Re: [Frameworks] Advice on combining different frame rates and definitions in adobe premiere

[Marcin Gizycki]

In my opinion you are right. I do not have any problems working with different 
ratios, resolutions and speeds in Premiere Pro CC.
Marcin


From: FrameWorks  On Behalf Of Chris 
Freeman
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 11:19 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Advice on combining different frame rates and 
definitions in adobe premiere

I gotta say I do this all the time in Final Cut X and it handles everything I 
throw at it with no issues.  I don't know Premier, but it has got to be 
comparable.

It's good that you know all the different frame rates and resolutions you have. 
 Decide first what resolution and frame rate you want the final video to be and 
then you can scale up or down some of the footage as needed.





On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 1:37 PM Samirah Alkassim 
mailto:deris...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello,

This is a question for advanced editors: if anyone has experience mixing 
(digital) footage shot using different frame rates and definitions, and editing 
them in Adobe Premiere Pro, please let me know.

I have footage shot in 29.97 in SD,  25 fps in HD, and was thinking about 
adding archival footage in 24 fps that is also SD.

I know it is folly to do so, but am interested in seeing if it's possible.

The important interview shots are in 25 fps HD. It seems to make sense to 
convert everything else (especially if sync sound doesn't matter) to 25, but 
will the SD become letterboxed?

Thanks,
Samirah
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Re: [Frameworks] books on animation theory?

[Marcin Gizycki]

The newest one: “Global Animation Theory” - 
https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/global-animation-theory-9781501337130/
There is a plethora of books on animation theory.
Marcin Giżycki

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Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 6:06 PM
To: Frameworks 
Subject: [Frameworks] books on animation theory?

I'm looking for books on animation theory, not about animation how-to or 
history of, but articles, anthologies, texts that discuss theories of 
animation. Any suggestions of titles?
Thank you!
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Re: [Frameworks] movie scenes

[Marcin Gizycki]

Is The Earth Round? (Kas maakera on ümmargune?, 1977), Priit Pärn.

From: FrameWorks  On Behalf Of Gene 
Youngblood
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:28 PM
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Subject: [Frameworks] movie scenes

I got a lot of great responses the last time I did this, so here we go again:

I’m looking for scenes or sequences in which the protagonist is shown walking 
through the world. It could be a big city or a spectacular countryside. Could 
be a wayfarer on some kind of journey. Sometimes done with lap dissolves, 
sometimes just a series of shots. Anything approximatikng that will be 
appreciated and acknowledged.


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Re: [Frameworks] Recently completed animation restoration

[Marcin Gizycki]

Very nice! Great job!
Marcin Gizycki

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Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 9:45 PM
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Subject: [Frameworks] Recently completed animation restoration

For a little diversion I offer a little project I've just completed. A full 
restoration of an animation produced by the very talented Fred Burns at USC in 
1974, with a soundtrack by George Winston.
95% of the original art still existed. It was scanned for color and matte at 
6K, and in the French software TVPaint was re-imagined at 4K.
This approach eliminated the traditional problems of neutral density of the cel 
stacks associated with traditional rostrum photography, and offered other 
"liberties" taken with the art to create this new version.
This was a test / proof of performance for a larger ongoing project Fred and I 
are working on.
Enjoy.

https://vimeo.com/403043854

Casey Herbert
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Flying Foto Factory, Inc.
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Re: [Frameworks] Trump Virus

[Marcin Gizycki]

Why?
MG

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Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 9:10 PM
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Trump Virus

Please do refrain from mixing U.S. politics into this experimental film 
international forum.
r.

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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 17:12:32 -0600
Subject: [Frameworks] Trump Virus


Frameworkers, I think we should all start calling it the Trump Virus. By his 
actions he’s murdering thousands of people. Lets go viral with this.



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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 19:40:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Trump Virus

Let's not, it's world-wide and giving it that name taints everything.

- Alan

On Sat, 28 Mar 2020, Gene Youngblood wrote:

>
>
> Frameworkers, I think we should all start calling it the Trump Virus. By his
> actions he?s murdering thousands of people. Lets go viral with this.
>
>

web http://www.alansondheim.org/index.html cell 347-383-8552
current text http://www.alansondheim.org/wx.txt




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Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 19:10:47 -0500
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Trump Virus

On 3/28/2020 6:40 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>
> Let's not, it's world-wide and giving it that name taints everything.
>
> - Alan
>
Yes,

Let's not even discuss him here.

