Conditional text not removing extraneous pages

[karyn hunt]

Hi,
 
  I'm using conditional text to single source from one doc to another. 
Specifically, I'm referencing a file from one book into another and removing 
several sections by conditioning them out. This leaves several pages empty. In 
one circumstance, the book/PDF automatically removes the extra pages when I run 
the PDF. In another case, it doesn't. Why is one leaving extra pages and 
another isn't? And how do I fix this?
 
Karyn






 
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RE: Conditional text not removing extraneous pages

[karyn hunt]

I got the answer: There was one page where a callout circle in a screenshot had 
extended beyond the anchored frame by a fraction of an inch. That was causing 
the page (and all previous pages) to show. Once we moved that callout circle 
back within its boundaries, everything went fine.
 
Thanks to Rick Quatro for catching that little gotcha.
 
Karyn 

 Subject: RE: Conditional text not removing extraneous pages Date: Fri, 29 
 Aug 2008 16:19:26 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
 framers@lists.frameusers.com  karyn hunt wrote:   I'm using conditional 
 text to single source from one doc to another.  Specifically, I'm 
 referencing a file from one book into another and  removing several 
 sections by conditioning them out. This leaves several  pages empty. In 
 one circumstance, the book/PDF automatically removes the  extra pages when 
 I run the PDF. In another case, it doesn't. Why is one  leaving extra 
 pages and another isn't? And how do I fix this?  I'm not sure what you're 
 doing, but if empty pages aren't being deleted when you save or print, it's 
 usually because you've told FM not to. :-)   In the file with the 
 persistent empty pages, select Format  Page Layout  Pagination. In the 
 dialog box, Before Saving  Printing is probably set to Don't Change Page 
 Count. Pick some
 thing else (what depends on whether your doc is single or double sided and 
which side the next chapter should start on).   The other possibility is 
that the empty pages are using custom master pages. FM will only delete empty 
pages based on the default Left and Right master pages.  If it's neither of 
those, then I'm not sure what's going on.   HTH! Richard   Richard G. 
Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT 
polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 
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Conditional text not removing extraneous pages

[karyn hunt]

Hi,

  I'm using conditional text to single source from one doc to another. 
Specifically, I'm referencing a file from one book into another and removing 
several sections by conditioning them out. This leaves several pages empty. In 
one circumstance, the book/PDF automatically removes the extra pages when I run 
the PDF. In another case, it doesn't. Why is one leaving extra pages and 
another isn't? And how do I fix this?

Karyn

Conditional text not removing extraneous pages

[karyn hunt]

I got the answer: There was one page where a callout circle in a screenshot had 
extended beyond the anchored frame by a fraction of an inch. That was causing 
the page (and all previous pages) to show. Once we moved that callout circle 
back within its boundaries, everything went fine.

Thanks to Rick Quatro for catching that little gotcha.

Karyn 

> Subject: RE: Conditional text not removing extraneous pages> Date: Fri, 29 
> Aug 2008 16:19:26 -0600> From: richard.combs at Polycom.com> To: karyn_hunt 
> at hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com> > karyn hunt wrote:> > > I'm 
> using conditional text to single source from one doc to another.> > 
> Specifically, I'm referencing a file from one book into another and> > 
> removing several sections by conditioning them out. This leaves> several> > 
> pages empty. In one circumstance, the book/PDF automatically removes> the> > 
> extra pages when I run the PDF. In another case, it doesn't. Why is> one> > 
> leaving extra pages and another isn't? And how do I fix this?> > I'm not sure 
> what you're doing, but if empty pages aren't being deleted> when you save or 
> print, it's usually because you've told FM not to. :-) > > In the file with 
> the persistent empty pages, select Format > Page Layout> > Pagination. In the 
> dialog box, Before Saving & Printing is probably> set to Don't Change Page 
> Count. Pick something else (what depends on> whether your doc is single or 
> double sided and which side the next> chapter should start on). > > The other 
> possibility is that the empty pages are using custom master> pages. FM will 
> only delete empty pages based on the default Left and> Right master pages.> > 
> If it's neither of those, then I'm not sure what's going on. > > HTH!> 
> Richard> > > Richard G. Combs> Senior Technical Writer> Polycom, Inc.> 
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom> 303-223-5111> --> rgcombs AT 
> gmailDOTcom> 303-777-0436> --> > > > > 

Missing leader lines in TOC

[karyn hunt]

Hi All,
 
  We have a TOC that has always worked fine in the past. We just added a new 
paragraph tag to the template that won't pick up the leader lines in the way 
other, similar paragraph tags do. We're searching for a solution.
 
   More details:
 
   We have the typical setup of H1_Heading1, H2_Heading2, H3_Heading3, etc. For 
each of those levels we also have headers that start on the top of a page, 
headers that we use for the TOC, etc. For example: H1TOP_Heading1TopofPage and 
H1TOC_Heading1TOC. To date, all of those tags have functioned perfectly in our 
TOC. 
 
   So far, so good, right?
 
   Last night, we added H2T1_Heading2Topic1, which has all the same settings as 
the other header tags except that when used in WebWorks ePublisherPro, it 
breaks to a new topic. (That's a long story about how we set up and executed on 
our print template.) In fact, we basically copied an existing H2 tag and then 
in WebWorks, gave it its special designation. So as far as FrameMaker is 
concerned, it's the same tag, with all the same settings as H2_Heading2 (which 
works in the TOC), except that it has a different name and different WebWorks 
settings.
 
   Now, when we run the TOC, all the other headings get their leader lines in 
the TOC, but the new H2T1_Heading2Topic1 entry doesn't.
 
   Why?
 
   I've done a side-by-side comparison of the two tags and see no difference.
 
   The only hint I can give you is in the reference page. If I generate two 
TOCs side by side, the bad TOC (*with* the new tag) generates an additional two 
lines whereas the good TOC (*without* the new tag) does not. 
 
   Specifically (ignore indents, which didn't translate well during copy and 
paste):
 
   Bad TOC:
 
$paratext $pagenum
$paratext $pagenum
paratext  $pagenum
openObjectId $relfilename:$ObjectType $ObjectId
CC_ContentsChapterChapter $paranum $paratextDefault Para Font $pagenum
CC_ContentsChapter$paratextDefault Para Font $pagenum
CC_ContentsChapterAppendix $paranum $paratextDefault Para Font 
$pagenum
$paratext $pagenum
$paratext $pagenum
$paratext $pagenum
$paratext $pagenum
$paratext $pagenum
$paratext $pagenum
$paratext $pagenum
$paratext $pagenum


 
   Good TOC:
 
openObjectId $relfilename:$ObjectType $ObjectId
CC_ContentsChapterChapter $paranum $paratextDefault Para Font $pagenum
CC_ContentsChapter$paratextDefault Para Font $pagenum
CC_ContentsChapterAppendix $paranum $paratextDefault Para Font 
$pagenum
$paratext $pagenum
$paratext $pagenum
$paratext $pagenum
$paratext $pagenum
$paratext $pagenum
$paratext $pagenum
 
Is the initial $paratext $pagenum any indication of what's going wrong? Or 
does anybody else have any ideas?
 
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Missing leader lines in TOC

[karyn hunt]

Hi All,

  We have a TOC that has always worked fine in the past. We just added a new 
paragraph tag to the template that won't pick up the leader lines in the way 
other, similar paragraph tags do. We're searching for a solution.

