Re: searching for straddled cells in Tables

[Waltermeyer, Brenda L.]

Linda,

I use FrameMaker 9. You will find straddled cells on the tool bar at the top 
under Table, seventh option down Straddle.
Hope this helps.

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From: Linda Rose l...@qad.commailto:l...@qad.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:16:38 -0400
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com 
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Subject: searching for straddled cells in Tables

Hi,

Is it possible to search for straddled cells in Tables?

Using FM 9 unstructured.

Thanks,

Linda


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FrameMaker 9 and 4-color printing

[Rick Quatro]

Hello Framers,

I have a client that wants to include 4-color images in a FrameMaker 9 parts
catalog. Their printer wants a PDF four output. What is the deal with CMYK
printing from FrameMaker 9? I know there are some issues, but I don't know
exactly what they are and if there are any workarounds. Any summaries or
links would be appreciated. Thank you very much.

Rick

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Re: FrameMaker 9 and 4-color printing

[Bill Swallow]

I don't know of any specific gotchas but I would review the color prep
documentation carefully before proceeding.

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/9.0/Using/WS3A713448-91C0-44bc-ABE0-C2849D7021D6.html

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 Hello Framers,

 I have a client that wants to include 4-color images in a FrameMaker 9 parts
 catalog. Their printer wants a PDF four output. What is the deal with CMYK
 printing from FrameMaker 9? I know there are some issues, but I don't know
 exactly what they are and if there are any workarounds. Any summaries or
 links would be appreciated. Thank you very much.

 Rick

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Fm9: opening large file takes minutes

[Yves Barbion]

Hi all


Does anyone (Adobe) know why it takes 2 minutes and 52 seconds to open a
700-page Fm file in FramerMaker 9? The Fm file does not contain any
graphics, it's just an alphabetical list of paragraphs (*APL.fm).

Opening the same file in Fm 10 and Fm 8 just takes 1 second.


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Re: nested alpha lists and bulleted lists within numbered lists

[Stuart Rogers]

On 21/06/2011 1:22 PM, Joe Hughes wrote:

I have encountered a numbering issue when I include a nested
alphabetical list within a numbered list. To the best of my knowledge, I
am using the correct numbering and list tags:
Heading 4
n=1.\t  (Numbered1)
n+.\t(Numbered)
a=1.\t  (Numbered2)
a+.\t(Numbered3)
•\t(Bullet3)
•\t
•\t
n+.\t(Numbered)
Output is as follows:

*B. Offsetting Credit Found in _ .*

 1. Send out a cashier’s check. Make sure the case (credit
case) is still open before creating an Official Check.

2. Inside the case notes type the following:

a. Ready to cut check C/W (case number is needed).

b. Check to see if we have a relationship the bank.

  – If there’s a relationship, waive the fees.

  – If not a relationship, contact the bank and informed the
bank of the research fees.

  – The fees can be deducted from the cashier check or the funds
can be sent  for the research.

c. Click *__*.

4. Go into the __ program and enter notes.

This is an unstructured document. As you can see, Frame is reading the
alpha list, or possibly item c., as a 3. in the numbered list, so it
skips from 2. to 4. I've spent about an hour researching this and can't
seem to find anything. Lacking an alternative, I've changed the alpha
list to bullets and moved on. This corrects the problem and the final
numbered item is 3., which is correct. However, there may be situations
in the future in which I may need to use the Numbered - Alpha - Bullet -
Numbered format.
Suggestions anyone?


Hi Joe,

Others have given you the fix, but not necessarily the explanation.

The reason your 3rd step is numbered 4 is that you are using only one 
numbering block and only one numbering series in your tag definitions. 
The fact that you change from n= to a= in the tag definitions 
changes only the *appearance* of the numbering variable; it does not 
refer to, or create, a *second* variable.


So you have a single variable, but both your Numbered1 and your 
Numbered2 tags reset it to a value of one.  Each subsequent tag, whether 
an n+ or an a+ simply increments the same variable, while displaying 
it as a digit or a character.


As you've seen from other replies, the way to create more than one 
variable is either to define more than one numbering series, each with 
its own variable numbering block (Rick Quatro's first suggestion, using 
N: and L: to label the series) or to put several numbering blocks in 
a single numbering series and then control their value and visibility by 
changing what you type within the brackets (Rick's second suggestion).


Note that Rick has also labelled the series N: in his second 
suggestion, although that's not strictly necessary.  It's just good 
practice that helps to prevent inadvertently messing things up if you 
also create figures or tables that should be numbered independently.  So 
you might have N: for the series that numbers content paragraphs, F: 
for numbering figure captions, T: for tables, and so on, all operating 
independently.  Series labels are one-character long and case-sensitive 
(always followed by a colon), so you can create lots of 'em if you need to.


HTH,


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Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Alison Craig]

This is a question for a fellow tech writer who can be reached at karlmeinert 
at hotmail dot com if you want to talk to him directly.

He is running Windows 7 with FM9 p230 (but will be updating his patches 
shortly).


Karl says;

Basically I want to have a graphic spanning a 2-page spread (left page - right 
page) within a chapter. When I tried making a master page 11x17, it applied to 
all master pages. Same when trying to edit a single body page.

I'm not sure how relevant this is but I had to reinstall FM and disable the 
PDF creation install option because it would not work with this system. 


His first e-mail to me also said:

I'm thinking of adding an 11x17 page in my book to display a screenshot with 
many callouts, but i can't figure out how to apply this page formatting to only 
one page. The intent would be to have the page span page 2 and 3 of the 
chapter. Master pages doesn't like the idea much.


If anyone has any suggestions for him (I am anything but a Master Pages 
expert), he would appreciate the help.

Alison





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Re: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[David Spreadbury]

Alison,
Probably the easiest way would be to make a new 11x17 template page, not as 
part of the main book master pages, and just insert the 11x17 page as a 
component of the book, in the appropriate page relation to the main book. As 
long as you don't try and copy page layouts from a normal chapter to the 11x17 
'chapter', or vice versa, you shouldn't have a problem. You might have to tweak 
a few para tags. If you do modify the para tags, you don't what to copy them to 
the main book, or vice versa.

--- On Thu, 6/23/11, Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote:

From: Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
Subject: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 1:43 PM




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This is
a question for a fellow tech writer who can be reached at karlmeinert at 
hotmail
dot com if you want to talk to him directly. 

   

He is running Windows 7 with FM9 p230 (but will be updating his patches
shortly). 

   

   

Karl says; 

   

Basically I want to have a graphic spanning a 2-page
spread (left page - right page) within a chapter. When I tried making a master 
page
11x17, it applied to all master pages. Same when trying to edit a single body 
page.
 

   

I'm not sure how relevant this is but I had to reinstall
FM and disable the PDF creation install option because it would not
work with this system.  

   

   

His first e-mail to me also said: 

   

I'm thinking of adding an 11x17 page in my book
to display a screenshot with many callouts, but i can't figure out how to apply
this page formatting to only one page. The intent would be to have the
page span page 2 and 3 of the chapter. Master pages doesn't like the idea 
much. 

   

   

If anyone has any suggestions for him (I am anything but a Master Pages
expert), he would appreciate the help. 

   

Alison 




 
 
Alison Craig
Lead Technical Writer
 
604-279-8550 x127 | fax 
604-279-8559
Ultrasonix 
Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com 
 
 
 
 




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Re: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Waltermeyer, Brenda L.]

I have FM 9, but never added 11x17 as a master page. When I used 7.2 I always 
made a file called Chapter 2 11x17 and created the master page for it. Once I 
have the file done than I add it to the book and set page numbers so the number 
correctly. All seems to work fine.


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From: Alison Craig 
alison.cr...@ultrasonix.commailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:43:37 -0400
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com 
framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

This is a question for a fellow tech writer who can be reached at karlmeinert 
at hotmail dot com if you want to talk to him directly.

He is running Windows 7 with FM9 p230 (but will be updating his patches 
shortly).


Karl says;

Basically I want to have a graphic spanning a 2-page spread (left page - right 
page) within a chapter. When I tried making a master page 11x17, it applied to 
all master pages. Same when trying to edit a single body page.

I'm not sure how relevant this is but I had to reinstall FM and disable the 
PDF creation install option because it would not work with this system. 


His first e-mail to me also said:

I'm thinking of adding an 11x17 page in my book to display a screenshot with 
many callouts, but i can't figure out how to apply this page formatting to only 
one page. The intent would be to have the page span page 2 and 3 of the 
chapter. Master pages doesn't like the idea much.


If anyone has any suggestions for him (I am anything but a Master Pages 
expert), he would appreciate the help.

Alison





Alison Craig

Lead Technical Writer



604-279-8550 x127 | fax 604-279-8559

Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com



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RE: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Fred Ridder]

I can't think of any easy way to get FrameMaker to do this, because running a 
graphic through the gutter is typically a problematic thing to do. If you're 
delivering a PDF that anyone is ever going to turn into hard copies, they are 
probably going to lose some amount of the graphic because most office printers 
have at least some non-printable margin at some or all edges of the page. A 
real page layout program (e.g., InDesign) would probably let you do this, since 
it's fairly common to have a background image that bleeds through the gutter, 
because in that kind of situation it doesn't really matter if part of the image 
cannot be seen. But a screenshot with callouts can't afford to have a dead area 
down the middle.
 
What *can* be done in FrameMaker is to include a double-width page in the 
book--basically a fold-out. The key distinction here is that it's a single 
oversize page (usually a recto) rather than two facing pages of the standard 
size.
 
-Fred Ridder
 



From: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:43:37 -0700
Subject: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book









This is a question for a fellow tech writer who can be reached at karlmeinert 
at hotmail dot com if you want to talk to him directly.
 
He is running Windows 7 with FM9 p230 (but will be updating his patches 
shortly).
 
 
Karl says;
 
Basically I want to have a graphic spanning a 2-page spread (left page - right 
page) within a chapter. When I tried making a master page 11x17, it applied to 
all master pages. Same when trying to edit a single body page. 
 
I'm not sure how relevant this is but I had to reinstall FM and disable the 
PDF creation install option because it would not work with this system. 
 
 
His first e-mail to me also said:
 
I'm thinking of adding an 11x17 page in my book to display a screenshot with 
many callouts, but i can't figure out how to apply this page formatting to only 
one page. The intent would be to have the page span page 2 and 3 of the 
chapter. Master pages doesn't like the idea much.
 
