Re: [Framers] Numbering in an outline with numbers and small letters

[Lin Sims]

In addition to Rick's videos, try running a search for FrameMaker
autonumbering PDFs written by Dan Emory or Lester Smalley. Both provided
excellent overviews and examples of setting up autonumbering from simple to
pretty danged complex. They are out of date (chapter and section numbers
came out years after they were written), but they're still good
foundational documents.

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Rick Quatro <r...@rickquatro.com> wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> The letter-colon combination is called a series label. But in this case
> you don't want to have a different series label for each format. When more
> than one format has numbering that is related, they should have the same
> series label. See my videos for details.
>
> Rick
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro.com@lists.
> frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Spreadbury
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 3:28 PM
> To: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Numbering in an outline with numbers and small
> letters
>
> Try changing where you have F: to a different letter; F for the first one,
> G for the secong, etc. Each numbering value should have it's own unique
> character. There is a name for that character but it escapes me right now.
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:11 PM, tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com<
> tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com> wrote:   This one has me stumped, and I
> have to believe that there is a pretty
> simple solution that I'm overlooking.
>
> I have a figure legend that has both numbered and lettered entries. Level
> 1 items are  numerals and Level 2 items are small letters. This works
> fine, as long as the level 2 items are the last items in the ordered list.
> However, if the level 2 items happen to appear in the middle somewhere,
> such as 1, 2, followed by a, b, and c, and then back to level 1 at 3, the
> ordering doesn't pick back at 3. Instead, I get 6, as in 1, 2, a, b, c
> (under 2), and 6.
>
> What do I need to do to have that 3rd level 1 item number continue from
> the last level 1 tag?
>
> For reference, here is what I have for tag coding.
>
> FigureLegend covers all level 1 numbers, as well as all that follow: F:<
> >< ><n+>.\t
>
>
> FigureLegend_alpha covers the first level 2 item, indented slightly under
> the level 1 item: F:< >< ><a+1>.\sn\t
>
>
>
> FIgurelegend_alpa+ covers all level 2 items that follow the item tagged
> with the FigureLegend_alpha tag: F:< >< ><a+1>.\sn\t
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom Beiswenger
> Project Manager, Manager IB Technical Documentation
>
> Emhart Glass Inc.
> 74 Kahler Road North ? Horseheads NY 14845 ? USA
> Telephone 1 607 735 2551 ? Mobile +1 607 769 4779
> Fax +1 607 735 2601
> tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
> www.bucheremhartglass.com
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Re: [Framers] Numbering in an outline with numbers and small letters

[Rick Quatro]

Hi David,

The letter-colon combination is called a series label. But in this case you 
don't want to have a different series label for each format. When more than one 
format has numbering that is related, they should have the same series label. 
See my videos for details.

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] 
On Behalf Of David Spreadbury
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 3:28 PM
To: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Numbering in an outline with numbers and small letters

Try changing where you have F: to a different letter; F for the first one, G 
for the secong, etc. Each numbering value should have it's own unique 
character. There is a name for that character but it escapes me right now.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:11 PM, 
tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com<tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com> wrote:   This 
one has me stumped, and I have to believe that there is a pretty 
simple solution that I'm overlooking.

I have a figure legend that has both numbered and lettered entries. Level
1 items are  numerals and Level 2 items are small letters. This works fine, as 
long as the level 2 items are the last items in the ordered list. 
However, if the level 2 items happen to appear in the middle somewhere, such as 
1, 2, followed by a, b, and c, and then back to level 1 at 3, the ordering 
doesn't pick back at 3. Instead, I get 6, as in 1, 2, a, b, c (under 2), and 6.

What do I need to do to have that 3rd level 1 item number continue from the 
last level 1 tag?

For reference, here is what I have for tag coding.

FigureLegend covers all level 1 numbers, as well as all that follow: F:< 
>< ><n+>.\t


FigureLegend_alpha covers the first level 2 item, indented slightly under the 
level 1 item: F:< >< ><a+1>.\sn\t



FIgurelegend_alpa+ covers all level 2 items that follow the item tagged 
with the FigureLegend_alpha tag: F:< >< ><a+1>.\sn\t





Tom Beiswenger
Project Manager, Manager IB Technical Documentation

Emhart Glass Inc. 
74 Kahler Road North ? Horseheads NY 14845 ? USA
Telephone 1 607 735 2551 ? Mobile +1 607 769 4779
Fax +1 607 735 2601
tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
www.bucheremhartglass.com
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Re: [Framers] Numbering in an outline with numbers and small letters

[Rick Quatro]

<a+1> should be <a+>. The 1 doesn't have any effect on the counter.

-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Lin Sims
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 3:17 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Numbering in an outline with numbers and small
letters

You need to add one more level to the F:< >< ><a+1>.\sn\t.

It should be

F:< >< >*< >*<a+1>.\sn\t


On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:10 PM, <tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com> wrote:

> This one has me stumped, and I have to believe that there is a pretty 
> simple solution that I'm overlooking.
>
> I have a figure legend that has both numbered and lettered entries. 
> Level
> 1 items are  numerals and Level 2 items are small letters. This works 
> fine, as long as the level 2 items are the last items in the ordered list.
> However, if the level 2 items happen to appear in the middle 
> somewhere, such as 1, 2, followed by a, b, and c, and then back to 
> level 1 at 3, the ordering doesn't pick back at 3. Instead, I get 6, 
> as in 1, 2, a, b, c (under 2), and 6.
>
> What do I need to do to have that 3rd level 1 item number continue 
> from the last level 1 tag?
>
> For reference, here is what I have for tag coding.
>
> FigureLegend covers all level 1 numbers, as well as all that follow: 
> F:<
> >< ><n+>.\t
>
>
> FigureLegend_alpha covers the first level 2 item, indented slightly 
> under the level 1 item: F:< >< ><a+1>.\sn\t
>
>
>
> FIgurelegend_alpa+ covers all level 2 items that follow the item 
> tagged with the FigureLegend_alpha tag: F:< >< ><a+1>.\sn\t
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom Beiswenger
> Project Manager, Manager IB Technical Documentation
>
> Emhart Glass Inc.
> 74 Kahler Road North ? Horseheads NY 14845 ? USA Telephone 1 607 735 
> 2551 ? Mobile +1 607 769 4779 Fax +1 607 735 2601 
> tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com www.bucheremhartglass.com 
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Re: [Framers] Numbering in an outline with numbers and small letters

[David Spreadbury]

Try changing where you have F: to a different letter; F for the first one, G 
for the secong, etc. Each numbering value should have it's own unique 
character. There is a name for that character but it escapes me right now.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:11 PM, 
tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com wrote:   This 
one has me stumped, and I have to believe that there is a pretty 
simple solution that I'm overlooking.

