RE: FM8 HTML output
Judy, It sounds like you need some help setting up the numbering of chapters, headings, pages, and figures in your template. If you are in San Diego, I think Matt Sullivan is in your area and my understanding is that he is knowledgeable about FM and the TCS. His site is http://www.grafixtraining.com/ If you have to go it alone then I think the Adobe FM7.0 Classroom in a Book is a good resource. I had a great FM teacher in Boulder CO and we used that book. I'm in a similar boat in that I'm very familiar with RH, but less so with FM. Are you importing FM8 files directly or importing by reference? Importing by reference means your FM8 files stay synced with your HTML output. Two days ago I hooked up (imported by reference) an FM8 book to RH7 based on a PDF presentation from Kevin Siegal and a video by RJ Jacquez (see below). I have most of the stuff working that I need and I am trying to iron out the style mapping. I may wait to come back to this project after I've taken Kevin Siegal's virtual training class. Search for Kevin Siegal's presentation called Blurring the Production Lines here: http://www.stc.org/edu/55thConf/index.asp Kevin Siegal's site is http://www.iconlogic.com/ I plan to take his virtual training class called Integrating Adobe's Technical Communication Suite on October 18. RJ Jacquez, Adobe Product Manager, has a training video on getting started with TCS. Its located at https://admin.adobe.acrobat.com/_a295153/p13101233/ I've gone thru this a couple times and made a how doc from it. I'm getting grief from my manager because he said that he thought TCS was supposed to be integrated. He's half joking, but the additional time its taking me to figure this out from sources outside the user doc is messing up my schedule. Its too bad the product documentation from Adobe does not adequately cover the integration of FM and RH. One last thing. When the sys reqs for TCS say Intel(r) Pentium(r) 4 processor, they mean it. After a series of daily crashes, I'm upgrading my 1.5 GHz Pentium machine with 2 GB RAM to 2.8ghz p4 Dual Core processor with 2 GB RAM. Good luck and stay in touch, Charlie Kyle -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:54 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM8 HTML output Charlie, I'm trying to do the same thing. I've used RH for years, but I'm new to FM. I've finally gotten *most* of the unstructured FM functionality down and I'm moving my doc set into TCS. I'd be more than willing to share notes. I began with 1 shorter chapters (less than 100 pgs.) and was able to import them by copy to FM8 and tweak the formatting. I was also able to successfully add those by reference to RH.(At least I got topic files in RH. I haven't fiddled with the TOC and index.) Last week I attempted a much larger chapter and RH doesn't recognize it as a valid FM file. I found a thread in the user forum that said there's a file size limit. If I remember correctly, their experience was that 25MB would work. I've had 15MB files go unrecognized. I went back into FM and learned a lot about document properties and book settings, and am in the process of trying to work around that size limit. I was trying to include numbered chapters, headings, figures, and pages. I can do it successfully in 1 continuous *.fm file, but I have trouble if I have to break it into smaller files. I can get the page numbers to run consecutively, but heading, figure and table numbers restart with each new fm file! I think I may be able to further decrease my file size by entering the images by reference too, but that will take way more time than I have before my release deadline in early Dec.. (Did I mention I'm a lone writer and have to start writing the new content now?! This is a major leap of faith!) Does anyone out there have any ideas? Judy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 3:00 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Framers Digest, Vol 35, Issue 15 Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Framers digest... Today's Topics: 1. Handling source files for translation to several languages (Andersen, Verner Engell VEA) 2. RE: FM8 HTML output (Diane Gaskill) 3. Re: FM8 HTML output (Yves Barbion) 4. Re: Hypertext command (Shlomo Perets) 5. Translation into japanese and chinese (Andersen, Verner Engell VEA) 6. Is it possible to use a PNG
FM8 HTML output
Judy, It sounds like you need some help setting up the numbering of chapters, headings, pages, and figures in your template. If you are in San Diego, I think Matt Sullivan is in your area and my understanding is that he is knowledgeable about FM and the TCS. His site is http://www.grafixtraining.com/ If you have to go it alone then I think the "Adobe FM7.0 Classroom in a Book" is a good resource. I had a great FM teacher in Boulder CO and we used that book. I'm in a similar boat in that I'm very familiar with RH, but less so with FM. Are you importing FM8 files directly or importing by reference? Importing by reference means your FM8 files stay synced with your HTML output. Two days ago I hooked up (imported by reference) an FM8 book to RH7 based on a PDF presentation