Re: [Frameworks] History question

[o...@thenowcorporation.com]

was it Thanatopsis? love that film.

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> On Jun 26, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Colinet André  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Myron and Fred.
> That makes three cranky old schoolers.
> Colinet André
> Brussels
>  
> From: Myron Ort
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 12:09 AM
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] History question
>  
> in the 60s we all would shoot elapsed time single exposures of lights at 
> night either moving the camera while exposing or letting the movement of the 
> car or whatever make the streaks, usually superimposing over other stuff.  
> Not necessarily long term time lapse requiring a timer though...
> Ed Emshwiller did something like this way back, I forget which film…..
>  
> no big deal, and who cares who did it first…..
>  
> btw, “Koyaanisqatsi” always just seemed like a high budget student film to 
> me, same subject matter and trivial default message of every student film I 
> saw as a film instructor…..you can hardly go out with your camera in an urban 
> environment and fool around with various techniques and not make a film  with 
> that “message”…….by default….
>  
> --another cranky old schooler…..
>  
>  
>  
>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Fred Camper  wrote:
>>  
>> Cancel my last post. It's been pointed out that you were not replying to me, 
>> sorry. I don't need to get more involved in all this!
>> 
>> Fred Camper
>> Chicago
>> 
>>> On 6/26/2016 2:42 PM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:
>>> Provocation.  Works for Trump.  But so far we had not been directed to any 
>>> clips of "streaky-lights car POV" footage prior to 1975.  That's why the 
>>> question is out there.  Happy to revise when 'fact-checked'.
>>> 
>>>  / 
>>> <  DV  >  Gregory Gutenko 
>>>  /
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
 On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Francisco Torres  wrote:
 
 If you are not sure it was the ''first time ever'' why claim it in the 
 Vimeo video?
  
 2016-06-26 14:17 GMT-04:00 Tim Halloran :
> Cranky Camper.
>  
> Regardless, a pretty cool little film Gregory.
>  
> Tim
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Fred Camper  wrote:
>> 
>> The question of who was first with an  effect is the most unanswerable 
>> question in film history. You would have to see every film ever made, 
>> including all the ones that have been lost, to answer it.
>> 
>> Even if you could answer it, what would the answer mean?
>> 
>> Perhaps the first was a 1937 film by an amateur filmmaker in Finland 
>> that no one ever saw. So what would that fact signify? Even if 
>> "Koyaanisqatsi" "popularized" the effect, does that mean that every 
>> subsequent use of it was a result? Surely there are filmmakers since who 
>> discovered it on their own. If you are filming a car ride with a camera 
>> with single framing, it's kind of an obvious thing to try.
>> 
>> I'm pretty sure I've seen this in lesser known "experimental" films of 
>> the 1960s.
>> 
>> Personally, I hope no one tries it again (just kidding, but not 
>> completely).
>> 
>> Fred Camper
>> Chicago
>> 
>>> On 6/26/2016 10:42 AM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> A historical question:
>>> 
>>> What was the first film to do a time-exposed single-frame sequence from 
>>> a car/driver POV?  Koyaanisqatsi popularized the effect in 1983, but 
>>> when was it first done?  I worked on a student film in 1975 called 
>>> Nervous on the Road that featured this technique at mid-point, but 
>>> surely we weren't the first, were we?  You can check a very compressed 
>>> file of Nervous out on Vimeo at
>>> https://vimeo.com/25296928
>>> 
>>> When we did this we were going for the slit-scan look of the stargate 
>>> sequence from 2001, but that was an animation process and we were doing 
>>> real-world cinematography with a wind-up Bolex.  It won an award at a 
>>> film festival in 1997 and was broadcast over four midwest PBS stations 
>>> in 1980 and not shown since.
>>> 
>>> So who originated this effect?
>>> 
>>> Gregory Gutenko
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Frameworks] films using ancient Greek themes, etc.

[Caryn Cline]

I agree, Owen.  I love--and rely on--Frameworks.

Thank you all for your thoughtful suggestions and connections!

CC
Caryn Cline
Experimental Filmmaker & Teacher
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film still from "Ektacy" (2015)




On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 7:09 PM, o...@thenowcorporation.com <
o...@thenowcorporation.com> wrote:

> I love this list! long live Frameworks!
>
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>
> On Jun 25, 2016, at 2:17 PM, Fred Camper  wrote:
>
> One obvious suggestion is Brakhage's *Visions in Meditation #3: Plato's
> Cave*.
>
> Another is Hollis Frampton's *Works and Days*, a found film that he
> signed as his own and titled after a Hesiod poem.
>
> There are also several relevant feature=-length films by Straub/Huillet
>
> I sincerely hope your students will be required to read some of the great
> Greek texts seriously, and not just as an adjunct to media production.
>
> Fred Camper
> Chicago
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Re: [Frameworks] History question

[Myron Ort]

Just saying, that is an Experimental Film circa 1962.  Ed Emshwiller !  was ok 
in my book.

