Re: [Frameworks] seamless media player recommendations?

[George, Sherman]

I have had a Incredisonic IMP 150 playing a 45 min. clip for over 7 months 
without problems. It restarts automatically after a power outage and loops with 
about 20 sec. of black and cost around $40.00 from my local electronics dealer.
There is a brief logo when it restarts after a power failure. It is limited to 
1080 HDMI and SD analog.
Sherman


On Feb 27, 2016, at 12:10 PM, todd eacrett 
mailto:hell...@agit-prop.com>> wrote:


Has anyone tried the Micca Speck G2 or IncrediSonic IMP? They're cheap and 
tiny, no streaming, just file playback. I've been told they loop seamlessly or 
with just a very short black screen, but no logo/icon. If anyone has used 
either, do they output analog audio and hdmi video at the same time like the 
WDTV or do you need an hdmi breakout?



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Re: [Frameworks] seamless media player recommendations?

[Amanda Christie]

> The WD TV Live also reads HFS+, though I'm not sure the display icons can be 
> turned off.

As stated earlier... they cannot be turned off without installing a firmware 
hack.

> 
> MPEG Streamclip is long dead, and won't run on recent versions of the Mac OS.

I'm still running MPEG stream clip seamlessly on OS X 10.10.3 (Yosemite).  I 
haven't tried it on El Capitaine, because I prefer not to uprade my OS until 
after they've worked all the bugs out of them... 
I'm currently running Avid Media Composer 8.5 which still does not run on El 
Capitaine either... so I won't upgrade until it's compatible.

Upgrading to the latest and greatest OS is overrated anyway.  There's always 
bugs when they're first launched... wait until the bugs and kinks have been 
worked out... then upgrade... 

so yeah... I'm having no problems at all with MPEG streamclip on my gear, and 
I'm only step behind the latest fancy pants OS.


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Re: [Frameworks] seamless media player recommendations?

[k. a.r.]

if no one said it yet, there is a program called "Play Back Pro" that runs on 
mac
you can loop forever on it..
it's a professional level program that we use here in San Francisco for very 
high profile corporate events.
It's pretty easy to use, but it is a little expensive.

You can also do loops with Quick Time and Windows media player, also.


Kristie

> From: p...@publiccinema.org
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 13:18:07 -0500
> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
> Subject: [Frameworks] seamless media player recommendations?
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’m looking for recommendations for media players capable of looping video 
> seamlessly for several hours in an installation/gallery environment.
> 
> I’ve been trying out this Micca Speck G2 player, but it has been freezing up 
> after 50 minutes or so:
> http://www.amazon.com/Micca-Full-HD-Portable-Digital-Player/dp/B008NO9RRM
> 
> I need it to be able to run as long as 10 hours, continuously. Does anyone 
> have any ideas? I’ll need three, so something affordable would be awesome. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Paul
> 
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Re: [Frameworks] seamless media player recommendations?

[Dave Tetzlaff]

> if you are coming from a Mac, the media players are all Windows-formatted

Not true. I have an old Seagate FreeAgent Theater+ HD media player that reads 
HFS+ (Mac) hard drives and thumb drives. It also goes directly from the end of 
one file to the next alphabetically w/o putting any display on the screen. The 
WD TV Live also reads HFS+, though I'm not sure the display icons can be turned 
off.

Not to say any media player is the solution for looping, a task I've not 
tackled.

> There is a file-size limit on moving media onto a Windows-formatted thumb 
> drive from a Mac.

No, there's a file-size limit on FAT format drives, period. Which is how most 
thumb drives come, as all PCs and Macs can read/write to them. If you reformat 
them as NTFS, they will accept large files. Depending on your Mac, you may need 
additional software to use NTFS: Tuxera, Paragon, etc. 

> You can use MPEG streamclip which is open source free software, to transcode 
> your finished files into h.264 mp4…. 

MPEG Streamclip is long dead, and won't run on recent versions of the Mac OS.

