Changing a two-column index to one column

[Thomas Scalise]

Esteemed colleagues,

I am using FrameMaker 8p277 on Windows XP.

I am trying to change an index from two columns to one column. I use 
Format/Page Layout/Column Layout and change the column count to 1 and uncheck 
balance the columns. The index changes to one column except for the first page 
which remains in a two-column format. Can anyone suggest what my error is?


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Re: Changing a two-column index to one column

[Böðvar Björgvinsson]

Hi Thomas,

It might be a special master page, something like First or FirstRight. You
might have to open that master page and do the column changes there too.

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  Esteemed colleagues,



 I am using FrameMaker 8p277 on Windows XP.



 I am trying to change an index from two columns to one column. I use
 Format/Page Layout/Column Layout and change the column count to 1 and
 uncheck balance the columns. The index changes to one column except for the
 first page which remains in a two-column format. Can anyone suggest what my
 error is?





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Re: Changing a two-column index to one column

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Hold down the CTRL key and select the frame on that page. Right-click the frame, and then choose Object Properties from the menu. You can change the column settings on the Customize Text Frame dialog box that appears.Nadine--- On Fri, 4/15/11, Thomas Scalise thomas.scal...@crossmatch.com wrote:From: Thomas Scalise thomas.scal...@crossmatch.comSubject: Changing a two-column index to one columnTo: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" framers@lists.frameusers.comDate: Friday, April 15, 2011, 4:21 PM

 
 


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I am using FrameMaker 8p277 on Windows XP. 
  
I am trying to change an index from two columns to one column. I use Format/Page Layout/Column Layout and change the column count to 1 and uncheck balance the columns. The index changes to one column except for the first page which remains
 in a two-column format. Can anyone suggest what my error is? 
  
  

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RE: Changing a two-column index to one column

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Thomas Scalise wrote:
 
 I am using FrameMaker 8p277 on Windows XP.
 
 I am trying to change an index from two columns to one column. I use
 Format/Page Layout/Column Layout and change the column count to 1 and
 uncheck balance the columns. The index changes to one column except for the
 first page which remains in a two-column format. Can anyone suggest what my
 error is?

Go to View  Master Pages and find the custom master page being used by the 
first body page. Select the main flow text frame on that page, right-click, and 
select Object Properties. In the Customize Text Frame dialog box, change the 
Columns setting and click Set. 


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Changing a two-column index to one column

[Thomas Scalise]

Thanks to all the generous colleagues who came to my aid. The problem is solved 
and one more irritant is put away for good. You are the best!


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Changing a two-column index to one column

[Thomas Scalise]

Esteemed colleagues,

I am using FrameMaker 8p277 on Windows XP.

I am trying to change an index from two columns to one column. I use 
Format/Page Layout/Column Layout and change the column count to 1 and uncheck 
balance the columns. The index changes to one column except for the first page 
which remains in a two-column format. Can anyone suggest what my error is?


Tom Scalise
Information Development Manager
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Fax (561) 622-9938
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Changing a two-column index to one column

[Böðvar Björgvinsson]

Hi Thomas,

It might be a special master page, something like First or FirstRight. You
might have to open that master page and do the column changes there too.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Iceland

2011/4/15 Thomas Scalise 

>  Esteemed colleagues,
>
>
>
> I am using FrameMaker 8p277 on Windows XP.
>
>
>
> I am trying to change an index from two columns to one column. I use
> Format/Page Layout/Column Layout and change the column count to 1 and
> uncheck balance the columns. The index changes to one column except for the
> first page which remains in a two-column format. Can anyone suggest what my
> error is?
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom Scalise
>
> Information Development Manager
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> Office (561) 622-5416
>
> Fax (561) 622-9938
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Changing a two-column index to one column

[Writer]

Hold down the CTRL key and select the frame on that page. Right-click the 
frame, and then choose Object Properties from the menu. You can change the 
column settings on the Customize Text Frame dialog box that appears.