Myron Ort




> On Jun 26, 2016, at 6:12 PM, Myron Ort  wrote:
> 
> Ed Emshwiller, hey kids take a look:
> 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDoH_KGTR7A 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Colinet André > > wrote:
>> 
>> I agree with Myron and Fred.
>> That makes three cranky old schoolers.
>> Colinet André
>> Brussels
>>  
>> From: Myron Ort 
>> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 12:09 AM
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] History question
>>  
>> in the 60s we all would shoot elapsed time single exposures of lights at 
>> night either moving the camera while exposing or letting the movement of the 
>> car or whatever make the streaks, usually superimposing over other stuff.  
>> Not necessarily long term time lapse requiring a timer though...
>> Ed Emshwiller did something like this way back, I forget which film…..
>>  
>> no big deal, and who cares who did it first…..
>>  
>> btw, “Koyaanisqatsi” always just seemed like a high budget student film to 
>> me, same subject matter and trivial default message of every student film I 
>> saw as a film instructor…..you can hardly go out with your camera in an 
>> urban environment and fool around with various techniques and not make a 
>> film  with that “message”…….by default….
>>  
>> --another cranky old schooler…..
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Fred Camper >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Cancel my last post. It's been pointed out that you were not replying to 
>>> me, sorry. I don't need to get more involved in all this!
>>> Fred Camper
>>> Chicago
>>> 
>>> On 6/26/2016 2:42 PM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:
 Provocation.  Works for Trump.  But so far we had not been directed to any 
 clips of "streaky-lights car POV" footage prior to 1975.  That's why the 
 question is out there.  Happy to revise when 'fact-checked'.
 
  / 
 <  DV  >  Gregory Gutenko 
  /
  
  
 
 On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Francisco Torres > wrote:
 
> If you are not sure it was the ''first time ever'' why claim it in the 
> Vimeo video?
>  
> 2016-06-26 14:17 GMT-04:00 Tim Halloran  >:
>> Cranky Camper.
>>  
>> Regardless, a pretty cool little film Gregory.
>>  
>> Tim
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Fred Camper > > wrote:
>> 
>>> The question of who was first with an  effect is the most unanswerable 
>>> question in film history. You would have to see every film ever made, 
>>> including all the ones that have been lost, to answer it.
>>> Even if you could answer it, what would the answer mean?
>>> 
>>> Perhaps the first was a 1937 film by an amateur filmmaker in Finland 
>>> that no one ever saw. So what would that fact signify? Even if 
>>> "Koyaanisqatsi" "popularized" the effect, does that mean that every 
>>> subsequent use of it was a result? Surely there are filmmakers since 
>>> who discovered it on their own. If you are filming a car ride with a 
>>> camera with single framing, it's kind of an obvious thing to try.
>>> I'm pretty sure I've seen this in lesser known "experimental" films of 
>>> the 1960s.
>>> Personally, I hope no one tries it again (just kidding, but not 
>>> completely).
>>> Fred Camper
>>> Chicago
>>> 
>>> On 6/26/2016 10:42 AM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:
 Hello All,
 
 A historical question:
 
 What was the first film to do a time-exposed single-frame sequence 
 from a car/driver POV?  Koyaanisqatsi popularized the effect in 1983, 
 but when was it first done?  I worked on a student film in 1975 called 
 Nervous on the Road that featured this technique at mid-point, but 
 surely we weren't the first, were we?  You can check a very compressed 
 file of Nervous out on Vimeo at
 https://vimeo.com/25296928 
 
 When we did this we were going for the slit-scan look of the stargate 
 sequence from 2001, but that was an animation process and we were 
 doing real-world cinematography with a wind-up Bolex.  It won an award 
 at a film festival in 1997 and was broadcast over four midwest PBS 
 stations in 1980 and not shown since.
 
 So who originated this effect?
 
 Gregory Gutenko
 
 

Re: [Frameworks] History question

[Myron Ort]

Ed Emshwiller, hey kids take a look:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDoH_KGTR7A 










> On Jun 26, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Colinet André  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Myron and Fred.
> That makes three cranky old schoolers.
> Colinet André
> Brussels
>  
> From: Myron Ort 
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 12:09 AM
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] History question
>  
> in the 60s we all would shoot elapsed time single exposures of lights at 
> night either moving the camera while exposing or letting the movement of the 
> car or whatever make the streaks, usually superimposing over other stuff.  
> Not necessarily long term time lapse requiring a timer though...
> Ed Emshwiller did something like this way back, I forget which film…..
>  
> no big deal, and who cares who did it first…..
>  
> btw, “Koyaanisqatsi” always just seemed like a high budget student film to 
> me, same subject matter and trivial default message of every student film I 
> saw as a film instructor…..you can hardly go out with your camera in an urban 
> environment and fool around with various techniques and not make a film  with 
> that “message”…….by default….
>  
> --another cranky old schooler…..
>  
>  
>  
>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Fred Camper > > wrote:
>>  
>> Cancel my last post. It's been pointed out that you were not replying to me, 
>> sorry. I don't need to get more involved in all this!
>> Fred Camper
>> Chicago
>> 
>> On 6/26/2016 2:42 PM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:
>>> Provocation.  Works for Trump.  But so far we had not been directed to any 
>>> clips of "streaky-lights car POV" footage prior to 1975.  That's why the 
>>> question is out there.  Happy to revise when 'fact-checked'.
>>> 
>>>  / 
>>> <  DV  >  Gregory Gutenko 
>>>  /
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Francisco Torres >> > wrote:
>>> 
 If you are not sure it was the ''first time ever'' why claim it in the 
 Vimeo video?
  
