RE: load spike strangeness
On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, FreeBSD wrote: list if you insist on attacking me there. Maybe Karl was right, some people in the FreeBSD organization really do think they are above the rest of us. I however do not share that belief. So, are you done? If you had half of the etiquette and knowledge on e-mail you previously have stated you have, you'd realize that phk doesn't (nor does anyone with a @FreeBSD.org) speak for the FreeBSD organization. Please crawl back into the hole you came out of. -- - bill fumerola - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: load spike strangeness
Since when does an E-mail address require a "realname"? Only a imbecile (IMHO) would use their real name on an e-mail that goes out to a public list. I don't want people to know my real name or SSN or any other personal info for that matter, NOR is it required, as far as I know. If it were to become required, I'd prefer to "unsubscribe" than to give that info out, as would any other intelligent person. I suggest you check your e-mail security information again before babbling nonsense. My e-mail addy is a REAL addy not one that goes through an anonymous re-mailer and I use it so IF I start getting Spam I can easily rmuser it and create another to resubscribe. Do you also use you real full name on IRC? To quote "Mr. T": "I pity da f00!" I think he was talking about the text that accompanies your e-mail address. E.g. Bill Gates billy@micro$.com and Bill Gates william@micro$.com is the same user for human processing, but 2 completely different people when it comes to spam. Sometimes I long for the days when people on The Internet were just a few and netiquette ruled the day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: load spike strangeness
At 8:29 PM -0800 2000/1/8, FreeBSD wrote: Again, I ask, if all you want to do is flame, take it to private e-mail and let's leave the lists out of this. I don't think you get the point. If you continue to use an alias (as opposed to your real name), then it looks like everyone is just going to filter out your e-mail, and therefore it will do no good whatsoever to attempt to continue to post here. And if you go too far in this questionable behaviour, we may have to ask the FreeBSD Postmaster to remove you from the mailing lists and put you into the "spam" filters so that you are no longer capable of sending anything to the lists. Please cease and desist, before you do more damage to yourself and the lists. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy |o| Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]Belgacom Skynet NV/SA |o| |o| Systems Architect, News FTP Admin Rue Col. Bourg, 124 |o| |o| Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.11.11/12.49 B-1140 Brussels |o| |o| http://www.skynet.be Belgium |o| \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Unix is like a wigwam -- no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside. Unix is very user-friendly. It's just picky who its friends are. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: load spike strangeness
At 4:48 AM -0800 2000/1/9, Amancio Hasty wrote: For instance, just because someone has an email name which resembles a real name lets say "Brad Knowles" does not necessarily mean that the real "Brad Knowles is sending the mail assuming of course that there is a Brad Knowles. I've built up enough history over the years (all the while using my real name and a real e-mail address, although the address has changed over the years as I've changed employers, etc...) that you can go do some AltaVista or Hotbot searches and find enough stuff that I've written that we can be reasonably sure that this really is me. I may not be proud of some of the stupid things I've done or said over the years, but I'll own up to them regardless. I'd say that the same is probably true of most of the people posting to the various lists. Let me put another way I sure hope we don't assume that any given email truly identifies the individual and that the person is legally responsible for his email handle. No more than you can be sure that a particular PGP key belongs to the person it claims to belong to, or that a person who presents you with a drivers license that claims to tell you their name or address. However, in the case of electronic discussions, there is likely to be enough history available that you can be reasonably sure you're dealing with the same person who claims to go by the same name, even if that isn't their real name. It's hard to make the same kinds of connections with an alias. Yes, Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton published the Federalist Papers under assumed names, because that was necessary at the time in order to avoid the potential legal consequences of the British finding out who the real authors were. However, I sincerely doubt that any such claim can be made today for posting to one of the FreeBSD mailing lists. Claims of "needing" anonymity in cases like this just aren't likely to be very well received, and the more strident the claimer becomes in their "need" to remain hidden, the more likely people are to either try to unmask the jerk or to decide to simply start ignoring them. If you want to post in a public place like this, and you want other people to be able to help you or carry on an intelligent conversation with you, I would suggest that taking the extremely anti-social approach of using an alias is one of the worst possible things you could as a first step. It won't help stop the spam, and it will just annoy the people you'd want to be talking to. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy |o| Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]Belgacom Skynet NV/SA |o| |o| Systems Architect, News FTP Admin Rue Col. Bourg, 124 |o| |o| Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.11.11/12.49 B-1140 Brussels |o| |o| http://www.skynet.be Belgium |o| \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Unix is like a wigwam -- no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside. Unix is very user-friendly. It's just picky who its friends are. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: load spike strangeness
