Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation

[Fred Smith]

It all starts with your original footage. DO NOT SKIMP ON IT!!! Get the best 
images you can. Use the finist grain film you can.

If you plan on using black screen for your mattes, I would suggest using the 
alternate frontlit/backlit system, where you shoot one frame lit normally, 
then the next frame (without moving anything or changing the camera 
settings) backlit to provide the black matte, then get the roll skip 
printed; Frame 1 on roll A, Frame 2 on roll B, Frame 3 on roll A, etc. 
(Bluescreen was invented so mattes could be made without this step and cut 
out one generation print). You gain a generation, but the mattes are much 
more accurate.

My $0.02.

- Original Message - 
From: ben.weinst...@mindspring.com
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:04 AM
Subject: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping 
Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation


 Hey just wanted to get some advice for doing some very complicated special 
 FX on 16mm film.  I am going to be making a space pirates claymation film 
 in the near future and I want to do some very complicated optical printing 
 and rotoscoping FX shots.  I know that CRI film stock no longer exists but 
 i am going to be filming model spaceships in front of a black or 
 bluescreen and I want to know what is the best way to go about this 
 without getting any generation loss on my film. 

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Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation

[graeme hogg]

Yeah, the computers that control Optical Printers, they're pretty gay 
aren't they.



 Ben

 Sounds like a very interesting project and I commend you for working on 
 16mm but curious what's gay about using a computer? Sounds like 
 something quite negative since its something you refuse to do?

 I've just never heard someone refer to using computers as gay.

 I personally love 16mm and have made several films in that format. I can 
 also see why computers can be so detesting to celluloid lovers but have 
 a hard time understanding why that term was used.

 It would sound pretty bad if someone said I refuse to do this on a 
 computer because that's so girly or sissy or that's so black. That 
 would sound pretty sexist or racist, no?

 I just wanted to leave you with some food for thought.

 Sonali

 On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:04 AM, ben.weinst...@mindspring.com wrote:

 Hey just wanted to get some advice for doing some very complicated 
 special FX on 16mm film.  I am going to be making a space pirates 
 claymation film in the near future and I want to do some very 
 complicated optical printing and rotoscoping FX shots.  I know that CRI 
 film stock no longer exists but i am going to be filming model 
 spaceships in front of a black or bluescreen and I want to know what is 
 the best way to go about this without getting any generation loss on my 
 film.  I will have to combine many layers of film on an optical printer 
 and then I will also have to rotoscope in lazer beams and stuff like 
 that so how would I go about that without making my FX shots look super 
 grainy?  I refuse to do this on a computer because thats gay so any 
 advice would be much appreciated.  I think i will be doin this all in 
 the bay area so anyone who wants to help out should do so because its 
 going to take a lot of work and I think it could be really sick if we 
 do it right.  If none of this is possible then I am going to quit 
 filmmaking and cut my lines so tell me what I got to do so I can make 
 this movie great.
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Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation

[ben . weinstein]

I appreciate that.  Sorry been shotgunning a lot of beers.


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From: graeme hogg graemeh...@irational.org
Sent: Aug 22, 2012 9:00 AM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping 
Wizards NEEDED for space pirates  claymation



Yeah, the computers that control Optical Printers, they're pretty gay 
aren't they.



 Ben

 Sounds like a very interesting project and I commend you for working on 
 16mm but curious what's gay about using a computer? Sounds like 
 something quite negative since its something you refuse to do?

 I've just never heard someone refer to using computers as gay.

 I personally love 16mm and have made several films in that format. I can 
 also see why computers can be so detesting to celluloid lovers but have 
 a hard time understanding why that term was used.

 It would sound pretty bad if someone said I refuse to do this on a 
 computer because that's so girly or sissy or that's so black. That 
 would sound pretty sexist or racist, no?

 I just wanted to leave you with some food for thought.

 Sonali

 On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:04 AM, ben.weinst...@mindspring.com wrote:

 Hey just wanted to get some advice for doing some very complicated 
 special FX on 16mm film.  I am going to be making a space pirates 
 claymation film in the near future and I want to do some very 
 complicated optical printing and rotoscoping FX shots.  I know that CRI 
 film stock no longer exists but i am going to be filming model 
 spaceships in front of a black or bluescreen and I want to know what is 
 the best way to go about this without getting any generation loss on my 
 film.  I will have to combine many layers of film on an optical printer 
 and then I will also have to rotoscope in lazer beams and stuff like 
 that so how would I go about that without making my FX shots look super 
 grainy?  I refuse to do this on a computer because thats gay so any 
 advice would be much appreciated.  I think i will be doin this all in 
 the bay area so anyone who wants to help out should do so because its 
 going to take a lot of work and I think it could be really sick if we 
 do it right.  If none of this is possible then I am going to quit 
 filmmaking and cut my lines so tell me what I got to do so I can make 
 this movie great.
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[Frameworks] Millennium Film Journal News

[MIllennium Film Journal]

We are running low on MFJ 55 “Structures  Spaces: Cine-Installation.”
Please order your copy before September 5th to get it at the current price of 
$8 + shipping.
After September 5th, it will be $10.