If you have to make some sort of h.264 file, realize all software encoders are 
not equal, and tweaking the settings matters a lot. The x264 encoder is the 
best. It's built-in to Handbrake. The 'Slower' preset should do a very nice job 
w/o too much further diddling with specific settings (check the frame rate 
setting…).
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Re: [Frameworks] experimental films involving minerals

[Jon Behrens]

I made a film in 2006  The Astrum Argentium
That I made using lots of things including minerals . It's available through 
Canyon Cinema
Here is a clip:

https://vimeo.com/59306493


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 27, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Ryder White 
mailto:ryder.wh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

If in-progress works count, I am working on a suite of small films about White 
Sands Nat'l Monument, some of which incorporate photograms of the gypsum sand 
grains. I don't have anything digitized yet, but here's a still from Pt. 2 
(Impression of Scale).

Best,

R

On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 11:46 AM, fred truniger 
mailto:fred.truni...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Peggy
Hans-Jakob Siber, a Swiss filmmaker working in the 60ies made an entire film 
using minerals. He was a mineral-dealer at the time and used his machinery to 
make this film. Its four minutes long. You can watch it here:
http://medienarchiv.zhdk.ch/entries/e5996652-a825-4ada-bbfd-dae6a17dd279



Am 27.02.16 um 19:29 schrieb Caryn Cline:
Cade Bursell's Salt Lines.

CC
Caryn Cline
Experimental Filmmaker & Teacher
vimeo.com/carynyc

[https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B8QA2RrT4O21c0ZoczJTTncwdkE&revid=0B8QA2RrT4O21VWRvUVl1a1N0Rml2YUVpUGxvWEV4dmJRQ1RVPQ]
film still from "Ektacy" (2015)




On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Ruth Hayes 
mailto:randomr...@comcast.net>> wrote:
Thanks, Ben, but my current series Copper Perforation Loops only uses a 
perforated disk of copper to scratch black leader against. There aren't any 
direct images of copper in the frames.

Best,

Ruth


http://www.randommotion.com

blogs.evergreen.edu/hayesr

On Feb 26, 2016, at 9:13 AM, Benjamin Popp wrote:

I know Ruth Hayes is working on something using copper I believe.
Eric Stewart's "FE" uses iron
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Re: [Frameworks] seamless media player recommendations?

[drawclose.com]

Seconding Andre's vote for raspberry pi. The best thing about this - the device 
is single-tasking. I've seen digital work sabotaged by a Windows OS cry for 
software update in the gallery. . . 

Size makes physical installation more fun/interesting in a gallery space as 
well. It can be piggybacked onto the projector, no big deal. 

Jessica

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> On Feb 27, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Paul Harrill  wrote:
> 
> 
> This is a really low bitrate file, actually — like, 10mbps. And I’ve tried it 
> with a 45 minute file, and a much longer one. It just seems to stutter and 
> drop frames after a while.
> 
>> On Feb 27, 2016, at 3:23 PM, todd eacrett  wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> Oops. Didn't read that you are using the Micca Speck... Regarding the 
>> freezing, how long is the file you looping? Have you tried different types 
>> of files? I've had similar problems with high bitrates and/or crappy cabes 
>> on WDTV players.
>>  
>> 
>>> On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Paul Harrill  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I’m looking for recommendations for media players capable of looping video 
>>> seamlessly for several hours in an installation/gallery environment.
>>> 
>>> I’ve been trying out this Micca Speck G2 player, but it has been freezing 
>>> up after 50 minutes or so:
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Micca-Full-HD-Portable-Digital-Player/dp/B008NO9RRM
>>> 
>>> I need it to be able to run as long as 10 hours, continuously. Does anyone 
>>> have any ideas? I’ll need three, so something affordable would be awesome.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Paul
>>> 
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Re: [Frameworks] Big Shadows

[Albert Alcoz]

Recently Eva Kolcze shared this video on facebook:

Facing The Waves (2016)

https://vimeo.com/153938098

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 12:14 AM, Gene Youngblood 
wrote:

>  Sounds interesting, Pip. Like the inverse of Bill Viola’s “Sweet Light,”
> in which he walks toward the camera at night wearing white clothes with
> someone walking along beside him in black clothes shining a bright light on
> him. This starts at some distance, so all you see is a glowing white figure
> advancing toward the camera with direct sound picking up his footsteps.
>
> > On Feb 25, 2016, at 11:03 PM, Pip Chodorov 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Gene,
> > You'll have to search for this but Gaspard Noe made a music video in
> which he walks through the forest with a handheld camera at night, followed
> by someone carrying a bright light, the result is his own shadow walking
> eerily through the woods. I can't find the title now but I think it fits
> right in.
> > Pip
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 8:24 -0700 25/02/16, Gene Youngblood wrote:
> >> Friends, following the success of my 360-degree query, here's one more:
> films with Expressionist-style large shadows, such as the sewer in the
> Third Man or Noirs like The Big Combo. I need shadows of whole human
> figures as well as hands (as in Nosferatu).
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Re: [Frameworks] seamless media player recommendations?

[Paul Harrill]

This is a really low bitrate file, actually — like, 10mbps. And I’ve tried it 
with a 45 minute file, and a much longer one. It just seems to stutter and drop 
frames after a while.

> On Feb 27, 2016, at 3:23 PM, todd eacrett  wrote:
> 
>  
> Oops. Didn't read that you are using the Micca Speck... Regarding the 
> freezing, how long is the file you looping? Have you tried different types of 
> files? I've had similar problems with high bitrates and/or crappy cabes on 
> WDTV players.
>  
> 
> On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Paul Harrill  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’m looking for recommendations for media players capable of looping video 
> seamlessly for several hours in an installation/gallery environment.
> 
> I’ve been trying out this Micca Speck G2 player, but it has been freezing up 
> after 50 minutes or so:
> http://www.amazon.com/Micca-Full-HD-Portable-Digital-Player/dp/B008NO9RRM 
> 
> 
> I need it to be able to run as long as 10 hours, continuously. Does anyone 
> have any ideas? I’ll need three, so something affordable would be awesome.
> 
> Thanks,
> Paul
> 
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Re: [Frameworks] seamless media player recommendations?

[todd eacrett]

Has anyone tried the Micca Speck G2 or IncrediSonic IMP? They're cheap
and tiny, no streaming, just file playback. I've been told they loop
seamlessly or with just a very short black screen, but no logo/icon.
If anyone has used either, do they output analog audio and hdmi
video at the same time like the WDTV or do you need an hdmi breakout?
 

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Re: [Frameworks] seamless media player recommendations?

[todd eacrett]

 
Oops. Didn't read that you are using the Micca Speck... Regarding the
freezing, how long is the file you looping? Have you tried different
types of files? I've had similar problems with high bitrates and/or
crappy cabes on WDTV players.
 

On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Paul Harrill
 wrote:

Hi all,

I’m looking for recommendations for media players capable of looping
video seamlessly for several hours in an installation/gallery
environment.

I’ve been trying out this Micca Speck G2 player, but it has been
freezing up after 50 minutes or so:
http://www.amazon.com/Micca-Full-HD-Portable-Digital-Player/dp/B008NO9RRM

I need it to be able to run as long as 10 hours, continuously. Does
anyone have any ideas? I’ll need three, so something affordable would
be awesome.

Thanks,
Paul

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Re: [Frameworks] seamless media player recommendations?

[Jeff Kreines]

> On Feb 27, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Amanda Christie  
> wrote:
> 
> You can use MPEG streamclip which is open source free software, to transcode 
> your finished files into h.264 mp4…. 

I never like Streamclip.  You can use Resolve 12 (the free version) to 
transcode to a lot of different formats, as well as do serious color 
correction, reframing, stabilization, editing, and much more.  The paid version 
adds a few features like the ability to output at resolutions greater than UHD, 
and temporal noise reduction, but for most users the free version is fine.  Mac 
or PC.  It does require a decent GPU card if you are doing serious stuff.  It’s 
pretty deep, but not that difficult to get started with.  You can do stuff with 
various windows and nodes if you’d like.  You can grade with curves, which is 
fast and powerful.  

They are constantly upgrading it and fixing it.  If you have the paid version 
there’s no charge for upgrades.

I use it a lot, mostly on a PC with 2 Titan X GPU cards, but it is fine on 
lesser machines.  Supports just about any format you can think of.  Good 
manual, and made better by the fact you rarely need to use it.