 
If anyone has any suggestions for him (I am anything but a Master Pages 
expert), he would appreciate the help.
 
Alison

 
 
Alison Craig
Lead Technical Writer
 
604-279-8550 x127 | fax 604-279-8559
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com 
 
 
 

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Re: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Writer]

If Karl is trying to mix page sizes in one file, it cannot be done, as far as I 
know.

Nadine

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From: Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
Subject: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book
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This is
a question for a fellow tech writer who can be reached at karlmeinert at 
hotmail
dot com if you want to talk to him directly. 

   

He is running Windows 7 with FM9 p230 (but will be updating his patches
shortly). 

   

   

Karl says; 

   

Basically I want to have a graphic spanning a 2-page
spread (left page - right page) within a chapter. When I tried making a master 
page
11x17, it applied to all master pages. Same when trying to edit a single body 
page.
 

   

I'm not sure how relevant this is but I had to reinstall
FM and disable the PDF creation install option because it would not
work with this system.  

   

   

His first e-mail to me also said: 

   

I'm thinking of adding an 11x17 page in my book
to display a screenshot with many callouts, but i can't figure out how to apply
this page formatting to only one page. The intent would be to have the
page span page 2 and 3 of the chapter. Master pages doesn't like the idea 
much. 

   

   

If anyone has any suggestions for him (I am anything but a Master Pages
expert), he would appreciate the help. 

   

Alison 




 
 
Alison Craig
Lead Technical Writer
 
604-279-8550 x127 | fax 
604-279-8559
Ultrasonix 
Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com 
 
 
 
 




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RE: Accept and reject changes

[Saurabh Agrawal.]

Hi Anita,

There is a dedicated toolbar for Track Text Edits feature. To view the toolbar, 
go to ViewToolbarsTrack Text Edits.
You may move this toolbar over to the document area to help you easily walk 
through the document.

Regards,
Saurabh

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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Accept and reject changes

I'm using Frame 10, trying out the Track Text Edits feature. It's no problem 
when I make changes, but when it comes time to accept or reject changes, it 
looks like I have to go to the menu bar every time I want to look for the next 
change, then accept or reject it. I don't want to blindly accept all changes. 
Is there a way to keep a dialog box open, like Word does, so I can easily walk 
through the document?

Anita
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BookMover Script used with Framemaker

[Wood, Claire (GE Oil Gas)]

Hi Everyone

 

I'm trialling GolehTek's BookMover and have found an anomaly, just
wondered if anyone else had.

 

For the most part, I find it a powerful tool. However, on the odd
occasion it doesn't pick up a series of pictures which are scattered
elsewhere on the network and not in the same folder structure where the
Framemaker Files reside e.g.

 

Our folder structure is:

 

ANYTOOL Main folder  Manual  Drawings

Under Drawings it could be split into a minimum of 2 subfolders.

 

The Book file I used was in a structure like this but the images were in
a different tool's folder structure. 

 

Have I missed something when setting up the script? Should I have
tweaked it slightly? I've checked the little manual that comes with it
and can't see anything glaring.

 

Claire Wood

Product Development Technical Author, Downhole Technology

GE Oil  Gas

 

DL: +44 (0)1252 862 264

T +44 (0)1252 862 200 (switchboard at Cody Technology Park)

F +44 (0)1252 862 349 (Mainline)

F +44 (0) 1252 862 341 (Mechanical Dept)

F +44 (0) 1252 862 342 (Technology Office)

E claire.w...@ge.com mailto:claire.w...@ge.com 

 

 

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Re: nested alpha lists and bulleted lists within numbered lists

[Roger Shuttleworth]

Hi Joe

What you need to understand is that the   is a placeholder for a number (or 
letter), and n or a simply defines whether it will be a number or a letter. So 
if you have:
n=1 - gives 1
n+ - gives 2
a=1 - gives a
a+ - gives b
a+ - gives c 
n+ - gives 4

Why? Since you have only one placeholder in each paragraph, with no series 
identifier, Frame treats them as a single series, whether you tell it to use 
arabic numbers, letters, roman numerals, or whatever. The first two are 
obvious. In the third one you have reset the number of the sequence back to 1, 
while telling Frame to make it alphabetic. So the next ones carry on from there 
- that is, 2, 3, and 4. The last paragraph therefore is the fourth in the 
sequence, not the third as you expect.

Your mistake is that you think the paragraph format that you apply makes any 
difference. In contrast, it is the number of placeholders in the series that 
makes the difference.

What you should do is this:

Either define two paragraph formats that each use two placeholders,   , and 
control them separately; or, as Rick suggests, use series identifiers to 
distinguish two separate series.

So you could accomplish what you want by doing:

n=1  - gives 1 - apply Numbered1 para format
  n+  - gives 2 - apply Numbered1 para format
   a=1 - gives a and maintains the value of n - apply Numbered2 para format
   a+ - gives b and maintains the value of n - apply Numbered2 para format
   a+ - gives c and maintains the value of n - apply Numbered2 para format
  n+  - gives 3 and maintains the value of a - apply Numbered para format

Or by doing:

N:n=1 - gives 1 - Numbered1 para format
N:n+ - gives 2 - Numbered1 para format
A:a=1 - gives a - Numbered2 para format
A:a+ - gives b - Numbered2 para format
A:a+ - gives c - Numbered2 para format
N:n+ - gives 3 - Numbered para format

Both of these need refining a bit so that a will restart at 1 at the 
appropriate places (when you want to have 4.a instead of 4.d, for example).

I hope this clarifies things for you. I will send you off-list an article 
written some years ago (not by me) that explains autonumbering and the use of 
series and multiple placeholders. Once the penny drops it will all make perfect 
sense.

Roger

Roger Shuttleworth
Technical Documentation
AV-BASE Systems Inc.
1000 Air Ontario Drive, Suite 200
London, Ontario
N5V 3S4
Tel. 519 691-0919 ext. 330
  _  

From: Joe Hughes [mailto:joeh...@gmail.com]
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:22:49 -0400
Subject: nested alpha lists and bulleted lists within numbered lists


I have encountered a numbering issue when I include a nested alphabetical list 
within a numbered list. To the best of my knowledge, I am using the correct 
numbering and list tags:  
   
Heading 4   
n=1.\t  (Numbered1)  
n+.\t(Numbered)  
a=1.\t  (Numbered2)  
a+.\t(Numbered3)  
•\t(Bullet3)  
•\t  
•\t  
n+.\t(Numbered)  
   
Output is as follows:  
   
  

B. Offsetting Credit Found in _ .  

1. Send out a cashier’s check. Make sure the case (credit case) 
is still open before creating an Official Check.  

2.   Inside the case notes type the following:  

   a.Ready to cut check C/W (case number is needed).  

   b.   Check to see if we have a relationship the bank.  

 – If there’s a relationship, waive the fees.  

 – If not a relationship, contact the bank and informed the 
bank of the research fees.  

 – The fees can be deducted from the cashier check or the funds 
can be sent  for the research.  

   c.Click __.  

4.   Go into the __ program and enter notes.  
   
   
This is an unstructured document. As you can see, Frame is reading the alpha 
list, or possibly item c., as a 3. in the numbered list, so it skips from 2. to 
4. I've spent about an hour researching this and can't seem to find anything. 
Lacking an alternative, I've changed the alpha list to bullets and moved on. 
This corrects the problem and the final numbered item is 3., which is correct. 
However, there may be situations in the future in which I may need to use the 
Numbered - Alpha - Bullet - Numbered format.   
   
Suggestions anyone?  
   
Thanks,   
   
Joe  
   
 
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Re: PDF Generation with runfm.exe of OmniSystems Inc.

[Alexandre Mazouz]

Hello,

It's about FrameMaker/Print Document :

Is it possible:

*to set the print page range for all files of a book

*to uncheck Print to File
*to check Generate Acrobate Data

Thanks,
Alexandre
2008/5/7 Alexandre Mazouz alexandre.maz...@gmail.com

 Hello,

 Thanks for your help.

 For the problem :


 runfm Ver. 3.3, Build 003
 
 runfm project pdf doc started: Mon May 05 17:52:01 2008
 
 Opened document:
 D:\consolidation\nr500\fm
 \PartB\Chapter12\PartBChap12Sect04.fm
 Current active document:
 D:\consolidation\nr500\fm\PartB\Chapter12\PartBChap12Sect04.fm
 Making PDF for:
 D:\consolidation\nr500\fm\PartB\Chapter12\PartBChap12Sect04.fm
 PDF file: G:\erules\data\_src\_new\nr500\pdf\n00010002\00120004.pdf
 PDF not found: C:\Documents and Settings\amazouz\Mes
 documents\PartBChap12Sect04.pdf

 The file has unavailable fonts. It's the reason why the runfm can not
 convert.

 For the second problem :

 runfm Ver. 3.3, Build 003
 
 runfm project pdf doc started: Mon May 05 17:30:08 2008
 
 Opened document:
 D:\consolidation\nr500\fm
 \PartB\Chapter11\PartBChap11Sect03.fm
 Current active document:
 D:\consolidation\nr500\fm\PartB\Chapter11\PartBChap11Sect03.fm
 Making PDF for:
 D:\consolidation\nr500\fm\PartB\Chapter11\PartBChap11Sect03.fm
 PDF file: G:\erules\data\_src\_new\nr500\pdf\n00010002\00110003.pdf
 PDF failed: Unknown error. (-27)

 I have created a new  file, copy/past the content of the old in the new,
 and all it seems to work well.

 As you have said, FM that doesn't convert PDF with FrameMaker can not
 convert with runfm.


 Thanks a lot,
 Alexandre

 2008/5/7 Jeremy H. Griffith jer...@omsys.com:

 On Mon, 5 May 2008 17:57:39 +0200, Alexandre Mazouz
 alexandre.maz...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am new User of the command Line runfm.exe (Mif2Go of OmniSystems Inc.).