 2016-06-26 14:17 GMT-04:00 Tim Halloran >:
> Cranky Camper.
>  
> Regardless, a pretty cool little film Gregory.
>  
> Tim
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 26, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Fred Camper  > wrote:
> 
>> The question of who was first with an  effect is the most unanswerable 
>> question in film history. You would have to see every film ever made, 
>> including all the ones that have been lost, to answer it.
>> Even if you could answer it, what would the answer mean?
>> 
>> Perhaps the first was a 1937 film by an amateur filmmaker in Finland 
>> that no one ever saw. So what would that fact signify? Even if 
>> "Koyaanisqatsi" "popularized" the effect, does that mean that every 
>> subsequent use of it was a result? Surely there are filmmakers since who 
>> discovered it on their own. If you are filming a car ride with a camera 
>> with single framing, it's kind of an obvious thing to try.
>> I'm pretty sure I've seen this in lesser known "experimental" films of 
>> the 1960s.
>> Personally, I hope no one tries it again (just kidding, but not 
>> completely).
>> Fred Camper
>> Chicago
>> 
>> On 6/26/2016 10:42 AM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> A historical question:
>>> 
>>> What was the first film to do a time-exposed single-frame sequence from 
>>> a car/driver POV?  Koyaanisqatsi popularized the effect in 1983, but 
>>> when was it first done?  I worked on a student film in 1975 called 
>>> Nervous on the Road that featured this technique at mid-point, but 
>>> surely we weren't the first, were we?  You can check a very compressed 
>>> file of Nervous out on Vimeo at
>>> https://vimeo.com/25296928 
>>> 
>>> When we did this we were going for the slit-scan look of the stargate 
>>> sequence from 2001, but that was an animation process and we were doing 
>>> real-world cinematography with a wind-up Bolex.  It won an award at a 
>>> film festival in 1997 and was broadcast over four midwest PBS stations 
>>> in 1980 and not shown since.
>>> 
>>> So who originated this effect?
>>> 
>>> Gregory Gutenko
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
>> 

Re: [Frameworks] History question

[Colinet André]

I agree with Myron and Fred.
That makes three cranky old schoolers.
Colinet André
Brussels

From: Myron Ort 
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 12:09 AM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] History question

in the 60s we all would shoot elapsed time single exposures of lights at night 
either moving the camera while exposing or letting the movement of the car or 
whatever make the streaks, usually superimposing over other stuff.  Not 
necessarily long term time lapse requiring a timer though... 
Ed Emshwiller did something like this way back, I forget which film…..

no big deal, and who cares who did it first…..

btw, “Koyaanisqatsi” always just seemed like a high budget student film to me, 
same subject matter and trivial default message of every student film I saw as 
a film instructor…..you can hardly go out with your camera in an urban 
environment and fool around with various techniques and not make a film  with 
that “message”…….by default…. 

--another cranky old schooler…..



  On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Fred Camper  wrote:

  Cancel my last post. It's been pointed out that you were not replying to me, 
sorry. I don't need to get more involved in all this!

  Fred Camper
  Chicago


  On 6/26/2016 2:42 PM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:

Provocation.  Works for Trump.  But so far we had not been directed to any 
clips of "streaky-lights car POV" footage prior to 1975.  That's why the 
question is out there.  Happy to revise when 'fact-checked'.

 /  
<  DV  >  Gregory Gutenko  
 /



On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Francisco Torres  wrote:


  If you are not sure it was the ''first time ever'' why claim it in the 
Vimeo video?

  2016-06-26 14:17 GMT-04:00 Tim Halloran :

Cranky Camper. 

Regardless, a pretty cool little film Gregory. 

Tim

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 26, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Fred Camper  wrote:


  The question of who was first with an  effect is the most 
unanswerable question in film history. You would have to see every film ever 
made, including all the ones that have been lost, to answer it.


  Even if you could answer it, what would the answer mean?

  Perhaps the first was a 1937 film by an amateur filmmaker in Finland 
that no one ever saw. So what would that fact signify? Even if "Koyaanisqatsi" 
"popularized" the effect, does that mean that every subsequent use of it was a 
result? Surely there are filmmakers since who discovered it on their own. If 
you are filming a car ride with a camera with single framing, it's kind of an 
obvious thing to try.

  I'm pretty sure I've seen this in lesser known "experimental" films 
of the 1960s.


  Personally, I hope no one tries it again (just kidding, but not 
completely).


  Fred Camper
  Chicago


  On 6/26/2016 10:42 AM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:

Hello All,

A historical question:

What was the first film to do a time-exposed single-frame sequence from a 
car/driver POV?  Koyaanisqatsi popularized the effect in 1983, but when was it 
first done?  I worked on a student film in 1975 called Nervous on the Road that 
featured this technique at mid-point, but surely we weren't the first, were we? 
 You can check a very compressed file of Nervous out on Vimeo at
https://vimeo.com/25296928

When we did this we were going for the slit-scan look of the stargate sequence 
from 2001, but that was an animation process and we were doing real-world 
cinematography with a wind-up Bolex.  It won an award at a film festival in 
1997 and was broadcast over four midwest PBS stations in 1980 and not shown 
since.

So who originated this effect?

Gregory Gutenko
 

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Re: [Frameworks] texts on interlacing

[Ben Gwilliam]

Nice video Albert, many thanks for sharing

Ben

http://thosesoundsbetween.co.uk
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It takes along as it takes

On 26-Jun-16 10:13 PM, Albert Alcoz wrote:

Hello Ben,

Here's a video I created some years ago dealing with interlacing 
aesthetic:

http://www.albertalcoz.com/2012/11/send-me-copy.html

It was done repeating some frames where the interlace images were 
overemphasized.


Albert

On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Gene Youngblood > wrote:


Woody Vasulka pioneered these kinds of investigations vasulka.org





On Jun 26, 2016, at 6:18 AM, Laura McGough > wrote:

Richard Dienst talks a bit about scanning as an aesthetic in
"Still Life in Real Time: Theory After Television"

Best,

Laura

On Jun 26, 2016, at 5:00 AM, Ben Gwilliam
> wrote:


Hi all,

Just wondering if anyone knows of any critical texts on video
interlacing aesthetics or similar texts that deal with substrate
artifact in digital video.

Cheers
Ben

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Re: [Frameworks] texts on interlacing

[Ben Gwilliam]

Yes, a real good reminder thanks!