I have a figure legend that has both numbered and lettered entries. Level 
1 items are  numerals and Level 2 items are small letters. This works 
fine, as long as the level 2 items are the last items in the ordered list. 
However, if the level 2 items happen to appear in the middle somewhere, 
such as 1, 2, followed by a, b, and c, and then back to level 1 at 3, the 
ordering doesn't pick back at 3. Instead, I get 6, as in 1, 2, a, b, c 
(under 2), and 6.

What do I need to do to have that 3rd level 1 item number continue from 
the last level 1 tag?

For reference, here is what I have for tag coding.

FigureLegend covers all level 1 numbers, as well as all that follow: F:< 
>< >.\t


FigureLegend_alpha covers the first level 2 item, indented slightly under 
the level 1 item: F:< >< >.\sn\t



FIgurelegend_alpa+ covers all level 2 items that follow the item tagged 
with the FigureLegend_alpha tag: F:< >< >.\sn\t





Tom Beiswenger
Project Manager, Manager IB Technical Documentation

Emhart Glass Inc. 
74 Kahler Road North ? Horseheads NY 14845 ? USA
Telephone 1 607 735 2551 ? Mobile +1 607 769 4779
Fax +1 607 735 2601
tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
www.bucheremhartglass.com
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Re: [Framers] Numbering in an outline with numbers and small letters

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Tom,

Try something like this:

FigureLegend:
F:< >< ><n+>< =0>

FigureLegend_alpha:
F:< >< >< ><a+>

Without seeing the rest of the numbering, I am not sure if you need the
first two place holders (< >) in each one.

For a good understanding of FrameMaker autonumbers, you should watch my 20
minute video:

http://frameautomation.com/framemaker-autonumber-primer/

Then, watch this follow up video, which is about 16 minutes:

http://frameautomation.com/advanced-autonumber-concepts/

In just over a half-an-hour, you will be an autonumber expert!

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-366-4017






-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 3:11 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Numbering in an outline with numbers and small letters

This one has me stumped, and I have to believe that there is a pretty simple
solution that I'm overlooking.

I have a figure legend that has both numbered and lettered entries. Level
1 items are  numerals and Level 2 items are small letters. This works fine,
as long as the level 2 items are the last items in the ordered list. 
However, if the level 2 items happen to appear in the middle somewhere, such
as 1, 2, followed by a, b, and c, and then back to level 1 at 3, the
ordering doesn't pick back at 3. Instead, I get 6, as in 1, 2, a, b, c
(under 2), and 6.

What do I need to do to have that 3rd level 1 item number continue from the
last level 1 tag?

For reference, here is what I have for tag coding.

FigureLegend covers all level 1 numbers, as well as all that follow: F:< 
>< ><n+>.\t


FigureLegend_alpha covers the first level 2 item, indented slightly under
the level 1 item: F:< >< ><a+1>.\sn\t



FIgurelegend_alpa+ covers all level 2 items that follow the item tagged 
with the FigureLegend_alpha tag: F:< >< ><a+1>.\sn\t





Tom Beiswenger
Project Manager, Manager IB Technical Documentation

Emhart Glass Inc. 
74 Kahler Road North ? Horseheads NY 14845 ? USA
Telephone 1 607 735 2551 ? Mobile +1 607 769 4779
Fax +1 607 735 2601
tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
www.bucheremhartglass.com
www.bucherindustries.com
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Re: [Framers] Numbering in an outline with numbers and small letters

[tom . beiswenger]

Thanks, Lin!  knew it had to be something simple.



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Emhart Glass Inc. 
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From:   Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com>
To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." 
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Date:   06/28/2017 03:16 PM
Subject:Re: [Framers] Numbering in an outline with numbers and 
small letters
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You need to add one more level to the F:< >< ><a+1>.\sn\t.

It should be

F:< >< >*< >*<a+1>.\sn\t


On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:10 PM, <tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com> wrote:

> This one has me stumped, and I have to believe that there is a pretty
> simple solution that I'm overlooking.
>
> I have a figure legend that has both numbered and lettered entries. 
Level
> 1 items are  numerals and Level 2 items are small letters. This works
> fine, as long as the level 2 items are the last items in the ordered 
list.
> However, if the level 2 items happen to appear in the middle somewhere,
> such as 1, 2, followed by a, b, and c, and then back to level 1 at 3, 
the
> ordering doesn't pick back at 3. Instead, I get 6, as in 1, 2, a, b, c
> (under 2), and 6.
>
> What do I need to do to have that 3rd level 1 item number continue from
> the last level 1 tag?
>
> For reference, here is what I have for tag coding.
>
> FigureLegend covers all level 1 numbers, as well as all that follow: F:<
> >< ><n+>.\t
>
>
> FigureLegend_alpha covers the first level 2 item, indented slightly 
under
> the level 1 item: F:< >< ><a+1>.\sn\t
>
>
>
> FIgurelegend_alpa+ covers all level 2 items that follow the item tagged
> with the FigureLegend_alpha tag: F:< >< ><a+1>.\sn\t
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom Beiswenger
> Project Manager, Manager IB Technical Documentation
>
> Emhart Glass Inc.
> 74 Kahler Road North ? Horseheads NY 14845 ? USA
> Telephone 1 607 735 2551 ? Mobile +1 607 769 4779
> Fax +1 607 735 2601
> tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
> www.bucheremhartglass.com
> www.bucherindustries.com
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Re: [Framers] Numbering in an outline with numbers and small letters

[Lin Sims]

You need to add one more level to the F:< >< >.\sn\t.