snip At 8:29 PM -0800 2000/1/8, FreeBSD wrote: Again, I ask, if all you want to do is flame, take it to private e-mail and let's leave the lists out of this. I don't think you get the point. If you continue to use an alias (as opposed to your real name), then it looks like everyone is just going to filter out your e-mail, and therefore it will do no good whatsoever to attempt to continue to post here. I don't think YOU get it. I don't care if I'm filtered, that's your right. I'm not about to post my personal info to a public list. If I'm not taken seriously, fine. If I'm filtered, fine. If people don't like it, fine. It's not going to change. And if you go too far in this questionable behaviour, we may have to ask the FreeBSD Postmaster to remove you from the mailing lists and put you into the "spam" filters so that you are no longer capable of sending anything to the lists. What's so questionable about protecting personal info in a public list? Why don't you include your SSN, mother maiden name, home phone and home address while you're at it? I'd suggest reading some web pages about internet security (I don't mean the hacking exploit kind) they all say to keep as much personal info off the net as possible. As I've stated before if the charters are changed to demand personal info to be subscribed I'll unsubscribe because my personal info is not, and should not be, public information. Please cease and desist, before you do more damage to yourself and the lists. I will NOT. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy |o| Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]Belgacom Skynet NV/SA |o| |o| Systems Architect, News FTP Admin Rue Col. Bourg, 124 |o| |o| Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.11.11/12.49 B-1140 Brussels |o| |o| http://www.skynet.be Belgium |o| \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Unix is like a wigwam -- no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside. Unix is very user-friendly. It's just picky who its friends are. FreeBSD [EMAIL PROTECTED] "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: load spike strangeness
SNIP Indeed, I could adduser bknowels and use/be Brad Knowels (for all you know my name could also be Brad Knowels) if he prefers. I'm not like that though. Some people just aren't happy if they aren't complaining about something. I agree. It would be nice if this thread would die. I have seen "FreeBSD" posting to lists for a while now and never saw anyone else complain. If you don't like it, just filter him out of your inbox, but please...there's been too much cat fighting on this list lately. Amancio Hasty [EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeBSD [EMAIL PROTECTED] "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: load spike strangeness
more snippage At 4:48 AM -0800 2000/1/9, Amancio Hasty wrote: For instance, just because someone has an email name which resembles a real name lets say "Brad Knowles" does not necessarily mean that the real "Brad Knowles is sending the mail assuming of course that there is a Brad Knowles. I've built up enough history over the years (all the while using my real name and a real e-mail address, although the address has changed over the years as I've changed employers, etc...) that you can go do some AltaVista or Hotbot searches and find enough stuff that I've written that we can be reasonably sure that this really is me. I may not be proud of some of the stupid things I've done or said over the years, but I'll own up to them regardless. I'd say that the same is probably true of most of the people posting to the various lists. Let me put another way I sure hope we don't assume that any given email truly identifies the individual and that the person is legally responsible for his email handle. No more than you can be sure that a particular PGP key belongs to the person it claims to belong to, or that a person who presents you with a drivers license that claims to tell you their name or address. However, in the case of electronic discussions, there is likely to be enough history available that you can be reasonably sure you're dealing with the same person who claims to go by the same name, even if that isn't their real name. It's hard to make the same kinds of connections with an alias. Yes, Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton published the Federalist Papers under assumed names, because that was necessary at the time in order to avoid the potential legal consequences of the British finding out who the real authors were. However, I sincerely doubt that any such claim can be made today for posting to one of the FreeBSD mailing lists. Look, show me in the mailing list charters where it says I must use my realname or shut-the-snip-up. If you don't like it filter me, I've already said I don't care. The Patriots you use as examples risked death by hanging. We merely risk identity theft and financial ruin. Unfortunately for you, I'm not willing to take that risk. Claims of "needing" anonymity in cases like this just aren't likely to be very well received, and the more strident the claimer becomes in their "need" to remain hidden, the more likely people are to either try to unmask the jerk or to decide to simply start ignoring them. Again, I don't care if it's well received, I'm not here for a popularity contest. Mr. Bushong had a problem and I replied with a tidbit of possible info. If you disagree, fine. If you don't like it, too bad. Other than that, get a life. If you want to post in a public place like this, and you want other people to be able to help you or carry on an intelligent conversation with you, I would suggest that taking the extremely anti-social approach of using an alias is one of the worst possible things you could as a first step. Anti-social? Are you for real? Please post your Social Security Number, home address, home phone, drivers license #, mothers maiden name and date of birth, Mr. nothing-to-hide-in-a-public-list. Since when does personal info preclude an exchange of information? I might, now, suggest therapy for you Mr. Knowles. It won't help stop the spam, and it will just annoy the people you'd want to be talking to. What makes you think I want to be talking to a self-righteous bore, with no respect for peoples privacy in a day and age of identity theft? You, Brad, have just made my filter list as I hope I've made yours. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy |o| Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]Belgacom Skynet NV/SA |o| |o| Systems Architect, News FTP Admin Rue Col. Bourg, 124 |o| |o| Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.11.11/12.49 B-1140 Brussels |o| |o| http://www.skynet.be Belgium |o| \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Unix is like a wigwam -- no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside. Unix is very user-friendly. It's just picky who its friends are. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: load spike strangeness