   More details:

   We have the typical setup of H1_Heading1, H2_Heading2, H3_Heading3, etc. For 
each of those levels we also have headers that start on the top of a page, 
headers that we use for the TOC, etc. For example: H1TOP_Heading1TopofPage and 
H1TOC_Heading1TOC. To date, all of those tags have functioned perfectly in our 
TOC. 

   So far, so good, right?

   Last night, we added H2T1_Heading2Topic1, which has all the same settings as 
the other header tags except that when used in WebWorks ePublisherPro, it 
breaks to a new topic. (That's a long story about how we set up and executed on 
our print template.) In fact, we basically copied an existing H2 tag and then 
in WebWorks, gave it its special designation. So as far as FrameMaker is 
concerned, it's the same tag, with all the same settings as H2_Heading2 (which 
works in the TOC), except that it has a different name and different WebWorks 
settings.

   Now, when we run the TOC, all the other headings get their leader lines in 
the TOC, but the new H2T1_Heading2Topic1 entry doesn't.

   Why?

   I've done a side-by-side comparison of the two tags and see no difference.

   The only hint I can give you is in the reference page. If I generate two 
TOCs side by side, the bad TOC (*with* the new tag) generates an additional two 
lines whereas the good TOC (*without* the new tag) does not. 

   Specifically (ignore indents, which didn't translate well during copy and 
paste):

   Bad TOC:

<$paratext> <$pagenum>
<$paratext> <$pagenum>
paratext>  <$pagenum>
openObjectId <$relfilename>:<$ObjectType> <$ObjectId>
Chapter <$paranum> <$paratext> <$pagenum>
<$paratext> <$pagenum>
Appendix <$paranum> <$paratext> 
<$pagenum>
<$paratext> <$pagenum>
<$paratext> <$pagenum>
<$paratext> <$pagenum>
<$paratext> <$pagenum>
<$paratext> <$pagenum>
<$paratext> <$pagenum>
<$paratext> <$pagenum>
<$paratext> <$pagenum>



   Good TOC:

openObjectId <$relfilename>:<$ObjectType> <$ObjectId>
Chapter <$paranum> <$paratext> <$pagenum>
<$paratext> <$pagenum>
Appendix <$paranum> <$paratext> 
<$pagenum>
<$paratext> <$pagenum>
<$paratext> <$pagenum>
<$paratext> <$pagenum>
<$paratext> <$pagenum>
<$paratext> <$pagenum>
<$paratext> <$pagenum>

Is the initial <$paratext> <$pagenum> any indication of what's going wrong? Or 
does anybody else have any ideas?

Karyn

Numbering problem

[karyn hunt]

On FrameMaker 7.2 (version 7.2b144) with Windows XP.

Trying to set page numbering properties, but the number format keeps changing 
from numeric to roman.

Here?s what I do:

1. Go through all individual files in my book and separately ? at the file 
level ? set the introductory files to roman, but the chapter files to tab = 
Page, Format = Numeric, radio button = Continue Numbering from Previous Page in 
Book. Except the first, file, of course, which starts at page #1.
2. At the book level, repeat those steps.
3. Generate the book. 
4. All numbering comes out Roman - on all chapters - instead of roman on 
introductory sections and numeric on chapters.
5. Get pissed off and try 10 more times with same result.
6. On a lark, decide to leave each file as Format = Numeric and First Page # : 
at the default, which is page 3 because that allows me to leave the radio 
button on that top line selected (and the numbering format field shares that 
line and that radio dial button).
7. Regenerate book and the pages have numeric numerals, but all files begin at 
page 3.

Obviously, it?s not okay to have roman numerals throughout the book. But it?s 
also not okay to have all chapters begin at page 3.

The ?Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book? feature should *not* be 
coupled with the ?First Page #:? and ?Format? features because they are 
separate radio buttons. In addition, format should not be completely coupled 
with "First Page #:" In the past, I?ve been able to select numeric AND 
?Continue Numbering?? (in other words, decouple them.

I?ve been doing numbering in FrameMaker for years and have never encountered 
this problem. None of my other books do this and I've set numbering in three of 
them today.

Can anybody tell me what?s going on and how I can fix it?

Karyn

Karyn Hunt
Merced Systems, Inc.
333 Twin Dolphin Drive,  Suite 500
Redwood City, CA 94065
khunt at mercedsystems.com

Numbering problem

[karyn hunt]

On FrameMaker 7.2 (version 7.2b144) with Windows XP.
 
Trying to set page numbering properties, but the number format keeps changing 
from numeric to roman.
 
Here’s what I do:
 
1. Go through all individual files in my book and separately – at the file 
level – set the introductory files to roman, but the chapter files to tab = 
Page, Format = Numeric, radio button = Continue Numbering from Previous Page in 
Book. Except the first, file, of course, which starts at page #1.
2. At the book level, repeat those steps.
3. Generate the book. 
4. All numbering comes out Roman - on all chapters - instead of roman on 
introductory sections and numeric on chapters.
5. Get pissed off and try 10 more times with same result.
6. On a lark, decide to leave each file as Format = Numeric and First Page # : 
at the default, which is page 3 because that allows me to leave the radio 
button on that top line selected (and the numbering format field shares that 
line and that radio dial button).
7. Regenerate book and the pages have numeric numerals, but all files begin at 
page 3.
 
Obviously, it’s not okay to have roman numerals throughout the book. But it’s 
also not okay to have all chapters begin at page 3.
 
The “Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book” feature should *not* be 
coupled with the “First Page #:” and “Format” features because they are 
separate radio buttons. In addition, format should not be completely coupled 
with First Page #: In the past, I’ve been able to select numeric AND 
“Continue Numbering…” (in other words, decouple them.
 
I’ve been doing numbering in FrameMaker for years and have never encountered 
this problem. None of my other books do this and I've set numbering in three of 
them today.
 
Can anybody tell me what’s going on and how I can fix it?
 
Karyn
 
Karyn Hunt
Merced Systems, Inc.
333 Twin Dolphin Drive,  Suite 500
Redwood City, CA 94065
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Off Topic: SnagIt

[Karyn Hunt]

Is there anyone on this list who could answer a quick question about doing 
video captures on SnagIt? Mine are really blurry and I don't know why or how to 
fix it. Please respond to me individually so we don't take up Framers' time 
with a SnagIt question.
 
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Thanks!
 
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Off Topic: SnagIt

[Karyn Hunt]

Is there anyone on this list who could answer a quick question about doing 
video captures on SnagIt? Mine are really blurry and I don't know why or how to 
fix it. Please respond to me individually so we don't take up Framers' time 
with a SnagIt question.

Karyn_Hunt at Hotmail.com

Thanks!

Karyn

Substituting a check box for a bullet in FrameMaker

[Karyn Hunt]

Hi All,

   I want to put a check box in front of a list of items to create a 
checklist. How can I do this in FrameMaker? My first thought was to 
substitute a box for bullets, but is that possible? And if so, how is it 
done? Or is there another way to accomplish this?

Karyn 

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Substituting a check box for a bullet in FrameMaker

[Karyn Hunt]

Hi All,

   I want to put a check box in front of a list of items to create a 
checklist. How can I do this in FrameMaker? My first thought was to 
substitute a box for bullets, but is that possible? And if so, how is it 
done? Or is there another way to accomplish this?