from Kevin Siegal and a video by RJ Jacquez (see below). I have most of the stuff working that I need and I am trying to iron out the style mapping. I may wait to come back to this project after I've taken Kevin Siegal's virtual training class. Search for Kevin Siegal's presentation called "Blurring the Production Lines" here: http://www.stc.org/edu/55thConf/index.asp Kevin Siegal's site is http://www.iconlogic.com/ I plan to take his virtual training class called "Integrating Adobe's Technical Communication Suite" on October 18. RJ Jacquez, Adobe Product Manager, has a training video on getting started with TCS. Its located at https://admin.adobe.acrobat.com/_a295153/p13101233/ I've gone thru this a couple times and made a how doc from it. I'm getting grief from my manager because he said that he thought TCS was supposed to be integrated. He's half joking, but the additional time its taking me to figure this out from sources outside the user doc is messing up my schedule. Its too bad the product documentation from Adobe does not adequately cover the integration of FM and RH. One last thing. When the sys reqs for TCS say Intel(r) Pentium(r) 4 processor, they mean it. After a series of daily crashes, I'm upgrading my 1.5 GHz Pentium machine with 2 GB RAM to 2.8ghz p4 Dual Core processor with 2 GB RAM. Good luck and stay in touch, Charlie Kyle -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Judy Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:54 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM8 HTML output Charlie, I'm trying to do the same thing. I've used RH for years, but I'm new to FM. I've finally gotten *most* of the unstructured FM functionality down and I'm moving my doc set into TCS. I'd be more than willing to share notes. I began with 1 shorter chapters (less than 100 pgs.) and was able to import them by copy to FM8 and tweak the formatting. I was also able to successfully add those by reference to RH.(At least I got topic files in RH. I haven't fiddled with the TOC and index.) Last week I attempted a much larger chapter and RH doesn't recognize it as a valid FM file. I found a thread in the user forum that said there's a file size limit. If I remember correctly, their experience was that 25MB would work. I've had 15MB files go "unrecognized". I went back into FM and learned a lot about document properties and book settings, and am in the process of trying to work around that size limit. I was trying to include numbered chapters, headings, figures, and pages. I can do it successfully in 1 continuous *.fm file, but I have trouble if I have to break it into smaller files. I can get the page numbers to run consecutively, but heading, figure and table numbers restart with each new fm file! I think I may be able to further decrease my file size by entering the images by reference too, but that will take way more time than I have before my release deadline in early Dec.. (Did I mention I'm a lone writer and have to start writing the new content now?! This is a major leap of faith!) Does anyone out there have any ideas? Judy -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of framers-request at lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 3:00 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Framers Digest, Vol 35, Issue 15 Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers at lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to framers-request at lists.frameusers.com You can reach the person managing the list at framers-owner at lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Handling source files for translation to several languages (Andersen, Verner Engell VEA) 2. RE: FM8 HTML output (Dian
RE: FM8 HTML output
Charlie, I'm trying to do the same thing. I've used RH for years, but I'm new to FM. I've finally gotten *most* of the unstructured FM functionality down and I'm moving my doc set into TCS. I'd be more than willing to share notes. I began with 1 shorter chapters (less than 100 pgs.) and was able to import them by copy to FM8 and tweak the formatting. I was also able to successfully add those by reference to RH.(At least I got topic files in RH. I haven't fiddled with the TOC and index.) Last week I attempted a much larger chapter and RH doesn't recognize it as a valid FM file. I found a thread in the user forum that said there's a file size limit. If I remember correctly, their experience was that 25MB would work. I've had 15MB files go unrecognized. I went back into FM and learned a lot about document properties and book settings, and am in the process of trying to work around that size limit. I was trying to include numbered chapters, headings, figures, and pages. I can do it successfully in 1 continuous *.fm file, but I have trouble if I have to break it into smaller files. I can get the page numbers to run consecutively, but heading, figure and table numbers restart with each new fm file! I think I may be able to further decrease my file size by entering the images by reference too, but that will take way more time than I have before my release deadline in early Dec.. (Did I mention I'm a lone writer and