 ;-)

 I have created a batch file containing a list of runfm to generate PDF.
 but for some files i have problems without solution.
 Look to the messages from the FrameMaker Console Window :
 
 1)
 C:\Documents and Settings\amazouzrunfm -doc
 D:\consolidation\nr500\fm\PartB\Ch
 apter11\PartBChap11Sect03.fm -pdf doc
 G:\erules\data\_src\_new\nr500\pdf\n0001
 0002\00110003.pdf -close doc
 =
 runfm Ver. 3.3, Build 003
 
 runfm project pdf doc started: Mon May 05 17:30:08 2008
 
 Opened document:
 D:\consolidation\nr500\fm\PartB\Chapter11\PartBChap11Sect03.fm
 Current active document:
 D:\consolidation\nr500\fm\PartB\Chapter11\PartBChap11Sect03.fm
 Making PDF for:
 D:\consolidation\nr500\fm\PartB\Chapter11\PartBChap11Sect03.fm
 PDF file: G:\erules\data\_src\_new\nr500\pdf\n00010002\00110003.pdf
 PDF failed: Unknown error. (-27)

 That happened when F_ApiSilentPrintDoc() returned FE_BadOperation,
 which is not documented in the FDK.  Have you tried making the PDF
 for this doc by hand?  If that doesn't work, runfm won't either.
 If it does, runfm *should* work.

 Failure in Frame FDK client: OmniBookExport
 runfm project failed: Mon May 05 17:30:08 2008
 
 Closed document:
 D:\consolidation\nr500\fm\PartB\Chapter11\PartBChap11Sect03.fm
 
 I don't understand???

 The error you got is not one of the two documented for that FDK
 function, so you'll need to do the usual troubleshooting for
 PDF problems.  Sometimes there's a graphic Distiller doesn't
 like.  If you get an error when you make the PDF manually in
 Frame (by printing to the Adobe PDF printer, *not* by SaveAs PDF),
 try cutting the file in half, and see which part still has the
 problem.  Repeat until you identify the exact point of trouble.

 2)
 runfm -doc D:\consolidation\nr500\fm\PartB\Ch
 apter12\PartBChap12Sect04.fm -pdf doc
 G:\erules\data\_src\_new\nr500\pdf\n0001
 0002\00120004.pdf -close doc
 =
 runfm Ver. 3.3, Build 003
 
 runfm project pdf doc started: Mon May 05 17:52:01 2008
 
 Opened document:
 D:\consolidation\nr500\fm\PartB\Chapter12\PartBChap12Sect04.fm
 Current active document:
 D:\consolidation\nr500\fm\PartB\Chapter12\PartBChap12Sect04.fm
 Making PDF for:
 D:\consolidation\nr500\fm\PartB\Chapter12\PartBChap12Sect04.fm
 PDF file: G:\erules\data\_src\_new\nr500\pdf\n00010002\00120004.pdf
 PDF not found: C:\Documents and Settings\amazouz\Mes
 documents\PartBChap12Sect04.pdf

 When Distiller makes the PDF, it always writes it to My Documents
 for the logged-in user (in your case, amazouz\Mes documents).  If
 it fails, we *may* not get an error back from the FDK, but the file
 simply isn't there.  That's what happened here.  When we *do* find
 the file, we move it to the destination you specified.  We do *not*
 depend on the English name for the directory; we get the path from
 Windows for the current session by an API call.

 runfm project completed: Mon May 05 17:53:13 2008
 
 Closed document:
 D:\consolidation\nr500\fm\PartB\Chapter12\PartBChap12Sect04.fm
 
 It appends only for 4 or 5 fm files.All others are well.

 That's good, it means your installation is correct.  The trouble
 is in the failing files themselves (at least, Distiller thinks so).

 I have 

FW: LOF order is Figure 3-2, Figure 3-1, Figure 3-3, Figure 3-4...

[Michalak, Patricia S (APHIS)]

Dear FMers:

I'm working on a book with 17 chapters plus generated TOC, LOF, LOT, and IX, in 
FM 9 and WINDOWS XP. I have two problems in chapter 3 that must be related:

1. The first figure will not start at 3-1. I must use Para Designer to program 
with n=1. That works OK, but...

2. The LOF will not list in the correct order, always starting with Figure 3-2, 
Figure 3-1, Figure 3-3...

This is a new one for me. Any ideas?

Pat

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Re: nested alpha lists and bulleted lists within numbered lists

[Joe Hughes]

Great, thanks!

Joe

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Roger Shuttleworth 
rshuttlewo...@avbasesystems.com wrote:

 **
 Hi Joe

 What you need to understand is that the   is a placeholder for a number
 (or letter), and n or a simply defines whether it will be a number or a
 letter. So if you have:
 n=1 - gives 1
 n+ - gives 2
 a=1 - gives a
 a+ - gives b
 a+ - gives c
 n+ - gives 4

 Why? Since you have only one placeholder in each paragraph, with no series
 identifier, Frame treats them as a single series, whether you tell it to use
 arabic numbers, letters, roman numerals, or whatever. The first two are
 obvious. In the third one you have reset the number of the sequence back to
 1, while telling Frame to make it alphabetic. So the next ones carry on from
 there - that is, 2, 3, and 4. The last paragraph therefore is the fourth in
 the sequence, not the third as you expect.

 Your mistake is that you think the paragraph format that you apply makes
 any difference. In contrast, it is the number of placeholders in the
 series that makes the difference.

 What you should do is this:

 Either define two paragraph formats that each use two placeholders,   ,
 and control them separately; or, as Rick suggests, use series identifiers to
 distinguish two separate series.

 So you could accomplish what you want by doing:

 n=1  - gives 1 - apply Numbered1 para format
 n+  - gives 2 - apply Numbered1 para format
  a=1 - gives a and maintains the value of n - apply Numbered2 para
 format
  a+ - gives b and maintains the value of n - apply Numbered2 para
 format
  a+ - gives c and maintains the value of n - apply Numbered2 para
 format
 n+  - gives 3 and maintains the value of a - apply Numbered para format

 Or by doing:

 N:n=1 - gives 1 - Numbered1 para format
 N:n+ - gives 2 - Numbered1 para format
 A:a=1 - gives a - Numbered2 para format
 A:a+ - gives b - Numbered2 para format
 A:a+ - gives c - Numbered2 para format
 N:n+ - gives 3 - Numbered para format

 Both of these need refining a bit so that a will restart at 1 at the
 appropriate places (when you want to have 4.a instead of 4.d, for example).

 I hope this clarifies things for you. I will send you off-list an article
 written some years ago (not by me) that explains autonumbering and the use
 of series and multiple placeholders. Once the penny drops it will all make
 perfect sense.

 Roger

 Roger Shuttleworth
 Technical Documentation
 AV-BASE Systems Inc.
 1000 Air Ontario Drive, Suite 200
 London, Ontario
 N5V 3S4
 Tel. 519 691-0919 ext. 330

 --
 *From:* Joe Hughes [mailto:joeh...@gmail.com]

 *To:* framers@lists.frameusers.com
 *Sent:* Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:22:49 -0400

 *Subject:* nested alpha lists and bulleted lists within numbered lists

 I have encountered a numbering issue when I include a nested alphabetical
 list within a numbered list. To the best of my knowledge, I am using the
 correct numbering and list tags:

 Heading 4
 n=1.\t  (Numbered1)
 n+.\t(Numbered)
 a=1.\t  (Numbered2)
 a+.\t(Numbered3)
 •\t(Bullet3)
 •\t
 •\t
 n+.\t(Numbered)

 Output is as follows:


 *B. Offsetting Credit Found in _ .*

 1. Send out a cashier’s check. Make sure the case (credit
 case) is still open before creating an Official Check.

 2.   Inside the case notes type the following:

a.Ready to cut check C/W (case number is needed).

b.   Check to see if we have a relationship the bank.

  – If there’s a relationship, waive the fees.

  – If not a relationship, contact the bank and informed
 the bank of the research fees.

  – The fees can be deducted from the cashier check or the
 funds can be sent  for the research.

c.Click *__*.

 4.   Go into the __ program and enter notes.


 This is an unstructured document. As you can see, Frame is reading the
 alpha list, or possibly item c., as a 3. in the numbered list, so it skips
 from 2. to 4. I've spent about an hour researching this and can't seem to
 find anything. Lacking an alternative, I've changed the alpha list to
 bullets and moved on. This corrects the problem and the final numbered item
 is 3., which is correct. However, there may be situations in the future in
 which I may need to use the Numbered - Alpha - Bullet - Numbered format.

 Suggestions anyone?

 Thanks,

 Joe


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 E-mail: joeh...@gmail.com
 http://joehugh.googlepages.com/aboutjoe
 Phone: (205) 956-7339




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Re: Fm9: opening large file takes minutes

[Roman Banks]

Hi Yves,

I suggest you install the latest FM9 patches and see what happens.

HTH,
Roman





From: Yves Barbion yves.barb...@gmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Thu, June 23, 2011 6:07:09 PM
Subject: Fm9: opening large file takes minutes


Hi all

Does anyone (Adobe) know why it takes 2 minutes and 52 seconds to open a 
700-page Fm file in FramerMaker 9? The Fm file does not contain any graphics, 
it's just an alphabetical list of paragraphs (*APL.fm).
Opening the same file in Fm 10 and Fm 8 just takes 1 second.

Thanks


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RE: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Tim Pann]

I asked the same question recently and was told it can’t be done – changing all 
Master Pages to the new page size is the appropriate behavior. The suggested 
workaround was to generate a book and create a new file containing the 
different page size, and modifying page numbering etc. to create continuity 
across the book.

 

If David Spreadbury’s suggestion works then that renders the advice I got 
incorrect.

 

Tim

 

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:44 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

 

This is a question for a fellow tech writer who can be reached at karlmeinert 
at hotmail dot com if you want to talk to him directly.

 

He is running Windows 7 with FM9 p230 (but will be updating his patches 
shortly).

 

 

Karl says;

 

Basically I want to have a graphic spanning a 2-page spread (left page - right 
page) within a chapter. When I tried making a master page 11x17, it applied to 
all master pages. Same when trying to edit a single body page. 

 

I'm not sure how relevant this is but I had to reinstall FM and disable the 
PDF creation install option because it would not work with this system. 

 

 

His first e-mail to me also said:

 

I'm thinking of adding an 11x17 page in my book to display a screenshot with 
many callouts, but i can't figure out how to apply this page formatting to only 
one page. The intent would be to have the page span page 2 and 3 of the 
chapter. Master pages doesn't like the idea much.

 

 

If anyone has any suggestions for him (I am anything but a Master Pages 
expert), he would appreciate the help.

 

Alison

 

 

Alison Craig

Lead Technical Writer

 

604-279-8550 x127 | fax 604-279-8559

Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com 

 

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RE: BookMover Script used with Framemaker

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Have you looked at the late Bruce Foster's Archive plug-in? I think it 
maintains these sort of things better.