Karyn 

Understanding the difference between the Adobe Distiller embedded in FrameMaker and Adobe Acrobat

[Karyn Hunt]

Hi All,

   This might be kind of a dumb question, but I've never understood the 
difference between the Adobe Acrobat capabilities we get bundled with 
FrameMaker and the full Adobe Acrobat writer package. 

   I'm finding that I need more capability than what I have in FrameMaker, such 
as converting HTML pages to PDF while maintaining the internal links. While the 
Acrobat that comes with Frame will convert the HTML pages, I lose all of my 
internal navigation.

   So is that capability only in Acrobat Professional, which is gonna cost us 
$500? Or is there some other, less expensive way to accomplish this? Is there a 
mid-way package that will cost us less? Am I missing something obvious in Frame 
that will solve this problem for me?

Karyn

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Understanding the difference between the Adobe Distiller embedded in FrameMaker and Adobe Acrobat

[Karyn Hunt]

Hi All,

   This might be kind of a dumb question, but I've never understood the 
difference between the Adobe Acrobat capabilities we get bundled with 
FrameMaker and the full Adobe Acrobat "writer" package. 

   I'm finding that I need more capability than what I have in FrameMaker, such 
as converting HTML pages to PDF while maintaining the internal links. While the 
Acrobat that comes with Frame will convert the HTML pages, I lose all of my 
internal navigation.

   So is that capability only in Acrobat Professional, which is gonna cost us 
$500? Or is there some other, less expensive way to accomplish this? Is there a 
mid-way package that will cost us less? Am I missing something obvious in Frame 
that will solve this problem for me?

Karyn

Tables not accepting Ruling settings

[Karyn Hunt]

Hi All,

   I have a bunch of tables in an administrators guide and am trying to convert 
them all to one consistent style that uses a thin line to separate all columns 
and rows. 

   To achieve this look, I've used the Table Designer  Ruling tab and have set 
every single field to thin. 

   On most tables in my book, the thin lines appear. But some stubbornly refuse 
to add the lines, even if I repeatedly import the template (which has thin 
lines defined in the ruling settings), or set them manually and repeatedly 
click Apply and Update All. I've even selected to remove overrides, but 
still no luck. Why? And how can I fix this?

   This happens on some files (chapters) within my book, but not in others. And 
within a single file/chapter, it can happen on some tables, but not others.

   I'm on Windows XP with Frame 7.1. 

Karyn
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Tables not accepting "Ruling" settings

[Karyn Hunt]

Hi All,

   I have a bunch of tables in an administrators guide and am trying to convert 
them all to one consistent style that uses a thin line to separate all columns 
and rows. 

   To achieve this look, I've used the Table Designer > Ruling tab and have set 
every single field to "thin". 

   On most tables in my book, the thin lines appear. But some stubbornly refuse 
to add the lines, even if I repeatedly import the template (which has thin 
lines defined in the ruling settings), or set them manually and repeatedly 
click "Apply" and "Update All". I've even selected to remove overrides, but 
still no luck. Why? And how can I fix this?

   This happens on some files (chapters) within my book, but not in others. And 
within a single file/chapter, it can happen on some tables, but not others.

   I'm on Windows XP with Frame 7.1. 

Karyn

PDF freeware overriding my FrameMaker

[Karyn Hunt]

Hi All,

   Yesterday, I had the need to make an HTML page into a pdf for posting on our 
public Website. So I downloaded PDF995, which appears to have overwritten my 
FrameMaker 7.1 PDF function, including Acrobat Distiller. Now I can't convert 
my Frame files to PDF format.

   I tried reinstalling from my CD to get the distiller back, but the installer 
told me I already had Frame fully installed. So Now I can't seem to get my 
distiller back. 

   Any suggestions?

Karyn
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RE: PDF freeware overriding my FrameMaker

[Karyn Hunt]

Never mind. I figured this out. Sorry to interrupt anybody's day. ;-

Karyn

-Original Message-
From: Karyn Hunt 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:27 AM
To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: PDF freeware overriding my FrameMaker 

Hi All,

   Yesterday, I had the need to make an HTML page into a pdf for posting on our 
public Website. So I downloaded PDF995, which appears to have overwritten my 
FrameMaker 7.1 PDF function, including Acrobat Distiller. Now I can't convert 
my Frame files to PDF format.

   I tried reinstalling from my CD to get the distiller back, but the installer 
told me I already had Frame fully installed. So Now I can't seem to get my 
distiller back. 

   Any suggestions?

Karyn
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PDF freeware overriding my FrameMaker

[Karyn Hunt]

Hi All,

   Yesterday, I had the need to make an HTML page into a pdf for posting on our 
public Website. So I downloaded PDF995, which appears to have overwritten my 
FrameMaker 7.1 PDF function, including Acrobat Distiller. Now I can't convert 
my Frame files to PDF format.

   I tried reinstalling from my CD to get the distiller back, but the installer 
told me I already had Frame fully installed. So Now I can't seem to get my 
distiller back. 

   Any suggestions?

Karyn

PDF freeware overriding my FrameMaker

[Karyn Hunt]

Never mind. I figured this out. Sorry to interrupt anybody's day. ;->

Karyn

-Original Message-
From: Karyn Hunt 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:27 AM
To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: PDF freeware overriding my FrameMaker 

Hi All,

   Yesterday, I had the need to make an HTML page into a pdf for posting on our 
public Website. So I downloaded PDF995, which appears to have overwritten my 
FrameMaker 7.1 PDF function, including Acrobat Distiller. Now I can't convert 
my Frame files to PDF format.

   I tried reinstalling from my CD to get the distiller back, but the installer 
told me I already had Frame fully installed. So Now I can't seem to get my 
distiller back. 

   Any suggestions?

Karyn

RE: Phantom index entries

[karyn hunt]

I'll second this one. I've spent literally hours pulling my hair out about 
phantom index entries, only to find that there were multiple, invisible 
index markers that were stacked one atop the other. I'd remove one, only to 
find there was another one there. And once you think you've got them all, 
sometimes you have to go back and remove even more. It's crazy making, but I 
did finally get my index to work.

Karyn



From: Stamm, David-P45904 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Murray Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED],framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Phantom index entries
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:45:54 -0400

2006-08-03-04T17:45Z

Murray -

I just saw Frank Stearns' posting as I was finishing my missive, below.
I agree with Frank's projection about what I refer to as LAN
interference, network collisions, and network congestion. I've
seen FrameMaker do some mighty-odd things here that, apparently, our
colleagues don't experience. At least, they don't discuss such
intermittent, oddball behaviors on this list.

Believe you me: I feel your pain.

I recently relearned that FrameMaker sometimes stacks markers one on top
of the other. The only thing visible is one marker, but there might be
more than one marker at the same place. I have found six markers
stacked atop one another on the reference page named BookHTML.

I think you might find an Index marker that contains an entry such as
 16 or  18 or  24 - without the quotation marks. Notice that each
number is preceded by at least one blank (   ). I believe that in
such a situation, FrameMaker detects the blank or blanks, recognizes it
or them as symbols, and quite happily sorts the contents to
appear as you have reported them.

Try this.

1. By whatever means, go to the marker that you believe is the
offender. The marker appears highlighted. Remember that the marker
might be very hard to see. It might be at the very end of a bit of text
that is next to a text frame or a line in a table.