It should be

F:< >< >*< >*.\sn\t


On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:10 PM,  wrote:

> This one has me stumped, and I have to believe that there is a pretty
> simple solution that I'm overlooking.
>
> I have a figure legend that has both numbered and lettered entries. Level
> 1 items are  numerals and Level 2 items are small letters. This works
> fine, as long as the level 2 items are the last items in the ordered list.
> However, if the level 2 items happen to appear in the middle somewhere,
> such as 1, 2, followed by a, b, and c, and then back to level 1 at 3, the
> ordering doesn't pick back at 3. Instead, I get 6, as in 1, 2, a, b, c
> (under 2), and 6.
>
> What do I need to do to have that 3rd level 1 item number continue from
> the last level 1 tag?
>
> For reference, here is what I have for tag coding.
>
> FigureLegend covers all level 1 numbers, as well as all that follow: F:<
> >< >.\t
>
>
> FigureLegend_alpha covers the first level 2 item, indented slightly under
> the level 1 item: F:< >< >.\sn\t
>
>
>
> FIgurelegend_alpa+ covers all level 2 items that follow the item tagged
> with the FigureLegend_alpha tag: F:< >< >.\sn\t
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom Beiswenger
> Project Manager, Manager IB Technical Documentation
>
> Emhart Glass Inc.
> 74 Kahler Road North ? Horseheads NY 14845 ? USA
> Telephone 1 607 735 2551 ? Mobile +1 607 769 4779
> Fax +1 607 735 2601
> tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
> www.bucheremhartglass.com
> www.bucherindustries.com
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[Framers] Numbering in an outline with numbers and small letters

[tom . beiswenger]

This one has me stumped, and I have to believe that there is a pretty 
simple solution that I'm overlooking.

I have a figure legend that has both numbered and lettered entries. Level 
1 items are  numerals and Level 2 items are small letters. This works 
fine, as long as the level 2 items are the last items in the ordered list. 
However, if the level 2 items happen to appear in the middle somewhere, 
such as 1, 2, followed by a, b, and c, and then back to level 1 at 3, the 
ordering doesn't pick back at 3. Instead, I get 6, as in 1, 2, a, b, c 
(under 2), and 6.

What do I need to do to have that 3rd level 1 item number continue from 
the last level 1 tag?

For reference, here is what I have for tag coding.

FigureLegend covers all level 1 numbers, as well as all that follow: F:< 
>< >.\t


FigureLegend_alpha covers the first level 2 item, indented slightly under 
the level 1 item: F:< >< >.\sn\t



FIgurelegend_alpa+ covers all level 2 items that follow the item tagged 
with the FigureLegend_alpha tag: F:< >< >.\sn\t





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RE: Outline

[VLM TechSubs]

Hi Terry,

Two questions about Enhance, since you have experience with it: 

1. Can one assign any paratags to any outline level? (Not bound to Heading1,
etc.)

2. Can one assign more than one paratag to a given outline level? For
example, can one assign H3 and H3 Close to the same outline level?

Thank you kindly,
Elchanan

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Terry Smith
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:34 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Outline

Don Spencer wrote:
 Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something 
 akin to Outline View? Would be nice.

Yes! Enhance gives you an outline view of your FrameMaker document. It's
wonderful for reorganizing large documents. In fact, I'd recommend the
product just to help you navigate within a document. Here's the URL:
http://www.sandybrook.com/

---
Terry Smith, Technical Consultant
Scriptorium Publishing
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Re: Outline

[quills]

I would categorize this a perceived gains, capabilities, and costs. 
One very big gain and capability that structured documents give you 
is the ability to require only certain structures to fit after other 
structures.

I can't comment on the capability of Enhance to require a  specific 
structure must exist following any other element, or that they may be 
optional, or that they are forbidden. XML will do that under 
FrameMaker, as well as allow you to collapse the structure as you 
describe.

Again, it is about perceived gains, capabilities, and costs. If the 
costs outweigh the gains and capabilities, then you go another route.

Scott

At 12:05 PM +1100 1/28/09, Hedley Finger wrote:
Scott, Gary:

  What you are referring to
  doing, Hedley, is operating in a structured environment.

You have misrepresented what I actually said.

I have used the DITA XML schema and the DITA-FMx plug-in for FrameMaker
to develop structured documentation.  But it is certainly a far from
trivial exercise to set up the structapp.fm file with all the formatting
rules to get your preferred look and feel.  You would only take on this
level of setting-up overhead if you could amortise the time/cost over a
significant number of titles.

I do not think Donald was looking to get into structured documentation
just yet.  He probably has a virtual structure where, in his mind and in
his files, Heading 1 /is/ at a higher level than Heading 2.  For those
who want some of the benefits of structure in unstructured documents
without the hassle, I highly recommend Enhance for FrameMaker from
Sandybrook Software.  You can configure it so that Heading 1 is indeed
higher than Heading 2, so that when you collapse the Heading 1 block,
any contained  Heading 2 subblocks are suppressed but revealed when
Heading 1 is expanded again.

Enhance works pretty much like the structured view in Word and you can
perform all the same operations in Enhance that you can in Word,
including outlining when you are developing the structure initially.

So for Donald, Enhance is the way to go.

A structured document, preferable saved to XML and opened directly from
XML (*.fm files are not used at all) has many advantages: you can use
all the XML tools on the saved files but work in a friendly WYSIWYG
environment.

Regards,
Hedley

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Re: Outline

[Peter Gold]

Here's a method that nobody's mentioned yet. It's not complete or
perfect, but it may be useful:

* Create a TOC that extracts all the heading paragraph formats that
you want in an outline. Be sure to check Make Hypertext Links. The TOC
can be for a single document or a book.

* Modify the *TOC paragraph formats to indent the way you want.

* Format the TOC page to a narrow column, and a height that's readable
when zoomed to full-height on your screen.

* Set the zoom to Fit Page to Text Frame.

* Arrange your screen with the narrow outline frame next to the
document page frame.

* Use Frame's Ctrl+Alt+Click on a heading in the TOC to move the
insertion point to that heading, so you can edit at that location.

* Regenerate the TOC

NOTES:

- To make the links in the TOC active with a single click, instead of
with Ctrl+Alt+Click: tap Escape, tap Shift+F, tap k. The same sequence
restores editabiity.

- To reuse the outline TOC, save it to a new name. This is handy if
you've moved stuff and then need to restore the original order.

