Re: Bug: FrameMaker 8 changes dash \= in paragraph numbering of FM 7 MIF
Hello All - This is not just in FM 8.0 The bug exists to some extent in 7.2 as well, and it is a pickle other ways. Recently I inadvertently included a numeric space in an autonumber and ePP 9.2 totally choked on it. As to FM 7.2 and non-breaking hyphens in autonumbers, I've resorted to replacing them with periods - after I discovered that FM was changing the non-breaking hyphens into n-dashes - so now I have, for example, Fig. 9.2 rather than Fig. 9–2. (Before the bug FM used to give me Fig. 9-2). It's amazing how little the readers care (or notice) the change. Still, it would be nice to get what one asks for. Will White ViaLogy LLC On Dec 13, 2007, at 12:46 AM, Shlomo Perets wrote: Sarah O'Keefe wrote: We are noticing a similar problem related to autonumbering even without the MIF conversion you describe. For instance: 1. Define a paragraph autonumber that includes an em space (\sm) and some text. (Note:\sm) 2. Reopen the paragraph designer and change only the autonumber text (change Note to Tip). Notice that the \sm turns into something weird and renders as a ?? in your document. There appears to be a problem with special characters that are inserted with a backslash (\). The problem seems to be present in all text fields in dialog boxes (variables, cross-references, pgf numbering, markers), with the backslash sequences for a non-breaking hyphen (\+) and special spaces (\sm, \sn, \st, \s#) . When the dialog box definition is updated, a question mark appear in the document instead of the special character. To fix the problem, you need to edit the text in the dialog box (delete the box character and insert the backslash sequence again). Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com Training, consulting add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat +++ There's the right way and the wrong way. Then there's my way - which is like the wrong way, but faster. +++ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Bug: FrameMaker 8 changes dash \= in paragraph numbering of FM 7 MIF
Hello All - This is not just in FM 8.0 The bug exists to some extent in 7.2 as well, and it is a pickle other ways. Recently I inadvertently included a numeric space in an autonumber and ePP 9.2 totally choked on it. As to FM 7.2 and non-breaking hyphens in autonumbers, I've resorted to replacing them with periods - after I discovered that FM was changing the non-breaking hyphens into n-dashes - so now I have, for example, Fig. 9.2 rather than Fig. 9?2. (Before the bug FM used to give me Fig. 9-2). It's amazing how little the readers care (or notice) the change. Still, it would be nice to get what one asks for. Will White ViaLogy LLC On Dec 13, 2007, at 12:46 AM, Shlomo Perets wrote: > Sarah O'Keefe wrote: > >> We are noticing a similar problem related to autonumbering even >> without >> the MIF conversion you describe. >> >> For instance: >> >> 1. Define a paragraph autonumber that includes an em space (\sm) and >> some text. (Note:\sm) >> 2. Reopen the paragraph designer and change only the autonumber text >> (change "Note" to "Tip"). >> Notice that the \sm turns into something weird and renders as a ?? in >> your document. >> >> There appears to be a problem with special characters that are >> inserted >> with a backslash (\). > > > The problem seems to be present in all text fields in dialog boxes > (variables, cross-references, pgf numbering, markers), with the > backslash sequences for a non-breaking hyphen (\+) and special > spaces (\sm, \sn, \st, \s#) . > > When the dialog box definition is updated, a question mark appear in > the document instead of the special character. > > To fix the problem, you need to edit the text in the dialog box > (delete the box character and insert the backslash sequence again). > > > Shlomo Perets > > MicroType, http://www.microtype.com > Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat > > +++ There's the right way and the wrong way. Then there's my way - which is like the wrong way, but faster. +++
re: Bug: FrameMaker 8 changes dash \= in paragraph numbering of FM 7 MIF