Nadine

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Subject: Changing a two-column index to one column
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 4:21 PM







Esteemed colleagues, 
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I am using FrameMaker 8p277 on Windows XP. 
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I am trying to change an index from two columns to one column. I use 
Format/Page Layout/Column Layout and change the column count to 1 and uncheck 
balance the columns. The index changes to one column except for the first page 
which remains
 in a two-column format. Can anyone suggest what my error is? 
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Tom Scalise

Information Development Manager 
Office (561) 622-5416 
Fax (561) 622-9938 
thomas.scalise at crossmatch.com 

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Changing a two-column index to one column

[Combs, Richard]

Thomas Scalise wrote:

> I am using FrameMaker 8p277 on Windows XP.
> 
> I am trying to change an index from two columns to one column. I use
> Format/Page Layout/Column Layout and change the column count to 1 and
> uncheck balance the columns. The index changes to one column except for the
> first page which remains in a two-column format. Can anyone suggest what my
> error is?

Go to View > Master Pages and find the custom master page being used by the 
first body page. Select the main flow text frame on that page, right-click, and 
select Object Properties. In the Customize Text Frame dialog box, change the 
Columns setting and click Set. 


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Changing a two-column index to one column

[Thomas Scalise]

Thanks to all the generous colleagues who came to my aid. The problem is solved 
and one more irritant is put away for good. You are the best!


Tom Scalise
Information Development Manager
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Fax (561) 622-9938
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Two-column index

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi Framers,

I run into this problem regularly (on FrameMaker 7.1):

I have a book consisting of quite a number of documents. Some of these 
documents have an index of their own (for historical reasons... And because 
making a book-wide index wouldn't make any sense).

The text flow in each document is single-column, right/left, with room for 
sideheads. Now when I generate an index, I import it into the document (just 
like a TOC). But naturally I want the index to be two-column...

As far as I can see, there is no way of doing this. I can apply a master page 
on the index heading, but that only covers the page on which the heading is 
situated, not the subsequent pages. I made a script which can reformat the text 
frame from a certain point onwards, but since the document is part of a book, 
adding or deleting pages elsewhere in the book will shift the whole thing - in 
short, it's a nightmare to maintain!

Anybody got an idea?

-Niels
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Re: Two-column index

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Niels,

Does the index need the sidehead area?

Rick

Hi Framers,

I run into this problem regularly (on FrameMaker 7.1):

I have a book consisting of quite a number of documents. Some of these 
documents have an index of their own (for historical reasons... And because 
making a book-wide index wouldn't make any sense).


The text flow in each document is single-column, right/left, with room for 
sideheads. Now when I generate an index, I import it into the document (just 
like a TOC). But naturally I want the index to be two-column...


As far as I can see, there is no way of doing this. I can apply a master 
page on the index heading, but that only covers the page on which the 
heading is situated, not the subsequent pages. I made a script which can 
reformat the text frame from a certain point onwards, but since the document 
is part of a book, adding or deleting pages elsewhere in the book will shift 
the whole thing - in short, it's a nightmare to maintain!


Anybody got an idea?

-Niels
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Re: Two-column index

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Could you put the index in a  separate file, all its own? Then paginate the 
chapter before it to delete empty pages and paginate the index to use next 
available page. Then proceed with the remaining pagination as you normall 
would for this book.
 
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Hi Niels,

Does the index need the sidehead area?

Rick

Hi Framers,

I run into this problem regularly (on FrameMaker 7.1):

I have a book consisting of quite a number of documents. Some of these 
documents have an index of their own (for historical reasons... And because 
making a book-wide index wouldn't make any sense).

The text flow in each document is single-column, right/left, with room for 
sideheads. Now when I generate an index, I import it into the document (just 
like a TOC). But naturally I want the index to be two-column...

As far as I can see, there is no way of doing this. I can apply a master 
page on the index heading, but that only covers the page on which the 
heading is situated, not the subsequent pages. I made a script which can 
reformat the text frame from a certain point onwards, but since the document 
is part of a book, adding or deleting pages elsewhere in the book will shift 
the whole thing - in short, it's a nightmare to maintain!