Ben

http://thosesoundsbetween.co.uk
http://timeinbetweenspace.tumblr.com

It takes along as it takes

On 26-Jun-16 1:18 PM, Laura McGough wrote:
Richard Dienst talks a bit about scanning as an aesthetic in "Still 
Life in Real Time: Theory After Television"


Best,

Laura

On Jun 26, 2016, at 5:00 AM, Ben Gwilliam 
> 
wrote:



Hi all,

Just wondering if anyone knows of any critical texts on video 
interlacing aesthetics or similar texts that deal with substrate 
artifact in digital video.


Cheers
Ben

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Re: [Frameworks] History question

[Myron Ort]

in the 60s we all would shoot elapsed time single exposures of lights at night 
either moving the camera while exposing or letting the movement of the car or 
whatever make the streaks, usually superimposing over other stuff.  Not 
necessarily long term time lapse requiring a timer though...
 Ed Emshwiller did something like this way back, I forget which film…..

no big deal, and who cares who did it first…..

btw, “Koyaanisqatsi” always just seemed like a high budget student film to me, 
same subject matter and trivial default message of every student film I saw as 
a film instructor…..you can hardly go out with your camera in an urban 
environment and fool around with various techniques and not make a film  with 
that “message”…….by default…. 

--another cranky old schooler…..



> On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Fred Camper  wrote:
> 
> Cancel my last post. It's been pointed out that you were not replying to me, 
> sorry. I don't need to get more involved in all this!
> 
> Fred Camper
> Chicago
> 
> On 6/26/2016 2:42 PM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:
>> Provocation.  Works for Trump.  But so far we had not been directed to any 
>> clips of "streaky-lights car POV" footage prior to 1975.  That's why the 
>> question is out there.  Happy to revise when 'fact-checked'.
>> 
>>  / 
>> <  DV  >  Gregory Gutenko  
>>  /
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Francisco Torres < 
>> fjtorre...@gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>>> If you are not sure it was the ''first time ever'' why claim it in the 
>>> Vimeo video?
>>> 
>>> 2016-06-26 14:17 GMT-04:00 Tim Halloran >> >:
>>> Cranky Camper. 
>>> 
>>> Regardless, a pretty cool little film Gregory. 
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Fred Camper < 
>>> f...@fredcamper.com 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
 The question of who was first with an  effect is the most unanswerable 
 question in film history. You would have to see every film ever made, 
 including all the ones that have been lost, to answer it.
 Even if you could answer it, what would the answer mean?
 
 Perhaps the first was a 1937 film by an amateur filmmaker in Finland that 
 no one ever saw. So what would that fact signify? Even if "Koyaanisqatsi" 
 "popularized" the effect, does that mean that every subsequent use of it 
 was a result? Surely there are filmmakers since who discovered it on their 
 own. If you are filming a car ride with a camera with single framing, it's 
 kind of an obvious thing to try.
 
 I'm pretty sure I've seen this in lesser known "experimental" films of the 
 1960s.
 Personally, I hope no one tries it again (just kidding, but not 
 completely).
 Fred Camper
 Chicago
 
 On 6/26/2016 10:42 AM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> A historical question:
> 
> What was the first film to do a time-exposed single-frame sequence from a 
> car/driver POV?  Koyaanisqatsi popularized the effect in 1983, but when 
> was it first done?  I worked on a student film in 1975 called Nervous on 
> the Road that featured this technique at mid-point, but surely we weren't 
> the first, were we?  You can check a very compressed file of Nervous out 
> on Vimeo at
> https://vimeo.com/25296928 
> 
> When we did this we were going for the slit-scan look of the stargate 
> sequence from 2001, but that was an animation process and we were doing 
> real-world cinematography with a wind-up Bolex.  It won an award at a 
> film festival in 1997 and was broadcast over four midwest PBS stations in 
> 1980 and not shown since.
> 
> So who originated this effect?
> 
> Gregory Gutenko
> 
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Re: [Frameworks] texts on interlacing

[Kasper Lauritzen]

Wow, very cool film, Albert, and very inventive use of the effect!
Thanks for sharing.

Kasper

2016-06-26 23:13 GMT+02:00 Albert Alcoz :

> Hello Ben,
>
> Here's a video I created some years ago dealing with interlacing aesthetic:
> http://www.albertalcoz.com/2012/11/send-me-copy.html
>
> It was done repeating some frames where the interlace images were
> overemphasized.
>
> Albert
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Gene Youngblood 
> wrote:
>
>> Woody Vasulka pioneered these kinds of investigations vasulka.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 6:18 AM, Laura McGough  wrote:
>>
>> Richard Dienst talks a bit about scanning as an aesthetic in "Still Life
>> in Real Time: Theory After Television"
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Laura
>>
>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 5:00 AM, Ben Gwilliam 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just wondering if anyone knows of any critical texts on video interlacing
>> aesthetics or similar texts that deal with substrate artifact in digital
>> video.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Ben
>>
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>> timeinbetweenspace.tumblrcom
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Re: [Frameworks] History question

[Tim Halloran]

Agreed. Peace.

Tim

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On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Fred Camper 
> wrote:


Cancel my last post. It's been pointed out that you were not replying to me, 
sorry. I don't need to get more involved in all this!

Fred Camper
Chicago

On 6/26/2016 2:42 PM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:
Provocation.  Works for Trump.  But so far we had not been directed to any 
clips of "streaky-lights car POV" footage prior to 1975.  That's why the 
question is out there.  Happy to revise when 'fact-checked'.

 /
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 /



On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Francisco Torres 
<fjtorre...@gmail.com>
 wrote:

If you are not sure it was the ''first time ever'' why claim it in the Vimeo 
video?

2016-06-26 14:17 GMT-04:00 Tim Halloran 
>:
Cranky Camper.

Regardless, a pretty cool little film Gregory.

Tim

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 26, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Fred Camper 
<f...@fredcamper.com> 
wrote:


The question of who was first with an  effect is the most unanswerable question 
in film history. You would have to see every film ever made, including all the 
ones that have been lost, to answer it.

