Re: Breaking build world costs $5? (was: Can we please have acurrent that compiles?)

2000-05-15 Thread Paul Richards

"Brian W. Buchanan" wrote:
 
 On Mon, 15 May 2000, Greg Lehey wrote:
 
   I see this money scheme as an extension of the "finger pointing"
   which does nothing to build team spirit.
 
  That depends very much on the way it's taken.  At the moment, people
  take the pointy hat voluntarily, not because it's forced on them.
  It's my expectation that the $5 should be in the the same spirit.
 
 Exactly... it's not meant to be a complicated system of fines or to
 discourage people from developing (at Desktop, we certainly don't want
 that!), it's just a little bit of good-natured public humiliation to
 encourage people to think (and maybe test) before they commit. :-)

The only problem being that at Desktop you can drop the $5 into the fine
box when you leave work but I'd have to walk down the bank and either do
a wire transfer or send an international money order. Apart from the
hassle involved there's the fact that all told it will cost me in the
region of $30-40 to pay the fine!

A nice idea but not very practical for the FreeBSD project.

Paul.


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Re: Breaking build world costs $5? (was: Can we please have acurrent that compiles?)

2000-05-15 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner

On Mon 2000-05-15 (11:43), Paul Richards wrote:
 The only problem being that at Desktop you can drop the $5 into the fine
 box when you leave work but I'd have to walk down the bank and either do
 a wire transfer or send an international money order. Apart from the
 hassle involved there's the fact that all told it will cost me in the
 region of $30-40 to pay the fine!
 
 A nice idea but not very practical for the FreeBSD project.

The way I read it:

"If you happen to be around a bunch of developers, and have some extra
change, use the fact you broke world as an excuse to (help) buy them a
round of drinks.  Mention that it's because you broke world, and have a
laugh about it."

If you happen to be at BSDCon, so much the better, and may there be many
merry nights of drunken revelry.  It's team-building (ick!) in the fact
that it gives you an easy opportunity to thank the people who work with
you on the project, and to continue the pointy-hat metaphor for further
amusement.

There is no obligation, nor should there be.  That's not how the project
works, after all.

Neil
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Re: Breaking build world costs $5? (was: Can we please have acurrent that compiles?)

2000-05-15 Thread Frank Mayhar

Narvi wrote:
 On Mon, 15 May 2000, Paul Richards wrote:
  The only problem being that at Desktop you can drop the $5 into the fine
  box when you leave work but I'd have to walk down the bank and either do
  a wire transfer or send an international money order. Apart from the
  hassle involved there's the fact that all told it will cost me in the
  region of $30-40 to pay the fine!
  A nice idea but not very practical for the FreeBSD project.
 Just theoretically, there are e-gold and other payment things that are all
 that tied to things like 'geographical location'...

I'll tell you what.  If folks agree, I can add a SKU to my store for a
"FreeBSD broken build" item.  Cost $5.00, no tax or shipping.  You can
use a credit card (AmEx, Visa, MC) or send me a check.  (I'll absorb the
credit card overhead, hell, 2% of $5.00 is only ten cents.)  I'll stick it back
and when I have accumulated a reasonable amount (say, at least $50) I'll
send a check to Jordan.  Or if he'll give me a billing address, I could
probably just do an EFT straight into the FreeBSD Project's account every
time I received one of these.

So, does this make sense?  Or is it a dumb idea?  For that matter, the FreeBSD
Mall site could do the same thing.
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Re: Breaking build world costs $5? (was: Can we please have acurrent that compiles?)

2000-05-15 Thread Narvi


On Mon, 15 May 2000, Paul Richards wrote:

 "Brian W. Buchanan" wrote:
  
  On Mon, 15 May 2000, Greg Lehey wrote:
  
I see this money scheme as an extension of the "finger pointing"
which does nothing to build team spirit.
  
   That depends very much on the way it's taken.  At the moment, people
   take the pointy hat voluntarily, not because it's forced on them.
   It's my expectation that the $5 should be in the the same spirit.
  
  Exactly... it's not meant to be a complicated system of fines or to
  discourage people from developing (at Desktop, we certainly don't want
  that!), it's just a little bit of good-natured public humiliation to
  encourage people to think (and maybe test) before they commit. :-)
 
 The only problem being that at Desktop you can drop the $5 into the fine
 box when you leave work but I'd have to walk down the bank and either do
 a wire transfer or send an international money order. Apart from the
 hassle involved there's the fact that all told it will cost me in the
 region of $30-40 to pay the fine!
 
 A nice idea but not very practical for the FreeBSD project.
 

Just theoretically, there are e-gold and other payment things that are all
that tied to things like 'geographical location'...

 Paul.
 
 
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Re: Breaking build world costs $5? (was: Can we please have acurrent that compiles?)

2000-05-14 Thread Brian W. Buchanan

On Mon, 15 May 2000, Greg Lehey wrote:

  I see this money scheme as an extension of the "finger pointing"
  which does nothing to build team spirit.
 
 That depends very much on the way it's taken.  At the moment, people
 take the pointy hat voluntarily, not because it's forced on them.
 It's my expectation that the $5 should be in the the same spirit.

Exactly... it's not meant to be a complicated system of fines or to
discourage people from developing (at Desktop, we certainly don't want
that!), it's just a little bit of good-natured public humiliation to
encourage people to think (and maybe test) before they commit. :-)

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