RE: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Michael O'Neill]

Vivek Jain @ Adobe discusses single-sourcing with RoboHelp and
FrameMaker on the Adobe Technical Communication blog:

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/

At the same time, you manage the content from FrameMaker files in a set
of special folders, providing you the flexibility of continuously
updating the content as you edit the files in FrameMaker.

To make the workflow smoother, RoboHelp provides a visual indicator of
whether the content in RoboHelp is out of synchronization with
FrameMaker content or not.


This is looking interesting.  Anyone know of a good listserv devoted to
discussing RoboHelp?

-Michael

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Subject: RE: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

Richard Levine wrote:
 
 I cannot really say that round-tripping is what I am looking 
 for.  What I would really like to see a fully integrated 
 authoring environment that integrates multi-channel output 
 with a powerful editor that overcomes FrameMaker's many 
 limitations, thus obviating the need for import and export. 
snip 
 RoboHelp is a full featured HAT with printed output (PDF) 
 support. Why not just import my legacy Frame documents into 
 RoboHelp, and then use RoboHelp as my authoring environment? 

On the one hand, you complain about FrameMaker's many limitations
(such as?). On the other hand, you're suggesting dumping it and settling
for RoboHelp's printed output. Are you kidding? 

It sounds like you really _don't_ know what you're looking for -- you
just know you don't like FrameMaker. 

Richard


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Re: Don't forget Blaze [was Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite]

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

Hedley,

What percentage of the FrameMaker audience do you think is waiting  
for such a »feature«? What company will care to implement that as a  
standard function of their software?


Sorry, I cannot resist to tell you, that *if* you can come up with an  
algorithm for that »problem« of yours, it can be solved today using  
API programming or scripting. FrameMaker allows overrides to the size  
and position of text frames on every single page and you can  
therefore control how many lines appear.


- Michael Müller-Hillebrand

Am 27.09.2007 um 01:14 schrieb Hedley Finger:


   Here's another feature:
   Another feature that should be implemented is automatic
   adjustment of page depth.  Commercial publishers are always
   keen for every page to be full, that is, full-depth.  So even where
   a diagram or whatever SHOULD be in-line for pedagogical
   reasons, they will place it on another page with a figure title or
   whatever and cross-reference it from its natural in-line home.
   When I used to lay out books with full-depth pages, one way to
   get rid of orphans and widows was to make a double-spread
   a line shorter or a line deeper than normal to push the offending
   line forward or pull it back.
   This could be automated, with the proviso that a shallow page
   should never be immediately followed by a deeper page.  Believe
   me, no reader ever notices!  And you can avoid the problem of the
   last two lines of a para being dragged onto the next page, thus
   leaving a double-spread where one side is normal depth and the
   facing page is (apparently) one line shallower because a line
   has been pushed over.


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RE: Academic pricing [was Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite]

[Lester C. Smalley]

Adobe's website
(http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/upgrade/ )
regarding upgrading from FrameMaker (any version) to the TC Suite
includes the statement:

Upgrades for volume and educational licensing are handled separately.

So one might presume that educational licensing will be an option.
Currently it appears that the Technical Communications Suite will be
shipping (in either English or French - apparently the interface
language choices) by the end of November 2007.

On Wednesday, September 26, 2007 07:03 PM, Hedley Finger wrote:
 
| Anyone know if academic pricing is available?
| 
| --
| Hedley Stewart Finger
| 28 Regent Street   Camberwell VIC 3124   Australia
| Tel. +61 3 9809 1229   Mobile +61 412 461 558,
| E-mail mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Academic pricing [was "Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite"]

[Hedley Finger]

Anyone know if academic pricing is available?


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28 Regent Street   Camberwell VIC 3124   Australia
Tel. +61 3 9809 1229   Mobile +61 412 461 558,
E-mail 

Don't forget Blaze [was "Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite"]

[Hedley Finger]

   Eric:
   At Wednesday, 26/09/2007, 11:20 PM;, you wrote:

 On 9/25/07, Hedley Finger <[1] hfinger at handholding.com.au> wrote:

  Well, it will be if we ALL start screaming for
  So, everyone get on it:

 [2]http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html
 How about someone re-write all those wishes into a format that will
 cut and paste into the Adobe form?

   Geez, I have been harping on about all this stuff for years, on lists,
   to Dov, on Adobe surveys and what all.
   So can I be excused from going to the less than friendly Adobe page to
   type them all in yet AGAIN?
   Now that Madcap is trumpeting Blaze as the (eventual) FrameMaker
   killer, I bet there is someone at
   Adobe paid to monitor these lists full-time.
   Here's another feature:
   Another feature that should be implemented is automatic
   adjustment of page depth.  Commercial publishers are always
   keen for every page to be full, that is, full-depth.  So even where
   a diagram or whatever SHOULD be in-line for pedagogical
   reasons, they will place it on another page with a figure title or
   whatever and cross-reference it from its natural in-line home.
   When I used to lay out books with full-depth pages, one way to
   get rid of orphans and widows was to make a double-spread
   a line shorter or a line deeper than normal to push the offending
   line forward or pull it back.
   This could be automated, with the proviso that a shallow page
   should never be immediately followed by a deeper page.  Believe
   me, no reader ever notices!  And you can avoid the problem of the
   last two lines of a para being dragged onto the next page, thus
   leaving a double-spread where one side is normal depth and the
   facing page is (apparently) one line shallower because a line
   has been pushed over.
   By the way, whenever writing to any Adobe person or submitting
   suggestions to the Adobe page at <[3]
   http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html>, don't forget to copy
   Sharon Burton
   Product Manager, Blaze
   Madcap Software
sburton at madcapsoftware.com
   Voice: 858-320-0387 x217
   Regards,
   Hedley

   --
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   28 Regent Street   Camberwell VIC 3124   Australia
   Tel. +61 3 9809 1229   Mobile +61 412 461 558,
   E-mail <[4] mailto:hfinger at handholding.com.au>

References

   1. mailto:hfinger at handholding.com.au
   2. http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html
   3. http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html
   4. mailto:hfinger at handholding.com.au

Don't forget Blaze [was "Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite"]

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

Hedley,

What percentage of the FrameMaker audience do you think is waiting  
for such a ?feature?? What company will care to implement that as a  
standard function of their software?