Even if you could answer it, what would the answer mean?

Perhaps the first was a 1937 film by an amateur filmmaker in Finland that no 
one ever saw. So what would that fact signify? Even if "Koyaanisqatsi" 
"popularized" the effect, does that mean that every subsequent use of it was a 
result? Surely there are filmmakers since who discovered it on their own. If 
you are filming a car ride with a camera with single framing, it's kind of an 
obvious thing to try.

I'm pretty sure I've seen this in lesser known "experimental" films of the 
1960s.

Personally, I hope no one tries it again (just kidding, but not completely).

Fred Camper
Chicago

On 6/26/2016 10:42 AM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:

Hello All,

A historical question:

What was the first film to do a time-exposed single-frame sequence from a 
car/driver POV?  Koyaanisqatsi popularized the effect in 1983, but when was it 
first done?  I worked on a student film in 1975 called Nervous on the Road that 
featured this technique at mid-point, but surely we weren't the first, were we? 
 You can check a very compressed file of Nervous out on Vimeo at
https://vimeo.com/25296928

When we did this we were going for the slit-scan look of the stargate sequence 
from 2001, but that was an animation process and we were doing real-world 
cinematography with a wind-up Bolex.  It won an award at a film festival in 
1997 and was broadcast over four midwest PBS stations in 1980 and not shown 
since.

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Re: [Frameworks] History question

[Tim Halloran]

"Attack"? What are you even talking about? I believe the OP was referring to 
the Vimeo description being a "provocation," not your response. 

I, on the other hand, thought your tone in the original reply was definitely 
cranky and judging by this follow-up, you're still having a bad day. 

Sorry about that. 

Tim


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> On Jun 26, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Fred Camper  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6/26/2016 2:42 PM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:
>> Provocation.  Works for Trump
> I'm not going to descend into this kind of ad hominem attack. The "first" 
> question has long been a problem in film history, and I tried to indicate why.
> 
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Re: [Frameworks] History question

[Fred Camper]

Cancel my last post. It's been pointed out that you were not replying to 
me, sorry. I don't need to get more involved in all this!


Fred Camper
Chicago

On 6/26/2016 2:42 PM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:
Provocation.  Works for Trump.  But so far we had not been directed to 
any clips of "streaky-lights car POV" footage prior to 1975.  That's 
why the question is out there.  Happy to revise when 'fact-checked'.


 /
<  DV  >  Gregory Gutenko
 /



On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Francisco Torres > wrote:


If you are not sure it was the ''first time ever'' why claim it in 
the Vimeo video?


2016-06-26 14:17 GMT-04:00 Tim Halloran >:


Cranky Camper.

Regardless, a pretty cool little film Gregory.

Tim

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 26, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Fred Camper > wrote:


The question of who was first with an effect is the most
unanswerable question in film history. You would have to see
every film ever made, including all the ones that have been
lost, to answer it.

Even if you could answer it, what would the answer mean?

Perhaps the first was a 1937 film by an amateur filmmaker in
Finland that no one ever saw. So what would that fact signify?
Even if "Koyaanisqatsi" "popularized" the effect, does that mean
that every subsequent use of it was a result? Surely there are
filmmakers since who discovered it on their own. If you are
filming a car ride with a camera with single framing, it's kind
of an obvious thing to try.

I'm pretty sure I've seen this in lesser known "experimental"
films of the 1960s.

Personally, I hope no one tries it again (just kidding, but not
completely).

Fred Camper
Chicago

On 6/26/2016 10:42 AM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:

Hello All,

A historical question:

What was the first film to do a time-exposed single-frame sequence from a 
car/driver POV?  Koyaanisqatsi popularized the effect in 1983, but when was it 
first done?  I worked on a student film in 1975 called Nervous on the Road that 
featured this technique at mid-point, but surely we weren't the first, were we? 
 You can check a very compressed file of Nervous out on Vimeo at
https://vimeo.com/25296928

When we did this we were going for the slit-scan look of the stargate 
sequence from 2001, but that was an animation process and we were doing 
real-world cinematography with a wind-up Bolex.  It won an award at a film 
festival in 1997 and was broadcast over four midwest PBS stations in 1980 and 
not shown since.

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Re: [Frameworks] texts on interlacing

[Albert Alcoz]

Hello Ben,

Here's a video I created some years ago dealing with interlacing aesthetic:
http://www.albertalcoz.com/2012/11/send-me-copy.html

It was done repeating some frames where the interlace images were
overemphasized.

Albert

On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Gene Youngblood  wrote:

> Woody Vasulka pioneered these kinds of investigations vasulka.org
>
>
>
> On Jun 26, 2016, at 6:18 AM, Laura McGough  wrote:
>
> Richard Dienst talks a bit about scanning as an aesthetic in "Still Life
> in Real Time: Theory After Television"
>
> Best,
>
> Laura
>
> On Jun 26, 2016, at 5:00 AM, Ben Gwilliam 
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just wondering if anyone knows of any critical texts on video interlacing
> aesthetics or similar texts that deal with substrate artifact in digital
> video.
>
> Cheers
> Ben
>
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> timeinbetweenspace.tumblrcom
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Re: [Frameworks] History question

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On 6/26/2016 2:42 PM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:

Provocation.  Works for Trump
I'm not going to descend into this kind of ad hominem attack. The 
"first" question has long been a problem in film history, and I tried to 
indicate why.


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Re: [Frameworks] History question

[Gutenko, Gregory]

Provocation.  Works for Trump.  But so far we had not been directed to any 
clips of "streaky-lights car POV" footage prior to 1975.  That's why the 
question is out there.  Happy to revise when 'fact-checked'.

