Re: [Frameworks] Video works unviewable due to lost apparatus?
The Pompidou Center is guarding a large Chris Marker installation that runs on 386 computers and they are worried that these may break down and will not be fixable or replaceable. At 10:24 +0200 15/05/13, Lundgren wrote: Or those anyone have examples of other famous artist with video works (or similair) lost due to the fact that we don't have any machines to watch it anymore?___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Video works unviewable due to lost apparatus?
Hi there there's been a show in the Kunstmuseum Lucerne (Switzerland) in 2008 with video-art from the 70ies and 80ies (Swiss Video) curated by a group of art historians and restaurators. the catalogue has texts also on the difficulties of presenting such work after 20-30 years. there is an english version of this with the ISBN 978-3-03764-053-1. it's been published through jrp ringier and distributed also in the US. Schubiger, Irene: Schweizer Videokunst der 1970er und 1980er Jahre. Eine Rekonstruktion. English: Reconstructing Swiss Video Art from the 1970s 1980s see e.g.: http://www.artbook.com/9783037640548.html cheers! Fred Am 15.05.2013 um 10:24 schrieb Lundgren: I know that once on this list somebody mentioned that there was a Andy Warhol work that was done on a video system which had no surviving video players. I've tried to search the list unable to find any information. Does anyone know of this and have a decent (preferable academically scrutinize-able) source for it? Or those anyone have examples of other famous artist with video works (or similair) lost due to the fact that we don't have any machines to watch it anymore? Björn Lundgren Sweden ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Video works unviewable due to lost apparatus?
See Callie Angell's article on Warhol's Inner and Outer Space in From Stills to Motion and Back Again, published by Presentation House Gallery, Vancouver. The Warhol videos were done in 1965 on a Norelco slant-scan machine, which no longer exists and apparently cannot be found. (There weren't many made.) As Callie points out in a footnote, Inner and Outer Space (a 16mm film in which some of these videos are seen playing on a monitor) is now the best preservation of any of those videos. She also mentions something I hadn't noticed before - that excerpts from these videos were played as part of a show at the Whitney in 1991. I'm not sure how that was done - perhaps there was still a machine available at the time? Warhol made several of these videos during the time he had the recorder, but I'm not aware of any documentation of what was actually on most of them. Besides the Edie Sedgwick tapes, the only other one of which I'm aware is a haircut video done with Billy Name. Various articles by Callie Angell in other publications mention the tapes as well. Andy Ditzler On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:24 AM, Lundgren 50lundg...@telia.com wrote: ** I know that once on this list somebody mentioned that there was a Andy Warhol work that was done on a video system which had no surviving video players. I've tried to search the list unable to find any information. Does anyone know of this and have a decent (preferable academically scrutinize-able) source for it? Or those anyone have examples of other famous artist with video works (or similair) lost due to the fact that we don't have any machines to watch it anymore? Björn Lundgren Sweden ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Video works unviewable due to lost apparatus?
ZKM Karlsruhe Germany: They are collectinig old machines even as spare parts. we gave them some of our old video equipment. They digitize old arts-videos and save them on LTO tapes ZKM | Laboratory for Antiquated Video Systems The ZKM | Laboratory for Antiquated Video Systems, founded in 2004, is the only such research facility in Europe. Here methods are developed to restore decades old videotape and rare tape cassette formats which are largely no longer playable. With equipment consisting of more than 300 devices, the laboratory is in the position to convert almost 50 various video formats from the mid-1960s to the 1980s into high-quality digital form and so secure them for the long-term. The goal of the laboratory is the scientific restoration, preservation and archival storage of the ZKM's singular holdings with the help of equipment from private and public sources: a digital Noah's Arch that saves media art from vanishing. Works of video art that in many cases have not been showable for more than 30 years, or only in bad copies, can now be seen again in their original quality. The same is true of rare video documentation of art events from the 1960s and 70s. The rescued audio-visual material is made available to the public at exhibitions, in DVD editions and in the collections of the ZKM | Media Library.][ http://on1.zkm.de/zkm/stories/storyReader$5575 Best Regards Hannes Hannes Karnick · dokumentarfilm / recherche / konzeptionen · Heidelberger Landstr. 89 · 64297 Darmstadt · Germany · MOBIL +49 171 3188711 · EMAIL hannes.karn...@docfilm.de -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com]Im Auftrag von Fred Truniger Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Mai 2013 13:49 An: Experimental Film Discussion List Betreff: Re: [Frameworks] Video works unviewable due to lost apparatus? Hi there there's been a show in the Kunstmuseum Lucerne (Switzerland) in 2008 with video-art from the 70ies and 80ies (Swiss Video) curated by a group of art historians and restaurators. the catalogue has texts also on the difficulties of presenting such work after 20-30 years. there is an english version of this with the ISBN 978-3-03764-053-1. it's been published through jrp ringier and distributed also in the US. Schubiger, Irene: Schweizer Videokunst der 1970er und 1980er Jahre. Eine Rekonstruktion. English: Reconstructing Swiss Video Art from the 1970s 1980s see e.g.: http://www.artbook.com/9783037640548.html cheers! Fred Am 15.05.2013 um 10:24 schrieb Lundgren: I know that once on this list somebody mentioned that there was a Andy Warhol work that was done on a video system which had no surviving video players. I've tried to search the list unable to find any information. Does anyone know of this and have a decent (preferable academically scrutinize-able) source for it? Or those anyone have examples of other famous artist with video works (or similair) lost due to the fact that we don't have any machines to watch it anymore? Björn Lundgren Sweden ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks image001.jpg___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Video works unviewable due to lost apparatus?