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/support/family/davinci-resolve-and-fusion 


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Re: [Frameworks] seamless media player recommendations?

[Amanda Christie]

! 

good tips on the Brighsigns!


and I forgot about Rasberri Pi... I actually bought one for myself after my 
last show, specifically for this reason, so I could use three Rasberry Pis next 
time (cheaper than media players, and smaller)... I just haven't gotten around 
to setting it up yet.

thanks for the reminder!  (I'm working on something else right now and 
multitasking, so it wasn't front of mind in this instance)




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On 2016-02-27, at 3:09 PM, André Lindahl wrote:

> Standard player for museums and galleries where I'm from is brightsign. They 
> can do it all. They never stop and starts directly when they get power. But 
> if you're only need loop and no sync or anything more advanced you could use 
> raspberry pi2s and save a lot of money. I use rpi2s for this all the time at 
> work and they have been running for at least 3 months straight without hick 
> ups. If power goes down they will start up again automatic. I use the looper 
> hack describes here: 
> 
> https://learn.adafruit.com/raspberry-pi-video-looper/overview
> 
> You will need some basic Linux skills or be able to follow instructions. 
> 
> I would choose this over a regular pc or Mac everyday. I have used a lot of 
> Mac minis in a museum environment and they always cause me a lot of trouble. 
> The same goes for any player aimed for the living room market. They're not 
> meant to be run for such periods of time and they always seem to show some 
> stupid info screen Wigren looping. 
> 
> Best
> André
> 
> On Sat, Feb 27, 2016, 19:18 Paul Harrill  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’m looking for recommendations for media players capable of looping video 
> seamlessly for several hours in an installation/gallery environment.
> 
> I’ve been trying out this Micca Speck G2 player, but it has been freezing up 
> after 50 minutes or so:
> http://www.amazon.com/Micca-Full-HD-Portable-Digital-Player/dp/B008NO9RRM
> 
> I need it to be able to run as long as 10 hours, continuously. Does anyone 
> have any ideas? I’ll need three, so something affordable would be awesome.
> 
> Thanks,
> Paul
> 
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Re: [Frameworks] seamless media player recommendations?

[Amanda Christie]

Hi Paul, 

that was exactly the same situation I found myself in last fall!

In the past, when i was looping only one video, i used a mac mini with VLC, 
because that was the easiest and smoothest.

But when I had a project with 3 separate looping videos, and i couldn't get 3 
mac minis... that's when i did all the media player research.

i wound up using 3 identical WDTV Live media players.
If you're editing on a mac, you gotta know that they won't take ProRes files, 
and they're not a fan of .mov files... they prefer h.264 mp4 files... they can 
run .mov files... but .mp4s run smoother.
You can use MPEG streamclip which is open source free software, to transcode 
your finished files into h.264 mp4 
then do your copy-pasting in Quicktime Pro instead of in your video editing 
software, because it will save a whole lot faster (no rendering).

I was able to use long files on those media players.  
I got the three WDTV  Live media players, along with three 32GB USB sticks, and 
made three 10 hour long video files.
Because all 3 media players were the same, when the gallery turned the show on 
and off in the morning, they only had to use one remote and it turned on all 
three (but that was a bit of a bitch if you were trying to trouble shoot one of 
them, because they were so close together that the remote would often affect 
more than the one i was working on... but once it was running, it was 
relatively smooth).


Hope that's helpful!


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On 2016-02-27, at 2:54 PM, Paul Harrill wrote:

> 
> Amanda,
> 
> Thanks for the info. I’ve been thinking about creating the 10hour video in 
> quicktime as a solution. 
> 
> How did you play your 10 hour video? On a mac? We’re going to need three 
> players, and I’m not sure I’ve got 3 macs (minis or laptops) that I could use 
> during the duration of the show.
> 
> Paul 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 27, 2016, at 1:27 PM, Amanda Christie  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I went through a pretty big search for something similar last year, and it's 
>> harder than you would think.  most of them to have at least a black screen 
>> if not a reloading symbol between each loop.
>> 
>> here are the results from my search:
>> 
>> 1)  the Lacie LaCinema media player can do it, but it has been discontinued 
>> and is hard to find.
>> 
>> 2)  there is a woman in france who can write a hack for a firmware update 
>> that can remove the little orange circle "reloading" symbol from the WD live 
>> media players.   
>> I forget how much she charges for the hack, but I don't think it was much... 
>> 
>> 3)  a lot of people were using media players that were specifically designed 
>> for haunted houses in the US (go figure! who knew! apparently haunted houses 
>> are a big commercial industry there, and there are media players designed 
>> just for those that don't have the looping symbol)... sorry, I can't find 
>> any of my reference notes on makes or models though... :-(
>> 
>> 4) finally, the easiest solution, that I went with... was I just put my 
>> media into Quicktime Pro... and copy paste copy pasted loop after loop to 
>> make a 10 hour long video file.  so it only had to play once in the gallery 
>> anyway.
>> 
>> 
>> hope some of that is helpful, and if you find something, do let us know!
>> 
>> adc
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2016-02-27, at 2:18 PM, Paul Harrill wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I’m looking for recommendations for media players capable of looping video 
>>> seamlessly for several hours in an installation/gallery environment.
>>> 
>>> I’ve been trying out this Micca Speck G2 player, but it has been freezing 
>>> up after 50 minutes or so:
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Micca-Full-HD-Portable-Digital-Player/dp/B008NO9RRM
>>> 
>>> I need it to be able to run as long as 10 hours, continuously. Does anyone 
>>> have any ideas? I’ll need three, so something affordable would be awesome. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Paul
>>> 
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Re: [Frameworks] seamless media player recommendations?

[André Lindahl]

Standard player for museums and galleries where I'm from is brightsign.
They can do it all. They never stop and starts directly when they get
power. But if you're only need loop and no sync or anything more advanced
you could use raspberry pi2s and save a lot of money. I use rpi2s for this
all the time at work and they have been running for at least 3 months
straight without hick ups. If power goes down they will start up again
automatic. I use the looper hack describes here:

https://learn.adafruit.com/raspberry-pi-video-looper/overview

You will need some basic Linux skills or be able to follow instructions.

I would choose this over a regular pc or Mac everyday. I have used a lot of
Mac minis in a museum environment and they always cause me a lot of
trouble. The same goes for any player aimed for the living room market.
They're not meant to be run for such periods of time and they always seem
to show some stupid info screen Wigren looping.

Best
André

On Sat, Feb 27, 2016, 19:18 Paul Harrill  wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I’m looking for recommendations for media players capable of looping video
> seamlessly for several hours in an installation/gallery environment.
>
> I’ve been trying out this Micca Speck G2 player, but it has been freezing
> up after 50 minutes or so:
> http://www.amazon.com/Micca-Full-HD-Portable-Digital-Player/dp/B008NO9RRM
>
> I need it to be able to run as long as 10 hours, continuously. Does anyone
> have any ideas? I’ll need three, so something affordable would be awesome.
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
>
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Re: [Frameworks] seamless media player recommendations?

[Gisèle Gordon]

Brightsigns are a bit of a learning curve to program (they need to be
programmed in a windows environment, but we just set up my mac to do that),
but once they are set up, they run flawlessly. I did a lot of research for a
2-channel synched installed in Moscow (no chance of me, or anyone there
being able to trouble shoot if something went wrong) ‹ the video played for
2 months with no issues.  Many other video artists are now using them here
in Canada and internationally, they are becoming the standard.

I agree, there is definitely a (unfortunately small) market for
artist-friendly players.  I¹ll put myself on the waiting list.  But until
then, the Brightsigns seem to be the most stable solution.

https://www.brightsign.biz/digital-signage-products/hd-product-line/overview
/

gisele

From:  Chris Freeman 
Reply-To:  Experimental Film Discussion List

Date:  Sat, 27 Feb 2016 10:40:52 -0800
To:  Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject:  Re: [Frameworks] seamless media player recommendations?

Media players are terrible with long videos.

Are you playing one long file?  The ones I have used have all had a file
size limit of a few gigs, so I've had to cut up my long videos into
10-minute chunks.

Plus if you are coming from a Mac, the media players are all
Windows-formatted, so there is a file-size limit on moving media onto a
Windows-formatted thumb drive from a Mac (because of the underlying
differences in architecture of the two systems).