2. If necessary or desired, zoom in on the file until you can see the
marker that is highlighted. The marker becomes more-readily visible.

3. Press the left arrow key ( - ) once. The insertion point moves
to the left. If the marker is at the right side of a letter, the point
moves to the left side of the letter.

4. Press the right arrow key ( - ) once. The insertion point moves
into an invisible place between the right side of the letter and the
left side of the marker. The insertion point remains visible.

5. Press the spacebar once, twice, or thrice. (Hey, you can go
crazy here because you can't really hurt anything, and hitting the
spacebar is better than biting the edge of your work surface.) One or
more blanks appear to the left of the marker.

6. Press the right arrow key ( - ) _only_once_, and press the
spacebar _only_once_.

7. If this movement produces only one or more blanks - and nothing
else - you're dealing with only one marker.

8. If this movement produces a blank _and_ another marker begins to
appear, repeat steps six and seven until no more markers appear.

9. If FrameMaker's Marker dialog box is not displayed, display it.
Press Alt+S+M. The Marker dialog box appears.

10. Highlight each marker one-at-a-time and examine both its type
(such as Index or TopicAlias or Author in the title bar) and its
contents.

Again, I think you might find an Index marker that contains an entry
such as  16 or  18 or  24 - without the quotation marks. Notice
that each number is preceded by at least one blank (   ). I believe
that in such a situation, FrameMaker detects the blank or blanks,
recognizes it or them as symbols, and quite happily sorts the contents
to
appear as you have reported them.

Good luck!

Dave Stamm
Publications Specialist, Senior Staff
General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.
Command Systems
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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Phantom index entries

FM 6.0p405
XP Pro Version 2002 Service Pack 2

In my book's index, page numbers are appearing under the Symbols
heading; 16, 18, 24, etc.

I traced each of these numbers to its source index marker, e.g. one of
the page numbers under the Symbols heading, 34, is the A Year Ago This
Month button heading on page 34.

On page 34 I deleted and recreated the index marker. But when I updated
the book and the index, 34 continues to display under Symbols.

On page 34 I deleted the index marker. I updated the book and the index.
Not only does 16 continue to display under Symbols, but A Year Ago This
Month 34 continues to display under the A heading.

Our IT Dept. head suggested I might have exceeded the maximum size for a
FM file. I do not think so because I have produced thicker books.

/\/\
Murray Moore
Documentation Department
CSDC Systems Inc.
Mississauga, Ontario

RE: Need Structure FrameMaker Class

[karyn hunt]

Ditto for the San Francisco area. Does anybody know any classes coming up 
around the San Francisco Bay Area? I really need to learn this stuff.


Karyn



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Need help finding a class to learn structured FrameMaker. Anyone know of 
any classes, especially in the Atlanta area.


Thanks, Nancy

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Ditto for the San Francisco area. Does anybody know any classes coming up 
around the San Francisco Bay Area? I really need to learn this stuff.

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RE: document release date schedule documentation

[karyn hunt]

I'll second what Roger said and add to it. Hoboy, have you hit on a HUGE 
subject here. A few thoughts:


1. The industry standard is four hours per page. That may seem like more 
than you need, but when you consider the time needed to understand the 
feature, write it, get screenshots, have engineers review it, correct it, 
proofread/spellcheck it, then check it in to source safe, this is a good 
number.


2. I figure that one GUI screen translates to about one page of 
documentation. Or each feature can translate to between one and four pages 
of documentation, depending on how your company define's a feature. 
Another way to guesstimate is that two or three pages worth of engineering 
notes can translate to about one page of documentation (users rarely - if 
ever - need to know the behind-the-scenes stuff explained in engineering 
docs). So if they can produce a PRD or some engineering docs, you can use 
these guidelines to reach a time guesstimate.


3. ABSOLUTELY figure review procedures in your timelines. Guesstimating that 
is even trickier. I demand a five-day turnaround and insist that my manager 
enforce this for me if engineering, QA or customer support isn't adhering to 
it. Allow yourself half-an-hour per page for correcting the inevitable 
mistakes/misunderstandings that find their way into docs in the first 
iteration. So add an extra week or two for the review process.


4. Consider folding in a second round of reviews b/c oftentimes, the changes 
you make wind up being wrong. So fold in a few extra days for that.


5. Create a spreadsheet with all features listed, the time guesstimates 
needed to doc each one, and the begin/end dates for each one, and the time 
allotted for the review procedure. Send that to your manager, the 
engineering manager and the product manager as well as anyone else who is 
tracking your work.


5. Educate everyone and anyone you can about this so there's no room for 
misunderstanding or finger pointing later on.


6. Insist that they include you on one or two of the following: Planning 
meetings, release team meetings, product management meetings or any other 
process meetings that will help you discern their timeline and at each 
one, let them know that planning for the docs should happen simultaneously 
with planning for feature implementation.


Believe me, been there and done that on all of these. Hope this helps.

Karyn


From: Roger Shuttleworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: framers@frameusers.com
Subject: RE: document release date schedule documentation
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 14:52:54 -0400


On 7/6/06, Gillian Flato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Guys,

 I need to provide my engineers with a document release date schedule
so
 they understand when I need information by. I think that they think
that
 they can give me info two days before the release date and expect an
 updated manual with the release. Does anyone have something I can use
as
 a template?

Hi Gillian

I don't have such a template, I'm afraid. However, the situation you
describe needs more than that. You need to be involved in the process
from the beginning, so that you have input into specifications, GUI (if
it's software), and so on. Then your documentation estimation process
occurs simultaneously with the product development estimates. Given
proper management of the whole project, you should be able to finish the
docs at the same time as the product is finalized, and without stress.
The project manager should at least be aware of your needs and the
timing. Decent specifications will allow you to estimate and to create a
draft ToC. From that point you can develop your docs iteratively,
incorporating the review process.

If there is no real project management, you have an education job on
your hands which could take years if management don't get it yet. (This
is the voice of experience!) You will need to call meetings and keep
expressing your needs. But sensible estimating, based on requirements
and specifications, should allow you to at least give ballpark dates for
your various stages. There are resources around for estimating; I've
seen industry standards set at 1 page/day (including everything),
although we work on something less than (more than?) that - more than a
page a day, I mean!

Hope this helps, and good luck!

Roger

Roger Shuttleworth
Documentation Team Lead
Activplant Corporation
140 Fullarton St.
London, Ontario
N6A 5P2
Canada
Tel. 519 668-7336
Fax. 519 668-3227
www.activplant.com

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document release date schedule documentation

[karyn hunt]

Oh, and one more crucial thought on this subject: When you're done doing all 
this math, pad your schedule by somewhere between 25% and 30% because 
everything that can go wrong, will.