When expressing opinions about him elsewhere, I try to never use his
name. I also try to avoid insults in his style, though some are quire
fun, "The Orange Monster" and the like. I use 'the current American
president," "the current occupant," or similar. He profits, in a sense,
with every mention of his "brand." And we should not turn FrameWorks
into a political discussion group, or we could be swamped. There are
other places for that.

Fred Camper
Chicago




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From: Scott MacDonald mailto:smacd...@hamilton.edu>>
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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 20:14:37 -0400
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Trump Virus
Agreed. The president would profit from this--it would just confirm his way of 
dealing with people, as Fred says.

He is "successful" because he is great at drawing all attention to himself. He 
doesn't need our help.

Scott
Central NY

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 8:11 PM Fred Camper 
mailto:f...@fredcamper.com>> wrote:

On 3/28/2020 6:40 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>
> Let's not, it's world-wide and giving it that name taints everything.
>
> - Alan
>
Yes,

Let's not even discuss him here.

When expressing opinions about him elsewhere, I try to never use his
name. I also try to avoid insults in his style, though some are quire
fun, "The Orange Monster" and the like. I use 'the current American
president," "the current occupant," or similar. He profits, in a sense,
with every mention of his "brand." And we should not turn 

Re: [Frameworks] Experimental Animation over live action

[Marcin Gizycki]

Chris,
This subject cannot be exhausted! Many short films by Walerian Borowczyk 
(France/Poland), almost all films by Hieronim Neumann (Poland), just to mention 
a few filmmakers whom you might not known (check Bendazzi’s books). I am not 
mentioning Norman McLaren and “Who Framed Roger Rabbit” and hundreds of better 
known examples. Almost all early animated cartoons opened with a live action 
sequence, usually a hand drawing a character. You can check one of my films 
here: https://vimeo.com/325992395, password: Wasilewski.
Best,
Marcin Giżycki

From: FrameWorks  On Behalf Of Ruth 
Hayes
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 6:18 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Experimental Animation over live action

Hi Chris,

Svankmajer’s films, both shorts and features, commonly intermix live action and 
animation, to the extent that you frequently can’t tell where one ends and the 
other starts, foregrounding the idea that animation (especially stop-motion) is 
another form of editing.
Also, Passo, by Ale Abreu, is one of my current favorites. You can see it here: 
http://moebiusanimacion.com/videos/passo/

Ruth
http://www.randommotion.com
blogs.evergreen.edu/hayesr


On Oct 21, 2019, at 4:50 AM, Albert Alcoz 
mailto:albertal...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello Chris,

Some artists that mixes live action with animation are:
ATZUR: https://atzur.info/

Martha Colburn: https://marthacolburn.com/

Jodie Mack: https://www.jodiemack.com/

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 5:00 AM Christopher Ball 
mailto:cbifi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yes, I made one:  It is on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRiGzHKpUaY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VaM9hPGI_o

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 10:32 PM Chris Rodriguez 
mailto:rodriguezchris...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi everyone!

I’m planning on making an experimental student film that mixes live action with 
animation and I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions that we could use 
as reference/ inspiration. Thanks in advance!

Chris Rodriguez
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Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

[Marcin Gizycki]

Adam,
Are you asking where the money for our awards comes from? Mostly from the city 
of Poznan. Also from the Polish Film Institute and other public institutions.
Best,
Marcin

From: FrameWorks  On Behalf Of Adam 
Hyman
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 11:38 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List  

Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

Paid for by whom?

Best,

Adam

From: FrameWorks 
mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
 on behalf of Marcin Gizycki mailto:mgizy...@hotmail.com>>
Reply-To: "Experimental Film Discussion List 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>" 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 5:43 PM
To: "Experimental Film Discussion List 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>" 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

Ok., Tim,
I understand. One correction to my previous email. The Grand Prix at Animator 
equals $15,000.
Best,
Marcin

From: FrameWorks 
mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
 On Behalf Of Dimitrije Martinovic
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:39 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

I agree with you, DIY-start your own screenings,  I would love to collaborator 
with anyone interested in trying this one.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 8:06 PM Tim Halloran 
mailto:televis...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Marcin, why did you assume I was being sarcastic? I was quite serious. Just 
saying we should stop crying about it and reimagine the whole festival 
paradigm. DIY.