 /
<  DV  >  Gregory Gutenko
 /



On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Francisco Torres 
> wrote:

If you are not sure it was the ''first time ever'' why claim it in the Vimeo 
video?

2016-06-26 14:17 GMT-04:00 Tim Halloran 
>:
Cranky Camper.

Regardless, a pretty cool little film Gregory.

Tim

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 26, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Fred Camper 
> wrote:


The question of who was first with an  effect is the most unanswerable question 
in film history. You would have to see every film ever made, including all the 
ones that have been lost, to answer it.

Even if you could answer it, what would the answer mean?

Perhaps the first was a 1937 film by an amateur filmmaker in Finland that no 
one ever saw. So what would that fact signify? Even if "Koyaanisqatsi" 
"popularized" the effect, does that mean that every subsequent use of it was a 
result? Surely there are filmmakers since who discovered it on their own. If 
you are filming a car ride with a camera with single framing, it's kind of an 
obvious thing to try.

I'm pretty sure I've seen this in lesser known "experimental" films of the 
1960s.

Personally, I hope no one tries it again (just kidding, but not completely).

Fred Camper
Chicago

On 6/26/2016 10:42 AM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:

Hello All,

A historical question:

What was the first film to do a time-exposed single-frame sequence from a 
car/driver POV?  Koyaanisqatsi popularized the effect in 1983, but when was it 
first done?  I worked on a student film in 1975 called Nervous on the Road that 
featured this technique at mid-point, but surely we weren't the first, were we? 
 You can check a very compressed file of Nervous out on Vimeo at
https://vimeo.com/25296928

When we did this we were going for the slit-scan look of the stargate sequence 
from 2001, but that was an animation process and we were doing real-world 
cinematography with a wind-up Bolex.  It won an award at a film festival in 
1997 and was broadcast over four midwest PBS stations in 1980 and not shown 
since.

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Re: [Frameworks] History question

[Francisco Torres]

If you are not sure it was the ''first time ever'' why claim it in the
Vimeo video?

2016-06-26 14:17 GMT-04:00 Tim Halloran :

> Cranky Camper.
>
> Regardless, a pretty cool little film Gregory.
>
> Tim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 26, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Fred Camper  wrote:
>
> The question of who was first with an  effect is the most unanswerable
> question in film history. You would have to see every film ever made,
> including all the ones that have been lost, to answer it.
>
> Even if you could answer it, what would the answer mean?
>
> Perhaps the first was a 1937 film by an amateur filmmaker in Finland that
> no one ever saw. So what would that fact signify? Even if "Koyaanisqatsi"
> "popularized" the effect, does that mean that every subsequent use of it
> was a result? Surely there are filmmakers since who discovered it on their
> own. If you are filming a car ride with a camera with single framing, it's
> kind of an obvious thing to try.
>
> I'm pretty sure I've seen this in lesser known "experimental" films of the
> 1960s.
>
> Personally, I hope no one tries it again (just kidding, but not
> completely).
> Fred Camper
> Chicago
>
> On 6/26/2016 10:42 AM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> A historical question:
>
> What was the first film to do a time-exposed single-frame sequence from a 
> car/driver POV?  Koyaanisqatsi popularized the effect in 1983, but when was 
> it first done?  I worked on a student film in 1975 called Nervous on the Road 
> that featured this technique at mid-point, but surely we weren't the first, 
> were we?  You can check a very compressed file of Nervous out on Vimeo 
> athttps://vimeo.com/25296928
>
> When we did this we were going for the slit-scan look of the stargate 
> sequence from 2001, but that was an animation process and we were doing 
> real-world cinematography with a wind-up Bolex.  It won an award at a film 
> festival in 1997 and was broadcast over four midwest PBS stations in 1980 and 
> not shown since.
>
> So who originated this effect?
>
> Gregory Gutenko
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Re: [Frameworks] History question

[Tim Halloran]

Cranky Camper.

Regardless, a pretty cool little film Gregory.

Tim

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 26, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Fred Camper 
> wrote:


The question of who was first with an  effect is the most unanswerable question 
in film history. You would have to see every film ever made, including all the 
ones that have been lost, to answer it.

Even if you could answer it, what would the answer mean?

Perhaps the first was a 1937 film by an amateur filmmaker in Finland that no 
one ever saw. So what would that fact signify? Even if "Koyaanisqatsi" 
"popularized" the effect, does that mean that every subsequent use of it was a 
result? Surely there are filmmakers since who discovered it on their own. If 
you are filming a car ride with a camera with single framing, it's kind of an 
obvious thing to try.

I'm pretty sure I've seen this in lesser known "experimental" films of the 
1960s.

Personally, I hope no one tries it again (just kidding, but not completely).

Fred Camper
Chicago

On 6/26/2016 10:42 AM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:

Hello All,

A historical question:

What was the first film to do a time-exposed single-frame sequence from a 
car/driver POV?  Koyaanisqatsi popularized the effect in 1983, but when was it 
first done?  I worked on a student film in 1975 called Nervous on the Road that 
featured this technique at mid-point, but surely we weren't the first, were we? 
 You can check a very compressed file of Nervous out on Vimeo at
https://vimeo.com/25296928

When we did this we were going for the slit-scan look of the stargate sequence 
from 2001, but that was an animation process and we were doing real-world 
cinematography with a wind-up Bolex.  It won an award at a film festival in 
1997 and was broadcast over four midwest PBS stations in 1980 and not shown 
since.

So who originated this effect?

Gregory Gutenko



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Re: [Frameworks] History question

[Gutenko, Gregory]

Ah ha!  Thanks!  I never seen this film.

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Henri Chomette did some of that in 1925 although
he used train tunnels - not sure if headlights
were bright then (see around the two-minute mark
and around 5:40 of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcQdU94mJs4).