have to start writing the new content now?! This is a major leap of faith!) Does anyone out there have any ideas? Judy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 3:00 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Framers Digest, Vol 35, Issue 15 Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Framers digest... Today's Topics: 1. Handling source files for translation to several languages (Andersen, Verner Engell VEA) 2. RE: FM8 HTML output (Diane Gaskill) 3. Re: FM8 HTML output (Yves Barbion) 4. Re: Hypertext command (Shlomo Perets) 5. Translation into japanese and chinese (Andersen, Verner Engell VEA) 6. Is it possible to use a PNG with transparency in FM 7.2? (Roger Bell) 7. RE: Tageditor and Framemaker, any special rules (Andersen, Verner Engell VEA) 8. RE: SOLVED Re: Acrobat displays only B/W (Lea Rush) 9. Renaming 300 linked graphics in Framemaker (Andersen, Verner Engell VEA) 10. Re: Renaming 300 linked graphics in Framemaker (John Posada) 11. Re: Renaming 300 linked graphics in Framemaker (Vijay) 12. Re: Renaming 300 linked graphics in Framemaker (Rick Quatro) 13. Re: Renaming 300 linked graphics in Framemaker (Yves Barbion) 14. Re: Renaming 300 linked graphics in Framemaker (Scott Prentice) 15. RE: Renaming 300 linked graphics in Framemaker (Kelly McDaniel) 16. OT: Place to search for Frame contracts (Jerilynne Knight) 17. Display date text insets changed in containter file (Mollye Barrett) 18. FM8 crashes (Charlie Kyle) 19. RE: FM8 crashes (Lea Rush) 20. RE: Handling source files for translation to several languages (Diane Gaskill) 21. RE: FM8 crashes (Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)) 22. RE: FM8 crashes (Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)) 23. Rename Files - Was Hypertext command ( FCI Info ) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:46:14 +0200 From: Andersen, Verner Engell VEA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Handling source files for translation to several languages To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] om Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We are going to translate our FM books into several languages. We use unstructured Framemaker. Right now our directory structure looks as follows: Language folder - Text insets (corporate) (disclaimer, warranty, eula, terms of use) - Graphics (corporate) (logo, IVD, CE) - Text insets (product-specific) - Product manual folder - Framemaker files - PDF files - Graphics (language specific) - Graphics (product generic) Do you have a suggestion of how to handle the translation process? I know that the translators are to use a tag editor and that the files are to go into Trados. I suggest that the Framemaker files are converted to .mif and that the same folder structure is created in each language. I also suggest that we keep the same file names for graphics in all languages. How do you handle
FM8 HTML output
Charlie, I'm trying to do the same thing. I've used RH for years, but I'm new to FM. I've finally gotten *most* of the unstructured FM functionality down and I'm moving my doc set into TCS. I'd be more than willing to share notes. I began with 1 shorter chapters (less than 100 pgs.) and was able to import them by copy to FM8 and tweak the formatting. I was also able to successfully add those by reference to RH.(At least I got topic files in RH. I haven't fiddled with the TOC and index.) Last week I attempted a much larger chapter and RH doesn't recognize it as a valid FM file. I found a thread in the user forum that said there's a file size limit. If I remember correctly, their experience was that 25MB would work. I've had 15MB files go "unrecognized". I went back into FM and learned a lot about document properties and book settings, and am in the process of trying to work around that size limit. I was trying to include numbered chapters, headings, figures, and pages. I can do it successfully in 1 continuous *.fm file, but I have trouble if I have to break it into smaller files. I can get the page numbers to run consecutively, but heading, figure and table numbers restart with each new fm file! I think I may be able to further decrease my file size by entering the images by reference too, but that will take way more time than I have before my release deadline in early Dec.. (Did I mention I'm a lone writer and have to start writing the new content now?! This is a major leap of faith!) Does anyone out there have any ideas? Judy -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of framers-request at lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 3:00 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Framers Digest, Vol 35, Issue 15 Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers at lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to framers-request at lists.frameusers.com You can reach the person managing the list at framers-owner at lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Handling source files for translation to several languages (Andersen, Verner Engell VEA) 2. RE: FM8 HTML output (Diane Gaskill) 3. Re: FM8 HTML output (Yves Barbion) 4. Re: Hypertext