Sorry, I cannot resist to tell you, that *if* you can come up with an  
algorithm for that ?problem? of yours, it can be solved today using  
API programming or scripting. FrameMaker allows overrides to the size  
and position of text frames on every single page and you can  
therefore control how many lines appear.

- Michael M?ller-Hillebrand

Am 27.09.2007 um 01:14 schrieb Hedley Finger:

>Here's another feature:
>Another feature that should be implemented is automatic
>adjustment of page depth.  Commercial publishers are always
>keen for every page to be full, that is, full-depth.  So even where
>a diagram or whatever SHOULD be in-line for pedagogical
>reasons, they will place it on another page with a figure title or
>whatever and cross-reference it from its natural in-line home.
>When I used to lay out books with full-depth pages, one way to
>get rid of orphans and widows was to make a double-spread
>a line shorter or a line deeper than normal to push the offending
>line forward or pull it back.
>This could be automated, with the proviso that a shallow page
>should never be immediately followed by a deeper page.  Believe
>me, no reader ever notices!  And you can avoid the problem of the
>last two lines of a para being dragged onto the next page, thus
>leaving a double-spread where one side is normal depth and the
>facing page is (apparently) one line shallower because a line
>has been pushed over.

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Academic pricing [was "Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite"]

[Lester C. Smalley]

Adobe's website
(http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/upgrade/ )
regarding upgrading from FrameMaker (any version) to the TC Suite
includes the statement:

"Upgrades for volume and educational licensing are handled separately."

So one might presume that educational licensing will be an option.
Currently it appears that the Technical Communications Suite will be
shipping (in either English or French - apparently the interface
language choices) by the end of November 2007.

On Wednesday, September 26, 2007 07:03 PM, Hedley Finger wrote:

| Anyone know if academic pricing is available?
| 
| --
| Hedley Stewart Finger
| 28 Regent Street   Camberwell VIC 3124   Australia
| Tel. +61 3 9809 1229   Mobile +61 412 461 558,
| E-mail 

- Lester 
---
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Information Consultants, Inc.  Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712
Yorklyn, DE  19736   Web: www.infocon.com   
---

Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Eric Dunn]

On 9/25/07, Hedley Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Well, it will be if we ALL start screaming for


So, everyone get on it:
http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html

How about someone re-write all those wishes into a format that will cut and
paste into the Adobe form?
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Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Bill Swallow]

 So, everyone get on it:
 http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html

 How about someone re-write all those wishes into a format that will cut and
 paste into the Adobe form?

I think you'll need to wait until the forums are once again usable. I
currently can't get in.

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RE: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Richard Levine]

Hi Michael

I see your what you mean by saying that the Adobe TCS being analogous to the
Frame/WebWorks combination. It overcomes FrameMaker's limitations through
the use of a non-integrated, third party enhancement, in this case RoboHelp,
for multi-channel output. RoboHelp now uses FrameMaker files much in the
same manner as it uses Word files.  

I cannot really say that round-tripping is what I am looking for.  What I
would really like to see a fully integrated authoring environment that
integrates multi-channel output with a powerful editor that overcomes
FrameMaker's many limitations, thus obviating the need for import and
export. AuthorIT does this with some limitations, and Blaze (still
vaporware) promises to provide such functionality.

My question then becomes: Why should I purchase the TCS bundle if all it
offers is a WebWorks replacement? 

RoboHelp is a full featured HAT with printed output (PDF) support. Why not
just import my legacy Frame documents into RoboHelp, and then use RoboHelp
as my authoring environment? 

Regards,

Richard Levine


-Original Message-
From: Michael Müller-Hillebrand [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:55 AM
To: Richard Levine
Subject: Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

Hi Richard,

I'd like to understand what you exactly mean with two-way round- tripping
and why you need that. I always thought of multi-channel publishing as
single-source publishing with a stress on single  
and having easy production paths into PDF and Online Help. Therefore the
only thing (I thought) I need is a live connect to the source documents. Why
would I want to make changes in the originals during the Online Help
production phase?

Thanks,

- Michael Müller-Hillebrand

Am 25.09.2007 um 21:54 schrieb Richard Levine:

 Hi Michael,

 You make a good point.  I am looking forward to testing this when the 
 trial version is ready.  It would be nice if there was two way round- 
 tripping such as that offered by  Flare.

 Richard Levine

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:framers-bounces
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Michael Müller-Hillebrand
 Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:30 PM
 To: Framers; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

 Am 25.09.2007 um 16:41 schrieb Richard Levine:

 According to Adobe's web site, RH 7  integration is one-way .fm or 
 .mif file import. If this is true, it is not integration in my book.

 No, it's more than that.

 It is a connection to the original FrameMaker book or document very 
 much like good ol' WebWorks Publisher provided it. If you change your 
 FrameMaker documents, this will be reflected in your RoboHelp output, 
 if you want so.
 But you can do local changes, if you like breaking your single-source 
 workflow.

 Check it out! Very much like I couldn't believe we would see 
 FrameMaker with Unicode I was surprised to see that level of 
 integration with RoboHelp.

 - Michael Müller-Hillebrand

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RE: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Combs, Richard]

Richard Levine wrote:
 
 I cannot really say that round-tripping is what I am looking 
 for.  What I would really like to see a fully integrated 
 authoring environment that integrates multi-channel output 
 with a powerful editor that overcomes FrameMaker's many 
 limitations, thus obviating the need for import and export. 
snip 
 RoboHelp is a full featured HAT with printed output (PDF) 
 support. Why not just import my legacy Frame documents into 
 RoboHelp, and then use RoboHelp as my authoring environment? 

On the one hand, you complain about FrameMaker's many limitations
(such as?). On the other hand, you're suggesting dumping it and settling
for RoboHelp's printed output. Are you kidding? 