Anybody got an idea?

-Niels
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Re: Two-column index

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Niels Fanøe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/27/2006 07:55:13 AM:
 As far as I can see, there is no way of doing this. I can apply a 
 master page on the index heading, but that only covers the page on 
 which the heading is situated, not the subsequent pages. I made a 
 script which can reformat the text frame from a certain point 
 onwards, but since the document is part of a book, adding or 
 deleting pages elsewhere in the book will shift the whole thing - in
 short, it's a nightmare to maintain!

Firstly, you can apply master pages to all left and right pages after the 
index heading. The range indicator can be either Single, Span pages, or 
Until changed.

As for Indices that are part of the flow. Ugh.

Chapter page numbering would eliminate the problem. Multiple indices for a 
book that numbers the pages throughout seems bizarre. If the book must be 
page numbered sequentially throughout, I'd be tempted to build the indices 
by script and formed with Xrefs, not generated files with hyperlinks. At 
least then, once generated, changes to pages would be corrected with one 
update.

Other than that, why are you importing the indices? The index files 
should just be included in the master book as well as the individual 
document book files used to generate them. Twice round with the generation 
should ensure that the page numbers are all correct. Just ensure that 
numbering and pagination etc are only updated in the master book and that 
the individual document book files only generate the index files. If the 
indices (or are we really talking about TOCs?) must be incorporated in the 
document files, use text insets.

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Senior Technical Writer

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Re: Two-column index

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At 13:55 +0200 27/9/06, Niels Fanøe wrote:

I have a book consisting of quite a number of documents. Some of these 
documents have an index of their own (for historical reasons... And because 
making a book-wide index wouldn't make any sense).

The text flow in each document is single-column, right/left, with room for 
sideheads. Now when I generate an index, I import it into the document (just 
like a TOC). But naturally I want the index to be two-column...

As far as I can see, there is no way of doing this. I can apply a master page 
on the index heading, but that only covers the page on which the heading is 
situated, not the subsequent pages. I made a script which can reformat the 
text frame from a certain point onwards, but since the document is part of a 
book, adding or deleting pages elsewhere in the book will shift the whole 
thing - in short, it's a nightmare to maintain!

I'm sure you've though of this, but what's the problem with creating a pair of 
left/right master pages, giving the inserted index a unique para tag, then 
mapping the two-column master pages to this tag using the master table mapping 
table on the reference pages? Text inserts do have paragraph tags...

Maybe you tried this and found that it didn't work for some reason?

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Re: Two-column index

[eric . dunn]

Another point to consider. What are the differences between the default 
right/left master pages and the index right/left master pages?

If it is only the number of columns, consider this: have a two column 
layout on the default Left/Right master pages. Then, set all formats in 
the paragraph catalog to be across all columns except for those used to 
build the index.

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RE: Two-column index

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi,
Richard Combs wrote: 
- I'm having trouble imagining what kind of book has chapter- 
- or section-level indexes, but none at the book level. If 
- these sections/parts of the book are so disparate, then why 
- combine them into one book (especially one that's 
- continuously page-numbered, as your later comment suggests)? 
- Is this design really optimal for your readers? It doesn't 
- seem to be optimal for you. :-)

It is a book covering a number of different topics, but all of the topics are 
in the same category. Some of the docs are reference docs (which need an 
index), others are more general in nature (and I won't take the time to index 
them). I keep them in the same book in order to publish them together and to 
make a CHM out of them. 

I could pull out the reference docs, but how would you solve this: two 
programming manuals (A and B) dealing with different aspects of the same thing. 
How should I make a combined index - it would need to say attributes (A):bold 
and attributes (B):bold and so on, otherwise the reader wouldn't know which 
reference applied where. But the manuals should be published together (and 
again, as a CHM) because they are related.

Richard also wrote:

- You're struggling against the essential nature of FM -- why? 
- Use the program the way it's designed to be used -- make the 
- TOC and index separate documents, and your problem goes away. 