command (Shlomo Perets) 5. Translation into japanese and chinese (Andersen, Verner Engell VEA) 6. Is it possible to use a PNG with transparency in FM 7.2? (Roger Bell) 7. RE: Tageditor and Framemaker, any special rules (Andersen, Verner Engell VEA) 8. RE: SOLVED Re: Acrobat displays only B/W (Lea Rush) 9. Renaming 300 linked graphics in Framemaker (Andersen, Verner Engell VEA) 10. Re: Renaming 300 linked graphics in Framemaker (John Posada) 11. Re: Renaming 300 linked graphics in Framemaker (Vijay) 12. Re: Renaming 300 linked graphics in Framemaker (Rick Quatro) 13. Re: Renaming 300 linked graphics in Framemaker (Yves Barbion) 14. Re: Renaming 300 linked graphics in Framemaker (Scott Prentice) 15. RE: Renaming 300 linked graphics in Framemaker (Kelly McDaniel) 16. OT: Place to search for Frame contracts (Jerilynne Knight) 17. Display date text insets changed in containter file (Mollye Barrett) 18. FM8 crashes (Charlie Kyle) 19. RE: FM8 crashes (Lea Rush) 20. RE: Handling source files for translation to several languages (Diane Gaskill) 21. RE: FM8 crashes (Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)) 22. RE: FM8 crashes (Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)) 23. Rename Files - Was Hypertext command ( FCI Info ) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:46:14 +0200 From: "Andersen, Verner Engell VEA" <verner.ander...@radiometer.dk> Subject: Handling source files for translation to several languages To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We are going to translate our FM books into several languages. We use unstructured Framemaker. Right now our directory structure looks as follows: Language folder - Text insets (corporate) (disclaimer, warranty, eula, terms of use) - Graphics (corporate) (logo, IVD, CE) - Text insets (product-specific) - Product manual folder - Framemaker files - PDF files - Graphics (language specific) - Graphics (product generic) Do you have a suggestion of how to handle the translation process? I know that the translators are to use a tag editor and that the files are to go into Trados. I suggest that the Framemaker files are converted to .mif and that the same folder structure is created
FM8 HTML output
Charlie, I and my colleagues can recommend Matt highly. He came to HDS and taught us how to use the TCS in just two days. He did a great job. Diane Gaskill Hitachi Data Systems Santa Clara, CA -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Charlie Kyle Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 4:29 PM To: Matt Sullivan; Combs, Richard; bruce.macarthur at vsea.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM8 HTML output I am in the midst of hooking up a FM8 book to RH7. I'm following the instructions from RJ Jacquez demo at https://admin.adobe.acrobat.com/_a295153/p13101233/ This seems to be the only source of information from Adobe on how to do this. I'm importing the book by reference into an existing RH7 project and then going thru a reiterative process to fine tune stuff like style maps and xref styles. I was completely baffled by how get the FM TOC and Index associated with the Help project. As I was writing this email, I remembered a presentation by Kevin Siegal that I downloaded from the STC 2008 Conference web site. In there, I just found out that the TOC and Index have to be assigned to a RH layout. Caution! Small Digression: This process is reminding me of when I used to try to play Dungeons and Dragons from a VAX command line prompt. This was BI (Before Internet) when we had more time for such things and Games weren't part of the GNP :-) Does anyone know of a source for some information about hooking up FM8 books to RH7? Thanks, Charlie Kyle -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sullivan Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 2:29 PM To: 'Combs, Richard'; bruce.macarthur at vsea.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM8 HTML output If, along with FM, you have a need to keep Acrobat, Captivate or RoboHelp licenses current then the TCS is hard to beat. Along with the 4 apps is extra integration beyond HTM or Help outputs. Put Flash movies & simulations along with working 3D models into FM and output to the needed PDF or Help format. TCS 1.x is a bit finicky in setup and can have a 5-10 hour learning curve on the first project, but has a huge return on investment after setup. Currently there are only a few folks who can help with support outside Adobe. If you need help, let me know. If anyone else out there is working at a high level in this, let me (& Adobe) know and we can trade notes. -Matt Sullivan ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as dgcaller at earthlink.net. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM8 HTML output