Tim
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Marcin Gizycki 
mailto:mgizy...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Tim, sarcasm is not necessary here. I started such a festival long time ago: 
Animator in Poznan, Poland. We do not charge any fee and the Grad Prix equals 
$1500 thousand dollars.
Yours,
Marcin

From: FrameWorks 
mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
 On Behalf Of Chris Lange
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 7:27 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

Maybe they should provide more money to the festival film viewers / jury to do 
a fully honest and cognizant job of selecting.  That's important work, which 
for some festivals sometimes seems like a bit of a bs configuration.  Though, 
it is the festival viewer / critic that spends the sometimes difficult and 
time-consuming work of assessing all of these films.

If they're making more money and not expanding their festivals, why not pay 
some of the artists?

It also seems like this is a case-by-case.





On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Tim Halloran 
mailto:televis...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Start your own filmmaker-friendly festivals.

Tim
Sent from my iPad

On Apr 30, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Marcin Gizycki 
mailto:mgizy...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I am bothered more by the fact that festivals charge a lot of money not giving 
much in exchange. Most of them simply exploits filmmakers.
Marcin

From: FrameWorks 
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Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:52 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

festival scams.
Owen



On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Mark Street 
mailto:mstreet...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There's not good way to hear "we didn't take your film".  But the breathless 
intro  "We got 5 million entries!..." has always irritated me.

Mark Street
www.markstreetfilms.com<http://www.markstreetfilms.com/>

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:11 PM Dominic Angerame 
mailto:dominic.anger...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Every film festival is telling me that they have received record number of 
entries from hundreds to thousands. If entries are increasing should not the 
scope and duration of the festivals increase to accommodate the record numbers. 
Increased entries also mean increased income to the festivals.

A question to the community

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Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

[Marcin Gizycki]

Ok., Tim,
I understand. One correction to my previous email. The Grand Prix at Animator 
equals $15,000.
Best,
Marcin

From: FrameWorks  On Behalf Of 
Dimitrije Martinovic
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:39 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

I agree with you, DIY-start your own screenings,  I would love to collaborator 
with anyone interested in trying this one.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 8:06 PM Tim Halloran 
mailto:televis...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Marcin, why did you assume I was being sarcastic? I was quite serious. Just 
saying we should stop crying about it and reimagine the whole festival 
paradigm. DIY.

Tim
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Marcin Gizycki 
mailto:mgizy...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Tim, sarcasm is not necessary here. I started such a festival long time ago: 
Animator in Poznan, Poland. We do not charge any fee and the Grad Prix equals 
$1500 thousand dollars.
Yours,
Marcin

From: FrameWorks 
mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
 On Behalf Of Chris Lange
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 7:27 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

Maybe they should provide more money to the festival film viewers / jury to do 
a fully honest and cognizant job of selecting.  That’s important work, which 
for some festivals sometimes seems like a bit of a bs configuration.  Though, 
it is the festival viewer / critic that spends the sometimes difficult and 
time-consuming work of assessing all of these films.

If they’re making more money and not expanding their festivals, why not pay 
some of the artists?

It also seems like this is a case-by-case.





On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Tim Halloran 
mailto:televis...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Start your own filmmaker-friendly festivals.

Tim
Sent from my iPad

On Apr 30, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Marcin Gizycki 
mailto:mgizy...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I am bothered more by the fact that festivals charge a lot of money not giving 
much in exchange. Most of them simply exploits filmmakers.
Marcin

From: FrameWorks 
mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
 On Behalf Of o...@thenowcorporation.com<mailto:o...@thenowcorporation.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:52 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

festival scams.
Owen



On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Mark Street 
mailto:mstreet...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There's not good way to hear "we didn't take your film".  But the breathless 
intro  "We got 5 million entries!..." has always irritated me.

Mark Street
www.markstreetfilms.com<http://www.markstreetfilms.com/>

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:11 PM Dominic Angerame 
mailto:dominic.anger...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Every film festival is telling me that they have received record number of 
entries from hundreds to thousands. If entries are increasing should not the 
scope and duration of the festivals increase to accommodate the record numbers. 
Increased entries also mean increased income to the festivals.