From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Wood, Claire (GE Oil 
 Gas)
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:30 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: BookMover Script used with Framemaker

Hi Everyone

I'm trialling GolehTek's BookMover and have found an anomaly, just wondered if 
anyone else had.

For the most part, I find it a powerful tool. However, on the odd occasion it 
doesn't pick up a series of pictures which are scattered elsewhere on the 
network and not in the same folder structure where the Framemaker Files reside 
e.g.

Our folder structure is:

ANYTOOL Main folder  Manual  Drawings
Under Drawings it could be split into a minimum of 2 subfolders.

The Book file I used was in a structure like this but the images were in a 
different tool's folder structure.

Have I missed something when setting up the script? Should I have tweaked it 
slightly? I've checked the little manual that comes with it and can't see 
anything glaring.

Claire Wood
Product Development Technical Author, Downhole Technology
GE Oil  Gas

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E claire.w...@ge.commailto:claire.w...@ge.com


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RE: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Combs, Richard]

Tim Pann wrote: 
 
 I asked the same question recently and was told it can’t be done –
 changing all Master Pages to the new page size is the appropriate
 behavior. The suggested workaround was to generate a book and create a
 new file containing the different page size, and modifying page
 numbering etc. to create continuity across the book.
 
 If David Spreadbury’s suggestion works then that renders the advice I
 got incorrect.

Actually, David's suggestion is exactly the same, merely stated differently. 
The key phrase from his post is insert the 11x17 page as a component of the 
book. A component of a book is a file, so David was trying to say use a 
separate file for the 11x17 page. 

As someone else pointed out, you can't mix page sizes in a file. But you can 
mix page sizes in a book easily enough by using different files for each page 
size. 
 
So it's not that it can't be done, and it's not that you have to resort to a 
workaround. It works as designed; the workaround is the way it's _supposed_ 
to work. Adding a new file to the book and setting its numbering properties is 
trivially easy. 


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Polycom, Inc.
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Re: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Baruch Brodersen]

It actually can be done, that is generating mixed page sizes in the final
PDF directly from FrameMaker.
The basic concept is to make all  master pages 17x11 and use ps text box
code to trim the final output of non-17x11 pages to 8x11. (postscript marker
/cropbox)
You could use that as your inside spread or as a foldout. If you want double
sided pages, then you have to figure out a way to sequence two 8x11 pages on
the  back of your 17x11 insdie spread.

Baruch Brodersen

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Tim Pann tp...@telecomsys.com wrote:

  I asked the same question recently and was told it can’t be done –
 changing all Master Pages to the new page size is the appropriate behavior.
 The suggested workaround was to generate a book and create a new file
 containing the different page size, and modifying page numbering etc. to
 create continuity across the book.

 ** **

 If David Spreadbury’s suggestion works then that renders the advice I got
 incorrect.

 ** **

 Tim

 ** **

 *From:* framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Alison Craig
 *Sent:* Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:44 AM

 *To:* framers@lists.frameusers.com
 *Subject:* Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

 ** **

 This is a question for a fellow tech writer who can be reached at karlmeinert
 at hotmail dot com if you want to talk to him directly.

 ** **

 He is running Windows 7 with FM9 p230 (but will be updating his patches
 shortly).

 ** **

 ** **

 Karl says;

 ** **

 Basically I want to have a graphic spanning a 2-page spread (left page -
 right page) within a chapter. When I tried making a master page 11x17, it
 applied to all master pages. Same when trying to edit a single body page.
 

 ** **

 I'm not sure how relevant this is but I had to reinstall FM and disable the
 PDF creation install option because it would not work with this system.
 

 ** **

 ** **

 His first e-mail to me also said:

 ** **

 I'm thinking of adding an 11x17 page in my book to display a screenshot
 with many callouts, but i can't figure out how to apply this page formatting
 to only one page. The intent would be to have the page span page 2 and 3
 of the chapter. Master pages doesn't like the idea much.

 ** **

 ** **

 If anyone has any suggestions for him (I am anything but a Master Pages
 expert), he would appreciate the help.

 ** **

 Alison

  

  

 *Alison** **Craig*

 Lead Technical Writer

  

 604-279-8550 x127 | fax 604-279-8559

 Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com 

  

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Re: FW: Scientific names in roman not italics in running headers

[David Spreadbury]

Create, if you don't have one, a Character format for the italics. Insert the 
char format in the H/F variable where you want the italics to appear. Add the 
Default font object at point where you go back to normal font characteristics.

For example:

Field Screening Aid for
EmphasisBug OneDefault ¶ Font

Emphasis calls the character tag that applies italics at that point. Default 
Font returns the string to the original font.

If the Chapter Title and Bug One are separate Unstructured variables, insert 
the variables instead of text, e.g.,
$paratext[Chapter Title] Emphasis$paratext[Bug One]Default Font

If Structured, replace the '$paratext' with '$element text' and the appropriate 
element name.




--- On Thu, 6/23/11, Michalak, Patricia S (APHIS) 
patricia.s.micha...@aphis.usda.gov wrote:

From: Michalak, Patricia S (APHIS) patricia.s.micha...@aphis.usda.gov
Subject: FW: Scientific names in roman not italics in running headers
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 8:36 AM



 
 


 

I haven’t had any luck with this one either but I know the answer is out there. 
   
This is the ChapterTitle: Field Screening Aid for
Bug one 
   
In the RunningH/F 1 the scientific name is not italicized, as it should be. 
   
I know how to change the entire 
RunningH/F 1to italics, but not just a portion of it. 
   
Is there a way to do it? 
   
Thanks again, Pat 
   
   

 


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RE: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Combs, Richard]

Tim Pann wrote:
 
 With all due respect, the way it's supposed to work? If Adobe
 gathered 100 Technical Writers together and asked them whether they
 would rather A) be able to create a new Master Page with a different
 page size in the same file; or B) generate a book even if they wouldn't
 otherwise need one and create a separate file dedicated to the
 different page size and then add it to the book and then go about
 setting all of the pagination etc. etc I think the vote would
 indicate how it's supposed to work, and I doubt 'B' would get the
 majority of the votes.

OK, I'll rephrase: it's the way that's consistent with the design philosophy 
behind FM. As I said, this is the way the creators of FM intended it to work. 

If you're correct, that's too bad. Because the people who prefer A don't 
understand FM's book/file paradigm, and they don't realize that putting the 
oversized page in a separate file is at least as easy as -- if not easier than 
-- ensuring that text reflow doesn't mess up their lovely 
mixed-sizes-in-one-file pagination. :-) 

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RE: Scientific names in roman not italics in running headers

[Sharon Burton]

Character formats. Create one that does the italics. Then put it in the
header. The Frame manual used to be good at explaining the specific on this
but I've not see Frame past version 9.

 

 

sharon

 

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michalak,
Patricia S (APHIS)
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:36 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FW: Scientific names in roman not italics in running headers

 

I haven't had any luck with this one either but I know the answer is out
there.

 

This is the ChapterTitle: Field Screening Aid for Bug one

 

In the RunningH/F 1 the scientific name is not italicized, as it should be.

 

I know how to change the entire RunningH/F 1to italics, but not just a
portion of it.

 

Is there a way to do it?

 

Thanks again, Pat

 

 

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SOLVED: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Alison Craig]

Thanks to everyone who contributed.

My friend says he has enough info to deal with his issue.

Alison




Alison Craig
Lead Technical Writer

604-279-8550 x127 | fax 604-279-8559
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-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com]
Sent: June 23, 2011 2:10 PM
To: Tim Pann; Alison Craig; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

Tim Pann wrote:

 I asked the same question recently and was told it can't be done -
 changing all Master Pages to the new page size is the appropriate
 behavior. The suggested workaround was to generate a book and create a
 new file containing the different page size, and modifying page
 numbering etc. to create continuity across the book.

 If David Spreadbury's suggestion works then that renders the advice I
 got incorrect.

Actually, David's suggestion is exactly the same, merely stated differently. 
The key phrase from his post is insert the 11x17 page as a component of the 
book. A component of a book is a file, so David was trying to say use a 
separate file for the 11x17 page.

As someone else pointed out, you can't mix page sizes in a file. But you can 
mix page sizes in a book easily enough by using different files for each page 
size.

So it's not that it can't be done, and it's not that you have to resort to a 
workaround. It works as designed; the workaround is the way it's _supposed_ 
to work. Adding a new file to the book and setting its numbering properties is 
trivially easy.


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Re: FW: LOF order is Figure 3-2, Figure 3-1, Figure 3-3, Figure 3-4...

[Stuart Rogers]

On 23/06/2011 9:35 AM, Michalak, Patricia S (APHIS) wrote:

Dear FMers:

I’m working on a book with 17 chapters plus generated TOC, LOF, LOT, and
IX, in FM 9 and WINDOWS XP. I have two problems in chapter 3 that must
be related:

1. The first figure will not start at 3-1. I must use Para Designer to
program with n=1. That works OK, but...

2. The LOF will not list in the correct order, always starting with
Figure 3-2, Figure 3-1, Figure 3-3...

This is a new one for me. Any ideas?



How are figures and their captions inserted in the document?

It sounds like your first figure and its caption may be in a body text 
frame separate from the main body frame, rather than in an anchored 
frame within the main body frame.  When FM numbers paragraphs or gathers 
the content for a generated file, it starts at the top of the main text 
frame on a page and continues through any additional frames.  So if your 
first figure is in its own text frame, it may be the second body frame 
on the page, even though it *appears* to be first because it's 
physically closer to the top of the page.  You can do a test: see what 
happens if you put your cursor at the end of chapter 2, and press the 
Down arrow repeatedly.  Does the cursor run through the text and 
figures/captions of chapter 3 in the order you expect?


If you want to send a copy of the first few pages of the file up to the 
offending figure, I'll have a look at it for you.


sr

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RE: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[David Spreadbury]

There is a very nice discussion on this very topic at

http://objectmix.com/adobe-framemaker/218597-mixed-page-size-framemaker.html

Mixing page sizes in one template is not the way to go. As Richard points out.