Sarah O'Keefe wrote: We are noticing a similar problem related to autonumbering even without the MIF conversion you describe. For instance: 1. Define a paragraph autonumber that includes an em space (\sm) and some text. (Note:\sm) 2. Reopen the paragraph designer and change only the autonumber text (change Note to Tip). Notice that the \sm turns into something weird and renders as a ?? in your document. There appears to be a problem with special characters that are inserted with a backslash (\). The problem seems to be present in all text fields in dialog boxes (variables, cross-references, pgf numbering, markers), with the backslash sequences for a non-breaking hyphen (\+) and special spaces (\sm, \sn, \st, \s#) . When the dialog box definition is updated, a question mark appear in the document instead of the special character. To fix the problem, you need to edit the text in the dialog box (delete the box character and insert the backslash sequence again). Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com Training, consulting add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Bug: FrameMaker 8 changes dash \= in paragraph numbering of FM 7 MIF
Sarah O'Keefe wrote: >We are noticing a similar problem related to autonumbering even without >the MIF conversion you describe. > >For instance: > >1. Define a paragraph autonumber that includes an em space (\sm) and >some text. (Note:\sm) >2. Reopen the paragraph designer and change only the autonumber text >(change "Note" to "Tip"). >Notice that the \sm turns into something weird and renders as a ?? in >your document. > >There appears to be a problem with special characters that are inserted >with a backslash (\). The problem seems to be present in all text fields in dialog boxes (variables, cross-references, pgf numbering, markers), with the backslash sequences for a non-breaking hyphen (\+) and special spaces (\sm, \sn, \st, \s#) . When the dialog box definition is updated, a question mark appear in the document instead of the special character. To fix the problem, you need to edit the text in the dialog box (delete the box character and insert the backslash sequence again). Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat
Re: Bug: FrameMaker 8 changes dash \= in paragraph numbering of FM 7 MIF
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:51:43 +0100, Reng, Dr. Winfried [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noticed that the dashes which I defined in the paragraph numbering to mark the list items are exchanged by: 'Äì Actually the first char is the *baseline* single quote... What happened is that the en dash, U+2013, was encoded in UTF-8 (correctly) as bytes E2 80 93, so you see the corresponding Frame characters... The trouble, of course, is that MIF pre-8.0 knows nothing of UTF-8. It's a bug. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Bug: FrameMaker 8 changes dash \= in paragraph numbering of FM 7 MIF
Hi Sarah, Yes. I noticed this em space problem also with the running HF variables. (Already posted.) Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: Sarah O'Keefe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:38 PM To: Reng, Dr. Winfried; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bug: FrameMaker 8 changes dash \= in paragraph numbering of FM 7 MIF Hi there, We are noticing a similar problem related to autonumbering even without the MIF conversion you describe. For instance: 1. Define a paragraph autonumber that includes an em space (\sm) and some text. (Note:\sm) 2. Reopen the paragraph designer and change only the autonumber text (change Note to Tip). Notice that the \sm turns into something weird and renders as a ?? in your document. There appears to be a problem with special characters that are inserted with a backslash (\). Regards, Sarah O'Keefe Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: Hi, Our translation agency uses Trados, which cannot handle FM 8 files yet. Therefore I converted everything to FM 7 MIF files (new option in Save As). When I got the files back, I noticed that the dashes which I defined in the paragraph numbering to mark the list items are exchanged by: 'Äì In FM 7 in the paragraph designer I had: \t\=\t (it's a second level list). In the FM 8 binary file this was changed to: \t-\t In the file the dash is displayed correctly. When I open a MIF 7.0 file this was changed to: \t'Äì\t (paragraph designer) In the FM file of this MIF 7.0 file the numbering is displayed as: squareÄìtab (the square is here a character which FM cannot display) We use Univers (non-Unicode). And that's probably the reason. But still FM should not convert the dash. This is no problem with MIF 8.0 files. FM 8 opened also FM 7 binary files with this list numbering correctly. Best regards Winfried -- ## ## Sarah O'Keefe Scriptorium Publishing Services, Inc. Blog: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Bug: FrameMaker 8 changes dash \= in paragraph numbering of FM 7 MIF