It sounds like you really _don't_ know what you're looking for -- you
just know you don't like FrameMaker. 

Richard


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Academic pricing [was Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite]

[Hedley Finger]

Anyone know if academic pricing is available?


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Don't forget Blaze [was Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite]

[Hedley Finger]

   Eric:
   At Wednesday, 26/09/2007, 11:20 PM;, you wrote:

 On 9/25/07, Hedley Finger [1] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Well, it will be if we ALL start screaming for
  So, everyone get on it:

 [2]http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html
 How about someone re-write all those wishes into a format that will
 cut and paste into the Adobe form?

   Geez, I have been harping on about all this stuff for years, on lists,
   to Dov, on Adobe surveys and what all.
   So can I be excused from going to the less than friendly Adobe page to
   type them all in yet AGAIN?
   Now that Madcap is trumpeting Blaze as the (eventual) FrameMaker
   killer, I bet there is someone at
   Adobe paid to monitor these lists full-time.
   Here's another feature:
   Another feature that should be implemented is automatic
   adjustment of page depth.  Commercial publishers are always
   keen for every page to be full, that is, full-depth.  So even where
   a diagram or whatever SHOULD be in-line for pedagogical
   reasons, they will place it on another page with a figure title or
   whatever and cross-reference it from its natural in-line home.
   When I used to lay out books with full-depth pages, one way to
   get rid of orphans and widows was to make a double-spread
   a line shorter or a line deeper than normal to push the offending
   line forward or pull it back.
   This could be automated, with the proviso that a shallow page
   should never be immediately followed by a deeper page.  Believe
   me, no reader ever notices!  And you can avoid the problem of the
   last two lines of a para being dragged onto the next page, thus
   leaving a double-spread where one side is normal depth and the
   facing page is (apparently) one line shallower because a line
   has been pushed over.
   By the way, whenever writing to any Adobe person or submitting
   suggestions to the Adobe page at [3]
   http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html, don't forget to copy
   Sharon Burton
   Product Manager, Blaze
   Madcap Software
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Voice: 858-320-0387 x217
   Regards,
   Hedley

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   Tel. +61 3 9809 1229   Mobile +61 412 461 558,
   E-mail [4] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

References

   1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   2. http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html
   3. http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html
   4. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Klaus Daube]

   On 24 Sep 2007 at 21:29, Dov Isaacs wrote:

Adobe Technical Communication Suite will be available for

Microsoft(R) Windows Vista(TM) and Windows(R) XP and is expected to

ship by the end of October 2007 at an estimated price of US$1,599.

Users can upgrade for an estimated price of US$999 if they have
   prior

versions of Adobe Captivate, FrameMaker or RoboHelp.

   This pricing is very interesting.

   I have payed for my FM8 update here in Europe CHF 565.00 (approx USD
   470; in the US the update is USD 299).

   Comparing to the full FM8 price (US: USD 899, Europe: approx USD 1350)
   the offer is very compelling: 4 for 1.5!

   That may be reason for me to dive into a new purchase!

   Klaus Daube

   

   Docu + Design Daube; Schäracher 11; CH-8053 Zürich

   Technical documentation  consultancy; On-line and paper

   Phone:  +41-44-422 86 25  FAX: +41-44-422 82 78

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Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Great news!

This seems to me to be the official stamp of Adobe finally
acknowledging FrameMaker for what it is first and foremost: the best
all-over technical publication workhorse.

IMHO it only remains for Adobe to realise that FM is also one of the
best tools for regular book layout, except for one factor: Foreign
language support is very little. Only a few languages are really
supported. So therefore the vast majority are using Quark and
InDesign.

But congratulations, Adobe; congratulatios Framedome.

Bodvar


On 9/25/07, Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ( BW)(CA-ADOBE-SYSTEMS)(ADBE) Adobe Unveils Technical Communication
 Suite

 Integrated Toolkit for Technical Writers Includes Major Upgrade to
 RoboHelp

 Business Editors/Technology Writers

 SAN JOSE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 25, 2007--Adobe Systems
 Incorporated (Nasdaq:ADBE) today announced Adobe(R) Technical
 Communication Suite software, a first-of-a-kind, integrated solution
 for authoring, managing, and publishing technical information and
 training content across multiple formats and languages. Using the
 Adobe Technical Communication Suite, technical communicators and
 instructional designers can create powerful documentation, eLearning
 courses and user assistance programs containing both traditional text
 and graphics along with rich media, including Adobe Flash(R) Player
 compatible video and 3D.

 The suite includes Adobe RoboHelp(R) 7, a major upgrade to Adobe's
 help system and knowledge base authoring tool, as well as Adobe
 FrameMaker(R) 8, Adobe Captivate(R) 3 and Adobe Acrobat(R) 3D Version
 8 software. Product and workflow integration and support for rich
 media formats -- including Adobe Flash Player compatible video, SWF,
 MP3 and AVI files as well as industry standards, such as Adobe
 Portable Document Format (PDF), XML and Darwin Information Typing
 Architecture (DITA) -- empower authors to deliver compelling
 information, save time and reduce discrepancies in content.

 Adobe's leadership in the industry puts us in a unique position
 to deliver a completely new product, targeted squarely at technical
 communicators and instructional designers, said Naresh Gupta, senior
 vice president, Print and Classic Publishing at Adobe. The Technical
 Communication Suite provides all the tools publishers need to take
 technical communication to the next level with dramatically improved
 workflows and rich features like video, animations, 3D and Unicode
 support.

 Inside the Technical Communication Suite

 Introduced today, RoboHelp 7 delivers major new features enabling
 technical communicators to author, manage, and publish engaging
 content for embedded help systems and standalone knowledge bases. For
 the first time, technical communicators can easily update their online
 help systems with information authored in FrameMaker 8, without the
 need to re-import files for each update. The new release also adds
 Unicode support for publishing in multiple languages.