There are also some bits in Man Ray's Retour à la raison from 1923.



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Re: [Frameworks] History question

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Henri Chomette did some of that in 1925 although 
he used train tunnels - not sure if headlights 
were bright then (see around the two-minute mark 
and around 5:40 of 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcQdU94mJs4).


There are also some bits in Man Ray's Retour à la raison from 1923.



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Re: [Frameworks] History question

[Fred Camper]

The question of who was first with an  effect is the most unanswerable 
question in film history. You would have to see every film ever made, 
including all the ones that have been lost, to answer it.


Even if you could answer it, what would the answer mean?

Perhaps the first was a 1937 film by an amateur filmmaker in Finland 
that no one ever saw. So what would that fact signify? Even if 
"Koyaanisqatsi" "popularized" the effect, does that mean that every 
subsequent use of it was a result? Surely there are filmmakers since who 
discovered it on their own. If you are filming a car ride with a camera 
with single framing, it's kind of an obvious thing to try.


I'm pretty sure I've seen this in lesser known "experimental" films of 
the 1960s.


Personally, I hope no one tries it again (just kidding, but not completely).

Fred Camper
Chicago

On 6/26/2016 10:42 AM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:

Hello All,

A historical question:

What was the first film to do a time-exposed single-frame sequence from a 
car/driver POV?  Koyaanisqatsi popularized the effect in 1983, but when was it 
first done?  I worked on a student film in 1975 called Nervous on the Road that 
featured this technique at mid-point, but surely we weren't the first, were we? 
 You can check a very compressed file of Nervous out on Vimeo at
https://vimeo.com/25296928

When we did this we were going for the slit-scan look of the stargate sequence 
from 2001, but that was an animation process and we were doing real-world 
cinematography with a wind-up Bolex.  It won an award at a film festival in 
1997 and was broadcast over four midwest PBS stations in 1980 and not shown 
since.

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Re: [Frameworks] Peter Hutton

[Gene Youngblood]

I carry this indelible image of Peter: we were walking down a street on a 
blustery day here in Santa Fe, deep in passionate discussion, when we came upon 
a huge Cottonwood tree swaying majestically in the wind, as if in slow motion. 
It was an arresting sight. We paused for a while then walked on, me continuing 
the thought that had been interrupted, when I realized Peter wasn’t beside me. 
I turned around to see him a block behind, still standing where we had stopped. 
“Of  course,” I thought to myself, “that isn’t just anyone staring at the tree, 
that’s Peter Hutton, seeing it through the frame of all those shimmering films 
he has given us.” I walked back to join him and we stood in silence, transfixed 
by the Cottonwood’s great mass undulating like the surface of a rolling sea. 

A year or so later, in 2007, Peter happened to be in Albuquerque for Bryan 
Konefsky’s Experiments in Cinema festival at the same time as my retirement 
party at the College of Santa Fe, so he was able to be there. I felt honored by 
his presence. I had shown his films for 36 of the 38 years I taught the history 
of experimental film, tracking the evolution of an artistic vision that 
epitomized our noble tradition. For me it was perfect closure. A photo is here: 
https://www.facebook.com/gene.youngblood.7 
 


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> 
> This is a very sad news. Peter Hutton will always continue to live through 
> his films.
> 
> 2016-06-26 13:26 GMT+02:00 Benjamin Léon  >:
> It's a very sad news. ​I'm shocked. 
> 
> 2016-06-26 4:02 GMT+02:00 o...@thenowcorporation.com 
>   >:
> I'm sorry to hear this. my condolences.
> 
> Owen's mobile device
> 
> 
> 
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> 
>> It's hard to process, Dominic. I saw him in early February and he looked and 
>> seemed his usual self. Talked to him last Sunday and he was hopeful he could 
>> recover.
>> 
>> So sad.
>> Scott
>> 
>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 7:29 PM, Dominic Angerame 
>> > wrote:
>> OMG this is terrible. I knew Peter for many years through Canyon Cinema and 
>> am shocked to hear of his passing. We hung out in Paris when we both were 
>> showing films at the Fondation Cartier in a show by Paul Virilio. 
>> 
>> He told me stories of his life in the early days of Canyon Cinema and he 
>> built the shelving units that still remain in the archives with his name on 
>> it.
>> 
>> I just do not know what to say.
>> 
>> With great sadness
>> 
>> Dominic
>> 
>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Scott MacDonald > > wrote:
>> Dear Frameworkers,
>> 
>> I write in deep sorrow, with terrible news: Peter Hutton died today.
>> 
>> As many of you know first-hand, Peter was one of the loveliest people who 
>> ever walked the earth--and one of the great filmmakers. 
>> 
>> He is survived by his daughter Manon and his wife Carolina Gonzalez 
>> Hutton--and by a body of astonishingly beautiful films. And by the hundreds 
>> of students who studied with him over the years.
>> 
>> Peter died of a virulent lung cancer.
>> 
>> In his last days he heard from many old and new friends--and when I spoke to 
>> him last Sunday, he was upbeat and hopeful.
>> 
>> What, really, can one say?
>> 
>> If I learn news that might be of interest to Frameworks, I'll be back in 
>> touch
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
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[Frameworks] History question

[Gutenko, Gregory]

Hello All,

A historical question:

What was the first film to do a time-exposed single-frame sequence from a 
car/driver POV?  Koyaanisqatsi popularized the effect in 1983, but when was it 
first done?  I worked on a student film in 1975 called Nervous on the Road that 
featured this technique at mid-point, but surely we weren't the first, were we? 
 You can check a very compressed file of Nervous out on Vimeo at
https://vimeo.com/25296928

When we did this we were going for the slit-scan look of the stargate sequence 
from 2001, but that was an animation process and we were doing real-world 
cinematography with a wind-up Bolex.  It won an award at a film festival in 
1997 and was broadcast over four midwest PBS stations in 1980 and not shown 
since.