- Save the real TOC with a new name, and save a copy of the narrow
outline TOC to a new name. When you want to generate the real TOC,
close the outline TOC and delete or rename it, then open the real TOC,
save it to the correct name, and generate.

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
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RE: Outline

[Combs, Richard]

VLM TechSubs wrote:
 
 Hi Terry,
 
 Two questions about Enhance, since you have experience with it:
 
 1. Can one assign any paratags to any outline level? (Not bound to
 Heading1,
 etc.)
 
 2. Can one assign more than one paratag to a given outline level? For
 example, can one assign H3 and H3 Close to the same outline level?

I can answer those for you. 

1. Yes. In the Select Outline Formats dialog, you can select any pgf
format and move it to the Outline Formats list. The order of the formats
in that list (which you can reorder) determines the outline levels of
those pgf formats. You're limited to ten levels (which is more than
enough for any sanely organized manual, IMHO). 

2. Yes. In the same dialog box, you can select additional pgf formats
and assign them to an outline level by clicking Set Secondary Level. For
instance, after setting up your primary outline levels with H3 in the
third position, you'd select H3 Close, click Set Secondary Level, select
3, and click OK. 

AFAIK, there's no limit to the number of pgf formats that can be
assigned to the same secondary outline level, so if you have additional
pgf formats that are third-level headings, you can set their secondary
level to 3 as well.

The secondary level pgfs act just like the primary outline level pgfs,
except that when you promote a secondary level pgf, it becomes the
corresponding primary level pgf, so you have to promote it twice to
actually move it up a level in the hierarchy. 

HTH!
Richard


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Outline

[Hedley Finger]

Scott, Gary:

> What you are referring to
> doing, Hedley, is operating in a structured environment.

You have misrepresented what I actually said.

I have used the DITA XML schema and the DITA-FMx plug-in for FrameMaker 
to develop structured documentation.  But it is certainly a far from 
trivial exercise to set up the structapp.fm file with all the formatting 
rules to get your preferred look and feel.  You would only take on this 
level of setting-up overhead if you could amortise the time/cost over a 
significant number of titles.

I do not think Donald was looking to get into structured documentation 
just yet.  He probably has a virtual structure where, in his mind and in 
his files, Heading 1 /is/ at a higher level than Heading 2.  For those 
who want some of the benefits of structure in unstructured documents 
without the hassle, I highly recommend Enhance for FrameMaker from 
Sandybrook Software.  You can configure it so that Heading 1 is indeed 
higher than Heading 2, so that when you collapse the Heading 1 block, 
any contained  Heading 2 subblocks are suppressed but revealed when 
Heading 1 is expanded again.

Enhance works pretty much like the structured view in Word and you can 
perform all the same operations in Enhance that you can in Word, 
including outlining when you are developing the structure initially.

So for Donald, Enhance is the way to go.

A structured document, preferable saved to XML and opened directly from 
XML (*.fm files are not used at all) has many advantages: you can use 
all the XML tools on the saved files but work in a friendly WYSIWYG 
environment.

Regards,
Hedley

--

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28 Regent Street   Camberwell VIC 3124   Australia
Tel. +61 3 9809 1229   Fax. (call phone first)
Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558
Email. "Hedley Finger" 

Outline

[VLM TechSubs]

Hi Terry,

Two questions about Enhance, since you have experience with it: 

1. Can one assign any paratags to any outline level? (Not bound to Heading1,
etc.)

2. Can one assign more than one paratag to a given outline level? For
example, can one assign H3 and H3 Close to the same outline level?

Thank you kindly,
Elchanan

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Terry Smith
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:34 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Outline

Don Spencer wrote:
> Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something 
> akin to Outline View? Would be nice.

Yes! Enhance gives you an outline view of your FrameMaker document. It's
wonderful for reorganizing large documents. In fact, I'd recommend the
product just to help you navigate within a document. Here's the URL:
http://www.sandybrook.com/

---
Terry Smith, Technical Consultant
Scriptorium Publishing
www.scriptorium.comfo.

Outline

[qui...@airmail.net]

I would categorize this a perceived gains, capabilities, and costs. 
One very big gain and capability that structured documents give you 
is the ability to require only certain structures to fit after other 
structures.

I can't comment on the capability of Enhance to require a  specific 
structure must exist following any other element, or that they may be 
optional, or that they are forbidden. XML will do that under 
FrameMaker, as well as allow you to collapse the structure as you 
describe.

Again, it is about perceived gains, capabilities, and costs. If the 
costs outweigh the gains and capabilities, then you go another route.

Scott

At 12:05 PM +1100 1/28/09, Hedley Finger wrote:
>Scott, Gary:
>
>>  What you are referring to
>>  doing, Hedley, is operating in a structured environment.
>
>You have misrepresented what I actually said.
>
>I have used the DITA XML schema and the DITA-FMx plug-in for FrameMaker
>to develop structured documentation.  But it is certainly a far from
>trivial exercise to set up the structapp.fm file with all the formatting
>rules to get your preferred look and feel.  You would only take on this
>level of setting-up overhead if you could amortise the time/cost over a
>significant number of titles.
>
>I do not think Donald was looking to get into structured documentation
>just yet.  He probably has a virtual structure where, in his mind and in
>his files, Heading 1 /is/ at a higher level than Heading 2.  For those
>who want some of the benefits of structure in unstructured documents
>without the hassle, I highly recommend Enhance for FrameMaker from
>Sandybrook Software.  You can configure it so that Heading 1 is indeed
>higher than Heading 2, so that when you collapse the Heading 1 block,
>any contained  Heading 2 subblocks are suppressed but revealed when
>Heading 1 is expanded again.
>
>Enhance works pretty much like the structured view in Word and you can
>perform all the same operations in Enhance that you can in Word,
>including outlining when you are developing the structure initially.
>
>So for Donald, Enhance is the way to go.
>
>A structured document, preferable saved to XML and opened directly from
>XML (*.fm files are not used at all) has many advantages: you can use
>all the XML tools on the saved files but work in a friendly WYSIWYG
>environment.
>
>Regards,
>Hedley
>
>--
>
>Hedley Finger
>
>28 Regent Street   Camberwell VIC 3124   Australia
>Tel. +61 3 9809 1229   Fax. (call phone first)
>Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558
>Email. "Hedley Finger" 
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Outline

[Peter Gold]

Here's a method that nobody's mentioned yet. It's not complete or
perfect, but it may be useful:

* Create a TOC that extracts all the heading paragraph formats that
you want in an outline. Be sure to check Make Hypertext Links. The TOC
can be for a single document or a book.