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Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

[Marcin Gizycki]

Tim, sarcasm is not necessary here. I started such a festival long time ago: 
Animator in Poznan, Poland. We do not charge any fee and the Grad Prix equals 
$1500 thousand dollars.
Yours,
Marcin

From: FrameWorks  On Behalf Of Chris 
Lange
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 7:27 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

Maybe they should provide more money to the festival film viewers / jury to do 
a fully honest and cognizant job of selecting.  That’s important work, which 
for some festivals sometimes seems like a bit of a bs configuration.  Though, 
it is the festival viewer / critic that spends the sometimes difficult and 
time-consuming work of assessing all of these films.

If they’re making more money and not expanding their festivals, why not pay 
some of the artists?

It also seems like this is a case-by-case.






On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Tim Halloran 
mailto:televis...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Start your own filmmaker-friendly festivals.

Tim
Sent from my iPad

On Apr 30, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Marcin Gizycki 
mailto:mgizy...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I am bothered more by the fact that festivals charge a lot of money not giving 
much in exchange. Most of them simply exploits filmmakers.
Marcin

From: FrameWorks 
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Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:52 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

festival scams.
Owen



On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Mark Street 
mailto:mstreet...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There's not good way to hear "we didn't take your film".  But the breathless 
intro  "We got 5 million entries!..." has always irritated me.

Mark Street
www.markstreetfilms.com<http://www.markstreetfilms.com/>

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:11 PM Dominic Angerame 
mailto:dominic.anger...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Every film festival is telling me that they have received record number of 
entries from hundreds to thousands. If entries are increasing should not the 
scope and duration of the festivals increase to accommodate the record numbers. 
Increased entries also mean increased income to the festivals.

A question to the community

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Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

[Marcin Gizycki]

I am bothered more by the fact that festivals charge a lot of money not giving 
much in exchange. Most of them simply exploits filmmakers.
Marcin

From: FrameWorks  On Behalf Of 
o...@thenowcorporation.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:52 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

festival scams.
Owen



On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Mark Street 
mailto:mstreet...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There's not good way to hear "we didn't take your film".  But the breathless 
intro  "We got 5 million entries!..." has always irritated me.

Mark Street
www.markstreetfilms.com

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:11 PM Dominic Angerame 
mailto:dominic.anger...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Every film festival is telling me that they have received record number of 
entries from hundreds to thousands. If entries are increasing should not the 
scope and duration of the festivals increase to accommodate the record numbers. 
Increased entries also mean increased income to the festivals.

A question to the community

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Re: [Frameworks] Labyrinths and Avant-Garde Cinema or Experimental Media

[Marcin Gizycki]

Labyrinth, Piotr Kamler, France, 1969,  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijnTkBWu-b4
Pan’s Labyrinth, Guillermo del Torro, Spain, 2006
Aquatura, Marcin Giżycki, Poland, 2010, https://vimeo.com/39517040


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Peter Burr: Labyrinths
http://www.sfcinematheque.org/screenings/peter-burr-labyrinths/


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Hello all,

I'm doing a research about the presence of the labyrinth on films and videos

I was wondering if someone can give me some references wether they are movies 
or books or articles or exhibitions.

There are some really known works like the ending of The Shinning (1980) or 
Labyrinth (1986) but i'm more interested on artist practices.

Right now i have managed to list this titles:

LABYRINTH (1962) Jan Lenica
Electronic Labyrinth: THX 1138 4EB (1967) George Lucas
In the Labyrinth (1967) Colin Low, Roman Kroitor, Hugh O'Connor (project at 
Expo 67)
Reading of an Extract from Labyrinths by J.L. Borges (1970) David Lamelas
Labyrinthe (1979) Veronique Mori
Meikyu-tan (1975) Terayama Shūji
Withershings (1995) Gary Hill (installlation)
Labyrinth (2012) Yves-Marie Mah
Any suggestion will be welcomed.

All the best,
Albert
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Re: [Frameworks] Films about darkness

[Marcin Gizycki]

Has anybody mentioned Hurlements en faveur de Sade by Guy Debord?
Marcin Giżycki

From: FrameWorks  On Behalf Of Daniel 
A. Swarthnas
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 11:57 AM
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Films about darkness

Hi Albert!

Some of the films I was thinking about, have already been mentioned by other 
people, but you have of course the very great "black" films by Stan Brakhage 
which Nicky Hamlyn writes about in "Stan Brakhage: Realm Buster" (John Libbey 
publishing, 2018).

You can also try to check out this two films (it is almost black leaders during 
the whole films):
Gregory Markopoulos - Gammelion (1968)
João César Monteiro - Branca de Neve (Snow White)

Btw, Anouk de Clercq's film Black is on 35mm, not 16mm.