;->

k




>From: "karyn hunt" 
>To: framers at frameusers.com
>Subject: RE: document release date schedule documentation
>Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 20:08:40 +
>
>I'll second what Roger said and add to it. Hoboy, have you hit on a HUGE 
>subject here. A few thoughts:
>
>1. The industry standard is four hours per page. That may seem like more 
>than you need, but when you consider the time needed to understand the 
>feature, write it, get screenshots, have engineers review it, correct it, 
>proofread/spellcheck it, then check it in to source safe, this is a good 
>number.
>
>2. I figure that one GUI screen translates to about one page of 
>documentation. Or each "feature" can translate to between one and four 
>pages of documentation, depending on how your company define's a "feature." 
>Another way to guesstimate is that two or three pages worth of engineering 
>notes can translate to about one page of documentation (users rarely - if 
>ever - need to know the behind-the-scenes stuff explained in engineering 
>docs). So if they can produce a PRD or some engineering docs, you can use 
>these guidelines to reach a time guesstimate.
>
>3. ABSOLUTELY figure review procedures in your timelines. Guesstimating 
>that is even trickier. I demand a five-day turnaround and insist that my 
>manager enforce this for me if engineering, QA or customer support isn't 
>adhering to it. Allow yourself half-an-hour per page for correcting the 
>inevitable mistakes/misunderstandings that find their way into docs in the 
>first iteration. So add an extra week or two for the review process.
>
>4. Consider folding in a second round of reviews b/c oftentimes, the 
>changes you make wind up being wrong. So fold in a few extra days for that.
>
>5. Create a spreadsheet with all features listed, the time guesstimates 
>needed to doc each one, and the begin/end dates for each one, and the time 
>allotted for the review procedure. Send that to your manager, the 
>engineering manager and the product manager as well as anyone else who is 
>tracking your work.
>
>5. Educate everyone and anyone you can about this so there's no room for 
>misunderstanding or finger pointing later on.
>
>6. Insist that they include you on one or two of the following: Planning 
>meetings, release team meetings, product management meetings or any other 
>"process" meetings that will help you discern their timeline and at each 
>one, let them know that planning for the docs should happen simultaneously 
>with planning for feature implementation.
>
>Believe me, been there and done that on all of these. Hope this helps.
>
>Karyn
>
>>From: "Roger Shuttleworth" 
>>To: 
>>Subject: RE: document release date schedule documentation
>>Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 14:52:54 -0400
>>
>>
>>On 7/6/06, Gillian Flato  wrote:
>> > Guys,
>> >
>> > I need to provide my engineers with a document release date schedule
>>so
>> > they understand when I need information by. I think that they think
>>that
>> > they can give me info two days before the release date and expect an
>> > updated manual with the release. Does anyone have something I can use
>>as
>> > a template?
>>
>>Hi Gillian
>>
>>I don't have such a template, I'm afraid. However, the situation you
>>describe needs more than that. You need to be involved in the process
>>from the beginning, so that you have input into specifications, GUI (if
>>it's software), and so on. Then your documentation estimation process
>>occurs simultaneously with the product development estimates. Given
>>proper management of the whole project, you should be able to finish the
>>docs at the same time as the product is finalized, and without stress.
>>The project manager should at least be aware of your needs and the
>>timing. Decent specifications will allow you to estimate and to create a
>>draft ToC. From that point you can develop your docs iteratively,
>>incorporating the review process.
>>
>>If there is no real project management, you have an education job on
>>your hands which could take years if management don't get it yet. (This
>>is the voice of experience!) You will need to call meetings and keep
>>expressing your needs. But sensible estimating, based on requirements
>>and specifications, should allow you to at least give ballpark dates for
>>your various stages. There are resources around for estimating; I've
>>seen industry standards set at 1 page/day (including everything),
>>although we work on something less than (more than?) that - more than a
>>page a day, I mean!
>>
>>Hope this helps, and good luck!
>>
>>Roger
>>
>>Roger Shuttleworth
>>Documentation Team Lead
>>Activplant Corporation
>>140 Fullarton St.
>>London, Ontario
>>N6A 5P2
>>Canada
>>Tel. 519 668-7336
>>Fax. 519 668-3227
>>www.activplant.com
>>

Methodology for Source Code Control

[karyn hunt]

Hi Guys,

   I know this is somewhat off topic, but perhaps the responses will be 
helpful for others. I've been checking my FrameMaker files in to CVS for 
source control purposes and just felt the sting of not having used branches. 
In other words, I've always checked my FrameMaker files right in to the head 
and overwritten them with each new release. Until this week, that wasn't a 
problem. But this week, I began to see the shortcomings of that system.

   So I'm wondering, how many of you out there use branching when checking 
your Frame files in to a source code control system and how many of you just 
overwrite in one place?

Karyn Hunt

Methodology for Source Code Control - SOLUTION

[karyn hunt]

I think what I've learned in the last two days is that I needed to tag all 
files when I checked them in (both Frame and online help files). Previously, 
I hadn't known that. So I'll be religious about that from here on in. That 
way, we can roll back to a previous time and re-release the docs as they 
were on that date, while still allowing me to check in new files as we move 
forward in the development/documentation process.

That may be obvious to others, but it wasn't to me. D'oh!

Also, I've learned a bit about how NOT to remove files. We had literally 
hundreds of outdated and unused images in CVS and I wanted to hide them from 
showing up when I checked in my new files b/c they were confusing and just 
plain unneccessary going forward. (I'm a big believer in careful 
housekeeping. Why carry forward hundreds of unused images?) Unfortunately, 
the method our old release engineer told me for removing them was a 
permanent "hard" delete that caused no end of problems when we tried to roll 
back to a previous date and time. So if anybody knows a better method for 
dealing with this, that'd be helpful.

The third problem we have yet to solve may have had to do with changing the 
case on some file names and caching within CVS, but I can't quite get my 
head around that one yet - not enough to explain what happened and why.

So chalk it up to one of those painful learning experiences. I now know a 
bit about CVS that I didn't know before.

Bottom line for all you others out there who may find yourselves in my 
position: Tag early, tag often...

Karyn




>From: "Combs, Richard" 
>To: 
>Subject: RE: Methodology for Source Code Control
>Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:55:45 -0600
>
>Karyn Hunt wrote:
>
> >So I'm wondering, how many of you out there use branching
> > when checking your Frame files in to a source code control
> > system and how many of you just overwrite in one place?
>
>And Laura Sponhour wrote:
>
> > Harvest can't compare FM files, so, like you, we don't have
> > branches to go back to for versions from previous releases.
>
>We don't check our FM files into our source control system (Subversion,
>but it used to be CVS), only the Help and PDF files that go into the
>software build. So I'm not exactly an expert on this stuff. But, I don't
>understand what you mean by "overwrite" and not being able to go back to
>previous versions.
>
>The whole point of a source control system is to never "overwrite"
>anything and to keep every version. Whether you check files into a
>branch or into the head is irrelevant. You should be able to go back and
>get any FM file that you committed to the repository.
>
>Committing a new version will never "overwrite" a previous version; the
>only way a previous version disappears from the repository is if someone
>consciously and deliberately removes it. Which, I suppose, someone could
>do (but it would be wrong!) because of the space problem binary files
>create...
>
>You see, source control systems are primarily intended to store text
>files, and can do that very space-efficiently: they can compare two
>versions of a text file and only store the deltas -- the differences
>between the previous version and the new one. Each new commit of the
>file adds only a small set of deltas to the repository, which can
>reconstruct any commit version by assembling the correct deltas.
>
>When you store binary files (like FM files), most source control systems
>can't compare/diff those, so they have to store a complete new copy of
>the file each time it changes. That's why a lot of source control system
>admins don't want you checking in your docs -- you eat up massive
>amounts of disk space, compared to the programmers' source code (text)
>files.
>
>If earlier versions of your docs are deliberately being removed from the
>repository because of space problems -- well, that pretty much defeats
>the whole purpose, so you need to rethink your process completely. But
>unless that's happening, every version of every doc you checked in
>should still be in the repository.
>
>HTH!
>Richard
>
>
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>Senior Technical Writer
>Polycom, Inc.
>richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
>303-223-5111
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>303-777-0436
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Methodology for Source Code Control

[karyn hunt]

Hi Guys,

  I know this is somewhat off topic, but perhaps the responses will be 
helpful for others. I've been checking my FrameMaker files in to CVS for 
source control purposes and just felt the sting of not having used branches. 
In other words, I've always checked my FrameMaker files right in to the head 
and overwritten them with each new release. Until this week, that wasn't a 
problem. But this week, I began to see the shortcomings of that system.