* Modify the *TOC paragraph formats to indent the way you want.

* Format the TOC page to a narrow column, and a height that's readable
when zoomed to full-height on your screen.

* Set the zoom to Fit Page to Text Frame.

* Arrange your screen with the narrow outline frame next to the
document page frame.

* Use Frame's Ctrl+Alt+Click on a heading in the TOC to move the
insertion point to that heading, so you can edit at that location.

* Regenerate the TOC

NOTES:

- To make the links in the TOC active with a single click, instead of
with Ctrl+Alt+Click: tap Escape, tap Shift+F, tap k. The same sequence
restores editabiity.

- To reuse the outline TOC, save it to a new name. This is handy if
you've moved stuff and then need to restore the original order.

- Save the "real" TOC with a new name, and save a copy of the narrow
outline TOC to a new name. When you want to generate the real TOC,
close the outline TOC and delete or rename it, then open the real TOC,
save it to the correct name, and generate.

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Outline

[Combs, Richard]

VLM TechSubs wrote:

> Hi Terry,
> 
> Two questions about Enhance, since you have experience with it:
> 
> 1. Can one assign any paratags to any outline level? (Not bound to
> Heading1,
> etc.)
> 
> 2. Can one assign more than one paratag to a given outline level? For
> example, can one assign H3 and H3 Close to the same outline level?

I can answer those for you. 

1. Yes. In the Select Outline Formats dialog, you can select any pgf
format and move it to the Outline Formats list. The order of the formats
in that list (which you can reorder) determines the outline levels of
those pgf formats. You're limited to ten levels (which is more than
enough for any sanely organized manual, IMHO). 

2. Yes. In the same dialog box, you can select additional pgf formats
and assign them to an outline level by clicking Set Secondary Level. For
instance, after setting up your primary outline levels with H3 in the
third position, you'd select H3 Close, click Set Secondary Level, select
3, and click OK. 

AFAIK, there's no limit to the number of pgf formats that can be
assigned to the same secondary outline level, so if you have additional
pgf formats that are third-level headings, you can set their secondary
level to 3 as well.

The secondary level pgfs act just like the primary outline level pgfs,
except that when you promote a secondary level pgf, it becomes the
corresponding primary level pgf, so you have to promote it twice to
actually move it up a level in the hierarchy. 

HTH!
Richard


Richard G. Combs
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Polycom, Inc.
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RE: Outline

[David Spreadbury]

Don,
Sandybrooke software (http://www.sandybrook.com/) has an Outline tool add-on
that works within Framemaker.

Dave Spreadbury

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Donlad W. Spencer
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:47 PM
To: Framers (E-mail)
Subject: Outline

Framer Folks:

As I develop my personally written book in FrameMaker 7.2, especially since
I have learned to create hot key macros in the customization files, there is
only one thing about MS Word that I miss - Outline View.

The ability to reduce the book to an outline and manipulate that outline is
most convenient, and good old solid FrameMaker offers nothing like that,
except the ability to change chapter positions within a book.

Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin to
Outline View? Would be nice.

~ Don Spencer

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Re: Outline

[Art Campbell]

Someone (or a company) was playing with an idea that would assign different
levels of a doc to a conditional text setting or series of settings, so you
could hide or reveal the different levels, outline style. Script driven, I
think. Possibly Framescript guru Rick Quatro... (Rick, was that you?), but I
wasn't interested enough to follow up. But if you haven't already hit
Google, it may reveal who it was and whether it got beyond the idea/concept
stage.

Art

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On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 6:19 AM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Don,
 Sandybrooke software (http://www.sandybrook.com/) has an Outline tool
 add-on
 that works within Framemaker.

 Dave Spreadbury

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 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Donlad W.
 Spencer
 Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:47 PM
 To: Framers (E-mail)
 Subject: Outline

 Framer Folks:

 As I develop my personally written book in FrameMaker 7.2, especially since
 I have learned to create hot key macros in the customization files, there
 is
 only one thing about MS Word that I miss - Outline View.

 The ability to reduce the book to an outline and manipulate that outline is
 most convenient, and good old solid FrameMaker offers nothing like that,
 except the ability to change chapter positions within a book.

 Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin to
 Outline View? Would be nice.

 ~ Don Spencer

 donandju...@earthlink.net
 beamwardpublicati...@earthlink.net
 www.doortrix.com

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RE: Outline

[Etzel, Gary]

FrameMaker already does have an outline view, but you need to be using
structured FrameMaker to get it. In unstructured FrameMaker, there is
absolutely no difference between a Heading1 and a Heading2, or a
Heading2 and a Note. You may have it all organized in your mind, but
FrameMaker knows nothing about that. It's all just a bunch of different
paragraph formats with different fonts and colors. To turn that into an
outline, you need to define the relationships between one paragraph and
other, in a way that FrameMaker can understand. That's basically what
structured FrameMaker is all about. Once you do that, and you've spent
some time working in FrameMaker's Structure View window, you'll never
want to go back.

Hope that helps,

Gary


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Donlad W.
Spencer
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:47 PM
To: Framers (E-mail)
Subject: Outline

Framer Folks:

As I develop my personally written book in FrameMaker 7.2, especially
since
I have learned to create hot key macros in the customization files,
there is
only one thing about MS Word that I miss - Outline View.

The ability to reduce the book to an outline and manipulate that outline
is
most convenient, and good old solid FrameMaker offers nothing like that,
except the ability to change chapter positions within a book.

Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin
to
Outline View? Would be nice.

~ Don Spencer

donandju...@earthlink.net
beamwardpublicati...@earthlink.net
www.doortrix.com


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Re: Outline

[Hedley Finger]

Don:

 As I develop my personally written book in FrameMaker 7.2, especially since
 I have learned to create hot key macros in the customization files, there is
 only one thing about MS Word that I miss – Outline View.

 Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin to
 Outline View? Would be nice.

Look for Enhance for FrameMaker by Sandybrook Software. You can create 
an outline, promote/demote, cut and paste, drag sections, etc. and it 
all works with the paragraph styles you have currently designed and the 
virtual nesting of those heading style formats. Unfortunately, at this 
point it only works file by file.