--- On Thu, 6/23/11, Combs, Richard richard.co...@polycom.com wrote:

From: Combs, Richard richard.co...@polycom.com
Subject: RE: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book
To: Tim Pann tp...@telecomsys.com, framers@lists.frameusers.com 
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 4:34 PM

Tim Pann wrote:
 
 With all due respect, the way it's supposed to work? If Adobe
 gathered 100 Technical Writers together and asked them whether they
 would rather A) be able to create a new Master Page with a different
 page size in the same file; or B) generate a book even if they wouldn't
 otherwise need one and create a separate file dedicated to the
 different page size and then add it to the book and then go about
 setting all of the pagination etc. etc I think the vote would
 indicate how it's supposed to work, and I doubt 'B' would get the
 majority of the votes.

OK, I'll rephrase: it's the way that's consistent with the design philosophy 
behind FM. As I said, this is the way the creators of FM intended it to work. 

If you're correct, that's too bad. Because the people who prefer A don't 
understand FM's book/file paradigm, and they don't realize that putting the 
oversized page in a separate file is at least as easy as -- if not easier than 
-- ensuring that text reflow doesn't mess up their lovely 
mixed-sizes-in-one-file pagination. :-) 

Richard G. Combs
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Polycom, Inc.
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Re: FW: LOF order is Figure 3-2, Figure 3-1, Figure 3-3, Figure 3-4...

[David Spreadbury]

I have seen this happen when there are two anchored frames at the same 
location, adjacent to each other.
The problem is that the anchor for Fig 2 is physically before the anchor for 
Fig 1. Move the anchors so that they are in the correct logical order. If using 
unstructured, put a character or work or space between them. What we have done 
is create a new element (working with structured frame) with a 1pt space and 
wrap the second anchor in this element.

I would be will to bet, if I were a betting person, that the figures also 
appear out of order in your cross-reference list. The above will fix both 
issues.

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From: Stuart Rogers srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com
Subject: Re: FW: LOF order is Figure 3-2, Figure 3-1, Figure 3-3, Figure 3-4...
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com, patricia.s.micha...@aphis.usda.gov
Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 5:09 PM

On 23/06/2011 9:35 AM, Michalak, Patricia S (APHIS) wrote:
 Dear FMers:
 
 I’m working on a book with 17 chapters plus generated TOC, LOF, LOT, and
 IX, in FM 9 and WINDOWS XP. I have two problems in chapter 3 that must
 be related:
 
 1. The first figure will not start at 3-1. I must use Para Designer to
 program with n=1. That works OK, but...
 
 2. The LOF will not list in the correct order, always starting with
 Figure 3-2, Figure 3-1, Figure 3-3...
 
 This is a new one for me. Any ideas?
 

How are figures and their captions inserted in the document?

It sounds like your first figure and its caption may be in a body text frame 
separate from the main body frame, rather than in an anchored frame within the 
main body frame.  When FM numbers paragraphs or gathers the content for a 
generated file, it starts at the top of the main text frame on a page and 
continues through any additional frames.  So if your first figure is in its own 
text frame, it may be the second body frame on the page, even though it 
*appears* to be first because it's physically closer to the top of the page.  
You can do a test: see what happens if you put your cursor at the end of 
chapter 2, and press the Down arrow repeatedly.  Does the cursor run through 
the text and figures/captions of chapter 3 in the order you expect?

If you want to send a copy of the first few pages of the file up to the 
offending figure, I'll have a look at it for you.

sr

-- Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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RE: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Tim Pann]

With all due respect, the way it's supposed to work? If Adobe gathered 100 
Technical Writers together and asked them whether they would rather A) be able 
to create a new Master Page with a different page size in the same file; or B) 
generate a book even if they wouldn't otherwise need one and create a separate 
file dedicated to the different page size and then add it to the book and then 
go about setting all of the pagination etc. etc I think the vote would 
indicate how it's supposed to work, and I doubt 'B' would get the majority of 
the votes.

Changing a Master Page size and having it not change all of the other Master 
Page sizes, now THAT would be trivially easy. :)

Tim


 
So it's not that it can't be done, and it's not that you have to resort to a 
workaround. It works as designed; the workaround is the way it's _supposed_ 
to work. Adding a new file to the book and setting its numbering properties is 
trivially easy. 


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Polycom, Inc.
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LOF order is Figure 3-2, Figure 3-1, Figure 3-3, Figure 3-4...

[Cathy Giddens]

Pat, check and see if the figure anchors have got placed together and/or
out of order, you might need smart spaces turned off so you can put
spaces between them to make it easier to see which is which. Happened to
me with table anchors, where I used a tiny Anchored Frame paragraph
style to make the table anchors small, and had a few of them gathered
together - they were out of order even though the tables themselves were
in the right order. 

 

 

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Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:08:36 +

From: Michalak, Patricia S (APHIS)

  patricia.s.micha...@aphis.usda.gov

To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com

Subject: LOF order is Figure 3-2, Figure 3-1, Figure 3-3, Figure

  3-4...

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

 

Dear FMers:

 

I'm working on a book with 17 chapters plus generated TOC, LOF, LOT, and
IX, in FM 9 and WINDOWS XP. I have two problems in chapter 3 that must
be related:

 

1. The first figure will not start at 3-1. I must use Para Designer to
program with n=1. That works OK, but...

 

2. The LOF will not list in the correct order, always starting with
Figure 3-2, Figure 3-1, Figure 3-3...

 

This is a new one for me. Any ideas?

 

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RE: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Tim Pann]

Yes, leave it to me to flaunt my ignorance rather than being the
learning lurker. J I stand corrected.

 

Tim

 

From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 3:25 PM
To: Tim Pann; framers@lists.frameusers.com; RichardCombs
Subject: RE: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

 

There is a very nice discussion on this very topic at

http://objectmix.com/adobe-framemaker/218597-mixed-page-size-framemaker.
html

Mixing page sizes in one template is not the way to go. As Richard
points out.




 


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RE: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Writer]

Meh. It's a good way to learn something new. I do it all the time. Having no 
pride helps. ;-)

Nadine

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lurker. J I stand corrected.  Tim  From: David Spreadbury 
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Subject: RE: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book  There is a very 
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FrameMaker10 update released

[Böðvar Björgvinsson]

Hi Kapil,

I got an automatic suggestion to update the other day, and it just went like
a charm.
However, I think it is great that you take the time to advise the list of
this update.

Thanks.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Iceland

2011/6/22 Kapil Verma 

>  Hi Everyone,
>
> Hope you are well. In case you don?t know me, I am the product manager for
> FrameMaker.
>
> I am pleased to let you know that we recently released a patch on
> FrameMaker10, in which we have fixed several bugs. See below for more
> details on the issues fixed. As part of this patch, we have fixed several
> issues that were reported to us by our users and partners. For obvious
> reasons, it is not possible to list out all the contributors in this short
> note, but I wanted to take this opportunity to thank all those who
> contributed by reporting these issues and helping us improve the stability
> of the product further. In particular, I would like to call out Scott
> Prentice (Leximation) and Franz Kauffman (Systec) for their valuable
> contributions. Please keep providing your valuable feedback in the future as
> well.
>
>  
>
> The patch 10.0.1 can be downloaded from here
> http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22=Windows.
> Also, the readme for the patch is here
> http://download.adobe.com/pub/adobe/framemaker/win/10.x/Adobe_FrameMaker_10_0_1_Readme.pdf
> .
>
>  
>
> *Issues fixed in the update*
>
> 1. ?Print to PDF? command now ask PDF destination even for 64 bit machines.
> 
>
>  
>
> 2. ?Remove Overrides? option is now available in Find/Change dialog box in
> unstructured Framemaker
>
> as well.
>
>  
>
> 3. Duplicate content was generated while saving in ePub format. Now content
> appears only once.
>
> This is relevant for Adobe Technical Communication Suite 3 and Adobe
> FrameMaker Server 10
>
> users.
>
>  
>
> 4. ?Save as RTF? command dropped graphics if the file path had Japanese
> characters or if the
>
> graphic files had dpi more than 300. Now graphics remain in the RTF file as
> expected.
>
>  
>
> 5. ?Save as RTF? command used to introduce some junk characters in Japanese
> version of Frame-
>
> Maker. This has been fixed now.
>
>  
>
> 6. FrameMaker used to crash during ?Save As RTF? command if the
> header/footer of the Frame-
>
> Maker file contains a variable whose variable data has certain type of
> Japanese characters. This
>
> has been fixed now.
>
>  
>
> 7. FrameMaker 10 used to crash on performing spell-check on files having
> unicode quotation
>
> marks i.e. U+2018, U+2019, U+201C, U+201D in user dictionary. This has been
> now fixed.
>
>  
>
> 8. FrameMaker?s performance when dictionary language is changed frequently
> with Auto Spell
>
> Check set to on has been improved.
>
>  
>
> 9. Earlier fonts that contain CJK character sets were not showing correct
> hyphenation for certain
>
> words. This has been fixed now.
>
>  
>
> 10. FrameMaker 10 used to crash on using Ctrl+F4 to close Book files. This
> has been fixed.
>
>  
>
> 11. FrameMaker was unable to save book, containing files with SVG
> reference, to XML. This has
>
> been fixed now.
>
>  
>
> 12. Some ExtendScript API?s in FrameMaker had memory leaks. This has been
> fixed now.
>
>  
>
> 13. ExtendScript?s ?ObjectValid()? function returned false for each table
> when we get a list of tables
>
> using GetText(). This has been fixed now.
>
>  
>
> 14. ExtendScript sample ?BookMIFWash? had some errors. This has been fixed
> now.
>
>  
>
> 15. Extend Script: Structure objects that contains members of type string*
> ***
>
> Extend Script: Structure objects that contains members of type string
> (Attribute, TextItem etc.)
>
> were not returning the value of these members correctly on querying if the
> value contains Unicode
>
> content. This has been fixed now.
>
>  
>
> 16. Whitespaces were not removed correctly in case of inline conrefs. This
> has been fixed now.
>
>  
>
> 17. UNICODETEXT renamed to UNICODE TEXT in ClipboardFormatsPriorities in
> maker.ini to make it
>
> consistent with previous FrameMaker versions.
>
>  
>
> 18. Cross references between different topicrefs of a ditamap were not
> working in the final PDF if
>
> that PDF is produced from the book generated from ditamap. Now cross
> references work fine.
>
>  
>
> 19. While publishing ditamap to Book, converting child ditamap to child
> book has been made configurable.
>
> Child ditamaps now can be published as one compound document or as Child
> Book.
>
> Parameter ?GenerateFlatBook? under the section ?OutputGeneration? can be
> set to 1 in
>
> ditafm.ini for compound doc generation from child ditamaps. Default value
> is 0. When working
>
> via API, another save parameter has been added namely,
> 

searching for straddled cells in Tables

[Waltermeyer, Brenda L.]

