Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019
Sean, The binary data in a FrameMaker file identifies the version of FrameMaker used to create the file. Each version of FrameMaker can open files created in that version and earlier, but not files created in a later version. In particular, FM 2019 cannot open files created in FM 2020, regardless of whether those files use any FM 2020 features that were not available in earlier versions. Each version of FM can save files as previous versions. Save As has an option for the immediately preceding version. In particular, you can open one of your FM 2020 files, and select Document 2019 from Save As's Type pull-down menu to convert the file to 2019. That might be practical if you only have a few files; it is a pain for a large number. An FM 2020 script or plugin can convert a large number of files and can convert to earlier versions than the immediately preceding one. Of course, any use of FM 2020 features that didn't exist in the output version can't be preserved.w https://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html (which you can reach from the New Features button on the FM 2020 Welcome Screen) describes what's new in FM 2020. --Lynne On 10/14/2021 10:27 AM, techwordsm...@gmail.com wrote: The icon looks the same as FM 2019. The new version self-identifies as version 16, not 2020. I don't see any obvious changes off the bat. Anyone have any idea what the new changes to FM 2020 are, other than 2019 cannot open 2020 files? -- Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training lpr...@txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019
They gave you a link to the latest general release. Only participants in the beta program get to download beta versions. :D On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 10:19 PM wrote: > Well, you are right. I now have FrameMaker 16 (2020), Adobe tech support > gave me the link, but I have no idea if it is actually released or if I > have > a beta. Nobody said anything. > > The vendor was told to use FrameMaker 2019 and made a mistake and sent 2020 > files. I don't know if they are part of a beta or not. I was expecting 2019 > files, which I can open, so didn't ask for MIF. > > This opens more questions than those I originally asked Anyone in the > know, feel free to chime in. > > Cheers, > > Sean > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019
Absolutely the LSP should return the finished product using the same software version. I would make a (nice) complaint so that this doesn't happen again - or to other clients. Alison -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 10:51 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019 Are you saying that the translator used an as-yet unreleased version? Possibly an NDA violation? Is the secret download location a pre-release repository? Shouldn't the translator return a client's project in the same release it was submitted, or in MIF, to maintain compatibility? On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 12:28 PM wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I was using FM 2019 sporadically. I received files back from a translator > in > a version of FM I could not open. Notpad showed it was FM 16, which I found > was 2020. > > > > I was never notified by Adobe about the new version, any upgrade, etc., > despite being subscribed. That was a bit annoying. > > > > Anyway, after a lengthy but successful support call, I was shown a secret > URL where I could get this new version of FrameMaker, downloaded it, and > installed it. > > > > The icon looks the same as FM 2019. The new version self-identifies as > version 16, not 2020. I don't see any obvious changes off the bat. Anyone > have any idea what the new changes to FM 2020 are, other than 2019 cannot > open 2020 files? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Sean > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.frameusers.com__;!!Oq50-tQ!9_FFT5rqvLuonKOTyVsN1C8BxQYWsBwTOttPgRLOLt0OiiCzH3JP5CPZWuo4DQ2i8CQgzkjr$ > > Archives located at > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mail-archive.com/framers*40lists.frameusers.com/__;JQ!!Oq50-tQ!9_FFT5rqvLuonKOTyVsN1C8BxQYWsBwTOttPgRLOLt0OiiCzH3JP5CPZWuo4DQ2i8Ple8hAG$ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com__;!!Oq50-tQ!9_FFT5rqvLuonKOTyVsN1C8BxQYWsBwTOttPgRLOLt0OiiCzH3JP5CPZWuo4DQ2i8IiHB5-D$ > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.frameusers.com__;!!Oq50-tQ!9_FFT5rqvLuonKOTyVsN1C8BxQYWsBwTOttPgRLOLt0OiiCzH3JP5CPZWuo4DQ2i8CQgzkjr$ Archives located at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mail-archive.com/framers*40lists.frameusers.com/__;JQ!!Oq50-tQ!9_FFT5rqvLuonKOTyVsN1C8BxQYWsBwTOttPgRLOLt0OiiCzH3JP5CPZWuo4DQ2i8Ple8hAG$ Subscribe and unsubscribe at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com__;!!Oq50-tQ!9_FFT5rqvLuonKOTyVsN1C8BxQYWsBwTOttPgRLOLt0OiiCzH3JP5CPZWuo4DQ2i8IiHB5-D$ Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019
