Re: Tab issue with FrameMaker 8
When I checked the formats of each paragraph style, I overlooked one on the heading that was giving me the problem. The box for the right indent on the Basic tab was set to 4.0". I reset it to zero and the tab/leader works properly now. Thanks to all for your help. -- Original message -- From: "Klaus Daube" > blamb...@comcast.net wrote: > > > >> The tab mark is there, and I checked to make sure that all of the > > >> definitions in the Paragraph Designer were the same for all (tab > > >> position and leader type). > ... > > Something I have noticed with right tabulation: > FM may trap into rounding errors (at least in the metric world). If you > have a tab position R 18.0cm and a text frame 18.0cm wide it may happen > that the tab is not performed. In such cases I just set the tab > position to 17.95 cm, which > is not visible. > > FM works internally with an unknown unit of measure (it may be a MIL = > 0.001 inch, but I am not certain) > > FWIW > Klaus Daube > > http://mymemo.ch und nie mehr einen Gedanken oder Termin > verpassen. > > Docu + Design Daube; Schäracher 11; CH-8053 Zürich > Technical documentation & consultancy; On-line and paper > Phone: +41-44-422 86 25 FAX: +41-44-422 82 78 > E-mail: d...@daube.ch Web: www.daube.ch/ > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as blamb...@comcast.net. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/blamborn%40comcast.net > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Tab issue with FrameMaker 8
When I checked the formats of each paragraph style, I overlooked one on the heading that was giving me the problem. The box for the right indent on the Basic tab was set to 4.0". I reset it to zero and the tab/leader works properly now. Thanks to all for your help. -- Original message -- From: "Klaus Daube" > blamborn at comcast.net wrote: > > > >> The tab mark is there, and I checked to make sure that all of the > > >> definitions in the Paragraph Designer were the same for all (tab > > >> position and leader type). > ... > > Something I have noticed with right tabulation: > FM may trap into rounding errors (at least in the metric world). If you > have a tab position R 18.0cm and a text frame 18.0cm wide it may happen > that the tab is not performed. In such cases I just set the tab > position to 17.95 cm, which > is not visible. > > FM works internally with an unknown unit of measure (it may be a MIL = > 0.001 inch, but I am not certain) > > FWIW > Klaus Daube > > http://mymemo.ch und nie mehr einen Gedanken oder Termin > verpassen. > > Docu + Design Daube; Sch?racher 11; CH-8053 Z?rich > Technical documentation & consultancy; On-line and paper > Phone: +41-44-422 86 25 FAX: +41-44-422 82 78 > E-mail: ddd at daube.ch Web: www.daube.ch/ > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as blamborn at comcast.net. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/blamborn%40comcast.net > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Tab issue with FrameMaker 8
blamborn at comcast.net wrote: > >> The tab mark is there, and I checked to make sure that all of the > >> definitions in the Paragraph Designer were the same for all (tab > >> position and leader type). ... Something I have noticed with right tabulation: FM may trap into rounding errors (at least in the metric world). If you have a tab position R 18.0cm and a text frame 18.0cm wide it may happen that the tab is not performed. In such cases I just set the tab position to 17.95 cm, which is not visible. FM works internally with an unknown unit of measure (it may be a MIL = 0.001 inch, but I am not certain) FWIW Klaus Daube http://mymemo.ch und nie mehr einen Gedanken oder Termin verpassen. Docu + Design Daube; Sch?racher 11; CH-8053 Z?rich Technical documentation & consultancy; On-line and paper Phone: +41-44-422 86 25 FAX: +41-44-422 82 78 E-mail: ddd at daube.ch Web: www.daube.ch/
Re: Tab issue with FrameMaker 8
blamb...@comcast.net wrote: > >> The tab mark is there, and I checked to make sure that all of the > >> definitions in the Paragraph Designer were the same for all (tab > >> position and leader type). ... Something I have noticed with right tabulation: FM may trap into rounding errors (at least in the metric world). If you have a tab position R 18.0cm and a text frame 18.0cm wide it may happen that the tab is not performed. In such cases I just set the tab position to 17.95 cm, which is not visible. FM works internally with an unknown unit of measure (it may be a MIL = 0.001 inch, but I am not certain) FWIW Klaus Daube http://mymemo.ch und nie mehr einen Gedanken oder Termin verpassen. Docu + Design Daube; Schäracher 11; CH-8053 Zürich Technical documentation & consultancy; On-line and paper Phone: +41-44-422 86 25 FAX: +41-44-422 82 78 E-mail: d...@daube.ch Web: www.daube.ch/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Tab issue with FrameMaker 8
Peter, Thanks for the info. I went back to double check what was going on. The tabs were not there. I manually inserted them. The tabs/leaders work for Paragraph Designs (auto generated by Frame) Heading2TOC through Heading 5TOC. They do not work for Heading1TOC (the top level). The tab mark is there, and I checked to make sure that all of the definitions in the Paragraph Designer were the same for all (tab position and leader type). I get nice leaders and page # placement for all except the top level. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brian -- Original message -- From: "Peter Gold" > Hi, Brian: > > Turn on View > Text Symbols to verify that there's a tab character to > the left of the page numbers on the TOC body page, then: > > * If there is NO tab character on the TOC body page, on the reference > page named TOC, if there is no tab character (looks like a greater > than symbol) to the left of the <$pagenum> building blocks for each > line that represents an entry level, you need.to manually type a tab > character at that spot. Then regenerate the TOC - FM creates the tab > on the body page before the page number by "picking up" the one you > type on the reference page. > > * If there IS a tab character to the left of the page number on the > TOC body page, then the cause usually comes from the TOC reference > page's text frame width being wider than the body page's text-frame > width. If you've position the right-aligned tab stop at the right edge > of the reference-page's text frame (the wider one), the tab character > in the text frame on the TOC body page can't reach the tab stop. > > HTH > > Regards, > > Peter Gold > KnowHow ProServices > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:52 AM, wrote: > > I am working with FrameMaker 8 on a Windows XP platform. I have my product > interface in preferences set to FrameMaker. > > > > I have generated a TOC and am trying to set tabs to place the page number > > out > near the right edge of the page. I have defined the tab stops, but when I > hit > the tab key the insertion point does not move. > > > > I have followed the steps laid out in the Help file to the letter and am > > not > having success. > > > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brian ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Tab issue with FrameMaker 8
Peter, Thanks for the info. I went back to double check what was going on. The tabs were not there. I manually inserted them. The tabs/leaders work for Paragraph Designs (auto generated by Frame) Heading2TOC through Heading 5TOC. They do not work for Heading1TOC (the top level). The tab mark is there, and I checked to make sure that all of the definitions in the Paragraph Designer were the same for all (tab position and leader type). I get nice leaders and page # placement for all except the top level. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brian -- Original message -- From: "Peter Gold" > Hi, Brian: > > Turn on View > Text Symbols to verify that there's a tab character to > the left of the page numbers on the TOC body page, then: > > * If there is NO tab character on the TOC body page, on the reference > page named TOC, if there is no tab character (looks like a greater > than symbol) to the left of the <$pagenum> building blocks for each > line that represents an entry level, you need.to manually type a tab > character at that spot. Then regenerate the TOC - FM creates the tab > on the body page before the page number by "picking up" the one you > type on the reference page. > > * If there IS a tab character to the left of the page number on the > TOC body page, then the cause usually comes from the TOC reference > page's text frame width being wider than the body page's text-frame > width. If you've position the right-aligned tab stop at the right edge > of the reference-page's text frame (the wider one), the tab character > in the text frame on the TOC body page can't reach the tab stop. > > HTH > > Regards, > > Peter Gold > KnowHow ProServices > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:52 AM, wrote: > > I am working with FrameMaker 8 on a Windows XP platform. I have my product > interface in preferences set to FrameMaker. > > > > I have generated a TOC and am trying to set tabs to place the page number > > out > near the right edge of the page. I have defined the tab stops, but when I > hit > the tab key the insertion point does not move. > > > > I have followed the steps laid out in the Help file to the letter and am > > not > having success. > > > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brian
Tab issue with FrameMaker 8
Peter Gold wrote: > Hi, Brian: > > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:21 AM, wrote: >> Peter, >> >> Thanks for the info. I went back to double check what was going >> on. The tabs were not there. I manually inserted them. The >> tabs/leaders work for Paragraph Designs (auto generated by Frame) >> Heading2TOC through Heading 5TOC. They do not work for Heading1TOC >> (the top level). >> >> The tab mark is there, and I checked to make sure that all of the >> definitions in the Paragraph Designer were the same for all (tab >> position and leader type). >> >> I get nice leaders and page # placement for all except the top >> level. >> >> Any suggestions? > > * If a tab character is beyond (to the right of) its corresponding > tab stop, it's ignored. Check that your top-level text isn't so long > that it's causing this. > > * Verify that the rightmost tab stop is right aligned. > > * Verify that the reference page top-level prototype line contains > the manually-inserted tab character, that the right-aligned tab stop > position falls within the body-page's text-frame width. > > * Verify that no nearby body- or master-page graphic or text frame > has its runaround property ON - this can force the text to the left, > which simulates the tab failing. > > * Regenerate the TOC. > > I'm out of ideas. One more! Verify that there is only one TOC reference page. Sometimes a second one gets created, and it can make life very very confusing. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "When the flag is unfurled, all reason is in the trumpet." -- Ukrainian proverb
Tab issue with FrameMaker 8