Linda,

I use FrameMaker 9. You will find straddled cells on the tool bar at the top 
under Table, seventh option down "Straddle".
Hope this helps.

_
Brenda L. Waltermeyer
Lead Desktop Publisher
National Security Technology Department
[cid:B3FC32F2-EA14-4CA1-BF05-C0222CA61579]
  VIEWS Home Page <http://nstdwww/views/vweb/>
   Room 8-375
   Ext. 88748



From: Linda Rose mailto:l...@qad.com>>
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:16:38 -0400
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>" 
mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>>
Subject: searching for straddled cells in Tables

Hi,

Is it possible to search for straddled cells in Tables?

Using FM 9 unstructured.

Thanks,

Linda


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FrameMaker 9 and 4-color printing

[Rick Quatro]

Hello Framers,

I have a client that wants to include 4-color images in a FrameMaker 9 parts
catalog. Their printer wants a PDF four output. What is the deal with CMYK
printing from FrameMaker 9? I know there are some issues, but I don't know
exactly what they are and if there are any workarounds. Any summaries or
links would be appreciated. Thank you very much.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
rick at frameexpert.com

FrameMaker 9 and 4-color printing

[Bill Swallow]

I don't know of any specific gotchas but I would review the color prep
documentation carefully before proceeding.

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/9.0/Using/WS3A713448-91C0-44bc-ABE0-C2849D7021D6.html

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Rick Quatro  wrote:
> Hello Framers,
>
> I have a client that wants to include 4-color images in a FrameMaker 9 parts
> catalog. Their printer wants a PDF four output. What is the deal with CMYK
> printing from FrameMaker 9? I know there are some issues, but I don't know
> exactly what they are and if there are any workarounds. Any summaries or
> links would be appreciated. Thank you very much.
>
> Rick

-- 
Bill Swallow

Twitter: @techcommdood
Blog: http://techcommdood.com
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood

Fm9: opening large file takes minutes

[Yves Barbion]

Hi all


Does anyone (Adobe) know why it takes 2 minutes and 52 seconds to open a
700-page Fm file in FramerMaker 9? The Fm file does not contain any
graphics, it's just an alphabetical list of paragraphs (*APL.fm).

Opening the same file in Fm 10 and Fm 8 just takes 1 second.


Thanks




-- 
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nested alpha lists and bulleted lists within numbered lists

[Stuart Rogers]

On 21/06/2011 1:22 PM, Joe Hughes wrote:
> I have encountered a numbering issue when I include a nested
> alphabetical list within a numbered list. To the best of my knowledge, I
> am using the correct numbering and list tags:
> Heading 4
> 

Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Alison Craig]

This is a question for a fellow tech writer who can be reached at "karlmeinert 
at hotmail dot com" if you want to talk to him directly.

He is running Windows 7 with FM9 p230 (but will be updating his patches 
shortly).


Karl says;

"Basically I want to have a graphic spanning a 2-page spread (left page - right 
page) within a chapter. When I tried making a master page 11x17, it applied to 
all master pages. Same when trying to edit a single body page.

I'm not sure how relevant this is but I had to reinstall FM and disable the 
"PDF creation" install option because it would not work with this system. "


His first e-mail to me also said:

"I'm thinking of adding an 11x17 page in my book to display a screenshot with 
many callouts, but i can't figure out how to apply this page formatting to only 
one "page". The intent would be to have the page span page 2 and 3 of the 
chapter. Master pages doesn't like the idea much."


If anyone has any suggestions for him (I am anything but a Master Pages 
expert), he would appreciate the help.

Alison





Alison Craig

Lead Technical Writer



604-279-8550 x127 | fax 604-279-8559

Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com



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Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[David Spreadbury]

Alison,
Probably the easiest way would be to make a new 11x17 template page, not as 
part of the main book master pages, and just insert the 11x17 page as a 
component of the book, in the appropriate page relation to the main book. As 
long as you don't try and copy page layouts from a normal chapter to the 11x17 
'chapter', or vice versa, you shouldn't have a problem. You might have to tweak 
a few para tags. If you do modify the para tags, you don't what to copy them to 
the main book, or vice versa.

--- On Thu, 6/23/11, Alison Craig  wrote:

From: Alison Craig <alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com>
Subject: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 1:43 PM




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This is
a question for a fellow tech writer who can be reached at "karlmeinert at 
hotmail
dot com" if you want to talk to him directly. 

 ? 

He is running Windows 7 with FM9 p230 (but will be updating his patches
shortly). 

 ? 

 ? 

Karl says; 

 ? 

"Basically I want to have a graphic spanning a 2-page
spread (left page - right page) within a chapter. When I tried making a master 
page
11x17, it applied to all master pages. Same when trying to edit a single body 
page.


 ? 

I'm not sure how relevant this is but I had to reinstall
FM and disable the "PDF creation" install option because it would not
work with this system. " 

 ? 

 ? 

His first e-mail to me also said: 

 ? 

"I'm thinking of adding an 11x17 page in my book
to display a screenshot with many callouts, but i can't figure out how to apply
this page formatting to only one "page". The intent would be to have the
page span page 2 and 3 of the chapter. Master pages doesn't like the idea 
much." 

 ? 

 ? 

If anyone has any suggestions for him (I am anything but a Master Pages
expert), he would appreciate the help. 

 ? 

Alison 




?
?
Alison?Craig
Lead Technical Writer
?
604-279-8550?x127?| fax 
604-279-8559
Ultrasonix 
Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com 
?

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Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Waltermeyer, Brenda L.]

I have FM 9, but never added 11x17 as a master page. When I used 7.2 I always 
made a file called Chapter 2 11x17 and created the master page for it. Once I 
have the file done than I add it to the book and set page numbers so the number 
correctly. All seems to work fine.


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Lead Desktop Publisher
National Security Technology Department
[cid:278409C7-01EA-46CB-8294-D149EF561FB9]
  VIEWS Home Page <http://nstdwww/views/vweb/>
   Room 8-375
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From: Alison Craig mailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com>>
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:43:37 -0400
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>" 
mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>>
Subject: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

This is a question for a fellow tech writer who can be reached at "karlmeinert 
at hotmail dot com" if you want to talk to him directly.

He is running Windows 7 with FM9 p230 (but will be updating his patches 
shortly).


Karl says;

"Basically I want to have a graphic spanning a 2-page spread (left page - right 
page) within a chapter. When I tried making a master page 11x17, it applied to 
all master pages. Same when trying to edit a single body page.

I'm not sure how relevant this is but I had to reinstall FM and disable the 
"PDF creation" install option because it would not work with this system. "


His first e-mail to me also said:

"I'm thinking of adding an 11x17 page in my book to display a screenshot with 
many callouts, but i can't figure out how to apply this page formatting to only 
one "page". The intent would be to have the page span page 2 and 3 of the 
chapter. Master pages doesn't like the idea much."


If anyone has any suggestions for him (I am anything but a Master Pages 
expert), he would appreciate the help.

Alison





Alison Craig

Lead Technical Writer



604-279-8550 x127 | fax 604-279-8559

Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com



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Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Fred Ridder]

I can't think of any easy way to get FrameMaker to do this, because running a 
graphic through the gutter is typically a problematic thing to do. If you're 
delivering a PDF that anyone is ever going to turn into hard copies, they are 
probably going to lose some amount of the graphic because most office printers 
have at least some non-printable margin at some or all edges of the page. A 
real page layout program (e.g., InDesign) would probably let you do this, since 
it's fairly common to have a background image that bleeds through the gutter, 
because in that kind of situation it doesn't really matter if part of the image 
cannot be seen. But a screenshot with callouts can't afford to have a dead area 
down the middle.

What *can* be done in FrameMaker is to include a double-width page in the 
book--basically a fold-out. The key distinction here is that it's a single 
oversize page (usually a recto) rather than two facing pages of the standard 
size.

-Fred Ridder




From: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:43:37 -0700
Subject: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book









This is a question for a fellow tech writer who can be reached at "karlmeinert 
at hotmail dot com" if you want to talk to him directly.

He is running Windows 7 with FM9 p230 (but will be updating his patches 
shortly).


Karl says;

"Basically I want to have a graphic spanning a 2-page spread (left page - right 
page) within a chapter. When I tried making a master page 11x17, it applied to 
all master pages. Same when trying to edit a single body page. 

I'm not sure how relevant this is but I had to reinstall FM and disable the 
"PDF creation" install option because it would not work with this system. "


His first e-mail to me also said:

"I'm thinking of adding an 11x17 page in my book to display a screenshot with 
many callouts, but i can't figure out how to apply this page formatting to only 
one "page". The intent would be to have the page span page 2 and 3 of the 
chapter. Master pages doesn't like the idea much."


If anyone has any suggestions for him (I am anything but a Master Pages 
expert), he would appreciate the help.

Alison



Alison Craig
Lead Technical Writer

604-279-8550 x127 | fax 604-279-8559
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com 




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Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Writer]

If Karl is trying to mix page sizes in one file, it cannot be done, as far as I 
know.

Nadine

--- On Thu, 6/23/11, Alison Craig  wrote:

From: Alison Craig <alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com>
Subject: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
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This is
a question for a fellow tech writer who can be reached at "karlmeinert at 
hotmail
dot com" if you want to talk to him directly. 

 ? 

He is running Windows 7 with FM9 p230 (but will be updating his patches
shortly). 

 ? 

 ? 

Karl says; 

 ? 

"Basically I want to have a graphic spanning a 2-page
spread (left page - right page) within a chapter. When I tried making a master 
page
11x17, it applied to all master pages. Same when trying to edit a single body 
page.


 ? 

I'm not sure how relevant this is but I had to reinstall
FM and disable the "PDF creation" install option because it would not
work with this system. " 

 ? 

 ? 

His first e-mail to me also said: 

 ? 

"I'm thinking of adding an 11x17 page in my book
to display a screenshot with many callouts, but i can't figure out how to apply
this page formatting to only one "page". The intent would be to have the
page span page 2 and 3 of the chapter. Master pages doesn't like the idea 
much." 

 ? 

 ? 

If anyone has any suggestions for him (I am anything but a Master Pages
expert), he would appreciate the help. 

 ? 

Alison 




?
?
Alison?Craig
Lead Technical Writer
?
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604-279-8559
Ultrasonix 
Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com 
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Accept and reject changes

[Saurabh Agrawal.]