Well, you are right. I now have FrameMaker 16 (2020), Adobe tech support gave me the link, but I have no idea if it is actually released or if I have a beta. Nobody said anything. The vendor was told to use FrameMaker 2019 and made a mistake and sent 2020 files. I don't know if they are part of a beta or not. I was expecting 2019 files, which I can open, so didn't ask for MIF. This opens more questions than those I originally asked Anyone in the know, feel free to chime in. Cheers, Sean -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 1:51 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019 Are you saying that the translator used an as-yet unreleased version? Possibly an NDA violation? Is the secret download location a pre-release repository? Shouldn't the translator return a client's project in the same release it was submitted, or in MIF, to maintain compatibility? On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 12:28 PM wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I was using FM 2019 sporadically. I received files back from a > translator in a version of FM I could not open. Notpad showed it was > FM 16, which I found was 2020. > > > > I was never notified by Adobe about the new version, any upgrade, > etc., despite being subscribed. That was a bit annoying. > > > > Anyway, after a lengthy but successful support call, I was shown a > secret URL where I could get this new version of FrameMaker, > downloaded it, and installed it. > > > > The icon looks the same as FM 2019. The new version self-identifies as > version 16, not 2020. I don't see any obvious changes off the bat. > Anyone have any idea what the new changes to FM 2020 are, other than > 2019 cannot open 2020 files? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Sean > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019
The current version of FrameMaker is 16.03.979. It was released last July/August and has had 3 updates so far. Frame's update function is busticated, but that seems to be an issue with Adobe's website. You have to download it from the trial page. As long as you're subscribed, it should install just fine. Every now and again I yell at people in the ACP program or the TCS support about how busted the download and update on the website are. The link from your account page to update Frame still, after 3 years (at least) takes you to the update page for Creative Cloud! Generally speaking, most of the updates were for DITA but there were some nice things added for us non-structured people. There's a navigation pane now that can be used to navigate within a document. Right now it's file-based, but there's hope that they'll be adding book-level navigation soon. They've also added a utility you can use to split files down into multiple files based on a tag name. It has XLIFF capability for translation services, although that requires use of structured/DITA. And it FINALLY has a button for converting selected text to sentence case. ;-) They also added buttons to remove a row or column from a table, which has proven useful. https://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 1:50 PM Peter Gold wrote: > Are you saying that the translator used an as-yet unreleased version? > Possibly an NDA violation? > > Is the secret download location a pre-release repository? > > Shouldn't the translator return a client's project in the same release it > was submitted, or in MIF, to maintain compatibility? > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 12:28 PM wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I was using FM 2019 sporadically. I received files back from a translator > > in > > a version of FM I could not open. Notpad showed it was FM 16, which I > found > > was 2020. > > > > > > > > I was never notified by Adobe about the new version, any upgrade, etc., > > despite being subscribed. That was a bit annoying. > > > > > > > > Anyway, after a lengthy but successful support call, I was shown a secret > > URL where I could get this new version of FrameMaker, downloaded it, and > > installed it. > > > > > > > > The icon looks the same as FM 2019. The new version self-identifies as > > version 16, not 2020. I don't see any obvious changes off the bat. Anyone > > have any idea what the new changes to FM 2020 are, other than 2019 cannot > > open 2020 files? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Sean > > > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019
Are you saying that the translator used an as-yet unreleased version? Possibly an NDA violation? Is the secret download location a pre-release repository? Shouldn't the translator return a client's project in the same release it was submitted, or in MIF, to maintain compatibility? On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 12:28 PM wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I was using FM 2019 sporadically. I received files back from a translator > in > a version of FM I could not open. Notpad showed it was FM 16, which I found > was 2020. > > > > I was never notified by Adobe about the new version, any upgrade, etc., > despite being subscribed. That was a bit annoying. > > > > Anyway, after a lengthy but successful support call, I was shown a secret > URL where I could get this new version of FrameMaker, downloaded it, and > installed it. > > > > The icon looks the same as FM 2019. The new version self-identifies as > version 16, not 2020. I don't see any obvious changes off the bat. Anyone > have any idea what the new changes to FM 2020 are, other than 2019 cannot > open 2020 files? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Sean > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019
Hi all, I was using FM 2019 sporadically. I received files back from a translator in a version of FM I could not open. Notpad showed it was FM 16, which I found was 2020. I was never notified by Adobe about the new version, any upgrade, etc., despite being subscribed. That was a bit annoying. Anyway, after a lengthy but successful support call, I was shown a secret URL where I could get this new version of FrameMaker, downloaded it, and installed it. The icon looks the same as FM 2019. The new version self-identifies as version 16, not 2020. I don't see any obvious changes off the bat. Anyone have any idea what the new changes to FM 2020 are, other than 2019 cannot open 2020 files? Cheers, Sean ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