Good luck

Daniel


Daniel A. Swarthnas
Filmmaker / Writer / Film programmer
Cinema Parenthèse / Turbidus Film / Filmform
swarth...@mail.com
+46(0)705778603


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Hello John,

Thank you very much for your suggestion. The other day  I watched The Black 
Tower for second time and i felt it is exactly the sort if film i was looking 
for.

That's for sure you don't remember but we met some years ago in Italy at the 
Lucca Film festival and later we exchanged some words at the Punto de Vista in 
Pamplona, the year you came with Dad's Stick.

I'm explaining this just to ask you if you have a transcription of the voices 
over of the The Black Tower. The idea is to include some seconds for a video 
essay for the Soy Cámara program of the B.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJeHI7FwAuM=2s

If you don't have it i will try to translate some seconds in order to use it to 
explain different ideas about darkness and cinema.

All the best,
Albert

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My film ‘The Black Tower’ (1985-87)
http://johnsmithfilms.com/selected-works/the-black-tower/
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Re: [Frameworks] The Eastern Europe Screening Spaces (CONTACTS NEEDED!).

[Marcin Gizycki]

Hi Ben,
Please contact me via my private email. I am in Warsaw, Poland, now. I would 
like to know more about your project. I might have some suggestions.
Marcin Gizycki
mgiży...@risd.edu

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russell
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:34 AM
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Subject: [Frameworks] The Eastern Europe Screening Spaces (CONTACTS NEEDED!).

All,

I'm making a research trip for a new project in September, will be driving from 
Finland to Greece (via 
Estonia-Latvia-Lithuania-Poland-Ukraine-Romania-Moldova-Bulgaria) and would 
love to present a live / cinema / performance program (<>) along the way.

My virtual rolodex is empty and I'm in need of contacts of all sorts.  To that 
end, this is a request for connections to any of the following:

cinemas / galleries / art spaces / communes / collectives / DIY venues / 
musicians / filmmakers / poets / programmers / festivals / etc

...especially in or around any of the spots listed below.  If y'all have any 
tips for radical castles / portals / magic mountains to see along the way, 
please let me know!  Here's a list of places I might pass through from 
approximately 9/5-9/30:

FINLAND > Helsinki
ESTONIA > Tallinn
LATVIA > Riga
LITHUANIA > Vilnius, Kaunas
POLAND > Bialystok, Warsaw, Lublin
UKRAINE > Chernobyl (!), Kiev, Uman
MOLDOVA > Chisinau
ROMANIA > Onesti, Bran, Bucharest
BULGARIA > Sofia, Plovdiv
GREECE > Thessaloniki, Athens

Thanks thanks thanks thanks!
Yes,

BR

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Re: [Frameworks] Entertaining the film

[Marcin Gizycki]

Polish feature Escape from the ‘Liberty' Cinema (original title: Ucieczka z 
kina ‘Wolność’).
Marcin Gizycki

From: FrameWorks  On Behalf Of Nicole 
Baker
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 2:48 AM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: [Frameworks] Entertaining the film

Hey frameworkers!

I'm trying to gather together a list of films where a person or persons enter 
into the film world/narrative.
I know I've seen it, but can't think of any examples! Besides that Take on Me 
music video (which is close but no cigar).
Examples from TV would work too.

Thanks everyone!
Nicole
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Re: [Frameworks] Painting directly to film

[Marcin Gizycki]

Maybe somebody has already pointed to this: 
https://lux.org.uk/writing/revisiting-brakhage-4-abstract-expressionism-nature-radical-aspiration-film.
 It seems so obvious. Although I have never painted directly in film,  I have 
achieved “abstract expressionistic” effects using mu own technique which I call 
aquamation. Here is a link to the film titled “AE” which is an obvious 
reference to abstract expressionism: https://vimeo.com/47829480.
Best,
Marcin Gizycki

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Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 9:06 PM
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Subject: [Frameworks] Painting directly to film

Can anyone site an example of “abstract expressionist” painting onto film prior 
to 1968?  (Hopefully with online viewing availability).


https://vimeo.com/220986135


Myron Ort
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Re: [Frameworks] Noteworthy Publications This Year?