 Automated wizards and topic templates allow users to incorporate
 standard and advanced help features, including table of contents,
 indexes, glossaries, graphics, sound, video, simulations and
 navigation. Authors can generate multiple tables of content and apply
 conditional tags, index items, folders, and tailor output for specific
 purposes and formats, such as HTML, Adobe PDF and FlashHelp(R).
 RoboHelp 7 also supports a Multiple Document Interface (MDI) allowing
 easy copy and paste editing across topics. Additional new features
 include an updated and customizable user interface, enhancements to
 the HTML editor, and improved navigation and search features. For more
 details please visit www.adobe.com/products/robohelp.

 Launched in July 2007, FrameMaker 8 is a complete authoring and
 publishing tool that combines the simplicity of word processing with
 the power of XML. The new version adds support for 3D, DITA, XML and
 Unicode. With the integration of Adobe Captivate 3 technical authors
 can deliver high-impact information with quizzes, visual product
 demonstrations and simulations - all without the need for multimedia
 development skills. Acrobat 3D version 8 delivers a complete and more
 secure way to collaborate with extended teams on 3D designs via Adobe
 PDF documents. Technical communicators can easily manipulate and
 incorporate interactive 3D models without having to purchase CAD
 software.

 Pricing and Availability

 Adobe Technical Communication Suite will be available for
 Microsoft(R) Windows Vista(TM) and Windows(R) XP and is expected to
 ship by the end of October 2007 at an estimated price of US$1,599.
 Users can upgrade for an estimated price of US$999 if they have prior
 versions of Adobe Captivate, FrameMaker or RoboHelp. To learn more
 about the suite please visit
 www.adobe.com/technicalcommunicationsuite.

 RoboHelp 7 and RoboHelp Server 7 will be available for Microsoft
 Windows 

Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Bill Swallow]

So just how tightly are FM and RH integrated? I can't recall a
successful marriage of the two tools, historically. However, it's only
been a short time since the two were developed under the same roof, so
to speak.

I'd be interested in learning more about how these two tools work together.

-- 
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HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
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RE: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Michael O'Neill]

I wondered the same thing.  From what it looks like to me, RoboHelp
supports Framemaker in that it imports .fm and .mif files.  Since they
don't list Frame as a supported authoring environment, it doesn't look
like it is heavily integrated (/assumption). 

Here's what I gleaned off the website:

Support for Adobe FrameMaker 8 (Enhanced)

Import multiple Adobe FrameMaker(r) files (MIF and FM) at one time with
tables of contents, indexes, and glossaries. Apply conditional build
tags or user-defined variables to content before importing or when it's
time to publish. Map FrameMaker styles to RoboHelp styles when importing
MIF files. Repurpose FrameMaker content for HTML publishing on import
and use Topic Alias Markers to identify context-sensitive help.
   http://www.adobe.com/products/robohelp/productinfo/features/

Which authoring environment does RoboHelp 7 support other than the
built-in HTML editor?
RoboHelp 7 supports Adobe Dreamweaver(r) CS3; Macromedia(r)
Dreamweaver 8 from Adobe; Microsoft FrontPage 2003; HomeSite 5.5; and
Microsoft Word 2007, Word 2003, Word 2002, and Word 2000.
http://www.adobe.com/products/robohelp/productinfo/faq/

Does RoboHelp 7 integrate with FrameMaker?
You can import FrameMaker 8 MIF and FM files with style mapping,
conditional tags, user-defined variables, and Captivate content intact.
Additional RoboHelp 7 and FrameMaker integration can be experienced
through new Adobe Technical Communication Suite software, which includes
RoboHelp 7, FrameMaker 8, Captivate 3, and Adobe Acrobat(r) 3D Version 8
software.
http://www.adobe.com/products/robohelp/productinfo/faq/



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Subject: Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

So just how tightly are FM and RH integrated? I can't recall a
successful marriage of the two tools, historically. However, it's only
been a short time since the two were developed under the same roof, so
to speak.

I'd be interested in learning more about how these two tools work
together.

-- 
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
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Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Are you sure it's still available. I can't find this on Adobe's site, 
and the link below is no longer available.


To learn more
about the suite please visit
www.adobe.com/technicalcommunicationsuite.


Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson




Dov Isaacs wrote:

( BW)(CA-ADOBE-SYSTEMS)(ADBE) Adobe Unveils Technical Communication
Suite

Integrated Toolkit for Technical Writers Includes Major Upgrade to
RoboHelp

Business Editors/Technology Writers

SAN JOSE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 25, 2007--Adobe Systems
Incorporated (Nasdaq:ADBE) today announced Adobe(R) Technical
Communication Suite software, a first-of-a-kind, integrated solution
for authoring, managing, and publishing technical information and
training content across multiple formats and languages. Using the
Adobe Technical Communication Suite, technical communicators and
instructional designers can create powerful documentation, eLearning
courses and user assistance programs containing both traditional text
and graphics along with rich media, including Adobe Flash(R) Player
compatible video and 3D.

The suite includes Adobe RoboHelp(R) 7, a major upgrade to Adobe's
help system and knowledge base authoring tool, as well as Adobe
FrameMaker(R) 8, Adobe Captivate(R) 3 and Adobe Acrobat(R) 3D Version
8 software. Product and workflow integration and support for rich
media formats -- including Adobe Flash Player compatible video, SWF,
MP3 and AVI files as well as industry standards, such as Adobe
Portable Document Format (PDF), XML and Darwin Information Typing
Architecture (DITA) -- empower authors to deliver compelling
information, save time and reduce discrepancies in content.

Adobe's leadership in the industry puts us in a unique position
to deliver a completely new product, targeted squarely at technical
communicators and instructional designers, said Naresh Gupta, senior
vice president, Print and Classic Publishing at Adobe. The Technical
Communication Suite provides all the tools publishers need to take
technical communication to the next level with dramatically improved
workflows and rich features like video, animations, 3D and Unicode
support.

Inside the Technical Communication Suite

Introduced today, RoboHelp 7 delivers major new features enabling
technical communicators to author, manage, and publish engaging
content for embedded help systems and standalone knowledge bases. For
the first time, technical communicators can easily update their online
help systems with information authored in FrameMaker 8, without the
need to re-import files for each update. The new release also adds
Unicode support for publishing in multiple languages.