I have to give you that my document isn't a textbook example of FM usage. 
However, I can't see that using insets is against the essential nature of FM... 
and who defines that nature anyhow? Should we get rid of scripting, too? And 
all that tweaking that we all have come to rely on - it ain't natural 
either..?

Anyway - I got my problem solved and learned something new (about applying 
master pages) - so I'm happy - orthodox or not! :o)

-Niels

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RE: Two-column index

[Grant Hogarth]

If these are delivered as a single PDF, you could treat them as individual 
books, and then merge them in Acrobat. Not that much more labor, and saves 
having to regen the entire work for a single change.

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Niels Fanøe
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 8:33 AM
To: framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: Two-column index

Hi,
Richard Combs wrote: 
- I'm having trouble imagining what kind of book has chapter- or 
- section-level indexes, but none at the book level. If these 
- sections/parts of the book are so disparate, then why combine them 
- into one book (especially one that's continuously page-numbered, as 
- your later comment suggests)?
- Is this design really optimal for your readers? It doesn't seem to be 
- optimal for you. :-)

It is a book covering a number of different topics, but all of the topics are 
in the same category. Some of the docs are reference docs (which need an 
index), others are more general in nature (and I won't take the time to index 
them). I keep them in the same book in order to publish them together and to 
make a CHM out of them. 

I could pull out the reference docs, but how would you solve this: two 
programming manuals (A and B) dealing with different aspects of the same thing. 
How should I make a combined index - it would need to say attributes (A):bold 
and attributes (B):bold and so on, otherwise the reader wouldn't know which 
reference applied where. But the manuals should be published together (and 
again, as a CHM) because they are related.

Richard also wrote:

- You're struggling against the essential nature of FM -- why? 
- Use the program the way it's designed to be used -- make the TOC and 
- index separate documents, and your problem goes away.

I have to give you that my document isn't a textbook example of FM usage. 
However, I can't see that using insets is against the essential nature of FM... 
and who defines that nature anyhow? Should we get rid of scripting, too? And 
all that tweaking that we all have come to rely on - it ain't natural 
either..?

Anyway - I got my problem solved and learned something new (about applying 
master pages) - so I'm happy - orthodox or not! :o)

-Niels
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Two-column index

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi Framers,

I run into this problem regularly (on FrameMaker 7.1):

I have a book consisting of quite a number of documents. Some of these 
documents have an index of their own (for historical reasons... And because 
making a book-wide index wouldn't make any sense).

The text flow in each document is single-column, right/left, with room for 
sideheads. Now when I generate an index, I import it into the document (just 
like a TOC). But naturally I want the index to be two-column...

As far as I can see, there is no way of doing this. I can apply a master page 
on the index heading, but that only covers the page on which the heading is 
situated, not the subsequent pages. I made a script which can reformat the text 
frame from a certain point onwards, but since the document is part of a book, 
adding or deleting pages elsewhere in the book will shift the whole thing - in 
short, it's a nightmare to maintain!

Anybody got an idea?

-Niels

Two-column index

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Niels,

Does the index need the sidehead area?

Rick

Hi Framers,

I run into this problem regularly (on FrameMaker 7.1):

I have a book consisting of quite a number of documents. Some of these 
documents have an index of their own (for historical reasons... And because 
making a book-wide index wouldn't make any sense).

The text flow in each document is single-column, right/left, with room for 
sideheads. Now when I generate an index, I import it into the document (just 
like a TOC). But naturally I want the index to be two-column...

As far as I can see, there is no way of doing this. I can apply a master 
page on the index heading, but that only covers the page on which the 
heading is situated, not the subsequent pages. I made a script which can 
reformat the text frame from a certain point onwards, but since the document 
is part of a book, adding or deleting pages elsewhere in the book will shift 
the whole thing - in short, it's a nightmare to maintain!

Anybody got an idea?