Almost all media players I have seen have also always have some stupid
graphic when it loops or a graphic overlay that they put over the first few
seconds of every video file.  I've heard this can be hacked by going into
the file system and deleting those graphics though (I guess by hooking it up
to a computer somehow?)

My solution has been to use an iPod touch.  It is very convoluted, but you
can get the iPod to loop a video just with the native Photos app, which I
can go into detail about if you are interested.  Unfortunately this
functionality was removed with iOS 9 that came out last fall, so I've had to
keep my iPod on iOS 8.  However, I bet there are apps that will do this.
The iPod is generally a champ and will keep plugging along once it's
looping, but you have to do a lot of work to get it there - turn off all
notifications, don't connect it to wifi, sign out of iCloud.  Any
interruption will cause the video to stop looping.  I can detail all this
also if you are interested.

The really best solution for looping long videos these days I think is to
use a Mac Mini. 




Who wants to help me design and sell a media player for artists???  It will
just loop vidoes seamlessly, it'll have good design and be user-friendly,
talk to Macs and PCs, no stupid graphic overlays, and be made for a gallery
or screening environment!!!  There's a market for this!!!

On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Paul Harrill 
wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I¹m looking for recommendations for media players capable of looping video
> seamlessly for several hours in an installation/gallery environment.
> 
> I¹ve been trying out this Micca Speck G2 player, but it has been freezing up
> after 50 minutes or so:
> http://www.amazon.com/Micca-Full-HD-Portable-Digital-Player/dp/B008NO9RRM
> 
> I need it to be able to run as long as 10 hours, continuously. Does anyone
> have any ideas? I¹ll need three, so something affordable would be awesome.
> 
> Thanks,
> Paul
> 
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Re: [Frameworks] seamless media player recommendations?

[Paul Harrill]

Amanda,

Thanks for the info. I’ve been thinking about creating the 10hour video in 
quicktime as a solution. 

How did you play your 10 hour video? On a mac? We’re going to need three 
players, and I’m not sure I’ve got 3 macs (minis or laptops) that I could use 
during the duration of the show.

Paul 


> On Feb 27, 2016, at 1:27 PM, Amanda Christie  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I went through a pretty big search for something similar last year, and it's 
> harder than you would think.  most of them to have at least a black screen if 
> not a reloading symbol between each loop.
> 
> here are the results from my search:
> 
> 1)  the Lacie LaCinema media player can do it, but it has been discontinued 
> and is hard to find.
> 
> 2)  there is a woman in france who can write a hack for a firmware update 
> that can remove the little orange circle "reloading" symbol from the WD live 
> media players.   
> I forget how much she charges for the hack, but I don't think it was much... 
> 
> 3)  a lot of people were using media players that were specifically designed 
> for haunted houses in the US (go figure! who knew! apparently haunted houses 
> are a big commercial industry there, and there are media players designed 
> just for those that don't have the looping symbol)... sorry, I can't find any 
> of my reference notes on makes or models though... :-(
> 
> 4) finally, the easiest solution, that I went with... was I just put my media 
> into Quicktime Pro... and copy paste copy pasted loop after loop to make a 10 
> hour long video file.  so it only had to play once in the gallery anyway.
> 
> 
> hope some of that is helpful, and if you find something, do let us know!
> 
> adc
> 
> 
> 
> On 2016-02-27, at 2:18 PM, Paul Harrill wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’m looking for recommendations for media players capable of looping video 
>> seamlessly for several hours in an installation/gallery environment.
>> 
>> I’ve been trying out this Micca Speck G2 player, but it has been freezing up 
>> after 50 minutes or so:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Micca-Full-HD-Portable-Digital-Player/dp/B008NO9RRM
>> 
>> I need it to be able to run as long as 10 hours, continuously. Does anyone 
>> have any ideas? I’ll need three, so something affordable would be awesome. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Paul
>> 
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Re: [Frameworks] seamless media player recommendations?

[Chris Freeman]

Media players are terrible with long videos.

Are you playing one long file?  The ones I have used have all had a file
size limit of a few gigs, so I've had to cut up my long videos into
10-minute chunks.