I believe that using a numeric space in an autonumber will also cause ePP to crash. Will White On Nov 16, 2007, at 5:49 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: Hi Sarah, Yes. I noticed this em space problem also with the running HF variables. (Already posted.) Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: Sarah O'Keefe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:38 PM To: Reng, Dr. Winfried; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bug: FrameMaker 8 changes dash \= in paragraph numbering of FM 7 MIF Hi there, We are noticing a similar problem related to autonumbering even without the MIF conversion you describe. For instance: 1. Define a paragraph autonumber that includes an em space (\sm) and some text. (Note:\sm) 2. Reopen the paragraph designer and change only the autonumber text (change Note to Tip). Notice that the \sm turns into something weird and renders as a ?? in your document. There appears to be a problem with special characters that are inserted with a backslash (\). Regards, Sarah O'Keefe Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: Hi, Our translation agency uses Trados, which cannot handle FM 8 files yet. Therefore I converted everything to FM 7 MIF files (new option in Save As). When I got the files back, I noticed that the dashes which I defined in the paragraph numbering to mark the list items are exchanged by: 'Äì In FM 7 in the paragraph designer I had: \t\=\t (it's a second level list). In the FM 8 binary file this was changed to: \t-\t In the file the dash is displayed correctly. When I open a MIF 7.0 file this was changed to: \t'Äì\t (paragraph designer) In the FM file of this MIF 7.0 file the numbering is displayed as: squareÄìtab (the square is here a character which FM cannot display) We use Univers (non-Unicode). And that's probably the reason. But still FM should not convert the dash. This is no problem with MIF 8.0 files. FM 8 opened also FM 7 binary files with this list numbering correctly. Best regards Winfried -- ## ## Sarah O'KeefeScriptorium Publishing Services, Inc. Blog: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ whitefamily%40mac.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. +++ There's the right way and the wrong way. Then there's my way - which is like the wrong way, but faster. +++ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Bug: FrameMaker 8 changes dash \= in paragraph numbering of FM 7 MIF
Hi there, We are noticing a similar problem related to autonumbering even without the MIF conversion you describe. For instance: 1. Define a paragraph autonumber that includes an em space (\sm) and some text. (Note:\sm) 2. Reopen the paragraph designer and change only the autonumber text (change Note to Tip). Notice that the \sm turns into something weird and renders as a ?? in your document. There appears to be a problem with special characters that are inserted with a backslash (\). Regards, Sarah O'Keefe Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: Hi, Our translation agency uses Trados, which cannot handle FM 8 files yet. Therefore I converted everything to FM 7 MIF files (new option in Save As). When I got the files back, I noticed that the dashes which I defined in the paragraph numbering to mark the list items are exchanged by: 'Äì In FM 7 in the paragraph designer I had: \t\=\t (it's a second level list). In the FM 8 binary file this was changed to: \t-\t In the file the dash is displayed correctly. When I open a MIF 7.0 file this was changed to: \t'Äì\t (paragraph designer) In the FM file of this MIF 7.0 file the numbering is displayed as: squareÄìtab (the square is here a character which FM cannot display) We use Univers (non-Unicode). And that's probably the reason. But still FM should not convert the dash. This is no problem with MIF 8.0 files. FM 8 opened also FM 7 binary files with this list numbering correctly. Best regards Winfried -- Sarah O'Keefe Scriptorium Publishing Services, Inc. Blog: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Bug: FrameMaker 8 changes dash \= in paragraph numbering of FM 7 MIF