-Niels
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Two-column index

[ppres...@sbcglobal.net]

Could you put the index in a  separate file, all its own? Then paginate the 
chapter before it to "delete empty pages" and paginate the index to use "next 
available page." Then proceed with the remaining pagination as you normall 
would for this book.

Paula Presley Editorial Services
Editing, Indexing, Typesetting/Composition
820 E. Meadow Ln., Kirksville, MO 63501
660-627-1359 / ppresley at sbcglobal.net 



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To: Niels Fan?e ; framers at FrameUsers.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 7:53:32 AM
Subject: Re: Two-column index


Hi Niels,

Does the index need the sidehead area?

Rick

Hi Framers,

I run into this problem regularly (on FrameMaker 7.1):

I have a book consisting of quite a number of documents. Some of these 
documents have an index of their own (for historical reasons... And because 
making a book-wide index wouldn't make any sense).

The text flow in each document is single-column, right/left, with room for 
sideheads. Now when I generate an index, I import it into the document (just 
like a TOC). But naturally I want the index to be two-column...

As far as I can see, there is no way of doing this. I can apply a master 
page on the index heading, but that only covers the page on which the 
heading is situated, not the subsequent pages. I made a script which can 
reformat the text frame from a certain point onwards, but since the document 
is part of a book, adding or deleting pages elsewhere in the book will shift 
the whole thing - in short, it's a nightmare to maintain!

Anybody got an idea?

-Niels
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[eric.d...@ca.transport.bombardier.com]

Niels Fan?e  wrote on 09/27/2006 07:55:13 AM:
> As far as I can see, there is no way of doing this. I can apply a 
> master page on the index heading, but that only covers the page on 
> which the heading is situated, not the subsequent pages. I made a 
> script which can reformat the text frame from a certain point 
> onwards, but since the document is part of a book, adding or 
> deleting pages elsewhere in the book will shift the whole thing - in
> short, it's a nightmare to maintain!

Firstly, you can apply master pages to all left and right pages after the 
index heading. The range indicator can be either Single, Span pages, or 
Until changed.

As for Indices that are part of the flow. Ugh.

Chapter page numbering would eliminate the problem. Multiple indices for a 
book that numbers the pages throughout seems bizarre. If the book must be 
page numbered sequentially throughout, I'd be tempted to build the indices 
by script and formed with Xrefs, not generated files with hyperlinks. At 
least then, once generated, changes to pages would be corrected with one 
update.

Other than that, why are you "importing" the indices? The index files 
should just be included in the master book as well as the individual 
document book files used to generate them. Twice round with the generation 
should ensure that the page numbers are all correct. Just ensure that 
numbering and pagination etc are only updated in the master book and that 
the individual document book files only generate the index files. If the 
indices (or are we really talking about TOCs?) must be incorporated in the 
document files, use text insets.

Eric L. Dunn
Senior Technical Writer

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[Steve Rickaby]

At 13:55 +0200 27/9/06, Niels Fan?e wrote:

>I have a book consisting of quite a number of documents. Some of these 
>documents have an index of their own (for historical reasons... And because 
>making a book-wide index wouldn't make any sense).
>
>The text flow in each document is single-column, right/left, with room for 
>sideheads. Now when I generate an index, I import it into the document (just 
>like a TOC). But naturally I want the index to be two-column...
>
>As far as I can see, there is no way of doing this. I can apply a master page 
>on the index heading, but that only covers the page on which the heading is 
>situated, not the subsequent pages. I made a script which can reformat the 
>text frame from a certain point onwards, but since the document is part of a 
>book, adding or deleting pages elsewhere in the book will shift the whole 
>thing - in short, it's a nightmare to maintain!

I'm sure you've though of this, but what's the problem with creating a pair of 
left/right master pages, giving the inserted index a unique para tag, then 
mapping the two-column master pages to this tag using the master table mapping 
table on the reference pages? Text inserts do have paragraph tags...

Maybe you tried this and found that it didn't work for some reason?