  So I'm wondering, how many of you out there use branching when checking 
your Frame files in to a source code control system and how many of you just 
overwrite in one place?


Karyn Hunt


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RE: Framemaker and Translation

[karyn hunt]

Another place to bone up quickly: There's a company called Enlaso that does 
translations. They recently did a Webcast called Translation 101 in which 
they went over all the basics. I think they have that Webcast stored on 
their website. I found it tremendously helpful just in getting a broad 
overview of things to think about, what to look out for, what's involved, 
etc etc etc.


Karyn



From: Ann Zdunczyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Diane Gaskill' [EMAIL PROTECTED],'Loren R. Elks' 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: 'Framers List' framers@frameusers.com, 
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Subject: RE: Framemaker and Translation
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:58:59 -0400

Loren,

I agree with everything that has been said so far. Definitely check with
your vendor to make sure that they handle the technology that you are
writing about. Some translation houses specialize in different technologies
(Medical, Telecom, Legal, etc.)

Trados by the way was based in Ireland and German if I remember correctly.
It has now been purchased by SDL.

If you have any other questions let me know.

Z


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:47 PM
To: 'Loren R. Elks'
Cc: 'Framers List'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Framemaker and Translation

Loren, all

There is a book called Localization and Framemaker that explains the basics
of localization, tells you how to find, screen, and hire the RIGHT vendor
for the work you are doing, what you need to provide to the vendor to get a
good estimate for your job, how to work with the vendor, and explains what
the vendor can actually do for you. It explains the localization process
(what the vendor does with your files) and contains a table of prices that
you can use to get a fairly good idea of how much you can expect to pay for
their services. The book is a 24-page pdf file that you can download free
from http://www.bapmf.net/resources/2000_localization_FM/locindex.html

Note that ALL localization vendors can take a set of FM files and give you
the same set of FM files back, translated into as many target languages as
you desire.

Incidentally, Trados is a company based here in the Silicon Valley, not an
application. Trados makes a set of software tools, including the S-tagger
and the Translators Workbench, that is the industry standard toolset today.
But it is not the only set of tools on the market and some vendors use 
other

tools instead, including home-grown ones. Some of these tools are
compatible with each other and some are not. When you talk to the vindor,
find out which toolset they use and ask about compatibility with the Trados
toolset, and particularly about the TM. TM = translation memory - a
database that stores translated words, phrases, and paragraphs. Using the
TM is optional, and little more expensive if they use it to start with, but
can save you a lot of $ when upgrading your docs, online help, software,
etc. They just pull the already translated text out of the TM and add the
changes. BTW, the data in the TM is something that you own, not the vendor,
and they should give it to you when the job is finished. That way, if you
change vendors, you can continue from where you left off and not pay to 
have

the whole doc translated again.

Hope this helps.

Diane
=

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Behalf Of Stephen O'Brien
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:44 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Loren R. Elks'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 'Framers List'
Subject: RE: Framemaker and Translation


Hi Steve,

I've been reading this thread with interest as our documentation (FM) is
going to be translated into German and Japonese starting in January 2007.
The people at the other end are distributors who are going to have to put
together an efficient workflow. You mention in your comment being able to
provide details...I am very interested...

Thanks.

At 10:45 AM 6/6/2006, Steve Wiseman wrote:
We use translators that can take the FM files and return them as FM
files including any marker and conditional text in the document. If you
want details, please let me know. We have been happy with the results.
I recommend them as they use translators in the destination country
rather than locals from here.

For your information, they use an application called Trados that
imports
MIF
files.

Best regards,
Steve


Steve Wiseman

CEO, Context Documentation and Interactive Services

Official MIF2GO Resellers and Trainers

www.context.co.il

Tel (Isr): +972-2-999-7816

 (UK): +44-845-244-7802

 Mob: +972-522-341-957

Skype: zusman


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Framemaker and Translation

[karyn hunt]

Another place to bone up quickly: There's a company called Enlaso that does 
translations. They recently did a Webcast called Translation 101 in which 
they went over all the basics. I think they have that Webcast stored on 
their website. I found it tremendously helpful just in getting a broad 
overview of things to think about, what to look out for, what's involved, 
etc etc etc.

Karyn



From: "Ann Zdunczyk" 
To: "'Diane Gaskill'" ,"'Loren R. Elks'" 

CC: 'Framers List' , 
framers at omsys.com,swiseman at context.co.il
Subject: RE: Framemaker and Translation
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:58:59 -0400
>Loren,
>
>I agree with everything that has been said so far. Definitely check with
>your vendor to make sure that they handle the technology that you are
>writing about. Some translation houses specialize in different technologies
>(Medical, Telecom, Legal, etc.)
>
>Trados by the way was based in Ireland and German if I remember correctly.
>It has now been purchased by SDL.
>
>If you have any other questions let me know.
>
>Z
>
>
>**
>Ann Zdunczyk
>President
>a2z Publishing, Inc.
>Phone: (336)922-1271
>Fax: (336) 922-4980
>Cell: (336)456-4493
>http://www.a2z-pub.com
>**
>
>-Original Message-
>From: framers-bounces+azdunczyk=triad.rr.com at lists.frameusers.com
>[mailto:framers-bounces+azdunczyk=triad.rr.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
>Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
>Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:47 PM
>To: 'Loren R. Elks'
>Cc: 'Framers List'; framers at omsys.com; swiseman at context.co.il
>Subject: RE: Framemaker and Translation
>
>Loren, all
>
>There is a book called Localization and Framemaker that explains the basics
>of localization, tells you how to find, screen, and hire the RIGHT vendor
>for the work you are doing, what you need to provide to the vendor to get a
>good estimate for your job, how to work with the vendor, and explains what
>the vendor can actually do for you. It explains the localization process
>(what the vendor does with your files) and contains a table of prices that
>you can use to get a fairly good idea of how much you can expect to pay for
>their services. The book is a 24-page pdf file that you can download free
>from http://www.bapmf.net/resources/2000_localization_FM/locindex.html
>
>Note that ALL localization vendors can take a set of FM files and give you
>the same set of FM files back, translated into as many target languages as
>you desire.
>
>Incidentally, Trados is a company based here in the Silicon Valley, not an
>application. Trados makes a set of software tools, including the S-tagger
>and the Translators Workbench, that is the industry standard toolset today.
>But it is not the only set of tools on the market and some vendors use 
>other
>tools instead, including home-grown ones. Some of these tools are
>compatible with each other and some are not. When you talk to the vindor,
>find out which toolset they use and ask about compatibility with the Trados
>toolset, and particularly about the TM. TM = translation memory - a
>database that stores translated words, phrases, and paragraphs. Using the
>TM is optional, and little more expensive if they use it to start with, but
>can save you a lot of $ when upgrading your docs, online help, software,
>etc. They just pull the already translated text out of the TM and add the
>changes. BTW, the data in the TM is something that you own, not the vendor,
>and they should give it to you when the job is finished. That way, if you
>change vendors, you can continue from where you left off and not pay to 
>have
>the whole doc translated again.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Diane
>=
>
>-Original Message-
>From: framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com
>[mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On
>Behalf Of Stephen O'Brien
>Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:44 AM
>To: swiseman at context.co.il; 'Loren R. Elks'; framers at omsys.com
>Cc: 'Framers List'
>Subject: RE: Framemaker and Translation
>
>
>Hi Steve,
>
>I've been reading this thread with interest as our documentation (FM) is
>going to be translated into German and Japonese starting in January 2007.
>The people at the other end are distributors who are going to have to put
>together an efficient workflow. You mention in your comment being able to
>provide details...I am very interested...
>
>Thanks.
>
>At 10:45 AM 6/6/2006, Steve Wiseman wrote:
> >We use translators that can take the FM files and return them as FM
> >files including any marker and conditional text in the document. If you
> >want details, please let me know. We have been happy with the results.
> >I recommend them as they use translators in the destination country
> >rather than locals from here.
> >
> >For your information, they use an application called Trados that
> >imports
>MIF
> >files.
> >
> >Best 