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Re: [Frameworks] texts on interlacing

[Gene Youngblood]

Woody Vasulka pioneered these kinds of investigations vasulka.org 
 



> On Jun 26, 2016, at 6:18 AM, Laura McGough  wrote:
> 
> Richard Dienst talks a bit about scanning as an aesthetic in "Still Life in 
> Real Time: Theory After Television"
> 
> Best,
> 
> Laura 
> 
> On Jun 26, 2016, at 5:00 AM, Ben Gwilliam  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Just wondering if anyone knows of any critical texts on video interlacing 
>> aesthetics or similar texts that deal with substrate artifact in digital 
>> video.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Ben
>> 
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>> timeinbetweenspace.tumblrcom
>> 
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Re: [Frameworks] texts on interlacing

[Laura McGough]

Richard Dienst talks a bit about scanning as an aesthetic in "Still Life in 
Real Time: Theory After Television"

Best,

Laura 

> On Jun 26, 2016, at 5:00 AM, Ben Gwilliam  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just wondering if anyone knows of any critical texts on video interlacing 
> aesthetics or similar texts that deal with substrate artifact in digital 
> video.
> 
> Cheers
> Ben
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Re: [Frameworks] Peter Hutton

[Raquel Schefer]

This is a very sad news. Peter Hutton will always continue to live through
his films.

2016-06-26 13:26 GMT+02:00 Benjamin Léon :

> It's a very sad news. ​I'm shocked.
>
> 2016-06-26 4:02 GMT+02:00 o...@thenowcorporation.com <
> o...@thenowcorporation.com>:
>
>> I'm sorry to hear this. my condolences.
>>
>> Owen's mobile device
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 25, 2016, at 9:16 PM, Scott MacDonald 
>> wrote:
>>
>> *It's hard to process, Dominic. I saw him in early February and he looked
>> and seemed his usual self. Talked to him last Sunday and he was hopeful he
>> could recover.*
>>
>> *So sad.*
>> *Scott*
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 7:29 PM, Dominic Angerame <
>> dominic.anger...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> OMG this is terrible. I knew Peter for many years through Canyon Cinema
>>> and am shocked to hear of his passing. We hung out in Paris when we both
>>> were showing films at the Fondation Cartier in a show by Paul Virilio.
>>>
>>> He told me stories of his life in the early days of Canyon Cinema and he
>>> built the shelving units that still remain in the archives with his name on
>>> it.
>>>
>>> I just do not know what to say.
>>>
>>> With great sadness
>>>
>>> Dominic
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Scott MacDonald 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 *Dear Frameworkers,*

 *I write in deep sorrow, with terrible news: Peter Hutton died today.*

 *As many of you know first-hand, Peter was one of the loveliest people
 who ever walked the earth--and one of the great filmmakers. *

 *He is survived by his daughter Manon and his wife Carolina Gonzalez
 Hutton--and by a body of astonishingly beautiful films. And by the hundreds
 of students who studied with him over the years.*

 *Peter died of a virulent lung cancer.*

 *In his last days he heard from many old and new friends--and when I
 spoke to him last Sunday, he was upbeat and hopeful.*

 *What, really, can one say?*

 *If I learn news that might be of interest to Frameworks, I'll be back
 in touch*

 *Scott*

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Re: [Frameworks] Peter Hutton

[Benjamin Léon]

It's a very sad news. ​I'm shocked.

2016-06-26 4:02 GMT+02:00 o...@thenowcorporation.com <
o...@thenowcorporation.com>:

> I'm sorry to hear this. my condolences.
>
> Owen's mobile device
>
>
>
> On Jun 25, 2016, at 9:16 PM, Scott MacDonald 
> wrote:
>
> *It's hard to process, Dominic. I saw him in early February and he looked
> and seemed his usual self. Talked to him last Sunday and he was hopeful he
> could recover.*
>
> *So sad.*
> *Scott*
>
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 7:29 PM, Dominic Angerame <
> dominic.anger...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> OMG this is terrible. I knew Peter for many years through Canyon Cinema
>> and am shocked to hear of his passing. We hung out in Paris when we both
>> were showing films at the Fondation Cartier in a show by Paul Virilio.
>>
>> He told me stories of his life in the early days of Canyon Cinema and he
>> built the shelving units that still remain in the archives with his name on
>> it.
>>
>> I just do not know what to say.
>>
>> With great sadness
>>
>> Dominic
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Scott MacDonald 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> *Dear Frameworkers,*
>>>
>>> *I write in deep sorrow, with terrible news: Peter Hutton died today.*
>>>
>>> *As many of you know first-hand, Peter was one of the loveliest people
>>> who ever walked the earth--and one of the great filmmakers. *
>>>
>>> *He is survived by his daughter Manon and his wife Carolina Gonzalez
>>> Hutton--and by a body of astonishingly beautiful films. And by the hundreds
>>> of students who studied with him over the years.*
>>>
>>> *Peter died of a virulent lung cancer.*
>>>
>>> *In his last days he heard from many old and new friends--and when I
>>> spoke to him last Sunday, he was upbeat and hopeful.*
>>>
>>> *What, really, can one say?*
>>>
>>> *If I learn news that might be of interest to Frameworks, I'll be back
>>> in touch*
>>>
>>> *Scott*
>>>
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[Frameworks] texts on interlacing

[Ben Gwilliam]

Hi all,
Just wondering if anyone knows of any critical texts on video interlacing aesthetics or similar texts that deal with substrate artifact in digital video.
Cheers
Ben
thosesoundsbetween.co.UK
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