Hi, Our translation agency uses Trados, which cannot handle FM 8 files yet. Therefore I converted everything to FM 7 MIF files (new option in Save As). When I got the files back, I noticed that the dashes which I defined in the paragraph numbering to mark the list items are exchanged by: 'Äì In FM 7 in the paragraph designer I had: \t\=\t (it's a second level list). In the FM 8 binary file this was changed to: \t-\t In the file the dash is displayed correctly. When I open a MIF 7.0 file this was changed to: \t'Äì\t (paragraph designer) In the FM file of this MIF 7.0 file the numbering is displayed as: squareÄìtab (the square is here a character which FM cannot display) We use Univers (non-Unicode). And that's probably the reason. But still FM should not convert the dash. This is no problem with MIF 8.0 files. FM 8 opened also FM 7 binary files with this list numbering correctly. Best regards Winfried ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Bug: FrameMaker 8 changes dash \= in paragraph numbering of FM 7 MIF
Hi, Our translation agency uses Trados, which cannot handle FM 8 files yet. Therefore I converted everything to FM 7 MIF files (new option in Save As). When I got the files back, I noticed that the dashes which I defined in the paragraph numbering to mark the list items are exchanged by: '?? In FM 7 in the paragraph designer I had: \t\=\t (it's a second level list). In the FM 8 binary file this was changed to: \t-\t In the file the dash is displayed correctly. When I open a MIF 7.0 file this was changed to: \t'??\t (paragraph designer) In the FM file of this MIF 7.0 file the numbering is displayed as: square??tab (the square is here a character which FM cannot display) We use Univers (non-Unicode). And that's probably the reason. But still FM should not convert the dash. This is no problem with MIF 8.0 files. FM 8 opened also FM 7 binary files with this list numbering correctly. Best regards Winfried
Bug: FrameMaker 8 changes dash \= in paragraph numbering of FM 7 MIF
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:51:43 +0100, "Reng, Dr. Winfried" wrote: >I noticed that the dashes which I defined >in the paragraph numbering to mark the list items are >exchanged by: '?? Actually the first char is the *baseline* single quote... What happened is that the en dash, U+2013, was encoded in UTF-8 (correctly) as bytes E2 80 93, so you see the corresponding Frame characters... The trouble, of course, is that MIF pre-8.0 knows nothing of UTF-8. It's a bug. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Bug: FrameMaker 8 changes dash \= in paragraph numbering of FM 7 MIF
Hi there, We are noticing a similar problem related to autonumbering even without the MIF conversion you describe. For instance: 1. Define a paragraph autonumber that includes an em space (\sm) and some text. (Note:\sm) 2. Reopen the paragraph designer and change only the autonumber text (change "Note" to "Tip"). Notice that the \sm turns into something weird and renders as a ?? in your document. There appears to be a problem with special characters that are inserted with a backslash (\). Regards, Sarah O'Keefe Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: > Hi, > > Our translation agency uses Trados, which cannot > handle FM 8 files yet. Therefore I converted everything > to FM 7 MIF files (new option in Save As). When I got > the files back, I noticed that the dashes which I defined > in the paragraph numbering to mark the list items are > exchanged by: '?? > In FM 7 in the paragraph designer I had: \t\=\t > (it's a second level list). > In the FM 8 binary file this was changed to: \t-\t > In the file the dash is displayed correctly. > When I open a MIF 7.0 file this was changed to: \t'??\t > (paragraph designer) > In the FM file of this MIF 7.0 file the numbering is > displayed as: square??tab > (the square is here a character which FM cannot display) > > We use Univers (non-Unicode). And that's probably the > reason. But still FM should not convert the dash. > > This is no problem with MIF 8.0 files. FM 8 opened > also FM 7 binary files with this list numbering correctly. > > Best regards > > Winfried -- Sarah O'Keefe Scriptorium Publishing Services, Inc. Blog: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest
Bug: FrameMaker 8 changes dash \= in paragraph numbering of FM 7 MIF