Regards,
Hedley

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RE: Outline

[quills]

Exactly! Gary has hit it on the head. What you are referring to 
doing, Hedley, is operating in a structured environment. Outlining is 
an early method used to provide structure to data. SGML and XML are 
later methods to do that.

FrameMaker in Structured mode does it quite well.

Scott

At 8:29 AM -0500 1/27/09, Etzel, Gary wrote:
FrameMaker already does have an outline view, but you need to be using
structured FrameMaker to get it. In unstructured FrameMaker, there is
absolutely no difference between a Heading1 and a Heading2, or a
Heading2 and a Note. You may have it all organized in your mind, but
FrameMaker knows nothing about that. It's all just a bunch of different
paragraph formats with different fonts and colors. To turn that into an
outline, you need to define the relationships between one paragraph and
other, in a way that FrameMaker can understand. That's basically what
structured FrameMaker is all about. Once you do that, and you've spent
some time working in FrameMaker's Structure View window, you'll never
want to go back.

Hope that helps,

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RE: Outline

[Combs, Richard]

Hedley Finger wrote:
 
 Look for Enhance for FrameMaker by Sandybrook Software. You can create
 an outline, promote/demote, cut and paste, drag sections, etc. and it
 all works with the paragraph styles you have currently designed and
the
 virtual nesting of those heading style formats. Unfortunately, at this
 point it only works file by file.

I'll second that. Enhance is a great addition to your FM tool chest. I
don't know if there's an FM8/9-compatible version, though. 

That said, Gary Etzel made a great point regarding structure. One of
these days, I'm really going to get serious about learning to work with
structured docs... 

Richard


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Re: Outline

[Terry Smith]

Don Spencer wrote:
 Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin to
 Outline View? Would be nice.

Yes! Enhance gives you an outline view of your FrameMaker document. It's 
wonderful for reorganizing large documents. In fact, I'd recommend the product 
just to help you navigate within a document. Here's the URL:
http://www.sandybrook.com/

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Re: Outline

[Hedley Finger]

Scott, Gary:

 What you are referring to
 doing, Hedley, is operating in a structured environment.

You have misrepresented what I actually said.

I have used the DITA XML schema and the DITA-FMx plug-in for FrameMaker 
to develop structured documentation.  But it is certainly a far from 
trivial exercise to set up the structapp.fm file with all the formatting 
rules to get your preferred look and feel.  You would only take on this 
level of setting-up overhead if you could amortise the time/cost over a 
significant number of titles.

I do not think Donald was looking to get into structured documentation 
just yet.  He probably has a virtual structure where, in his mind and in 
his files, Heading 1 /is/ at a higher level than Heading 2.  For those 
who want some of the benefits of structure in unstructured documents 
without the hassle, I highly recommend Enhance for FrameMaker from 
Sandybrook Software.  You can configure it so that Heading 1 is indeed 
higher than Heading 2, so that when you collapse the Heading 1 block, 
any contained  Heading 2 subblocks are suppressed but revealed when 
Heading 1 is expanded again.

Enhance works pretty much like the structured view in Word and you can 
perform all the same operations in Enhance that you can in Word, 
including outlining when you are developing the structure initially.

So for Donald, Enhance is the way to go.

A structured document, preferable saved to XML and opened directly from 
XML (*.fm files are not used at all) has many advantages: you can use 
all the XML tools on the saved files but work in a friendly WYSIWYG 
environment.

Regards,
Hedley

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Outline

[David Spreadbury]

Don,
Sandybrooke software (http://www.sandybrook.com/) has an Outline tool add-on
that works within Framemaker.

Dave Spreadbury

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Donlad W. Spencer
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:47 PM
To: Framers (E-mail)
Subject: Outline

Framer Folks:

As I develop my personally written book in FrameMaker 7.2, especially since
I have learned to create hot key macros in the customization files, there is
only one thing about MS Word that I miss - Outline View.

The ability to reduce the book to an outline and manipulate that outline is
most convenient, and good old solid FrameMaker offers nothing like that,
except the ability to change chapter positions within a book.

Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin to
Outline View? Would be nice.

~ Don Spencer

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Outline

[Art Campbell]

Someone (or a company) was playing with an idea that would assign different
levels of a doc to a conditional text setting or series of settings, so you
could hide or reveal the different levels, outline style. Script driven, I
think. Possibly Framescript guru Rick Quatro... (Rick, was that you?), but I
wasn't interested enough to follow up. But if you haven't already hit
Google, it may reveal who it was and whether it got beyond the idea/concept
stage.

Art

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On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 6:19 AM, David Spreadbury wrote:

> Don,
> Sandybrooke software (http://www.sandybrook.com/) has an Outline tool
> add-on
> that works within Framemaker.
>
> Dave Spreadbury
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Donlad W.
> Spencer
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:47 PM
> To: Framers (E-mail)
> Subject: Outline
>
> Framer Folks:
>
> As I develop my personally written book in FrameMaker 7.2, especially since
> I have learned to create hot key macros in the customization files, there
> is
> only one thing about MS Word that I miss - Outline View.
>
> The ability to reduce the book to an outline and manipulate that outline is
> most convenient, and good old solid FrameMaker offers nothing like that,
> except the ability to change chapter positions within a book.
>
> Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin to
> Outline View? Would be nice.
>
> ~ Don Spencer
>
> donandjudy1 at earthlink.net
> beamwardpublications at earthlink.net
> www.doortrix.com
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Outline

[Etzel, Gary]

FrameMaker already does have an "outline" view, but you need to be using
structured FrameMaker to get it. In unstructured FrameMaker, there is
absolutely no difference between a Heading1 and a Heading2, or a
Heading2 and a Note. You may have it all organized in your mind, but
FrameMaker knows nothing about that. It's all just a bunch of different
paragraph formats with different fonts and colors. To turn that into an
outline, you need to define the relationships between one paragraph and
other, in a way that FrameMaker can understand. That's basically what
structured FrameMaker is all about. Once you do that, and you've spent
some time working in FrameMaker's Structure View window, you'll never
want to go back.