Frame Crashing

[Karyn Hunt]

Hi Guys,

   I'm having a strange problem that my IT guys tells me is due to a bad 
interaction between Windows, FrameMaker and RoboHelp. I’m wondering if any of 
you has seen this and if so, what you've done to correct it.

   To make a long story short, my Windows Explorer folders are becoming 
corrupted and crashing FrameMaker when I try to import images by reference. 
Things generally go okay for a while until I spend a fair amount of time 
importing several different images. Then all-of-a-sudden, the image folder will 
decide it just doesn't want to work with FrameMaker any more and it begins 
crashing (both Explorer windows AND FrameMaker) every time I try to import an 
image.

   If I physically move that folder elsewhere, like my desktop for example, it 
begins working again. But then I've broken all other reference links and I have 
to start over, which makes this solution unworkable.

   To date, the only workaround I can come up with is to move the image folder 
to the desktop, copy the new images in, then move the folder back to its usual 
spot for archival purposes, should I ever solve this vexing problem.

   My IT guys blames this on RoboHelp and says FrameMaker, Windows Explorer and 
RoboHelp don't play nicely together. But I don’t' really believe him. My 
installation of RoboHelp is working just fine - no problems with it at all - 
just FrameMaker and Explorer.

  Any thoughts? Suggestions?

  I'm on FrameMaker 7.1 with RoboHelp X5.0.1 and Windows XP Professional 
version 2002, Service Pack 2.

Karyn

   
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RE: Frame Crashing

[Karyn Hunt]

In this case, I'm certain it's not the network b/c everything is on my local 
hard drive. FrameMaker and RoboHelp are installed on my C drive under Program 
Files. The image folders are under My Documents. (The path is roughly 
project name/Frame files + a subfolder with the images/images. It's the final 
folder images that keeps corrupting. 

Another oddity is that even if FrameMaker isn't open, once that folder decides 
not to cooperate, I can't even open it in Windows Explorer. We can, however, 
get images out if we go into it in a command window (DOS).

k

-Original Message-
From: Bob Colwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:41 AM
To: Art Campbell; Karyn Hunt
Cc: framers
Subject: RE: Frame Crashing

Back in 1987 I had been using Framemaker for a couple of years, when
a new version came out that included a networking feature. I tried 
using it, and found that everything had slowed to a crawl. I sent off
a blistering review of the new product to Framemaker, and got an email
back a few days later from the president of the company, apologizing
for our troubles, expressing surprise, and suggesting some experiments
to try to pinpoint the problem. The first experiment showed that it was
our own (new) network causing the problem. I sent a contrite whoops,
never mind to Framemaker. Had this been a Windows network (impossible
in 1987, yeah I know) I would have suspected that right away...-BobC

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:22 AM
To: Karyn Hunt
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: Frame Crashing


Are the FM and graphics files local, on a network drive, or mixed?

If the network is involved, hiccups there and in the way Windows is
reading the network file system would be my first guess.

Art


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Updating text with new paragraph tag settings

[Karyn Hunt]

Hi All,

 

  I have some very old chapters from some very old books that I’m
selectively copying and pasting into some new books. The new books have
slightly different character tag settings (different indents and line
spacing) so I’m importing the new formats into all the old chapters as I
copy them in to the new books. Problem is, this old book had a whole lot
of overrides and when I see the paragraph tags in the new book (in the
paragraph tag field on the menu), the tag names have asterisks next to
and have not yet picked up the new settings. So I’m having to go back
and select each chunk of text and re-tag it with the same tag to make it
pick up the new settings. Is there some shortcut to quickly update them
all at once?

 

  I’m in Frame 7.1.

 

Karyn


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Frame Crashing

[Karyn Hunt]

Hi Guys,

   I'm having a strange problem that my IT guys tells me is due to a bad 
interaction between Windows, FrameMaker and RoboHelp. I?m wondering if any of 
you has seen this and if so, what you've done to correct it.

   To make a long story short, my Windows Explorer folders are becoming 
corrupted and crashing FrameMaker when I try to import images by reference. 
Things generally go okay for a while until I spend a fair amount of time 
importing several different images. Then all-of-a-sudden, the image folder will 
decide it just doesn't want to work with FrameMaker any more and it begins 
crashing (both Explorer windows AND FrameMaker) every time I try to import an 
image.

   If I physically move that folder elsewhere, like my desktop for example, it 
begins working again. But then I've broken all other reference links and I have 
to start over, which makes this solution unworkable.

   To date, the only workaround I can come up with is to move the image folder 
to the desktop, copy the new images in, then move the folder back to its usual 
spot for archival purposes, should I ever solve this vexing problem.

   My IT guys blames this on RoboHelp and says FrameMaker, Windows Explorer and 
RoboHelp don't play nicely together. But I don?t' really believe him. My 
installation of RoboHelp is working just fine - no problems with it at all - 
just FrameMaker and Explorer.

  Any thoughts? Suggestions?

  I'm on FrameMaker 7.1 with RoboHelp X5.0.1 and Windows XP Professional 
version 2002, Service Pack 2.

Karyn

Frame Crashing

[Karyn Hunt]

In this case, I'm certain it's not the network b/c everything is on my local 
hard drive. FrameMaker and RoboHelp are installed on my C drive under Program 
Files. The image folders are under "My Documents." (The path is roughly 
/Frame files + a subfolder with the images/images. It's the final 
folder  that keeps corrupting. 