Hi Anita,

There is a dedicated toolbar for Track Text Edits feature. To view the toolbar, 
go to View>Toolbars>Track Text Edits.
You may move this toolbar over to the document area to help you easily walk 
through the document.

Regards,
Saurabh

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Anita Legsdin
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 10:22 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Accept and reject changes

I'm using Frame 10, trying out the Track Text Edits feature. It's no problem 
when I make changes, but when it comes time to accept or reject changes, it 
looks like I have to go to the menu bar every time I want to look for the next 
change, then accept or reject it. I don't want to blindly accept all changes. 
Is there a way to keep a dialog box open, like Word does, so I can easily walk 
through the document?

Anita
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BookMover Script used with Framemaker

[Wood, Claire (GE Oil & Gas)]

Hi Everyone



I'm trialling GolehTek's BookMover and have found an anomaly, just
wondered if anyone else had.



For the most part, I find it a powerful tool. However, on the odd
occasion it doesn't pick up a series of pictures which are scattered
elsewhere on the network and not in the same folder structure where the
Framemaker Files reside e.g.



Our folder structure is:



ANYTOOL Main folder > Manual > Drawings

Under Drawings it could be split into a minimum of 2 subfolders.



The Book file I used was in a structure like this but the images were in
a different tool's folder structure. 



Have I missed something when setting up the script? Should I have
tweaked it slightly? I've checked the little manual that comes with it
and can't see anything glaring.



Claire Wood

Product Development Technical Author, Downhole Technology

GE Oil & Gas



DL: +44 (0)1252 862 264

T +44 (0)1252 862 200 (switchboard at Cody Technology Park)

F +44 (0)1252 862 349 (Mainline)

F +44 (0) 1252 862 341 (Mechanical Dept)

F +44 (0) 1252 862 342 (Technology Office)

E claire.wood at ge.com <mailto:claire.wood at ge.com> 





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PDF Generation with runfm.exe of OmniSystems Inc.

[Alexandre Mazouz]

pter12\PartBChap12Sect04.fm
>> >Making PDF for:
>> >D:\consolidation\nr500\fm\PartB\Chapter12\PartBChap12Sect04.fm
>> >PDF file: G:\erules\data\_src\_new\nr500\pdf\n00010002\00120004.pdf
>> >PDF not found: C:\Documents and Settings\amazouz\Mes
>> >documents\PartBChap12Sect04.pdf
>>
>> When Distiller makes the PDF, it always writes it to "My Documents"
>> for the logged-in user (in your case, "amazouz\Mes documents").  If
>> it fails, we *may* not get an error back from the FDK, but the file
>> simply isn't there.  That's what happened here.  When we *do* find
>> the file, we move it to the destination you specified.  We do *not*
>> depend on the English name for the directory; we get the path from
>> Windows for the current session by an API call.
>>
>> >runfm project completed: Mon May 05 17:53:13 2008
>> >
>> >Closed document:
>> >D:\consolidation\nr500\fm\PartB\Chapter12\PartBChap12Sect04.fm
>> >
>> >It appends only for 4 or 5 fm files.All others are well.
>>
>> That's good, it means your installation is correct.  The trouble
>> is in the failing files themselves (at least, Distiller thinks so).
>>
>> >I have carefully check my Distiller and Adobe PDF, it seems okay.
>> >
>> >Have you any idea?
>>
>> It's a good idea, when using runfm, to start by doing the same
>> operation you want to automate from within FrameMaker, by hand.
>> Watch for errors.  If it doesn't work that way, runfm won't
>> work either.
>>
>> You can also tell runfm to write even more diagnostics by adding:
>>  -diag
>> to your command line, and you can save the messages to a file:
>>  -log logfile.txt
>> New messages are appended to the file, so you can use the same
>> file for many sessions.  If you specify -log with no name, we
>> use mif2go.log in the current directory.
>>
>> HTH!
>> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
>>http://www.omsys.com/
>>
>
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nested alpha lists and bulleted lists within numbered lists

[Roger Shuttleworth]

Hi Joe

What you need to understand is that the < > is a placeholder for a number (or 
letter), and n or a simply defines whether it will be a number or a letter. So 
if you have:

FW: LOF order is Figure 3-2, Figure 3-1, Figure 3-3, Figure 3-4...

[Michalak, Patricia S (APHIS)]

Dear FMers:

I'm working on a book with 17 chapters plus generated TOC, LOF, LOT, and IX, in 
FM 9 and WINDOWS XP. I have two problems in chapter 3 that must be related:

1. The first figure will not start at 3-1. I must use Para Designer to program 
with 

FW: Scientific names in roman not italics in running headers

[Michalak, Patricia S (APHIS)]

I haven't had any luck with this one either but I know the answer is out there.

This is the ChapterTitle: Field Screening Aid for Bug one

In the RunningH/F 1 the scientific name is not italicized, as it should be.

I know how to change the entire RunningH/F 1to italics, but not just a portion 
of it.

Is there a way to do it?

Thanks again, Pat


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nested alpha lists and bulleted lists within numbered lists

[Joe Hughes]

Great, thanks!

Joe

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Roger Shuttleworth <
rshuttleworth at avbasesystems.com> wrote:

> **
> Hi Joe
>
> What you need to understand is that the < > is a placeholder for a number
> (or letter), and n or a simply defines whether it will be a number or a
> letter. So if you have:
> 

Fm9: opening large file takes minutes

[Roman Banks]

Hi Yves,

I suggest you install the latest?FM9 patches?and see what happens.

HTH,
Roman





From: Yves Barbion <yves.barb...@gmail.com>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Thu, June 23, 2011 6:07:09 PM
Subject: Fm9: opening large file takes minutes


Hi all

Does anyone (Adobe) know why it takes 2 minutes and 52 seconds to open a 
700-page Fm file in FramerMaker 9? The Fm file does not contain any graphics, 
it's just an alphabetical list of paragraphs (*APL.fm).
Opening the same file in Fm 10 and Fm 8 just takes 1 second.

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Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Tim Pann]

I asked the same question recently and was told it can?t be done ? changing all 
Master Pages to the new page size is the appropriate behavior. The suggested 
workaround was to generate a book and create a new file containing the 
different page size, and modifying page numbering etc. to create continuity 
across the book.



If David Spreadbury?s suggestion works then that renders the advice I got 
incorrect.



Tim



From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:44 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book



This is a question for a fellow tech writer who can be reached at "karlmeinert 
at hotmail dot com" if you want to talk to him directly.



He is running Windows 7 with FM9 p230 (but will be updating his patches 
shortly).





Karl says;



"Basically I want to have a graphic spanning a 2-page spread (left page - right 
page) within a chapter. When I tried making a master page 11x17, it applied to 
all master pages. Same when trying to edit a single body page. 



I'm not sure how relevant this is but I had to reinstall FM and disable the 
"PDF creation" install option because it would not work with this system. "





His first e-mail to me also said:



"I'm thinking of adding an 11x17 page in my book to display a screenshot with 
many callouts, but i can't figure out how to apply this page formatting to only 
one "page". The intent would be to have the page span page 2 and 3 of the 
chapter. Master pages doesn't like the idea much."





If anyone has any suggestions for him (I am anything but a Master Pages 
expert), he would appreciate the help.



Alison





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Lead Technical Writer



604-279-8550 x127 | fax 604-279-8559

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BookMover Script used with Framemaker

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Have you looked at the late Bruce Foster's Archive plug-in? I think it 
maintains these sort of things better.


From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Wood, Claire (GE Oil 
& Gas)
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:30 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: BookMover Script used with Framemaker

Hi Everyone

I'm trialling GolehTek's BookMover and have found an anomaly, just wondered if 
anyone else had.

For the most part, I find it a powerful tool. However, on the odd occasion it 
doesn't pick up a series of pictures which are scattered elsewhere on the 
network and not in the same folder structure where the Framemaker Files reside 
e.g.

Our folder structure is:

ANYTOOL Main folder > Manual > Drawings
Under Drawings it could be split into a minimum of 2 subfolders.

The Book file I used was in a structure like this but the images were in a 
different tool's folder structure.

Have I missed something when setting up the script? Should I have tweaked it 
slightly? I've checked the little manual that comes with it and can't see 
anything glaring.

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Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Combs, Richard]

Tim Pann wrote: 

> I asked the same question recently and was told it can?t be done ?
> changing all Master Pages to the new page size is the appropriate
> behavior. The suggested workaround was to generate a book and create a
> new file containing the different page size, and modifying page
> numbering etc. to create continuity across the book.
> 
> If David Spreadbury?s suggestion works then that renders the advice I
> got incorrect.

Actually, David's suggestion is exactly the same, merely stated differently. 
The key phrase from his post is "insert the 11x17 page as a component of the 
book." A component of a book is a file, so David was trying to say use a 
separate file for the 11x17 page. 

As someone else pointed out, you can't mix page sizes in a file. But you can 
mix page sizes in a book easily enough by using different files for each page 
size. 

So it's not that it can't be done, and it's not that you have to resort to a 
"workaround." It works as designed; the "workaround" is the way it's _supposed_ 
to work. Adding a new file to the book and setting its numbering properties is 
trivially easy. 


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Baruch Brodersen]

It actually can be done, that is generating mixed page sizes in the final
PDF directly from FrameMaker.
The basic concept is to make all  master pages 17x11 and use ps text box
code to trim the final output of non-17x11 pages to 8x11. (postscript marker
/cropbox)
You could use that as your inside spread or as a foldout. If you want double
sided pages, then you have to figure out a way to sequence two 8x11 pages on
the  back of your 17x11 insdie spread.