Automated wizards and topic templates allow users to incorporate
standard and advanced help features, including table of contents,
indexes, glossaries, graphics, sound, video, simulations and
navigation. Authors can generate multiple tables of content and apply
conditional tags, index items, folders, and tailor output for specific
purposes and formats, such as HTML, Adobe PDF and FlashHelp(R).
RoboHelp 7 also supports a Multiple Document Interface (MDI) allowing
easy copy and paste editing across topics. Additional new features
include an updated and customizable user interface, enhancements to
the HTML editor, and improved navigation and search features. For more
details please visit www.adobe.com/products/robohelp.

Launched in July 2007, FrameMaker 8 is a complete authoring and
publishing tool that combines the simplicity of word processing with
the power of XML. The new version adds support for 3D, DITA, XML and
Unicode. With the integration of Adobe Captivate 3 technical authors
can deliver high-impact information with quizzes, visual product
demonstrations and simulations - all without the need for multimedia
development skills. Acrobat 3D version 8 delivers a complete and more
secure way to collaborate with extended teams on 3D designs via Adobe
PDF documents. Technical communicators can easily manipulate and
incorporate interactive 3D models without having to purchase CAD
software.

Pricing and Availability

Adobe Technical Communication Suite will be available for
Microsoft(R) Windows Vista(TM) and Windows(R) XP and is expected to
ship by the end of October 2007 at an estimated price of US$1,599.
Users can upgrade for an estimated price of US$999 if they have prior
versions of Adobe Captivate, FrameMaker or RoboHelp. To learn more
about the suite please visit
www.adobe.com/technicalcommunicationsuite.

RoboHelp 7 and RoboHelp Server 7 will be available for Microsoft
Windows Vista, Windows XP or Windows 2000 and are expected to ship by
the end of October 2007 at an estimated price of US$999 for RoboHelp 7
and US$1,999 for RoboHelp Server 7. Customers of RoboHelp 6 and
RoboHelp Server 6 can upgrade for an estimated price of US$79 and
US$160 respectively. Customers of any previous version of RoboHelp can
upgrade to RoboHelp 7 for an estimated price of US$499. For 

RE: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Mark Southee]

 
This one should work.

http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/

Cheers

Mark

Mark Southee 
Documentation Manager 
SurfControl 
Direct: +44 01260 296139
Fax: +44 01260 296201
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.surfcontrol.com 

 SurfControl - Enterprise Threat Protection

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: 25 September 2007 15:56
To: Framers
Subject: Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

Are you sure it's still available. I can't find this on Adobe's site,
and the link below is no longer available.

To learn more
about the suite please visit
www.adobe.com/technicalcommunicationsuite.


Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson




Dov Isaacs wrote:
 ( BW)(CA-ADOBE-SYSTEMS)(ADBE) Adobe Unveils Technical Communication 
 Suite

 Integrated Toolkit for Technical Writers Includes Major Upgrade to

 RoboHelp

 Business Editors/Technology Writers

 SAN JOSE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 25, 2007--Adobe Systems 
 Incorporated (Nasdaq:ADBE) today announced Adobe(R) Technical 
 Communication Suite software, a first-of-a-kind, integrated solution 
 for authoring, managing, and publishing technical information and 
 training content across multiple formats and languages. Using the 
 Adobe Technical Communication Suite, technical communicators and 
 instructional designers can create powerful documentation, eLearning 
 courses and user assistance programs containing both traditional text 
 and graphics along with rich media, including Adobe Flash(R) Player 
 compatible video and 3D.

 The suite includes Adobe RoboHelp(R) 7, a major upgrade to Adobe's

 help system and knowledge base authoring tool, as well as Adobe
 FrameMaker(R) 8, Adobe Captivate(R) 3 and Adobe Acrobat(R) 3D Version
 8 software. Product and workflow integration and support for rich 
 media formats -- including Adobe Flash Player compatible video, SWF,
 MP3 and AVI files as well as industry standards, such as Adobe 
 Portable Document Format (PDF), XML and Darwin Information Typing 
 Architecture (DITA) -- empower authors to deliver compelling 
 information, save time and reduce discrepancies in content.

 Adobe's leadership in the industry puts us in a unique position 
 to deliver a completely new product, targeted squarely at technical 
 communicators and instructional designers, said Naresh Gupta, senior 
 vice president, Print and Classic Publishing at Adobe. The Technical 
 Communication Suite provides all the tools publishers need to take 
 technical communication to the next level with dramatically improved 
 workflows and rich features like video, animations, 3D and Unicode 
 support.

 Inside the Technical Communication Suite

 Introduced today, RoboHelp 7 delivers major new features enabling 
 technical communicators to author, manage, and publish engaging 
 content for embedded help systems and standalone knowledge bases. For 
 the first time, technical communicators can easily update their online

 help systems with information authored in FrameMaker 8, without the 
 need to re-import files for each update. The new release also adds 
 Unicode support for publishing in multiple languages.

 Automated wizards and topic templates allow users to incorporate 
 standard and advanced help features, including table of contents, 
 indexes, glossaries, graphics, sound, video, simulations and 
 navigation. Authors can generate multiple tables of content and apply 
 conditional tags, index items, folders, and tailor output for specific

 purposes and formats, such as HTML, Adobe PDF and FlashHelp(R).
 RoboHelp 7 also supports a Multiple Document Interface (MDI) allowing 
 easy copy and paste editing across topics. Additional new features 
 include an updated and customizable user interface, enhancements to 
 the HTML editor, and improved navigation and search features. For more

 details please visit www.adobe.com/products/robohelp.

 Launched in July 2007, FrameMaker 8 is a complete authoring and 
 publishing tool that combines the simplicity of word processing with 
 the power of XML. The new version adds support for 3D, DITA, XML and 
 Unicode. With the integration of Adobe Captivate 3 technical authors 
 can deliver high-impact information with quizzes, visual product 
 demonstrations and simulations - all without the need for multimedia 
 development skills. Acrobat 3D version 8 delivers a complete and more 
 secure way to collaborate with extended teams on 3D designs via Adobe 
 PDF documents. Technical communicators can easily manipulate and 
 incorporate interactive 3D models without having to purchase CAD 
 software.