Hope that helps,

Gary


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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Donlad W.
Spencer
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:47 PM
To: Framers (E-mail)
Subject: Outline

Framer Folks:

As I develop my personally written book in FrameMaker 7.2, especially
since
I have learned to create hot key macros in the customization files,
there is
only one thing about MS Word that I miss - Outline View.

The ability to reduce the book to an outline and manipulate that outline
is
most convenient, and good old solid FrameMaker offers nothing like that,
except the ability to change chapter positions within a book.

Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin
to
Outline View? Would be nice.

~ Don Spencer

donandjudy1 at earthlink.net
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Outline

[Hedley Finger]

Don:

> As I develop my personally written book in FrameMaker 7.2, especially since
> I have learned to create hot key macros in the customization files, there is
> only one thing about MS Word that I miss ? Outline View.
>
> Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin to
> Outline View? Would be nice.

Look for Enhance for FrameMaker by Sandybrook Software. You can create 
an outline, promote/demote, cut and paste, drag sections, etc. and it 
all works with the paragraph styles you have currently designed and the 
virtual nesting of those heading style formats. Unfortunately, at this 
point it only works file by file.

Regards,
Hedley

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Email. "Hedley Finger" 

Outline

[qui...@airmail.net]

Exactly! Gary has hit it on the head. What you are referring to 
doing, Hedley, is operating in a structured environment. Outlining is 
an early method used to provide structure to data. SGML and XML are 
later methods to do that.

FrameMaker in Structured mode does it quite well.

Scott

At 8:29 AM -0500 1/27/09, Etzel, Gary wrote:
>FrameMaker already does have an "outline" view, but you need to be using
>structured FrameMaker to get it. In unstructured FrameMaker, there is
>absolutely no difference between a Heading1 and a Heading2, or a
>Heading2 and a Note. You may have it all organized in your mind, but
>FrameMaker knows nothing about that. It's all just a bunch of different
>paragraph formats with different fonts and colors. To turn that into an
>outline, you need to define the relationships between one paragraph and
>other, in a way that FrameMaker can understand. That's basically what
>structured FrameMaker is all about. Once you do that, and you've spent
>some time working in FrameMaker's Structure View window, you'll never
>want to go back.
>
>Hope that helps,
>
>Gary
>

Outline

[Combs, Richard]

Hedley Finger wrote:

> Look for Enhance for FrameMaker by Sandybrook Software. You can create
> an outline, promote/demote, cut and paste, drag sections, etc. and it
> all works with the paragraph styles you have currently designed and
the
> virtual nesting of those heading style formats. Unfortunately, at this
> point it only works file by file.

I'll second that. Enhance is a great addition to your FM tool chest. I
don't know if there's an FM8/9-compatible version, though. 

That said, Gary Etzel made a great point regarding structure. One of
these days, I'm really going to get serious about learning to work with
structured docs... 

Richard


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Outline

[Terry Smith]

Don Spencer wrote:
> Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin to
> Outline View? Would be nice.

Yes! Enhance gives you an outline view of your FrameMaker document. It's 
wonderful for reorganizing large documents. In fact, I'd recommend the product 
just to help you navigate within a document. Here's the URL:
http://www.sandybrook.com/

---
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Scriptorium Publishing
www.scriptorium.com
---

Outline

[Donlad W. Spencer]

Framer Folks:

As I develop my personally written book in FrameMaker 7.2, especially since
I have learned to create hot key macros in the customization files, there is
only one thing about MS Word that I miss – Outline View.

The ability to reduce the book to an outline and manipulate that outline is
most convenient, and good old solid FrameMaker offers nothing like that,
except the ability to change chapter positions within a book.

Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin to
Outline View? Would be nice.

~ Don Spencer

donandju...@earthlink.net
beamwardpublicati...@earthlink.net
www.doortrix.com

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RE: Generating an outline from a written formatted document?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 09:48 -0600 27/6/07, Combs, Richard wrote:

You need  Enhance (www.sandybrook.com/enhance/). Among other features,
it gives you an outline view of your FM doc that works much like Word's
outline view -- you can promote/demote levels, move chunks around, etc.

Steve Kubis at SiliconPrairie has a pack of outline tools, too. I have not used 
them, so I cannot comment on how effective they are.

http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html

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Generating an outline from a written & formatted document?

[Art Campbell]

A fairly quick and easy way to do this is to generate a TOC from the book file.
Then open and Save As one of the existing FM outline templates. Edit
the new file, changing the names of the paragraph tags to correspond
to the tag names used in the TOC.
Import the formats to the TOC, and edit out any tags that you don't
want to use.

If you want to, you can also just copy-and-paste the TOC info into an
empty outline template and do a series of Global Updates from the
Paragraph Designer to convert the XYZ_TOC tag to a Heading1

Art

On 6/26/07, Nina Rogers  wrote:
> Hi Framers!
>
>
>
> Does FrameMaker have a feature similar to Word's feature that enables
> you to quickly generate an outline of a document that has already been
> formatted and written? If not, is there a plug-in for this kind of
> thing?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Nina Rogers, Technical Writer
>
> Tax Development (Federal)
>
> Drake Software
>
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Generating an outline from a written & formatted document?

[Combs, Richard]

Nina Rogers wrote:

> Does FrameMaker have a feature similar to Word's feature that 
> enables you to quickly generate an outline of a document that 
> has already been formatted and written? If not, is there a 
> plug-in for this kind of thing?

You need  Enhance (www.sandybrook.com/enhance/). Among other features,
it gives you an outline view of your FM doc that works much like Word's
outline view -- you can promote/demote levels, move chunks around, etc. 

Highly recommended. 

HTH!
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Generating an outline from a written & formatted document?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 09:48 -0600 27/6/07, Combs, Richard wrote:

>You need  Enhance (www.sandybrook.com/enhance/). Among other features,
>it gives you an outline view of your FM doc that works much like Word's
>outline view -- you can promote/demote levels, move chunks around, etc.

Steve Kubis at SiliconPrairie has a pack of outline tools, too. I have not used 
them, so I cannot comment on how effective they are.

<http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html>

-- 
Steve

Generating an outline from a written & formatted document?

[Nina Rogers]

Hi Framers!



Does FrameMaker have a feature similar to Word's feature that enables
you to quickly generate an outline of a document that has already been
formatted and written? If not, is there a plug-in for this kind of
thing?



Thanks!