Another oddity is that even if FrameMaker isn't open, once that folder decides 
not to cooperate, I can't even open it in Windows Explorer. We can, however, 
get images out if we go into it in a command window (DOS).

k

-Original Message-
From: Bob Colwell [mailto:bob.colw...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:41 AM
To: Art Campbell; Karyn Hunt
Cc: framers
Subject: RE: Frame Crashing

Back in 1987 I had been using Framemaker for a couple of years, when
a new version came out that included a networking feature. I tried 
using it, and found that everything had slowed to a crawl. I sent off
a blistering review of the new product to Framemaker, and got an email
back a few days later from the president of the company, apologizing
for our troubles, expressing surprise, and suggesting some experiments
to try to pinpoint the problem. The first experiment showed that it was
our own (new) network causing the problem. I sent a contrite "whoops,
never mind" to Framemaker. Had this been a Windows network (impossible
in 1987, yeah I know) I would have suspected that right away...-BobC

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+bob.colwell=comcast@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+bob.colwell=comcast.net at lists.frameusers.com]On
Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:22 AM
To: Karyn Hunt
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: Frame Crashing


Are the FM and graphics files local, on a network drive, or mixed?

If the network is involved, hiccups there and in the way Windows is
reading the network file system would be my first guess.

Art

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Leader Lines

[Karyn Hunt]

Hi All,

   I'm drawing a blank and the help system isn't readily giving me the info I 
need. I'm sure the info is there, I just can't find it and I'm in a hurry...

   I have a template TOC with leader lines and a tab setting of 6.375. I've 
just generated the TOC for a new book but 1) the leader lines aren't there and 
2) the file is ignoring the tab set and putting the page numbers flush left to 
the chapter title text. I've imported the template formats into the new TOC 
several times but it's not picking up on the leader lines or the tab stop. 
(It's getting the font, font size and indent right, but losing the info about 
the leader lines and tabs.) 
   
   What am I doing wrong? Where are my leader lines? And how can I get them 
back either a) automatically or b) manually? Are leader lines set in the 
paragraph designer? The format designer? The reference page? (In which case I'm 
sunk b/c I don't know diddly about how to set up reference pages.)

  I'm on FrameMaker 7.1 with Windows XP and the lone writer in a small shop 
with godawful deadlines and a patch due out this week.

Karyn 
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RE: Leader Lines - SOLVED

[Karyn Hunt]

After trying several suggestions from the wonderful folks on this list, I 
finally noticed something: The apply master pages checkbox wasn't checked in 
the update book dialogue. So that appears to have been the problem. 

Geez Louize, it took 1.5 hours to figure that out. What a waste of an hour and 
a half. But a learning experience nonetheless. I won't let that one slip by 
again. (The lessons learned hardest are always the lessons learned best, huh?)

Aaargh!

k

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:03 PM
To: 'framers@frameusers.com'
Subject: FW: Leader Lines

Karyn, 

There is a paragraph style on the reference page that corresponds to each
paragraph style in your TOC, this is where you set up the right-tabs with
leaders. One common problem to look for is that the right tab for your
leader is slightly beyond the edge of the text frame on the master page. If
the tab is at 6.375 and the edge of the frame is at 6.37, for example, the
leaders will disappear.

Clint

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
om]On Behalf Of Karyn Hunt
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:54 PM
To: framers
Subject: Leader Lines


Hi All,

   I'm drawing a blank and the help system isn't readily giving me the info
I need. I'm sure the info is there, I just can't find it and I'm in a
hurry...

   I have a template TOC with leader lines and a tab setting of 6.375. I've
just generated the TOC for a new book but 1) the leader lines aren't there
and 2) the file is ignoring the tab set and putting the page numbers flush
left to the chapter title text. I've imported the template formats into the
new TOC several times but it's not picking up on the leader lines or the tab
stop. (It's getting the font, font size and indent right, but losing the
info about the leader lines and tabs.) 
   
   What am I doing wrong? Where are my leader lines? And how can I get them
back either a) automatically or b) manually? Are leader lines set in the
paragraph designer? The format designer? The reference page? (In which case
I'm sunk b/c I don't know diddly about how to set up reference pages.)

  I'm on FrameMaker 7.1 with Windows XP and the lone writer in a small shop
with godawful deadlines and a patch due out this week.

Karyn 
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Leader Lines

[Karyn Hunt]

Hi All,

   I'm drawing a blank and the help system isn't readily giving me the info I 
need. I'm sure the info is there, I just can't find it and I'm in a hurry...

   I have a template TOC with leader lines and a tab setting of 6.375. I've 
just generated the TOC for a new book but 1) the leader lines aren't there and 
2) the file is ignoring the tab set and putting the page numbers flush left to 
the chapter title text. I've imported the template formats into the new TOC 
several times but it's not picking up on the leader lines or the tab stop. 
(It's getting the font, font size and indent right, but losing the info about 
the leader lines and tabs.) 

   What am I doing wrong? Where are my leader lines? And how can I get them 
back either a) automatically or b) manually? Are leader lines set in the 
paragraph designer? The format designer? The reference page? (In which case I'm 
sunk b/c I don't know diddly about how to set up reference pages.)

  I'm on FrameMaker 7.1 with Windows XP and the lone writer in a small shop 
with godawful deadlines and a patch due out this week.

Karyn 

Leader Lines - SOLVED

[Karyn Hunt]

After trying several suggestions from the wonderful folks on this list, I 
finally noticed something: The "apply master pages" checkbox wasn't checked in 
the "update book" dialogue. So that appears to have been the problem. 

Geez Louize, it took 1.5 hours to figure that out. What a waste of an hour and 
a half. But a learning experience nonetheless. I won't let that one slip by 
again. (The lessons learned hardest are always the lessons learned best, huh?)

Aaargh!

k

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+karyn.hunt=scalix.com at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces+karyn.hunt=scalix@lists.frameusers.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:03 PM
To: 'framers at frameusers.com'
Subject: FW: Leader Lines

Karyn, 

There is a paragraph style on the reference page that corresponds to each
paragraph style in your TOC, this is where you set up the right-tabs with
leaders. One common problem to look for is that the right tab for your
leader is slightly beyond the edge of the text frame on the master page. If
the tab is at 6.375 and the edge of the frame is at 6.37, for example, the
leaders will disappear.

Clint

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+clint.owen=craneaerospace@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+clint.owen=craneaerospace.com at lists.frameusers.c
om]On Behalf Of Karyn Hunt
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:54 PM
To: framers
Subject: Leader Lines


Hi All,

   I'm drawing a blank and the help system isn't readily giving me the info
I need. I'm sure the info is there, I just can't find it and I'm in a
hurry...

   I have a template TOC with leader lines and a tab setting of 6.375. I've
just generated the TOC for a new book but 1) the leader lines aren't there
and 2) the file is ignoring the tab set and putting the page numbers flush
left to the chapter title text. I've imported the template formats into the
new TOC several times but it's not picking up on the leader lines or the tab
stop. (It's getting the font, font size and indent right, but losing the
info about the leader lines and tabs.) 

   What am I doing wrong? Where are my leader lines? And how can I get them
back either a) automatically or b) manually? Are leader lines set in the
paragraph designer? The format designer? The reference page? (In which case
I'm sunk b/c I don't know diddly about how to set up reference pages.)

  I'm on FrameMaker 7.1 with Windows XP and the lone writer in a small shop
with godawful deadlines and a patch due out this week.

Karyn 
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German Translation in FrameMaker

[Karyn Hunt]

Hi All,

   We?re in need of German translation services for our docs (an email 
application) and I?m wondering if any of you has found a good person/agency 
that works well with FrameMaker, RoboHelp and basic HTML editors (we use all 
three). Any recommendations on good ones are as welcome as warnings about bad 
ones. The latter can be as helpful as the former.

   Thanks muchly!

Karyn Hunt

Document Localization Process?

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