 Pricing and Availability

 Adobe Technical Communication Suite will be available for
 Microsoft(R) Windows Vista(TM) and Windows(R) XP and is expected to 
 ship by the end of October 2007 at an estimated price of US$1,599.
 Users can upgrade for an estimated price of US$999 if they have prior 
 versions

Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Does not work either for me, but this one does:
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/?promoid=BJXOA

Bodvar

On 9/25/07, Mark Southee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This one should work.

 http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/

 Cheers

 Mark

 Mark Southee
 Documentation Manager
 SurfControl
 Direct: +44 01260 296139
 Fax: +44 01260 296201
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.surfcontrol.com

  SurfControl - Enterprise Threat Protection

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 m] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
 Sent: 25 September 2007 15:56
 To: Framers
 Subject: Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

 Are you sure it's still available. I can't find this on Adobe's site,
 and the link below is no longer available.

 To learn more
 about the suite please visit
 www.adobe.com/technicalcommunicationsuite.


 Regards,
 Shmuel Wolfson




 Dov Isaacs wrote:
  ( BW)(CA-ADOBE-SYSTEMS)(ADBE) Adobe Unveils Technical Communication
  Suite
 
  Integrated Toolkit for Technical Writers Includes Major Upgrade to

  RoboHelp
 
  Business Editors/Technology Writers
 
  SAN JOSE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 25, 2007--Adobe Systems
  Incorporated (Nasdaq:ADBE) today announced Adobe(R) Technical
  Communication Suite software, a first-of-a-kind, integrated solution
  for authoring, managing, and publishing technical information and
  training content across multiple formats and languages. Using the
  Adobe Technical Communication Suite, technical communicators and
  instructional designers can create powerful documentation, eLearning
  courses and user assistance programs containing both traditional text
  and graphics along with rich media, including Adobe Flash(R) Player
  compatible video and 3D.
 
  The suite includes Adobe RoboHelp(R) 7, a major upgrade to Adobe's

  help system and knowledge base authoring tool, as well as Adobe
  FrameMaker(R) 8, Adobe Captivate(R) 3 and Adobe Acrobat(R) 3D Version
  8 software. Product and workflow integration and support for rich
  media formats -- including Adobe Flash Player compatible video, SWF,
  MP3 and AVI files as well as industry standards, such as Adobe
  Portable Document Format (PDF), XML and Darwin Information Typing
  Architecture (DITA) -- empower authors to deliver compelling
  information, save time and reduce discrepancies in content.
 
  Adobe's leadership in the industry puts us in a unique position
  to deliver a completely new product, targeted squarely at technical
  communicators and instructional designers, said Naresh Gupta, senior
  vice president, Print and Classic Publishing at Adobe. The Technical
  Communication Suite provides all the tools publishers need to take
  technical communication to the next level with dramatically improved
  workflows and rich features like video, animations, 3D and Unicode
  support.
 
  Inside the Technical Communication Suite
 
  Introduced today, RoboHelp 7 delivers major new features enabling
  technical communicators to author, manage, and publish engaging
  content for embedded help systems and standalone knowledge bases. For
  the first time, technical communicators can easily update their online

  help systems with information authored in FrameMaker 8, without the
  need to re-import files for each update. The new release also adds
  Unicode support for publishing in multiple languages.
 
  Automated wizards and topic templates allow users to incorporate
  standard and advanced help features, including table of contents,
  indexes, glossaries, graphics, sound, video, simulations and
  navigation. Authors can generate multiple tables of content and apply
  conditional tags, index items, folders, and tailor output for specific

  purposes and formats, such as HTML, Adobe PDF and FlashHelp(R).
  RoboHelp 7 also supports a Multiple Document Interface (MDI) allowing
  easy copy and paste editing across topics. Additional new features
  include an updated and customizable user interface, enhancements to
  the HTML editor, and improved navigation and search features. For more

  details please visit www.adobe.com/products/robohelp.
 
  Launched in July 2007, FrameMaker 8 is a complete authoring and
  publishing tool that combines the simplicity of word processing with
  the power of XML. The new version adds support for 3D, DITA, XML and
  Unicode. With the integration of Adobe Captivate 3 technical authors
  can deliver high-impact information with quizzes, visual product
  demonstrations and simulations - all without the need for multimedia
  development skills. Acrobat 3D version 8 delivers a complete and more
  secure way to collaborate with extended teams on 3D designs via Adobe
  PDF documents. Technical communicators can easily manipulate and
  incorporate interactive 3D models without having to purchase CAD
  software.
 
  Pricing and Availability
 
  Adobe Technical Communication Suite

RE: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[richard.melanson]

 WOW !!! Outstanding. Way to go Adobe !

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Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:29 AM
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Importance: High

( BW)(CA-ADOBE-SYSTEMS)(ADBE) Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

Integrated Toolkit for Technical Writers Includes Major Upgrade to RoboHelp

Business Editors/Technology Writers

SAN JOSE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 25, 2007--Adobe Systems 
Incorporated (Nasdaq:ADBE) today announced Adobe(R) Technical Communication 
Suite software, a first-of-a-kind, integrated solution for authoring, managing, 
and publishing technical information and training content across multiple 
formats and languages. Using the Adobe Technical Communication Suite, technical 
communicators and instructional designers can create powerful documentation, 
eLearning courses and user assistance programs containing both traditional text 
and graphics along with rich media, including Adobe Flash(R) Player compatible 
video and 3D.

The suite includes Adobe RoboHelp(R) 7, a major upgrade to Adobe's help 
system and knowledge base authoring tool, as well as Adobe
FrameMaker(R) 8, Adobe Captivate(R) 3 and Adobe Acrobat(R) 3D Version
8 software. Product and workflow integration and support for rich media formats 
-- including Adobe Flash Player compatible video, SWF,
MP3 and AVI files as well as industry standards, such as Adobe Portable 
Document Format (PDF), XML and Darwin Information Typing Architecture (DITA) -- 
empower authors to deliver compelling information, save time and reduce 
discrepancies in content.