[Marcin Gizycki]

Boro, L’le d’amour: The Films of Walerian Borowczyk
Edited by Kamila Kuc, Kuba Mikurda, Michal Oleszczyk

Animation – A World History (in 3 volumes)
by Giannalberto Bendazzi

Best,

Marcin Gizycki


From: Adam Hyman 
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 5:59 PM
To: mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com 
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Noteworthy Publications This Year?

Alternative Projections: Experimental Film in Los Angeles, 1945-1980
Edited by David E. James & Adam Hyman

L.A. Rebellion: Creating a New Black Cinema
Edited by Allyson Nadia Field, Jan-Christopher-Horak, and Jacqueline Najuma 
Stewart

Also, the last Millennium Film Journal focused on new books.

Best,

Adam

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Scott MacDonald's revelatory,  
BINGHAMTON BABYLON: VOICES FROM THE CINEMA DEPARTMENT 1967-1977

PAPER AIRPLANES: The Collections of Harry Smith Catalogue Raisonne Vol I

STRING FIGURES: The Collections of Harry Smith Catalogue Raisonne , Vol. II 

Editors- John Klacsmann
   Andrew Lampert

CHROMATIC ALGORITHMS: SYNTHETIC COLOR, COMPUTER ART, and AESTHETICS AFTER CODE

- Carolyn L. Kane
("Life is won by wresting colors from the past."
-Gilles Deleuze )

FANTASIA OF COLOR IN EARLY CINEMA
- Tom Gunning et al.

THE EXPERIENCE MACHINE: STAN VANDERBEEK'S MOVIE-DROME 
AND EXPANDED CINEMA
-Gloria Sutton

Jane (Brakhage) Wodening's book:
BRAKHAGE'S CHILDHOOD

(Haven't read this yet but I certainly intend to.
Recommended by someone 
whose opinion
I hold in the highest regard.)


On Dec 29, 2015, at 12:01 PM, Michael Betancourt wrote:


  What were the noteworthy publications this year? My reading pile has gotten 
smaller...


  Michael Betancourt
  Savannah, GA USA


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Re: [Frameworks] Contemporary films in James Whitney or Syncretismtradition?

[Marcin Gizycki]

Hi,

Here is a link to a trailer of my film dedicated to the Whitney Brothers: 
https://vimeo.com/72089241. Give me your private e-mail and I will send you a 
link to the full version. 

Marcin Gizycki
mgizy...@hotmail.com


From: Kasper Lauritzen 
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 12:26 PM
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com 
Subject: [Frameworks] Contemporary films in James Whitney or 
Syncretismtradition?

Dear Frameworks readers,

I'm a university student in Denmark who's currently researching on experimental 
film for a project application, and I was hoping some of you might have some 
recommendations for contemporary works.

Right now I'm trying to trace some classic genres or forms to contemporary 
times to see how their technique and technology have expanded and how the forms 
have developed.

So far I have been looking at the hand-painted film and how it has been 
expanded by optical printing (for example in the late Stan Brakhage's 
collaborations with Sam Bush) and other kinds of re-photographing (for example 
Stephanie Maxwell's working process).

Another interest has been Jodie Mack whose work with animating textiles I link 
to the hyper-animation principle behind Robert Breer's Eye Wash, but which 
also draws on graphic design, theory of ornament and more.

Anyway, there are two more forms where I was hoping some of you could 
recommend some contemporary films that work in and explore these traditions.

The first is the sort of atomized animation form that is known from James 
Whitney's Yantra and Lapis (and to some extent Jordan Belson's Allures). 
What I mean by that is works where the image is atomized into some sort of 
particles that move through regular mathetical paths and result in 
shape-shifting patterns. The important thing is that the particles shift 
between order and disorder within seconds, while maintaining a sense of 
mathematical system below them.
I know that Wiley Wiggins has made some Whitney-inspired animations (for 
example one called Catalog - https://vimeo.com/13882251 ) but I was wondering 
who else is out there.

The other form is the classical Brakhage style where the screen provides a 
continuous synthesis of images where different 'realms' are juxtaposed and 
transcended - for example the micro- and macro-scopic, the inside and outside 
of an object, different material status (photographed, hand-painted, 
computer-generated, or others, and these in combination), and so on. This form 
is related to what Youngblood calls syncretism in Expanded Cinema. The 
latest example I could find of this was Brakhage's Yggdrasil (1997) but I was 
hoping to find some later works, perhaps even by younger generations of 
filmmakers.