Better news is also that the new ePublisher platform (2008.2) has improved A LOT: - Better UI - Good DITA support (with the DITA Open Toolkit integrated) - Better documentation (Help) and a wealth of valuable information on the WebWorks site (videos, wiki Help Center...) - The ability to handle "mixed content" as input: not only "unstructured" FrameMaker files, but also DITA maps and even W*rd files. Surely, only 1 "input adapter" is included when you buy ePublisher and you have buy the additional ones, but at least you have this option. - Better configuration: 1 ePublisher Pro to design "stationery" (style sheets) and a number of ePublisher Express licenses to generate output, using the stationery. - A number of "themes" included by default. So, Bruce, if you develop templates for the writers of your techpubs group, I think the new ePublisher platform is well worth the investment. Admittedly, you'll have to redesign your ePublisher "templates", but you'll get a lot in return. And the tech writers can use Express and your stationery to generate their output. You can always request an evaluation version and compare it with MIF2Go (which is great too) and RoboHelp. -- Yves Barbion ? Managing Director Scripto ? Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor www.scripto.nu ? skype: yves.barbion ? T: +32 494 12 01 89 On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 10:53 PM, Combs, Richard wrote: > > OK, I've got bad news, worse news, and then better news for you. :-) > > Bad: WebWorks Publisher is long dead. You'd have to switch to its > replacement, ePublisher Pro. > > Worse: ePublisher Pro is very different from WWP -- an xml-based > solution with a non-trivial learning curve. Your WWP macro language > skills don't transfer. Old WWP licenses no longer qualify for an upgrade > price. And it costs an arm and a leg. > > Better: If you have to buy new FM licenses anyway, you should seriously > consider the Adobe Technical Communication Suite instead. It includes > versions of FM and RoboHelp that are tightly integrated (or so I'm told; > we're still looking into it here, but are likely to upgrade to the suite > soon). > > IMHO, YMMV, etc. > > Richard > > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-777-0436 > -- > > > > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as yves.barbion at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/yves.barbion%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
FM8 HTML output
If, along with FM, you have a need to keep Acrobat, Captivate or RoboHelp licenses current then the TCS is hard to beat. Along with the 4 apps is extra integration beyond HTM or Help outputs. Put Flash movies & simulations along with working 3D models into FM and output to the needed PDF or Help format. TCS 1.x is a bit finicky in setup and can have a 5-10 hour learning curve on the first project, but has a huge return on investment after setup. Currently there are only a few folks who can help with support outside Adobe. If you need help, let me know. If anyone else out there is working at a high level in this, let me (& Adobe) know and we can trade notes. -Matt Sullivan -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 1:53 PM To: bruce.macarthur at vsea.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM8 HTML output bruce.macarthur at vsea.com wrote: > Hello All, > I am new to the Framers group. > I develop the templates for the tech pubs group at my work. I have spent a > lot of time creating and maintaining templates and macros for WebWorks. > Several of our writers need to upgrade FM. I can't purchase FM7.2. This > would require the writers to upgrade to FM8. I purchased an upgrade to FM8 > and can't figure out how to generate the HTML (or XML) outputs that would > look like what I produced with WebWorks. Since FM8 does not come with WW > standard, we would have to purchase a WW seat from Quadralay at great > expense. This forces us to make a decision on whether to stay with FM or > change to another application. > > Is there a way to import templates and macros from WW? > Is there a way to define the HTML / XML page layout to include the banners > and navigation that WW created? OK, I've got bad news, worse news, and then better news for you. :-) Bad: WebWorks Publisher is long dead. You'd have to switch to its replacement, ePublisher Pro. Worse: ePublisher Pro is very different from WWP -- an xml-based solution with a non-trivial learning curve. Your WWP macro language skills don't transfer. Old WWP licenses no longer qualify for an upgrade price. And it costs an arm and a leg. Better: If you have to buy new FM licenses anyway, you should seriously consider the Adobe Technical Communication Suite instead. It includes versions of FM and RoboHelp that are tightly integrated (or so I'm told; we're still looking into it here, but are likely to upgrade to the suite soon). IMHO, YMMV, etc. Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as matt at grafixtraining.