Adobe's leadership in the industry puts us in a unique position to deliver 
a completely new product, targeted squarely at technical communicators and 
instructional designers, said Naresh Gupta, senior vice president, Print and 
Classic Publishing at Adobe. The Technical Communication Suite provides all 
the tools publishers need to take technical communication to the next level 
with dramatically improved workflows and rich features like video, animations, 
3D and Unicode support.

Inside the Technical Communication Suite

Introduced today, RoboHelp 7 delivers major new features enabling technical 
communicators to author, manage, and publish engaging content for embedded help 
systems and standalone knowledge bases. For the first time, technical 
communicators can easily update their online help systems with information 
authored in FrameMaker 8, without the need to re-import files for each update. 
The new release also adds Unicode support for publishing in multiple languages.

Automated wizards and topic templates allow users to incorporate standard 
and advanced help features, including table of contents, indexes, glossaries, 
graphics, sound, video, simulations and navigation. Authors can generate 
multiple tables of content and apply conditional tags, index items, folders, 
and tailor output for specific purposes and formats, such as HTML, Adobe PDF 
and FlashHelp(R).
RoboHelp 7 also supports a Multiple Document Interface (MDI) allowing easy copy 
and paste editing across topics. Additional new features include an updated and 
customizable user interface, enhancements to the HTML editor, and improved 
navigation and search features. For more details please visit 
www.adobe.com/products/robohelp.

Launched in July 2007, FrameMaker 8 is a complete authoring and publishing 
tool that combines the simplicity of word processing with the power of XML. The 
new version adds support for 3D, DITA, XML and Unicode. With the integration of 
Adobe Captivate 3 technical authors can deliver high-impact information with 
quizzes, visual product demonstrations and simulations - all without the need 
for multimedia development skills. Acrobat 3D version 8 delivers a complete and 
more secure way to collaborate with extended teams on 3D designs via Adobe PDF 
documents. Technical communicators can easily manipulate and incorporate 
interactive 3D models without having to purchase CAD software.

Pricing and Availability

Adobe Technical Communication Suite will be available for
Microsoft(R) Windows Vista(TM) and Windows(R) XP and is expected to ship by the 
end of October 2007 at an estimated price of US$1,599.
Users can upgrade for an estimated price of US$999 if they have prior versions 
of Adobe Captivate, FrameMaker or RoboHelp. To learn more about the suite 
please visit www.adobe.com/technicalcommunicationsuite.

RoboHelp 7 and RoboHelp Server 7 will be available for Microsoft Windows 
Vista, Windows XP or Windows 2000 and are expected to ship by the end of 
October 2007 at an estimated price of US$999 for RoboHelp 7 and US$1,999 for 
RoboHelp Server 7. Customers of RoboHelp 6 and RoboHelp Server 6 can upgrade 
for an estimated price of 

RE: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Richard Levine]

According to Adobe's web site, RH 7  integration is one-way .fm or .mif
file import. If this is true, it is not integration in my book.

---
Richard D. Levine

Technical Writer
Check Point Software Technologies Ltd.
5 HaSollalim St., Tel Aviv, Israel 61093
Tel: 03-611-5358

Cell: 0545-994057
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Subject: Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

So just how tightly are FM and RH integrated? I can't recall a successful
marriage of the two tools, historically. However, it's only been a short
time since the two were developed under the same roof, so to speak.

I'd be interested in learning more about how these two tools work together.

--
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
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RE: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Kelly McDaniel]

Right, IMHO! Migration, not integration...Kelly. 

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According to Adobe's web site, RH 7  integration is one-way .fm or
.mif
file import. If this is true, it is not integration in my book.

---
Richard D. Levine

Technical Writer
Check Point Software Technologies Ltd.
5 HaSollalim St., Tel Aviv, Israel 61093
Tel: 03-611-5358

Cell: 0545-994057
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Subject: Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

So just how tightly are FM and RH integrated? I can't recall a
successful
marriage of the two tools, historically. However, it's only been a short
time since the two were developed under the same roof, so to speak.

I'd be interested in learning more about how these two tools work
together.

--
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
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RE: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Lin Surasky]

 
 According to Adobe's web site, RH 7  integration is one-way 
 .fm or .mif file import. If this is true, it is not 
 integration in my book.
 

Nor is it any sort of improvement on the pre-Adobe versions, which
imported MIF files at least since X5, if not before then
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Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Bill Swallow]

Doesn't seem like much of an integration, and certainly isn't
single-sourcing given you can't round-trip the RH content back to FM.
It's a repurposing solution.

On 9/25/07, Lin Surasky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  According to Adobe's web site, RH 7  integration is one-way
  .fm or .mif file import. If this is true, it is not
  integration in my book.
 

 Nor is it any sort of improvement on the pre-Adobe versions, which
 imported MIF files at least since X5, if not before then

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Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

Am 25.09.2007 um 16:41 schrieb Richard Levine:

According to Adobe's web site, RH 7  integration is one-way .fm  
or .mif

file import. If this is true, it is not integration in my book.


No, it's more than that.

It is a connection to the original FrameMaker book or document very  
much like good ol' WebWorks Publisher provided it. If you change your  
FrameMaker documents, this will be reflected in your RoboHelp output,  
if you want so. But you can do local changes, if you like breaking  
your single-source workflow.


Check it out! Very much like I couldn't believe we would see  
FrameMaker with Unicode I was surprised to see that level of  
integration with RoboHelp.


- Michael Müller-Hillebrand

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Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Yves Barbion]

Great! I think the Tech Com suite is definitely a move in the right 
direction. I would add Photoshop and Illustrator to that suite as well.


I'm wondering whether this can be done:

   * Author and maintain DITA content in FrameMaker.
   * Import the ditamap instead of the FM book file into the RoboHelp
 Project.
   * Generate WebHelp or FlashHelp.

Of course, with all the DITA bells and whistles (conrefs, reltables, 
...) fully supported.