One of my grad students, Marina Hassapopoulou, has just finished a dissertation about Interactive Cinema, where she talks extensively about such lost works and also about the problems of remediation (representation of these works in forms and on platforms other than the original). She traces the history of IC starting in the 50s and 60s and reconstructs what she can from the documents available about these works and their presentation. It's all very interesting stuff. Another former student who might prefer to remain nameless was talking about the situation of digital works that had been acquired by MoMA. Apparently they only collected the media (like DVD-ROMs) and didn't have the foresight to think about the hardware and software necessary to play them back. Not sure what kind of progress they're making on creating emulators or digging up the original technology since she told me about this several years ago, but it is an interesting (and obvious) dilemma. Isn't this why we on this list are making works on super 8mm and 16mm? No worries about my 40-year-old projectors suddenly being incompatible with my prints... R. On May 15, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Andy Ditzler wrote: See Callie Angell's article on Warhol's Inner and Outer Space in From Stills to Motion and Back Again, published by Presentation House Gallery, Vancouver. The Warhol videos were done in 1965 on a Norelco slant-scan machine, which no longer exists and apparently cannot be found. (There weren't many made.) As Callie points out in a footnote, Inner and Outer Space (a 16mm film in which some of these videos are seen playing on a monitor) is now the best preservation of any of those videos. She also mentions something I hadn't noticed before - that excerpts from these videos were played as part of a show at the Whitney in 1991. I'm not sure how that was done - perhaps there was still a machine available at the time? Warhol made several of these videos during the time he had the recorder, but I'm not aware of any documentation of what was actually on most of them. Besides the Edie Sedgwick tapes, the only other one of which I'm aware is a haircut video done with Billy Name. Various articles by Callie Angell in other publications mention the tapes as well. Andy Ditzler On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:24 AM, Lundgren 50lundg...@telia.commailto:50lundg...@telia.com wrote: I know that once on this list somebody mentioned that there was a Andy Warhol work that was done on a video system which had no surviving video players. I've tried to search the list unable to find any information. Does anyone know of this and have a decent (preferable academically scrutinize-able) source for it? Or those anyone have examples of other famous artist with video works (or similair) lost due to the fact that we don't have any machines to watch it anymore? Björn Lundgren Sweden ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Video works unviewable due to lost apparatus?
Bjorn, I suppose it depends somewhat on how you determine art and who is famous. Video technology has been constantly evolving since it's invention, and the oldest tools can be very very difficult to find, though if an old machine can be found, and the engineering skill, will, and funds are available, a tool could be refurbished and an unplayable work reanimated. The tapes themselves, with entropy and decay, are perhaps even more transient than the machines, though I suppose it is more poignant to have a tape without a player than a dead tape. An interesting place to look is ETVC's History site. http://www.experimentaltvcenter.org/view_biblio_tools?page=1 A good starting point for investigating video work that has survived through format transfer might be ℅ Video Data Bank. http://www.vdb.org/titles/surveying-first-decade-video-art-and-alternative-media-us-1968-1980. On May 15, 2013, at 4:24 AM, Lundgren wrote: I know that once on this list somebody mentioned that there was a Andy Warhol work that was done on a video system which had no surviving video players. I've tried to search the list unable to find any information. Does anyone know of this and have a decent (preferable academically scrutinize-able) source for it? Or those anyone have examples of other famous artist with video works (or similair) lost due to the fact that we don't have any machines to watch it anymore? Björn Lundgren Sweden ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Video works unviewable due to lost apparatus?
Thank you all for your responses! - Original Message - From: Lundgren To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:24 AM Subject: [Frameworks] Video works unviewable due to lost apparatus? I know that once on this list somebody mentioned that there was a Andy Warhol work that was done on a video system which had no surviving video players. I've tried to search the list unable to find any information. Does anyone know of this and have a decent (preferable academically scrutinize-able) source for it? Or those anyone have examples of other famous artist with video works (or similair) lost due to the fact that we don't have any machines to watch it anymore? Björn Lundgren Sweden -- ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Video works unviewable due to lost apparatus?
Actually, in addition the ZKM, there is Guy Spiller in Richmond, VA who has been a wealth of resources on obscure video formats. But.. a transverse scanning Norelco? I think you'd have to build a machine to play it back, but since you wouldn't have to do it in realtime the scanner precision wouldn't be as bad as it would for a Quad machine or something. It would be doable but expensive. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