Hi Sarah, Yes. I noticed this em space problem also with the running HF variables. (Already posted.) Best regards Winfried > -Original Message- > From: Sarah O'Keefe [mailto:okeefe at scriptorium.com] > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:38 PM > To: Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers at frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Bug: FrameMaker 8 changes dash \= in paragraph > numbering of > FM 7 MIF > > > Hi there, > > We are noticing a similar problem related to autonumbering > even without > the MIF conversion you describe. > > For instance: > > 1. Define a paragraph autonumber that includes an em space (\sm) and > some text. (Note:\sm) > 2. Reopen the paragraph designer and change only the autonumber text > (change "Note" to "Tip"). > Notice that the \sm turns into something weird and renders as a ?? in > your document. > > There appears to be a problem with special characters that > are inserted > with a backslash (\). > > Regards, > > Sarah O'Keefe > > Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Our translation agency uses Trados, which cannot > > handle FM 8 files yet. Therefore I converted everything > > to FM 7 MIF files (new option in Save As). When I got > > the files back, I noticed that the dashes which I defined > > in the paragraph numbering to mark the list items are > > exchanged by: '?? > > In FM 7 in the paragraph designer I had: \t\=\t > > (it's a second level list). > > In the FM 8 binary file this was changed to: \t-\t > > In the file the dash is displayed correctly. > > When I open a MIF 7.0 file this was changed to: \t'??\t > > (paragraph designer) > > In the FM file of this MIF 7.0 file the numbering is > > displayed as: square??tab > > (the square is here a character which FM cannot display) > > > > We use Univers (non-Unicode). And that's probably the > > reason. But still FM should not convert the dash. > > > > This is no problem with MIF 8.0 files. FM 8 opened > > also FM 7 binary files with this list numbering correctly. > > > > Best regards > > > > Winfried > -- > ## > ## > Sarah O'Keefe Scriptorium Publishing Services, Inc. > Blog: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest
Bug: FrameMaker 8 changes dash \= in paragraph numbering of FM 7 MIF
I believe that using a numeric space in an autonumber will also cause ePP to crash. Will White On Nov 16, 2007, at 5:49 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: > Hi Sarah, > > Yes. I noticed this em space problem also with > the running HF variables. (Already posted.) > > Best regards > > Winfried > >> -Original Message- >> From: Sarah O'Keefe [mailto:okeefe at scriptorium.com] >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:38 PM >> To: Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers at frameusers.com >> Subject: Re: Bug: FrameMaker 8 changes dash \= in paragraph >> numbering of >> FM 7 MIF >> >> >> Hi there, >> >> We are noticing a similar problem related to autonumbering >> even without >> the MIF conversion you describe. >> >> For instance: >> >> 1. Define a paragraph autonumber that includes an em space (\sm) and >> some text. (Note:\sm) >> 2. Reopen the paragraph designer and change only the autonumber text >> (change "Note" to "Tip"). >> Notice that the \sm turns into something weird and renders as a ?? in >> your document. >> >> There appears to be a problem with special characters that >> are inserted >> with a backslash (\). >> >> Regards, >> >> Sarah O'Keefe >> >> Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Our translation agency uses Trados, which cannot >>> handle FM 8 files yet. Therefore I converted everything >>> to FM 7 MIF files (new option in Save As). When I got >>> the files back, I noticed that the dashes which I defined >>> in the paragraph numbering to mark the list items are >>> exchanged by: '?? >>> In FM 7 in the paragraph designer I had: \t\=\t >>> (it's a second level list). >>> In the FM 8 binary file this was changed to: \t-\t >>> In the file the dash is displayed correctly. >>> When I open a MIF 7.0 file this was changed to: \t'??\t >>> (paragraph designer) >>> In the FM file of this MIF 7.0 file the numbering is >>> displayed as: square??tab >>> (the square is here a character which FM cannot display) >>> >>> We use Univers (non-Unicode). And that's probably the >>> reason. But still FM should not convert the dash. >>> >>> This is no problem with MIF 8.0 files. FM 8 opened >>> also FM 7 binary files with this list numbering correctly. >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Winfried >> -- >> ## >> ## >> Sarah O'KeefeScriptorium Publishing Services, Inc. >> Blog: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as whitefamily at mac.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ > whitefamily%40mac.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. +++ There's the right way and the wrong way. Then there's my way - which is like the wrong way, but faster. +++