Kind regards

Yves Barbion 
Documentation Architect

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Michael Müller-Hillebrand wrote:

Am 25.09.2007 um 16:41 schrieb Richard Levine:

According to Adobe's web site, RH 7  integration is one-way .fm or 
.mif

file import. If this is true, it is not integration in my book.


No, it's more than that.

It is a connection to the original FrameMaker book or document very 
much like good ol' WebWorks Publisher provided it. If you change your 
FrameMaker documents, this will be reflected in your RoboHelp output, 
if you want so. But you can do local changes, if you like breaking 
your single-source workflow.


Check it out! Very much like I couldn't believe we would see 
FrameMaker with Unicode I was surprised to see that level of 
integration with RoboHelp.


- Michael Müller-Hillebrand

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RE: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Combs, Richard]

Bill Swallow wrote:
 
 Doesn't seem like much of an integration, and certainly isn't 
 single-sourcing given you can't round-trip the RH content back to FM.
 It's a repurposing solution.


If round-tripping were a prerequisite for single-sourcing, then using
Acrobat Distiller and Webworks Publisher to create deliverables from
your FM files wouldn't qualify. 

As Michael noted, the integration or whatever you call it seems to make
it unnecessary (although still possible) to make changes in RH after
importing the FM source. If that's true, then you can single-source. 

Take a look at the FAQ
(http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/faq/),
especially these questions:

- What does Technical Communication Suite offer technical communicators
and help authors that they don't already get with FrameMaker or
RoboHelp?

- Will RoboHelp 7 work with RoboHelp projects that have FrameMaker
source files added as links?

- Is there a difference between the standalone versions of RoboHelp 7,
FrameMaker 8, Acrobat 3D Version 8, and Captivate 3 and the software
versions included in Technical Communication Suite?

- What are the key benefits of Technical Communication Suite?

Note that the suite versions of FM8 and RH7 have unique features to
improve the workflow that are not included in the standalone versions.
If you just sprang for the standalone version of either or both, you may
want to whine to your Adobe representative about some kind of
(inexpensive) migration path. :-)

Richard


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Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Bill Swallow]

 If round-tripping were a prerequisite for single-sourcing, then using
 Acrobat Distiller and Webworks Publisher to create deliverables from
 your FM files wouldn't qualify.

On the surface this would appear to be true, however Distiller and WWP
are not authoring environments. The FM files remain unaltered in those
models. That is, the single source is used. FM+RH is still repurposing
content from FM into RH then out to whatever output you choose, and
unless I'm missing something, if you make changes in RH to your
content, you can't repurpose the content back to FM.

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RE: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Combs, Richard]

Bill Swallow wrote: 

 FM+RH is still repurposing content from FM 
 into RH then out to whatever output you choose, and unless 
 I'm missing something, if you make changes in RH to your 
 content, you can't repurpose the content back to FM.

That's true *if* you make changes in RH to your content -- but Adobe
seems to be saying (and Michael has confirmed) that you don't *need* to
make changes in RH (unlike in earlier versions). 

IOW, you can use RH as an output engine, not an authoring tool, if you
choose to do so. At least, that seems to be the promise. 

If the authoring in RH is _no_longer_necessary_ and you
_refrain_from_doing_it_ -- then, by golly, you're single sourcing.

Richard


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Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Hedley Finger]

Bodvar and others:

At Tuesday, 25/09/2007, 07:07 PM;, you wrote:

IMHO it only remains for Adobe to realise that FM is also one of the
best tools for regular book layout,


Well, it will be if we ALL start screaming for

@   working in double-spreads, i.e.
-- photographs and graphics that spread across the gutter of
   facing pages,
-- automatic equalising the depth of facing pages
-- sideheads that are (optionally) automatically ragged L flush
   R on left pages, ragged R flush L on right pages
-- table and figure titles that are (optionally) 
automatically ragged L

   flush R on left pages, ragged R flush L on right pages
PageMaker could a lot of the above and, it is reputed, so can
InDesign!

@   floating tables that don't drag the lines from their anchor paragraph
onto the next page

@   a unified figure element like a one-celled table with integrated title,
caption, and graphic components; can also float

@   tables and figures that can have their titles above, below, 
to the left

or to the right of the table body

@   footnotes (*, +, etc.) and endnotes/citations (1, 2, etc.) mingled
on the same page

@   proper support for notes other than footnotes: chapter endnotes, book
endnotes

@   automatic flowing of lengthy footnotes over successive pages if they
exceed the allowable footnote depth on a page

@   support for bibliographies/citations (inc. Harvard and Chicago style)

@   a multifaceted cross-reference format that automatically adjusts for
the location of the target:
'see Table 9.2 opposite' // doublespread
'see Table 9.2 previous' // ref on L page pointing to prev R
'see Table 9.2 overleaf'' // ref on R page pointing to next L
'see Table 9.2 above' // same page
'see Table 9.2 below' // same page
'see Table 9.2, 'Desirable features for FM', on page 167' // 
far target


@   a proper indexing app built-in that shows real-time display of all
entries and allows a main entry to be changed, thus changing all
markers with that main entry; just mash-up emDex, IXgen, Index Pro,
Macrex, Cindex, Sky Index, etc.; also includes progressive match
with similar existing entries, a thesaurus/taxonomy for 
different subject

domains that similarly proposes candidate entries

@   in Indexes, automatic continuation entries when subentries break from
an R page to a following L, e.g.

canines (cont.)
breeds
recommended diet
exercise requirements

@   internal xrefs as hotlinks in PDFs, e.g.

dogs. See canines

@   automatic updating of index xrefs if target changes

@   as well as automatically associating graphic elements above and below
paragraphs, how about to the left or right and BEHIND the para?

Altogether now ...

What do we want?
ALL OF THE ABOVE

When do we want it?
FOUR RELEASES AGO

Given Frame Technologies' and Adobe's history of issuing releases with
minimal features for large upgrade fees, we can expect all of the above
to be implemented in ... let's count up ... release 22!

Regards,
Hedley


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