Baruch Brodersen

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Tim Pann  wrote:

>  I asked the same question recently and was told it can?t be done ?
> changing all Master Pages to the new page size is the appropriate behavior.
> The suggested workaround was to generate a book and create a new file
> containing the different page size, and modifying page numbering etc. to
> create continuity across the book.
>
> ** **
>
> If David Spreadbury?s suggestion works then that renders the advice I got
> incorrect.
>
> ** **
>
> Tim
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
> framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Alison Craig
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:44 AM
>
> *To:* framers at lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book
>
> ** **
>
> This is a question for a fellow tech writer who can be reached at "karlmeinert
> at hotmail dot com" if you want to talk to him directly.
>
> ** **
>
> He is running Windows 7 with FM9 p230 (but will be updating his patches
> shortly).
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Karl says;
>
> ** **
>
> "Basically I want to have a graphic spanning a 2-page spread (left page -
> right page) within a chapter. When I tried making a master page 11x17, it
> applied to all master pages. Same when trying to edit a single body page.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> I'm not sure how relevant this is but I had to reinstall FM and disable the
> "PDF creation" install option because it would not work with this system."
> 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> His first e-mail to me also said:
>
> ** **
>
> "I'm thinking of adding an 11x17 page in my book to display a screenshot
> with many callouts, but i can't figure out how to apply this page formatting
> to only one "page". The intent would be to have the page span page 2 and 3
> of the chapter. Master pages doesn't like the idea much."
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> If anyone has any suggestions for him (I am anything but a Master Pages
> expert), he would appreciate the help.
>
> ** **
>
> Alison
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *Alison** **Craig*
>
> Lead Technical Writer
>
>  
>
> 604-279-8550 x127 | fax 604-279-8559
>
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FW: Scientific names in roman not italics in running headers

[David Spreadbury]

Create, if you don't have one, a Character format for the italics. Insert the 
char format in the H/F variable where you want the italics to appear. Add the 
Default font object at point where you go back to normal font characteristics.

For example:

Field Screening Aid for
Bug One

 calls the character tag that applies italics at that point.  returns the string to the original font.

If the Chapter Title and Bug One are separate Unstructured variables, insert 
the variables instead of text, e.g.,
<$paratext[Chapter Title]> <$paratext[Bug One]>

If Structured, replace the '$paratext' with '$element text' and the appropriate 
element name.




--- On Thu, 6/23/11, Michalak, Patricia S (APHIS)  wrote:

From: Michalak, Patricia S (APHIS) <patricia.s.micha...@aphis.usda.gov>
Subject: FW: Scientific names in roman not italics in running headers
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 8:36 AM









I haven?t had any luck with this one either but I know the answer is out there. 
 ? 
This is the ChapterTitle: Field Screening Aid for
Bug one 
 ? 
In the RunningH/F 1 the scientific name is not italicized, as it should be. 
 ? 
I know how to change the entire 
RunningH/F 1to italics, but not just a portion of it. 
 ? 
Is there a way to do it? 
 ? 
Thanks again, Pat 
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Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Combs, Richard]

Tim Pann wrote:

> With all due respect, "the way it's supposed to work"? If Adobe
> gathered 100 Technical Writers together and asked them whether they
> would rather A) be able to create a new Master Page with a different
> page size in the same file; or B) generate a book even if they wouldn't
> otherwise need one and create a separate file dedicated to the
> different page size and then add it to the book and then go about
> setting all of the pagination etc. etc I think the vote would
> indicate how it's "supposed" to work, and I doubt 'B' would get the
> majority of the votes.

OK, I'll rephrase: it's the way that's consistent with the design philosophy 
behind FM. As I said, this is the way the creators of FM intended it to work. 

If you're correct, that's too bad. Because the people who prefer A don't 
understand FM's book/file paradigm, and they don't realize that putting the 
oversized page in a separate file is at least as easy as -- if not easier than 
-- ensuring that text reflow doesn't mess up their lovely 
mixed-sizes-in-one-file pagination. :-) 

Richard G. Combs
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Polycom, Inc.
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Scientific names in roman not italics in running headers

[Sharon Burton]

Character formats. Create one that does the italics. Then put it in the
header. The Frame manual used to be good at explaining the specific on this
but I've not see Frame past version 9.





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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michalak,
Patricia S (APHIS)
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:36 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FW: Scientific names in roman not italics in running headers



I haven't had any luck with this one either but I know the answer is out
there.



This is the ChapterTitle: Field Screening Aid for Bug one



In the RunningH/F 1 the scientific name is not italicized, as it should be.



I know how to change the entire RunningH/F 1to italics, but not just a
portion of it.



Is there a way to do it?



Thanks again, Pat





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SOLVED: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Alison Craig]

Thanks to everyone who contributed.

My friend says he has enough info to deal with his issue.

Alison




Alison Craig
Lead Technical Writer

604-279-8550 x127 | fax 604-279-8559
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com]
Sent: June 23, 2011 2:10 PM
To: Tim Pann; Alison Craig; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

Tim Pann wrote:

> I asked the same question recently and was told it can't be done -
> changing all Master Pages to the new page size is the appropriate
> behavior. The suggested workaround was to generate a book and create a
> new file containing the different page size, and modifying page
> numbering etc. to create continuity across the book.
>
> If David Spreadbury's suggestion works then that renders the advice I
> got incorrect.

Actually, David's suggestion is exactly the same, merely stated differently. 
The key phrase from his post is "insert the 11x17 page as a component of the 
book." A component of a book is a file, so David was trying to say use a 
separate file for the 11x17 page.

As someone else pointed out, you can't mix page sizes in a file. But you can 
mix page sizes in a book easily enough by using different files for each page 
size.

So it's not that it can't be done, and it's not that you have to resort to a 
"workaround." It works as designed; the "workaround" is the way it's _supposed_ 
to work. Adding a new file to the book and setting its numbering properties is 
trivially easy.


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
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FW: LOF order is Figure 3-2, Figure 3-1, Figure 3-3, Figure 3-4...

[Stuart Rogers]

On 23/06/2011 9:35 AM, Michalak, Patricia S (APHIS) wrote:
> Dear FMers:
>
> I?m working on a book with 17 chapters plus generated TOC, LOF, LOT, and
> IX, in FM 9 and WINDOWS XP. I have two problems in chapter 3 that must
> be related:
>
> 1. The first figure will not start at 3-1. I must use Para Designer to
> program with 

Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[David Spreadbury]

There is a very nice discussion on this very topic at

http://objectmix.com/adobe-framemaker/218597-mixed-page-size-framemaker.html

Mixing page sizes in one template is not the way to go. As Richard points out.

--- On Thu, 6/23/11, Combs, Richard  wrote:

From: Combs, Richard <richard.co...@polycom.com>
Subject: RE: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book
To: "Tim Pann" , "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 

Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 4:34 PM

Tim Pann wrote:

> With all due respect, "the way it's supposed to work"? If Adobe
> gathered 100 Technical Writers together and asked them whether they
> would rather A) be able to create a new Master Page with a different
> page size in the same file; or B) generate a book even if they wouldn't
> otherwise need one and create a separate file dedicated to the
> different page size and then add it to the book and then go about
> setting all of the pagination etc. etc I think the vote would
> indicate how it's "supposed" to work, and I doubt 'B' would get the
> majority of the votes.

OK, I'll rephrase: it's the way that's consistent with the design philosophy 
behind FM. As I said, this is the way the creators of FM intended it to work. 

If you're correct, that's too bad. Because the people who prefer A don't 
understand FM's book/file paradigm, and they don't realize that putting the 
oversized page in a separate file is at least as easy as -- if not easier than 
-- ensuring that text reflow doesn't mess up their lovely 
mixed-sizes-in-one-file pagination. :-) 

Richard G. Combs
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FW: LOF order is Figure 3-2, Figure 3-1, Figure 3-3, Figure 3-4...

[David Spreadbury]

I have seen this happen when there are two anchored frames at the same 
location, adjacent to each other.
The problem is that the anchor for Fig 2 is physically before the anchor for 
Fig 1. Move the anchors so that they are in the correct logical order. If using 
unstructured, put a character or work or space between them. What we have done 
is create a new element (working with structured frame) with a 1pt space and 
wrap the second anchor in this element.

I would be will to bet, if I were a betting person, that the figures also 
appear out of order in your cross-reference list. The above will fix both 
issues.

--- On Thu, 6/23/11, Stuart Rogers  wrote:

From: Stuart Rogers 
Subject: Re: FW: LOF order is Figure 3-2, Figure 3-1, Figure 3-3, Figure 3-4...
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com, Patricia.S.Michalak at aphis.usda.gov
Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 5:09 PM

On 23/06/2011 9:35 AM, Michalak, Patricia S (APHIS) wrote:
> Dear FMers:
> 
> I?m working on a book with 17 chapters plus generated TOC, LOF, LOT, and
> IX, in FM 9 and WINDOWS XP. I have two problems in chapter 3 that must
> be related:
> 
> 1. The first figure will not start at 3-1. I must use Para Designer to
> program with 

Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Tim Pann]

With all due respect, "the way it's supposed to work"? If Adobe gathered 100 
Technical Writers together and asked them whether they would rather A) be able 
to create a new Master Page with a different page size in the same file; or B) 
generate a book even if they wouldn't otherwise need one and create a separate 
file dedicated to the different page size and then add it to the book and then 
go about setting all of the pagination etc. etc I think the vote would 
indicate how it's "supposed" to work, and I doubt 'B' would get the majority of 
the votes.

Changing a Master Page size and having it not change all of the other Master 
Page sizes, now THAT would be trivially easy. :)

Tim



So it's not that it can't be done, and it's not that you have to resort to a 
"workaround." It works as designed; the "workaround" is the way it's _supposed_ 
to work. Adding a new file to the book and setting its numbering properties is 
trivially easy. 


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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303-223-5111
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Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Tim Pann]

Yes, leave it to me to flaunt my ignorance rather than being the
learning lurker. J I stand corrected.



Tim



From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 3:25 PM
To: Tim Pann; framers at lists.frameusers.com; RichardCombs
Subject: RE: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book



There is a very nice discussion on this very topic at

http://objectmix.com/adobe-framemaker/218597-mixed-page-size-framemaker.
html

Mixing page sizes in one template is not the way to go. As Richard
points out.







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Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book

[Writer]

Meh. It's a good way to learn something new. I do it all the time. Having no 
pride helps. ;-)

Nadine

--- On Thu, 6/23/11, Tim Pann  wrote:

From: Tim Pann <tp...@telecomsys.com>
Subject: RE: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book
To: "David Spreadbury" , framers at lists.frameusers.com
Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 6:28 PM

Yes, leave it to me to flaunt my ignorance rather than being the learning 
lurker. J I stand corrected. ?Tim ?From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspreadb at 
yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 3:25 PM
To: Tim Pann; framers at lists.frameusers.com; RichardCombs
Subject: RE: Adding 11x17 Master Page into a file in a book ?There is a very 
nice discussion on this very topic at

http://objectmix.com/adobe-framemaker/218597-mixed-page-size-framemaker.html

Mixing page sizes in one template is not the way to go. As Richard points out.


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