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40grafixtraining.co m Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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I am in the midst of hooking up a FM8 book to RH7. I'm following the instructions from RJ Jacquez demo at https://admin.adobe.acrobat.com/_a295153/p13101233/ This seems to be the only source of information from Adobe on how to do this. I'm importing the book by reference into an existing RH7 project and then going thru a reiterative process to fine tune stuff like style maps and xref styles. I was completely baffled by how get the FM TOC and Index associated with the Help project. As I was writing this email, I remembered a presentation by Kevin Siegal that I downloaded from the STC 2008 Conference web site. In there, I just found out that the TOC and Index have to be assigned to a RH layout. Caution! Small Digression: This process is reminding me of when I used to try to play Dungeons and Dragons from a VAX command line prompt. This was BI (Before Internet) when we had more time for such things and Games weren't part of the GNP :-) Does anyone know of a source for some information about hooking up FM8 books to RH7? Thanks, Charlie Kyle -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sullivan Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 2:29 PM To: 'Combs, Richard'; bruce.macarthur at vsea.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM8 HTML output If, along with FM, you have a need to keep Acrobat, Captivate or RoboHelp licenses current then the TCS is hard to beat. Along with the 4 apps is extra integration beyond HTM or Help outputs. Put Flash movies & simulations along with working 3D models into FM and output to the needed PDF or Help format. TCS 1.x is a bit finicky in setup and can have a 5-10 hour learning curve on the first project, but has a huge return on investment after setup. Currently there are only a few folks who can help with support outside Adobe. If you need help, let me know. If anyone else out there is working at a high level in this, let me (& Adobe) know and we can trade notes. -Matt Sullivan
FM8 HTML output
Kevin and I presented that 2-day session together...the FM to RH details were on my day (day 2) I give a 2-day class on the process, but actually do more initial setup for clients to refine mappings & get the CSS in order. RJ, Kevin, me. Those are the only resources the 3 of us know of right now...anyone else out there? -Matt Sullivan -Original Message- From: Charlie Kyle [mailto:charlie.k...@attachmate.com] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 4:29 PM To: Matt Sullivan; Combs, Richard; bruce.macarthur at vsea.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM8 HTML output I am in the midst of hooking up a FM8 book to RH7. I'm following the instructions from RJ Jacquez demo at https://admin.adobe.acrobat.com/_a295153/p13101233/ This seems to be the only source of information from Adobe on how to do this. I'm importing the book by reference into an existing RH7 project and then going thru a reiterative process to fine tune stuff like style maps and xref styles. I was completely baffled by how get the FM TOC and Index associated with the Help project. As I was writing this email, I remembered a presentation by Kevin Siegal that I downloaded from the STC 2008 Conference web site. In there, I just found out that the TOC and Index have to be assigned to a RH layout. Caution! Small Digression: This process is reminding me of when I used to try to play Dungeons and Dragons from a VAX command line prompt. This was BI (Before Internet) when we had more time for such things and Games weren't part of the GNP :-) Does anyone know of a source for some information about hooking up FM8 books to RH7? Thanks, Charlie Kyle -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sullivan Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 2:29 PM To: 'Combs, Richard'; bruce.macarthur at vsea.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM8 HTML output If, along with FM, you have a need to keep Acrobat, Captivate or RoboHelp licenses current then the TCS is hard to beat. Along with the 4 apps is extra integration beyond HTM or Help outputs. Put Flash movies & simulations along with working 3D models into FM and output to the needed PDF or Help format. TCS 1.x is a bit finicky in setup and can have a 5-10 hour learning curve on the first project, but has a huge return on investment after setup. Currently there are only a few folks who can help with support outside Adobe. If you need help, let me know. If anyone else out there is working at a high level in this, let me (& Adobe) know and we can trade notes. -Matt Sullivan
FM8 HTML output
bruce.macarthur at vsea.com wrote: > Hello All, > I am new to the Framers group. > I develop the templates for the tech pubs group at my work. I have spent a > lot of time creating and maintaining templates and macros for WebWorks. > Several of our writers need to upgrade FM. I can't purchase FM7.2. This > would require the writers to upgrade to FM8. I purchased an upgrade to FM8 > and can't figure out how to generate the HTML (or XML) outputs that would > look like what I produced with WebWorks. Since FM8 does not come with WW > standard, we would have to purchase a WW seat from Quadralay at great > expense. This forces us to make a decision on whether to stay with FM or > change to another application. > > Is there a way to import templates and macros from WW? > Is there a way to define the HTML / XML page layout to include the banners > and navigation that WW created? OK, I've got bad news, worse news, and then better news for you. :-) Bad: WebWorks Publisher is long dead. You'd have to switch to its replacement, ePublisher Pro. Worse: ePublisher Pro is very different from WWP -- an xml-based solution with a non-trivial learning curve. Your WWP macro language skills don't transfer. Old WWP licenses no longer qualify for an upgrade price. And it costs an arm and a leg. Better: If you have to buy new FM licenses anyway, you should seriously consider the Adobe Technical Communication Suite instead. It includes versions of FM and RoboHelp that are tightly integrated (or so I'm told; we're still looking into it here, but are likely to upgrade to the suite soon). IMHO, YMMV, etc. Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