-- 
Steve

Two-column index

[eric.d...@ca.transport.bombardier.com]

Another point to consider. What are the differences between the default 
right/left master pages and the index right/left master pages?

If it is only the number of columns, consider this: have a two column 
layout on the default Left/Right master pages. Then, set all formats in 
the paragraph catalog to be "across all columns" except for those used to 
build the index.

Eric L. Dunn
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SOLVED: Two-column index

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi, 

Thanks for all the good replies. 

I'd rather not add the index separately in the main book, as I sometimes 
publish the document in a "stand-alone" version, and I like to try to keep my 
books as free from generated files as possible. 

Steve Rickaby's answer did it for me - his comment: "Text inserts do have 
paragraph tags..." made me go Duh! and add "GroupTitlesIX" to the reference 
page for IndexLeft, IndexRight master page application. Now it works fine - 
thanks Steve (and the rest of you)!

-Niels

-> -Original Message-
-> From: framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com 
-> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com]
->  On Behalf Of Niels Fan?e
-> Sent: 27. september 2006 13:55
-> To: framers at FrameUsers.com
-> Subject: Two-column index
-> 
-> Hi Framers,
-> 
-> I run into this problem regularly (on FrameMaker 7.1):
-> 
-> I have a book consisting of quite a number of documents. 
-> Some of these documents have an index of their own (for 
-> historical reasons... And because making a book-wide index 
-> wouldn't make any sense).
-> 
-> The text flow in each document is single-column, right/left, 
-> with room for sideheads. Now when I generate an index, I 
-> import it into the document (just like a TOC). But naturally 
-> I want the index to be two-column...
-> 
-> As far as I can see, there is no way of doing this. I can 
-> apply a master page on the index heading, but that only 
-> covers the page on which the heading is situated, not the 
-> subsequent pages. I made a script which can reformat the 
-> text frame from a certain point onwards, but since the 
-> document is part of a book, adding or deleting pages 
-> elsewhere in the book will shift the whole thing - in short, 
-> it's a nightmare to maintain!
-> 
-> Anybody got an idea?
-> 
-> -Niels
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[Combs, Richard]

Niels Fan?e wrote: 

> I have a book consisting of quite a number of documents. Some 
> of these documents have an index of their own (for historical 
> reasons... And because making a book-wide index wouldn't make 
> any sense).

I'm having trouble imagining what kind of book has chapter- or section-level 
indexes, but none at the book level. If these sections/parts of the book are so 
disparate, then why combine them into one book (especially one that's 
continuously page-numbered, as your later comment suggests)? Is this design 
really optimal for your readers? It doesn't seem to be optimal for you. :-)

> The text flow in each document is single-column, right/left, 
> with room for sideheads. Now when I generate an index, I 
> import it into the document (just like a TOC). But naturally 
> I want the index to be two-column...

You're struggling against the essential nature of FM -- why? Use the program 
the way it's designed to be used -- make the TOC and index separate documents, 
and your problem goes away. 

> As far as I can see, there is no way of doing this. I can 
> apply a master page on the index heading, but that only 
> covers the page on which the heading is situated, not the 
> subsequent pages. I made a script which can reformat the text 
> frame from a certain point onwards, but since the document is 
> part of a book, adding or deleting pages elsewhere in the 
> book will shift the whole thing - in short, it's a nightmare 
> to maintain!

With just a few notable exceptions (footnotes/endnotes?), if maintaining 
something is a nightmare in FM, you should rethink how you're doing it. There's 
almost always a better, simpler way. 

HTH!
Richard


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SOLVED: Two-column index

[Steve Rickaby]

At 16:03 +0200 27/9/06, Niels Fan?e wrote:

>Steve Rickaby's answer did it for me - his comment: "Text inserts do have 
>paragraph tags..." made me go Duh! and add "GroupTitlesIX" to the reference 
>page for IndexLeft, IndexRight master page application. Now it works fine - 
>thanks Steve (and the rest of you)!

