the PDF bookmark list.

I'm disappointed in Adobe. It seems to me that this is the kind of trick
Microsoft Word would pull: Assume it knows what you want, force it on
you in a way that's different from any other tag, and then violate its
own methodology by handling it differently in the PDF. Is there any way
that I can kill this without having a post-processing chore after every
FrameMaker book generation?

Thanks.

Jim Light

IndexGroup Titles

[Jim Light]

I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't clear enough.

The GroupTitlesIX paragraph tag does not appear in the PDF setup dialog
at all. It is not part of our FrameMaker template. If you remove it from
the Reference page, FrameMaker puts it back. If you remove it from the
paragraph catalog, FrameMaker puts it back. I cannot find a way to purge
it from FrameMaker.

If it is present in the FrameMaker index file paragraph catalog when you
generate your PDF, it appears in the bookmark list of the finished PDF
even though it does NOT appear in the PDF Settings dialog at all. There
is NO WAY to tell Acrobat to not use this, unless you delete the tag
from the paragraph catalog before you generate the PDF. You don't even
have to delete the actual tagged paragraphs. They can remain, tagged
with the GroupTitlesIX tag, they appear in the printed and PDF versions.
As long as the tag is removed from the catalog you can have the letters
in the index without having them in the PDF Bookmarks list.

Is that clearer?

Am I the only person for whom this behavior manifests itself? Yikes!

Thanks

Jim

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+jlight=pillardata@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jlight=pillardata.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Anne Robotti
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:57 AM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: RE: IndexGroup Titles

> Can't you move the GroupTitlesIX paragraph from the Include list in
the
> Bookmarks tab of the PDF Setup dialog box?

That will fix it, but it brings up an interesting point. I always
include the same paragraph types in my bookmarks. Never a variation,
I've been modifying basically the same templates since I created them 15
years ago.

Isn't there any way to change the defaults on the Include list? It's
always such a weird mix of paragraph tags.

Anne



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