Plus if you are coming from a Mac, the media players are all
Windows-formatted, so there is a file-size limit on moving media onto a
Windows-formatted thumb drive from a Mac (because of the underlying
differences in architecture of the two systems).

Almost all media players I have seen have also always have some stupid
graphic when it loops or a graphic overlay that they put over the first few
seconds of every video file.  I've heard this can be hacked by going into
the file system and deleting those graphics though (I guess by hooking it
up to a computer somehow?)

My solution has been to use an iPod touch.  It is very convoluted, but you
can get the iPod to loop a video just with the native Photos app, which I
can go into detail about if you are interested.  Unfortunately this
functionality was removed with iOS 9 that came out last fall, so I've had
to keep my iPod on iOS 8.  However, I bet there are apps that will do
this.  The iPod is generally a champ and will keep plugging along once it's
looping, but you have to do a lot of work to get it there - turn off all
notifications, don't connect it to wifi, sign out of iCloud.  Any
interruption will cause the video to stop looping.  I can detail all this
also if you are interested.

The really best solution for looping long videos these days I think is to
use a Mac Mini.




Who wants to help me design and sell a media player for artists???  It will
just loop vidoes seamlessly, it'll have good design and be user-friendly,
talk to Macs and PCs, no stupid graphic overlays, and be made for a gallery
or screening environment!!!  There's a market for this!!!

On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Paul Harrill 
wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I’m looking for recommendations for media players capable of looping video
> seamlessly for several hours in an installation/gallery environment.
>
> I’ve been trying out this Micca Speck G2 player, but it has been freezing
> up after 50 minutes or so:
> http://www.amazon.com/Micca-Full-HD-Portable-Digital-Player/dp/B008NO9RRM
>
> I need it to be able to run as long as 10 hours, continuously. Does anyone
> have any ideas? I’ll need three, so something affordable would be awesome.
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
>
>
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Re: [Frameworks] experimental films involving minerals

[Caryn Cline]

Cade Bursell's Salt Lines .

CC
Caryn Cline
Experimental Filmmaker & Teacher
vimeo.com/carynyc


film still from "Ektacy" (2015)




On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Ruth Hayes  wrote:

> Thanks, Ben, but my current series Copper Perforation Loops only uses a
> perforated disk of copper to scratch black leader against. There aren't any
> direct images of copper in the frames.
>
> Best,
>
> Ruth
>
> http://www.randommotion.com
>
> blogs.evergreen.edu/hayesr
>
> On Feb 26, 2016, at 9:13 AM, Benjamin Popp wrote:
>
> I know Ruth Hayes is working on something using copper I believe.
> Eric Stewart's "FE" uses iron
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Re: [Frameworks] seamless media player recommendations?

[Amanda Christie]

I went through a pretty big search for something similar last year, and it's 
harder than you would think.  most of them to have at least a black screen if 
not a reloading symbol between each loop.

here are the results from my search:

1)  the Lacie LaCinema media player can do it, but it has been discontinued and 
is hard to find.

2)  there is a woman in france who can write a hack for a firmware update that 
can remove the little orange circle "reloading" symbol from the WD live media 
players.   
I forget how much she charges for the hack, but I don't think it was much... 

3)  a lot of people were using media players that were specifically designed 
for haunted houses in the US (go figure! who knew! apparently haunted houses 
are a big commercial industry there, and there are media players designed just 
for those that don't have the looping symbol)... sorry, I can't find any of my 
reference notes on makes or models though... :-(

4) finally, the easiest solution, that I went with... was I just put my media 
into Quicktime Pro... and copy paste copy pasted loop after loop to make a 10 
hour long video file.  so it only had to play once in the gallery anyway.


hope some of that is helpful, and if you find something, do let us know!

adc



On 2016-02-27, at 2:18 PM, Paul Harrill wrote:

> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’m looking for recommendations for media players capable of looping video 
> seamlessly for several hours in an installation/gallery environment.
> 
> I’ve been trying out this Micca Speck G2 player, but it has been freezing up 
> after 50 minutes or so:
> http://www.amazon.com/Micca-Full-HD-Portable-Digital-Player/dp/B008NO9RRM
> 
> I need it to be able to run as long as 10 hours, continuously. Does anyone 
> have any ideas? I’ll need three, so something affordable would be awesome. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Paul
> 
> 
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[Frameworks] seamless media player recommendations?