If you haven't yet seen the updated website of the Millennium Film Journal, 
please check it out.
It has been rebuilt from the ground up by Shona Masarin and we are very proud 
of her work.
http://www.mfj-online.org

As some of you know, we are in production on MFJ 56. We will publish the Table 
of Contents in the next few days (as soon as we settle on a title for the 
issue.)
We have to increase the cost of subscriptions too, I am sorry to say. However, 
we are still offering a free back issue with new subscriptions.

Grahame Weinbren
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[MIllennium Film Journal]

We are running low on MFJ 55 “Structures  Spaces: Cine-Installation.”
Please order your copy before September 5th to get it at the current price of 
$8 + shipping.
After September 5th, it will be $10.

If you haven't yet seen the updated website of the Millennium Film Journal, 
please check it out.
It has been rebuilt from the ground up by Shona Masarin and we are very proud 
of her work.
http://www.mfj-online.org

As some of you know, we are in production on MFJ 56. We will publish the Table 
of Contents in the next few days (as soon as we settle on a title for the 
issue.)
We have to increase the cost of subscriptions too, I am sorry to say. However, 
we are still offering a free back issue with new subscriptions.

Grahame Weinbren
Senior Editor
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http://mfj-online.org



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Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation

[Abigail Severance]

My computer isn't gay, but it/she/v/he IS transitioning genders, which makes it 
hard for her/shim/him to know what public bathroom to use day to day. That's so 
trans.
_
Abigail Severance

Los Angeles



On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:00 AM, graeme hogg wrote:

 
 
 Yeah, the computers that control Optical Printers, they're pretty gay 
 aren't they.
 
 
 
 Ben
 
 Sounds like a very interesting project and I commend you for working on 
 16mm but curious what's gay about using a computer? Sounds like 
 something quite negative since its something you refuse to do?
 
 I've just never heard someone refer to using computers as gay.
 
 I personally love 16mm and have made several films in that format. I can 
 also see why computers can be so detesting to celluloid lovers but have 
 a hard time understanding why that term was used.
 
 It would sound pretty bad if someone said I refuse to do this on a 
 computer because that's so girly or sissy or that's so black. That 
 would sound pretty sexist or racist, no?
 
 I just wanted to leave you with some food for thought.
 
 Sonali
 
 On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:04 AM, ben.weinst...@mindspring.com wrote:
 
 Hey just wanted to get some advice for doing some very complicated 
 special FX on 16mm film.  I am going to be making a space pirates 
 claymation film in the near future and I want to do some very 
 complicated optical printing and rotoscoping FX shots.  I know that CRI 
 film stock no longer exists but i am going to be filming model 
 spaceships in front of a black or bluescreen and I want to know what is 
 the best way to go about this without getting any generation loss on my 
 film.  I will have to combine many layers of film on an optical printer 
 and then I will also have to rotoscope in lazer beams and stuff like 
 that so how would I go about that without making my FX shots look super 
 grainy?  I refuse to do this on a computer because thats gay so any 
 advice would be much appreciated.  I think i will be doin this all in 
 the bay area so anyone who wants to help out should do so because its 
 going to take a lot of work and I think it could be really sick if we 
 do it right.  If none of this is possible then I am going to quit 
 filmmaking and cut my lines so tell me what I got to do so I can make 
 this movie great.
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Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation

[ben . weinstein]

My computer's gay and stupid and I hate it evenmore than I hate myself. Btw does anyone have angel dust?
-Original Message- From: Abigail Severance Sent: Aug 22, 2012 3:28 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation My computer isn't gay, but it/she/v/he IS transitioning genders, which makes it hard for her/shim/him to know what public bathroom to use day to day. That's so trans.


_




















Abigail Severance
Los Angeles












On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:00 AM, graeme hogg wrote:

Yeah, the computers that control Optical Printers, they're pretty gay aren't they.
Ben

Sounds like a very interesting project and I commend you for working on 
16mm but curious what's "gay" about using a computer? Sounds like 
something quite negative since its something you refuse to do?