Hi, Brian: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:21 AM, wrote: > Peter, > > Thanks for the info. I went back to double check what was going on. The > tabs were not there. I manually inserted them. The tabs/leaders work for > Paragraph Designs (auto generated by Frame) Heading2TOC through Heading 5TOC. > They do not work for Heading1TOC (the top level). > > The tab mark is there, and I checked to make sure that all of the definitions > in the Paragraph Designer were the same for all (tab position and leader > type). > > I get nice leaders and page # placement for all except the top level. > > Any suggestions? * If a tab character is beyond (to the right of) its corresponding tab stop, it's ignored. Check that your top-level text isn't so long that it's causing this. * Verify that the rightmost tab stop is right aligned. * Verify that the reference page top-level prototype line contains the manually-inserted tab character, that the right-aligned tab stop position falls within the body-page's text-frame width. * Verify that no nearby body- or master-page graphic or text frame has its runaround property ON - this can force the text to the left, which simulates the tab failing. * Regenerate the TOC. I'm out of ideas. Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices > Thanks, > > Brian > -- Original message -- > From: "Peter Gold" >> Hi, Brian: >> >> Turn on View > Text Symbols to verify that there's a tab character to >> the left of the page numbers on the TOC body page, then: >> >> * If there is NO tab character on the TOC body page, on the reference >> page named TOC, if there is no tab character (looks like a greater >> than symbol) to the left of the <$pagenum> building blocks for each >> line that represents an entry level, you need.to manually type a tab >> character at that spot. Then regenerate the TOC - FM creates the tab >> on the body page before the page number by "picking up" the one you >> type on the reference page. >> >> * If there IS a tab character to the left of the page number on the >> TOC body page, then the cause usually comes from the TOC reference >> page's text frame width being wider than the body page's text-frame >> width. If you've position the right-aligned tab stop at the right edge >> of the reference-page's text frame (the wider one), the tab character >> in the text frame on the TOC body page can't reach the tab stop. >> >> HTH >> >> Regards, >> >> Peter Gold >> KnowHow ProServices >> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:52 AM, wrote: >> > I am working with FrameMaker 8 on a Windows XP platform. I have my product >> interface in preferences set to FrameMaker. >> > >> > I have generated a TOC and am trying to set tabs to place the page number >> > out >> near the right edge of the page. I have defined the tab stops, but when I >> hit >> the tab key the insertion point does not move. >> > >> > I have followed the steps laid out in the Help file to the letter and am >> > not >> having success. >> > >> > Can anyone point me in the right direction? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Brian > >
Re: Tab issue with FrameMaker 8
Peter Gold wrote: > Hi, Brian: > > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:21 AM, wrote: >> Peter, >> >> Thanks for the info. I went back to double check what was going >> on. The tabs were not there. I manually inserted them. The >> tabs/leaders work for Paragraph Designs (auto generated by Frame) >> Heading2TOC through Heading 5TOC. They do not work for Heading1TOC >> (the top level). >> >> The tab mark is there, and I checked to make sure that all of the >> definitions in the Paragraph Designer were the same for all (tab >> position and leader type). >> >> I get nice leaders and page # placement for all except the top >> level. >> >> Any suggestions? > > * If a tab character is beyond (to the right of) its corresponding > tab stop, it's ignored. Check that your top-level text isn't so long > that it's causing this. > > * Verify that the rightmost tab stop is right aligned. > > * Verify that the reference page top-level prototype line contains > the manually-inserted tab character, that the right-aligned tab stop > position falls within the body-page's text-frame width. > > * Verify that no nearby body- or master-page graphic or text frame > has its runaround property ON - this can force the text to the left, > which simulates the tab failing. > > * Regenerate the TOC. > > I'm out of ideas. One more! Verify that there is only one TOC reference page. Sometimes a second one gets created, and it can make life very very confusing. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "When the flag is unfurled, all reason is in the trumpet." -- Ukrainian proverb ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Tab issue with FrameMaker 8
Hi, Brian: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:21 AM, wrote: > Peter, > > Thanks for the info. I went back to double check what was going on. The > tabs were not there. I manually inserted them. The tabs/leaders work for > Paragraph Designs (auto generated by Frame) Heading2TOC through Heading 5TOC. > They do not work for Heading1TOC (the top level). > > The tab mark is there, and I checked to make sure that all of the definitions > in the Paragraph Designer were the same for all (tab position and leader > type). > > I get nice leaders and page # placement for all except the top level. > > Any suggestions? * If a tab character is beyond (to the right of) its corresponding tab stop, it's ignored. Check that your top-level text isn't so long that it's causing this. * Verify that the rightmost tab stop is right aligned. * Verify that the reference page top-level prototype line contains the manually-inserted tab character, that the right-aligned tab stop position falls within the body-page's text-frame width. * Verify that no nearby body- or master-page graphic or text frame has its runaround property ON - this can force the text to the left, which simulates the tab failing. * Regenerate the TOC. I'm out of ideas. Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices > Thanks, > > Brian > -- Original message -- > From: "Peter Gold" >> Hi, Brian: >> >> Turn on View > Text Symbols to verify that there's a tab character to >> the left of the page numbers on the TOC body page, then: >> >> * If there is NO tab character on the TOC body page, on the reference >> page named TOC, if there is no tab character (looks like a greater >> than symbol) to the left of the <$pagenum> building blocks for each >> line that represents an entry level, you need.to manually type a tab >> character at that spot. Then regenerate the TOC - FM creates the tab >> on the body page before the page number by "picking up" the one you >> type on the reference page. >> >> * If there IS a tab character to the left of the page number on the >> TOC body page, then the cause usually comes from the TOC reference >> page's text frame width being wider than the body page's text-frame >> width. If you've position the right-aligned tab stop at the right edge >> of the reference-page's text frame (the wider one), the tab character >> in the text frame on the TOC body page can't reach the tab stop. >> >> HTH >> >> Regards, >> >> Peter Gold >> KnowHow ProServices >> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:52 AM, wrote: >> > I am working with FrameMaker 8 on a Windows XP platform. I have my product >> interface in preferences set to FrameMaker. >> > >> > I have generated a TOC and am trying to set tabs to place the page number >> > out >> near the right edge of the page. I have defined the tab stops, but when I >> hit >> the tab key the insertion point does not move. >> > >> > I have followed the steps laid out in the Help file to the letter and am >> > not >> having success. >> > >> > Can anyone point me in the right direction? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Brian > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Tab issue with FrameMaker 8
I am working with FrameMaker 8 on a Windows XP platform. I have my product interface in preferences set to FrameMaker. I have generated a TOC and am trying to set tabs to place the page number out near the right edge of the page. I have defined the tab stops, but when I hit the tab key the insertion point does not move. I have followed the steps laid out in the Help file to the letter and am not having success. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks, Brian
Tab issue with FrameMaker 8
Hi, Brian: Turn on View > Text Symbols to verify that there's a tab character to the left of the page numbers on the TOC body page, then: * If there is NO tab character on the TOC body page, on the reference page named TOC, if there is no tab character (looks like a greater than symbol) to the left of the <$pagenum> building blocks for each line that represents an entry level, you need.to manually type a tab character at that spot. Then regenerate the TOC - FM creates the tab on the body page before the page number by "picking up" the one you type on the reference page. * If there IS a tab character to the left of the page number on the TOC body page, then the cause usually comes from the TOC reference page's text frame width being wider than the body page's text-frame width. If you've position the right-aligned tab stop at the right edge of the reference-page's text frame (the wider one), the tab character in the text frame on the TOC body page can't reach the tab stop. HTH Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:52 AM, wrote: > I am working with FrameMaker 8 on a Windows XP platform. I have my product > interface in preferences set to FrameMaker. > > I have generated a TOC and am trying to set tabs to place the page number out > near the right edge of the page. I have defined the tab stops, but when I > hit the tab key the insertion point does not move. > > I have followed the steps laid out in the Help file to the letter and am not > having success. > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? > > Thanks, > > Brian
Re: Tab issue with FrameMaker 8
Hi, Brian: Turn on View > Text Symbols to verify that there's a tab character to the left of the page numbers on the TOC body page, then: * If there is NO tab character on the TOC body page, on the reference page named TOC, if there is no tab character (looks like a greater than symbol) to the left of the <$pagenum> building blocks for each line that represents an entry level, you need.to manually type a tab character at that spot. Then regenerate the TOC - FM creates the tab on the body page before the page number by "picking up" the one you type on the reference page. * If there IS a tab character to the left of the page number on the TOC body page, then the cause usually comes from the TOC reference page's text frame width being wider than the body page's text-frame width. If you've position the right-aligned tab stop at the right edge of the reference-page's text frame (the wider one), the tab character in the text frame on the TOC body page can't reach the tab stop. HTH Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:52 AM, wrote: > I am working with FrameMaker 8 on a Windows XP platform. I have my product > interface in preferences set to FrameMaker. > > I have generated a TOC and am trying to set tabs to place the page number out > near the right edge of the page. I have defined the tab stops, but when I > hit the tab key the insertion point does not move. > > I have followed the steps laid out in the Help file to the letter and am not > having success. > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? > > Thanks, > > Brian ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Tab issue with FrameMaker 8
I am working with FrameMaker 8 on a Windows XP platform. I have my product interface in preferences set to FrameMaker. I have generated a TOC and am trying to set tabs to place the page number out near the right edge of the page. I have defined the tab stops, but when I hit the tab key the insertion point does not move. I have followed the steps laid out in the Help file to the letter and am not having success. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks, Brian ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