Just to specify, by comtemporary I mean works produced in this century, and 
I'm hoping to find films that have their own artistic vision with the form 
rather than just making tributes.

All help will be appreciated :)

Best regards,
Kasper




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Re: [Frameworks] Fwd: Your membership in the mailing list FrameWorks has been disabled

[Marcin Gizycki]

Yeah, I agree, this is annoying and something has to be done about it. I do not 
want to be forced to re-activate myself every few months. 

Marcin


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I get this sporadically too.  I re-activated myself just the other day.
 



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Re: [Frameworks] The Films of Bruce Checefsky

[Marcin Gizycki]

Bruce,

Do you remember who's made a film that consists of a continuous dissolve 
from black screen to white or vice versa? I think it is a fluxfilm but I am 
not sure.


By the way, I learned today that my 'FFF1' got the Best Experimental Short 
Award at IFS--Independent Filmmakers Showcase.


Best,

Marcin


-Original Message- 
From: Bruce Checefsky

Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:08 PM
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Subject: [Frameworks] The Films of Bruce Checefsky

Please Post --

The Films of Bruce Checefsky
Cleveland Cinematheque
Thursday, April 3, 6:45pm

Bruce Checefsky is a photographer and Director of the Reinberger Galleries 
at the Cleveland Institute of Art. For the past 13 years he has also 
moonlighted as a maker of short, independent films that have shown widely 
around the world—from MoMA and the Anthology Film Archives to the Tate 
Modern and the Rotterdam Film Festival. Checefsky has carved out a unique 
niche for himself by reimagining and making abstract and avant-garde Eastern 
European shorts from the 1920s to the 1940s that were either lost, 
destroyed, or conceived/scripted but never filmed. Checefsky’s completion of 
a new movie, Witch’s Cradle (2014), affords us an opportunity to show all 
eight of his visually dazzling short films in one comprehensive program. 
Witch’s Cradle reimagines an unfinished, now lost 1943 short by pioneering 
experimental filmmaker Maya Deren (Meshes of the Afternoon). Deren shot her 
film with Marcel Duchamp in Peggy Guggenheim’s Art of This Century Gallery 
in New York; it was intended to be an exploration of the magical qualities 
of objects in the space. Checefsky’s Cleveland-made remake stars CIA alum 
Margaret Stamm. Also showing: Pharmacy (2001), A Woman and Circles (2003), 
IN NI (Others) (2005), Moment Musical (2006), Béla (2010), et al. Bruce 
Checefsky will answer audience questions after the screening. Cleveland 
Cinematheque, 11141 East Boulevard, Cleveland, OH 44106 
http://cia.edu/cinematheque/film-schedule/2014/04/the-films-of-bruce-checefsky



Thank you --- 
BRUCE CHECEFSKY

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Re: [Frameworks] banned films?

[Marcin Gizycki]

Banned films? Look for these in former communist countries. You will find 
really banned films there, not excluded from this or that screening. Look 
for filmmakers like Eisenstein, Medvedkin, Vertov, Svankamajer, Czekala, 
Kijowicz, and many others.


Best,

Marcin Gizycki

-Original Message- 
From: Scott Stark

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Subject: [Frameworks] banned films?

Hi friends, I'm looking for ideas for a banned films program for a
local (Austin) erotica-based film festival. Flaming Creatures is
definitely top of the list. Any ideas for other films that have been
banned, censored or otherwise disparaged for risque content?
(experimental preferred)

thanks,
Scott


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Re: [Frameworks] Films about painting as action/gesture

[Marcin Gizycki]

Do you know this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BiFwUzybE0?
It is an abstract film of 1958 that shows the process of painting a picture by 
Tadeusz Kantor (1915-1990) who was a Polish abstract painter and a well know 
theater director. This film can be found on a DVD ‘Polish Experimental 
Animation’ that I have put together. There is more good stuff on it. 
Best,
Marcin Gizycki
From: Robert Cargni Mitchell 
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 12:39 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Films about painting as action/gesture

A few years back @ IHP we screened the complete traveling series called DEL 
ÉXTASIS AL ARREBATO (FROM ECSTASY TO RAPTURE): 50 years of alternative Spanish 
film offered by the CCCB in Barcelona. Contained within the series was a film 
by Basque director and painter, José Antonio Sistiaga. The film ‘…ere erera 
baleibu izik subua aruaren…’ (José Antonio Sistiaga/1968-70. Colour, 35mm, 
silent. 70 mins.). The film's title signifying a series of random and 
meaningless words is a remarkable film. Itself, is the first feature-length 
film in the history of Spanish cinema painted entirely in the camera-less 
animation technique. Sistiaga uses 35mm celluloid as a blank, transparent 
canvas, directly applying paint onto the film employing different techniques. 
Taking 17 months to complete, and lacking figurative elements or sound 
accompaniment, the result is an indescribable experience and designed to be 
experienced projected in a darkened cinema.