I've just never heard someone refer to using computers as "gay".

I personally love 16mm and have made several films in that format. I can 
also see why computers can be so detesting to celluloid lovers but have 
a hard time understanding why that term was used.

It would sound pretty bad if someone said "I refuse to do this on a 
computer because that's so girly or sissy or that's so black". That 
would sound pretty sexist or racist, no?

I just wanted to leave you with some food for thought.

Sonali

On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:04 AM, ben.weinst...@mindspring.com wrote:


Hey just wanted to get some advice for doing some very complicated 

special FX on 16mm film. I am going to be making a space pirates 

claymation film in the near future and I want to do some very 

complicated optical printing and rotoscoping FX shots. I know that CRI 

film stock no longer exists but i am going to be filming model 

spaceships in front of a black or bluescreen and I want to know what is 

the best way to go about this without getting any generation loss on my 

film. I will have to combine many layers of film on an optical printer 

and then I will also have to rotoscope in lazer beams and stuff like 

that so how would I go about that without making my FX shots look super 

grainy? I refuse to do this on a computer because thats gay so any 

advice would be much appreciated. I think i will be doin this all in 

the bay area so anyone who wants to help out should do so because its 

going to take a lot of work and I think it could be really sick if we 

do it right. If none of this is possible then I am going to quit 

filmmaking and cut my lines so tell me what I got to do so I can make 

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Re: [Frameworks] space pirate? day light spools in bay area

[ben . weinstein]

Hey im actually gonna be in New York til Janruary unfortunately but I do know people in SF that will have daylight spools for ya. Hit me up off list and ill try and get u some.
-Original Message- From: katherine Bauer Sent: Aug 22, 2012 2:22 PM To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: [Frameworks] space pirate? day light spools in bay area Hi Space Pirateor anyone other filmy people in the Bay Area...Space pirate Im interested to see your set up - I have done some of what you speak of trying - Maybe I could help out at this stage. Ill be in the Bay Area/SF for a couple weeks. I really need day light spools...1 to 4 . I brought film to shoot but forgot I need to spool it down...well I forgot what I need to spool it down - well only the day light spools - so if you have any let me know. despite your choice of adjective to describe digital FX I like your dedication to real film FX. I hold to that as well...keep it real. fake real is better than fake fake. But you know being gay is fucking awesome...so I think you meant to use something else in that sentence. ;)xoK
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Re: [Frameworks] space pirate? day light spools in bay area

[ben . weinstein]

Or you can just go to Action Camera in the sunsetor Adolph Gasser downtown.
-Original Message- From: katherine Bauer Sent: Aug 22, 2012 2:22 PM To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: [Frameworks] space pirate? day light spools in bay area Hi Space Pirateor anyone other filmy people in the Bay Area...Space pirate Im interested to see your set up - I have done some of what you speak of trying - Maybe I could help out at this stage. Ill be in the Bay Area/SF for a couple weeks. I really need day light spools...1 to 4 . I brought film to shoot but forgot I need to spool it down...well I forgot what I need to spool it down - well only the day light spools - so if you have any let me know. despite your choice of adjective to describe digital FX I like your dedication to real film FX. I hold to that as well...keep it real. fake real is better than fake fake. But you know being gay is fucking awesome...so I think you meant to use something else in that sentence. ;)xoK
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[Frameworks] Doctor T Birthday Concerts

[Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)]

Hi folks,

Help me celebrate my 70th birthday by attending one of my birthday concerts!

  I'm having one at Outpost 186 in Cambridge on Saturday, September 8, 
from 7:30 until about 10:30, and one at 119 Gallery in Lowell on 
October 6 from about 8:15 - 11:30

I'll be doing video improvisations with lots of great musicians in 
combinations new and old. The October show will also feature a video 
collaboration with Greg Kowalski, where we will improvise projections 
on the same screen in our distinct styles.

Musicians for the September show include (I'm sure I left some out )
Michael Bierylo
Ken Field
Rick Scott
John Voigt
Kit Demos
Neil Leonard
Tom Plsek
Glynis Lomon
Forbes Graham
Michael Bloom
Jon Proudman
Tim Mungenast

Musicians for the October show include
Dave Bryant
Eric Rosenthal
Glynis Lomon
Kit Demos
Andrea Pensado
Walter Wright
Junko Fujiwara
Eric Crawley
Karen Langlie
and others TBA

If you are a musician who has performed with me and would like to 
participate, I can add you to the October bill.
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My videos can be viewed at
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