Great. I second the 'Ugh' on inserted indexes, though ;-)

In fact, this is an issue I've been wrestling with for months, sort of, except 
that in my case I'm trying to find a reliable and repeatable way of formatting 
multiple source code (ASCII) inserts in a structured document, while at the 
same time fixing the 'extraneous trailing para' text insert bug. Clearly, the 
EDD can control the formatting of the insert... you would think.

Not yet solved: I had a fix that I thought worked, but it's now broken for no 
good reason that I can see, and I've run out of time for template work and have 
to concentrate on getting the book ready for publication. There will be para 
tag format over-rides... :-(

-- 
Steve

Two-column index

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi,
Richard Combs wrote: 
-> I'm having trouble imagining what kind of book has chapter- 
-> or section-level indexes, but none at the book level. If 
-> these sections/parts of the book are so disparate, then why 
-> combine them into one book (especially one that's 
-> continuously page-numbered, as your later comment suggests)? 
-> Is this design really optimal for your readers? It doesn't 
-> seem to be optimal for you. :-)

It is a book covering a number of different topics, but all of the topics are 
in the same category. Some of the docs are reference docs (which need an 
index), others are more general in nature (and I won't take the time to index 
them). I keep them in the same book in order to publish them together and to 
make a CHM out of them. 

I could pull out the reference docs, but how would you solve this: two 
programming manuals (A and B) dealing with different aspects of the same thing. 
How should I make a combined index - it would need to say "attributes (A):bold" 
and "attributes (B):bold" and so on, otherwise the reader wouldn't know which 
reference applied where. But the manuals should be published together (and 
again, as a CHM) because they are related.

Richard also wrote:

-> You're struggling against the essential nature of FM -- why? 
-> Use the program the way it's designed to be used -- make the 
-> TOC and index separate documents, and your problem goes away. 

I have to give you that my document isn't a textbook example of FM usage. 
However, I can't see that using insets is against the essential nature of FM... 
and who defines that nature anyhow? Should we get rid of scripting, too? And 
all that "tweaking" that we all have come to rely on - "it ain't natural" 
either..?

Anyway - I got my problem solved and learned something new (about applying 
master pages) - so I'm happy - orthodox or not! :o)

-Niels

Two-column index

[Grant Hogarth]

If these are delivered as a single PDF, you could treat them as individual 
books, and then merge them in Acrobat. Not that much more labor, and saves 
having to regen the entire work for a single change.

Grant


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[mailto:framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Niels Fan?e
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 8:33 AM
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: Two-column index

Hi,
Richard Combs wrote: 
-> I'm having trouble imagining what kind of book has chapter- or 
-> section-level indexes, but none at the book level. If these 
-> sections/parts of the book are so disparate, then why combine them 
-> into one book (especially one that's continuously page-numbered, as 
-> your later comment suggests)?
-> Is this design really optimal for your readers? It doesn't seem to be 
-> optimal for you. :-)

It is a book covering a number of different topics, but all of the topics are 
in the same category. Some of the docs are reference docs (which need an 
index), others are more general in nature (and I won't take the time to index 
them). I keep them in the same book in order to publish them together and to 
make a CHM out of them. 

I could pull out the reference docs, but how would you solve this: two 
programming manuals (A and B) dealing with different aspects of the same thing. 
How should I make a combined index - it would need to say "attributes (A):bold" 
and "attributes (B):bold" and so on, otherwise the reader wouldn't know which 
reference applied where. But the manuals should be published together (and 
again, as a CHM) because they are related.

Richard also wrote:

-> You're struggling against the essential nature of FM -- why? 
-> Use the program the way it's designed to be used -- make the TOC and 
-> index separate documents, and your problem goes away.

I have to give you that my document isn't a textbook example of FM usage. 
However, I can't see that using insets is against the essential nature of FM... 
and who defines that nature anyhow? Should we get rid of scripting, too? And 
all that "tweaking" that we all have come to rely on - "it ain't natural" 
either..?

Anyway - I got my problem solved and learned something new (about applying 
master pages) - so I'm happy - orthodox or not! :o)

-Niels