Best,





Robert E. Cargni  
Associate Director of Arts
Senior Curator



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Re: [Frameworks] sand animation examples?

[Marcin Gizycki]

Ferenc Caco (Hungary) who specializes in sand animation, early films by 
Caroline Leaf, Aleksandra Korejwo (Poland, although formally she uses salt), 
Kseniya Simonova (Ukraine), a number of other Central and Eastern Europeans. 
'The Sand Castel' by Co Hoedeman is in fact stop motion film, not a sand 
animation per se.


Marcin


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From: Stephanie Hutin

Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 10:52 PM
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Subject: [Frameworks] sand animation examples?

Hello everyone,

I always appreciate the insightful and thoughtful to questions like these, 
so here is another:


I am planning to give a lecture and workshop on straight-ahead sand 
animation this week in my animation class.  I would like to update my 
examples list with things I may not be familiar with.  Any suggestions for 
sand animation that are not the usual suspects?  Thanks!


Best,
Stephanie




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Mosbacher Gartrell Center for Media Experimentation and Activism
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Re: [Frameworks] Experimental film in the Czech Republic

[Marcin Gizycki]

I hope that one day people in the West will learn that the Czech Republic, 
Slovakia, Slovenia, and other Central European countries are not the same. 
The Anca Fest takes place in Zilina, Slovakia, not in Olomuc, the Czech 
Republic. The are other film festivals in Olomuc and the Czech Republic but 
certainly not the Anca Fest.

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 The Anca Fest in Olomuc is very good.
 http://www.festanca.sk


 At 9:41 -0700 30/09/12, Jake B. wrote:
I'm just getting settled in to the Czech Republic and was wondering
if anyone could tell me if there are any decent festivals or
screening spaces for experimental film. I've asked around but
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Re: [Frameworks] experimental film festival research

[Marcin Gizycki]

The most important (and arguably the biggest) experimental film festival ever 
(Competition du film experimental) took place in Brussels in 1958 in 
conjunction with the Brussels World's Fair (Expo '58). The list of 
participating filmmakers is impressive: Brakhage, Whitney, Clarke, Hubley, 
Jackobs, Breer, Anger, Menken, Maas, Jordan, d'Avino, Deren, Vanderbeek (all of 
course from the US), Goretta  Tanner (both representing England at the time!), 
Kaplan, Reichenbach, Varda, Franju, Mitry, Gruel (France), Gross (Israel), 
Hirsh (Netherlands), Kubelka (Austria), Polanski (Poland), and many others. The 
Grand Prix went to Borowczyk and Lenica from Poland for House - a total 
surprise since nobody in the West knew that experimental films where made on 
the other side of the Iron Curtain. The third prize went to Polanski and his 
now famous Two Men with a Wardrobe. There was also a feature experimental 
film competition taking place simultaneously. Again the Grand Prix went to a 
Polish filmmaker (and writer): Tadeusz Konwicki for his The Last Day of 
Summer.  

Best,

Marcin Gizycki



From: Greg DeCuir 
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 11:06 PM
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All:


Thank you to everyone who replied to me, on list and off.  I will continue to 
be in touch with people, as I have been replying directly to private emails.  



Best regards,


Greg de Cuir, Jr.




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Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2012 1:18 PM
Subject: experimental film festival research



All:


Hello.  I am preparing a new research project on the history of 
experimental/avant-garde film festivals and thought I might ask the list for 
advice.  I am primarily interested in the early history of these film festivals 
(pre-1980s) and would love to know about any throughout the world that should 
be included in this study.  I am particularly interested in the history of 
Knokke Experimental Film Festival and would also love to know if anyone has 
research materials on this festival, or possibly oral narratives they would be 
willing to share.  Thank you in advance for your ideas.


Best regards,


Greg de Cuir, Jr.
Selector/Programmer, Alternative Film/Video Belgrade
http://www.alternativefilmvideo.org/








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