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Tax Development (Federal)

Drake Software

(828) 524-8020 ext. 1724

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Re: Automate Outline Object

[Donald M Rinderknecht]

In this project I am opening an XML file using an application with XSLT 
and r/w rules.


Is it possible to specify a border around a graphic object in the EDD, 
or would this be a read/write rule?

Or is it just not possible?

I've been snooping around the Structured Dev Guide but haven't found 
anything yet.


Thanks,
Don.

Don Rinderknecht -- KD5MVV
Meteorologist Instructor/Developer ~ Warning Decision Training Branch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://wdtb.noaa.gov



Donald M Rinderknecht wrote:


All,

Is there a way to automate putting an outline on a graphic object. 
(Other than using FrameScript which I don't have.)
I can do this manually by selecting the object then the Tools Palette 
but I've got about 1200 graphic objects to modify.


If not, I'll look at modifying the actual graphic to put a border on 
them.


Thanks,
Don.


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Automate Outline Object

[Donald M Rinderknecht]

In this project I am opening an XML file using an application with XSLT 
and r/w rules.

Is it possible to specify a border around a graphic object in the EDD, 
or would this be a read/write rule?
Or is it just not possible?

I've been snooping around the Structured Dev Guide but haven't found 
anything yet.

Thanks,
Don.

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Donald M Rinderknecht wrote:

> All,
>
> Is there a way to automate putting an outline on a graphic object. 
> (Other than using FrameScript which I don't have.)
> I can do this manually by selecting the object then the Tools Palette 
> but I've got about 1200 graphic objects to modify.
>
> If not, I'll look at modifying the actual graphic to put a border on 
> them.
>
> Thanks,
> Don.
>

Automate Outline Object

[Lynne A. Price]

At 07:04 AM 5/18/2006, Donald M Rinderknecht wrote:
>Is it possible to specify a border around a graphic object in the EDD, or 
>would this be a read/write rule?
>Or is it just not possible?

Don,
   Neither a EDD nor r/w rules can set this property. A simple FDK client 
could do so as part of the process of opening the XML document, or 
FrameScript could after the document is opened.
 --Lynne



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and training
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Automate Outline Object

[Donald M Rinderknecht]

All,

Is there a way to automate putting an outline on a graphic object. 
(Other than using FrameScript which I don't have.)
I can do this manually by selecting the object then the Tools Palette 
but I've got about 1200 graphic objects to modify.


If not, I'll look at modifying the actual graphic to put a border on them.

Thanks,
Don.

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Meteorologist Instructor/Developer ~ Warning Decision Training Branch
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Re: Automate Outline Object

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Don,

FrameScript would certainly pay for itself with this job alone. If you 
decide to try it, here is the code to add a 1 point border to all of the 
imported graphics on body pages in the document.


If ActiveDoc = 0
 MsgBox 'There is no active document.';
 LeaveSub;
Else
 Run ProcessDoc oDoc(ActiveDoc);
EndIf

Sub ProcessDoc
//
Set oGraphic = oDoc.FirstGraphicInDoc;
Loop While(oGraphic)
 // See if the graphic is an imported graphic.
 If oGraphic.ObjectName = 'Inset'
   // See if the graphic is on a body page.
   If oGraphic.Page.ObjectName = 'BodyPage'
 Set oGraphic.Pen = FillBlack;
 Set oGraphic.BorderWidth = 1pt;
   EndIf
 EndIf
 Set oGraphic = oGraphic.NextGraphicInDoc;
EndLoop
//
EndSub

Without FrameScript, you could save your documents as MIF and use a text 
editor to add the border. See the online MIF Reference for the syntax 
details.


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com



All,

Is there a way to automate putting an outline on a graphic object. (Other 
than using FrameScript which I don't have.)
I can do this manually by selecting the object then the Tools Palette but 
I've got about 1200 graphic objects to modify.


If not, I'll look at modifying the actual graphic to put a border on them.

Thanks,
Don.

--
Don Rinderknecht -- KD5MVV
Meteorologist Instructor/Developer ~ Warning Decision Training Branch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://wdtb.noaa.gov

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Automate Outline Object

[Donald M Rinderknecht]

All,

Is there a way to automate putting an outline on a graphic object. 
(Other than using FrameScript which I don't have.)
I can do this manually by selecting the object then the Tools Palette 
but I've got about 1200 graphic objects to modify.

If not, I'll look at modifying the actual graphic to put a border on them.

Thanks,
Don.

-- 
Don Rinderknecht -- KD5MVV
Meteorologist Instructor/Developer ~ Warning Decision Training Branch
Donald.M.Rinderknecht at noaa.gov ~ http://wdtb.noaa.gov

Automate Outline Object

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Don,

FrameScript would certainly pay for itself with this job alone. If you 
decide to try it, here is the code to add a 1 point border to all of the 
imported graphics on body pages in the document.

If ActiveDoc = 0
  MsgBox 'There is no active document.';
  LeaveSub;
Else
  Run ProcessDoc oDoc(ActiveDoc);
EndIf

Sub ProcessDoc
//
Set oGraphic = oDoc.FirstGraphicInDoc;
Loop While(oGraphic)
  // See if the graphic is an imported graphic.
  If oGraphic.ObjectName = 'Inset'
// See if the graphic is on a body page.
If oGraphic.Page.ObjectName = 'BodyPage'
  Set oGraphic.Pen = FillBlack;
  Set oGraphic.BorderWidth = 1pt;
EndIf
  EndIf
  Set oGraphic = oGraphic.NextGraphicInDoc;
EndLoop
//
EndSub

Without FrameScript, you could save your documents as MIF and use a text 
editor to add the border. See the online MIF Reference for the syntax 
details.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


> All,
>
> Is there a way to automate putting an outline on a graphic object. (Other 
> than using FrameScript which I don't have.)
> I can do this manually by selecting the object then the Tools Palette but 
> I've got about 1200 graphic objects to modify.
>
> If not, I'll look at modifying the actual graphic to put a border on them.
>
> Thanks,
> Don.
>
> -- 
> Don Rinderknecht -- KD5MVV
> Meteorologist Instructor/Developer ~ Warning Decision Training Branch
> Donald.M.Rinderknecht at noaa.gov ~ http://wdtb.noaa.gov
>
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