[Paul Harrill]

Hi all,

I’m looking for recommendations for media players capable of looping video 
seamlessly for several hours in an installation/gallery environment.

I’ve been trying out this Micca Speck G2 player, but it has been freezing up 
after 50 minutes or so:
http://www.amazon.com/Micca-Full-HD-Portable-Digital-Player/dp/B008NO9RRM

I need it to be able to run as long as 10 hours, continuously. Does anyone have 
any ideas? I’ll need three, so something affordable would be awesome. 

Thanks,
Paul


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Re: [Frameworks] Lis Rhodes? Dynamo Dresden fan? + synch?

[Peter Mudie]

My father was a 18 year old tail gunner on a RCAF Lancaster bomber involved in 
the night bombings of Dresden – his stories were soul destroying (to say the 
least).
I don’t see (nor hear) any connection between the Dresden bombings during WW2 
and Lis’ film, what I see is a fantastic set of half-tone manifestations that 
form into a unique set of durational interplays. Why should anyone need to set 
some literalisation of this as an imagined metaphorical drama linked to some 
tragic human event is beyond me – why can't the orchestration of applied 
Letraset synthetic ‘tones’ (which should be enough of a clue) be enough?
Peter
(Perth)

From: FrameWorks 
mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
 on behalf of Francisco Torres 
mailto:fjtorre...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
Date: Friday, 26 February 2016 2:52 am
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Lis Rhodes? Dynamo Dresden fan? + synch?


there is this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W85rbPbI7CI



''...cinema's role in new modes of visualization, in reconnaissance and damage 
assessment...''

and this

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/979442.War_and_Cinema

2016-02-25 9:04 GMT-04:00 John Muse mailto:jm...@sonic.net>>:
I agree with you, Mark.  After watching the "Shoot Shoot Shoot" version last 
night in a hall with a wonderful sound system, I could only think of the fire 
bombing of Dresden, which is curious because London, obviously, knows these 
sounds as well.  That Dresden must be the reference; and even if it's not, it 
should be.  None too subtle either: the score and the parades and swarms and 
cascades and conspire to put thousands of planes in the sky; some patterns 
resemble crosshairs, maps, rail lines and spurs, urban spaces.  Fully 
metaphoric?  No, but forgive me for trying.  A futurist anthem?  Not likely.  
And I'm not trying to reduce the work to this reference, to war and 
bombardment, but this reference matters, as does cinema's role in new modes of 
visualization, in reconnaissance and damage assessment--think of screening this 
before Farocki's "Images of the World and the Inscriptions of War."  The 
impulse to produce the work was materialist, playful, inspired.  The resulting 
work though has these resonances; the title simply owns up to them, no?

The synch offset: we're all agreed!

j

On Feb 25, 2016, at 7:12 AM, Mark Webber 
mailto:m...@markwebber.org.uk>> wrote:

> I believe the title is also a reference to the bombing of Dresden in World 
> War II, and the qualities of the soundtrack suggest this also. Its remarkable 
> how much this soundtrack varies according to the projector it is shown on.
>
> As Nicky Hamlyn stated, the soundtrack was offset after being made to put it 
> in sync with the image during projection. (Light Music was done the same way.)
>
> It’s remarkable how much these soundtracks vary according to the projector 
> they are shown on.
>
> Mark
>
>> Can anyone motivate the title of Lis Rhodes' Dynamo Dresden?  Or is she a 
>> fan of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamo_Dresden ?
>>
>> I was hoping that either the Letratone or the clear leader was manufactured 
>> in Dresden.
>>
>> And she claims that the optical track and the visual track are the same, but 
>> it looks like (and sounds like) she offset the optical track (26 frames 
>> ahead) so that there would visual and acoustic synch, even though she 
>> fabricated the optical track and the visual track in one go.  If you go to 
>> http://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern-tanks/display/lis-rhodes-light-music
>>  and scroll down to the video, you'll see at 51" prints of the film strip.  
>> Right?  Wrong?
>>
>> j/PrM
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