FM8 HTML output
What Richard said is accurate, but you may also want to investigate MIF2go, a third party add in from omsys.com that would support both FM versions and should generate like output from either. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Combs, Richard wrote: > bruce.macarthur at vsea.com wrote: > >> Hello All, >> I am new to the Framers group. >> I develop the templates for the tech pubs group at my work. I have > spent a >> lot of time creating and maintaining templates and macros for > WebWorks. >> Several of our writers need to upgrade FM. I can't purchase FM7.2. > This >> would require the writers to upgrade to FM8. I purchased an upgrade to > FM8 >> and can't figure out how to generate the HTML (or XML) outputs that > would >> look like what I produced with WebWorks. Since FM8 does not come with > WW >> standard, we would have to purchase a WW seat from Quadralay at great >> expense. This forces us to make a decision on whether to stay with FM > or >> change to another application. >> >> Is there a way to import templates and macros from WW? >> Is there a way to define the HTML / XML page layout to include the > banners >> and navigation that WW created? > > OK, I've got bad news, worse news, and then better news for you. :-) > > Bad: WebWorks Publisher is long dead. You'd have to switch to its > replacement, ePublisher Pro. > > Worse: ePublisher Pro is very different from WWP -- an xml-based > solution with a non-trivial learning curve. Your WWP macro language > skills don't transfer. Old WWP licenses no longer qualify for an upgrade > price. And it costs an arm and a leg. > > Better: If you have to buy new FM licenses anyway, you should seriously > consider the Adobe Technical Communication Suite instead. It includes > versions of FM and RoboHelp that are tightly integrated (or so I'm told; > we're still looking into it here, but are likely to upgrade to the suite > soon). > > IMHO, YMMV, etc. > > Richard > > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-777-0436 > -- > > > > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
FM8 HTML output
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:53:23 -0600, "Combs, Richard" wrote: >Better: If you have to buy new FM licenses anyway, you should seriously >consider the Adobe Technical Communication Suite instead. It includes >versions of FM and RoboHelp that are tightly integrated (or so I'm told; >we're still looking into it here, but are likely to upgrade to the suite >soon). > >IMHO, YMMV, etc. Best: ;-) Check out Mif2Go; at $295, it's about 1/10 the price of ePP, and 1/3 the price of the TCS. It generates very clean HTML, XML, DITA, DocBook, and numerous Help formats (including Eclipse Help and OHJ; more outputs than any of the other options, in fact). It also produces Word files that look remarkably like the Frame files from which they were made, handy for reviewers who only use Word. The free unlimited demo version is at: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm And Mif2Go comes with the best free support in the industry; who else fixes bugs on the spot (not "in the next version"), and adds features you ask for overnight? See the history.txt file there for numerous examples of those enhancements, with the names of those who asked for them. ;-) HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
FM8 HTML output
Hello All, I am new to the Framers group. I develop the templates for the tech pubs group at my work. I have spent a lot of time creating and maintaining templates and macros for WebWorks. Several of our writers need to upgrade FM. I can't purchase FM7.2. This would require the writers to upgrade to FM8. I purchased an upgrade to FM8 and can't figure out how to generate the HTML (or XML) outputs that would look like what I produced with WebWorks. Since FM8 does not come with WW standard, we would have to purchase a WW seat from Quadralay at great expense. This forces us to make a decision on whether to stay with FM or change to another application. Is there a way to import templates and macros from WW? Is there a way to define the HTML / XML page layout to include the banners and navigation that WW created? Please help me to figure this out so that I can make an informed decision on the future. Thank You, Bruce Documentation Specialist Varian Semiconductor Equipment Associates 4 Stanley Tucker Drive Newburyport, MA 01950 Work: 978-463-5011 Cell: 978-265-0167 Fax: 978-462-6126