SNIP Indeed, I could adduser bknowels and use/be Brad Knowels (for all you know my name could also be Brad Knowels) if he prefers. I'm not like that though. Some people just aren't happy if they aren't complaining about something. I agree. It would be nice if this thread would die. I have seen "FreeBSD" posting to lists for a while now and never saw anyone else complain. If you don't like it, just filter him out of your inbox, but please...there's been too much cat fighting on this list lately. Amen! I thought this was finished last night, but NOOOooooo. FreeBSD [EMAIL PROTECTED] "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: load spike strangeness
Can we please end this discussion? End it now. It's of no importance to me or, I venture to say, the postmaster whether or not someone wishes to use an alias in these mailing lists and it's certainly not a topic which follows the charter for the FreeBSD-current mailing list. In fact, the only clear violation of the mailing list charters I've seen here so far is rampant cross-posting (which has resulted in more than a few nasty-grams going out) and the discussion of this topic in all the wrong forums. This should have gone to -chat on the first day since it had ABSOLUTELY NO PLACE in -stable, -current or -security and whomever first cross-posted it to all three lists needs to seriously have their head checked. If I had enough energy to look through the logs and find the first perpetrator, I'd add them to the filter right now just for having a room temperature IQ. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: load spike strangeness
[ Moved to chat ] [Multiple irrelevant mailing-lists snipped.] On Sat, 8 Jan 2000 18:31:19 -0800, "FreeBSD" [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Since when does an E-mail address require a "realname"? As Sherlock Holmes once said: ``It is always unpleasant dealing with an alias.'' plonk Boo... Hisss Nate ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: load spike strangeness
[Multiple irrelevant mailing-lists snipped.] On Sat, 8 Jan 2000 18:31:19 -0800, "FreeBSD" [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Since when does an E-mail address require a "realname"? As Sherlock Holmes once said: ``It is always unpleasant dealing with an alias.'' plonk -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same [EMAIL PROTECTED] | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: load spike strangeness
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2000 8:08 PM To: FreeBSD Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD. ORG Subject: Re: load spike strangeness snip I think you are not only obnoxius, you are also dead wrong. Sherlock Holmes was *by principle* against anononymity. As I might have mentioned before, I really don't care what you think. I'm not here for a popularity contest. Holmes was still fictional and therefore not capable of having principles save the ones written for him. Since he was written in a time with NO internet, who do you think you are to say what he would have recommended for security's sake? At least *I* have the decency to say "It's my belief" whereas you are so high-and-mighty as to perpetrate that you KNOW what his character would do. Your omnipotence offends me and you, too, are the newest addition to my mail filter. Anyway, into the mail-filter you go... See above. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! Again, I ask, if all you want to do is flame, take it to private e-mail and let's leave the lists out of this. I will, however, reply to the list if you insist on continuing. While my original reply to this thread was relevant, your feeble attack is not and yes, I feel I have the right to reply to the list if you insist on attacking me there. Maybe Karl was right, some people in the FreeBSD organization really do think they are above the rest of us. I however do not share that belief. So, are you done? FreeBSD [EMAIL PROTECTED] "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: RE: load spike strangeness
: : :Since when does an E-mail address require a "realname"? Only a imbecile :(IMHO) would use their real name on an e-mail that goes out to a public :list. I don't want people to know my real name or SSN or any other personal :info for that matter, NOR is it required, as far as I know. If it were to :become required, I'd prefer to "unsubscribe" than to give that info out, as :would any other intelligent person. I suggest you check your e-mail security :information again before babbling nonsense. My e-mail addy is a REAL addy :not one that goes through an anonymous re-mailer and I use it so IF I start :getting Spam I can easily rmuser it and create another to resubscribe. Do :you also use you real full name on IRC? To quote "Mr. T": "I pity da f00!" : :FreeBSD :[EMAIL PROTECTED] : :"LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" It depends on whether you want people to take you seriously or not. Frankly, not using your real name puts you at a disadvantage right off the bat. Personally speaking, I use my real name to add to the glory of all the Matt Dillon's out there in the world, so people will remember the name after I die, and be refering to me, myself, and I! I don't plan on going out as a red-shirt. :-) -Matt Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: load spike strangeness
FreeBSD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in list.freebsd-stable: Overclocking is *NEVER* recommended Neither is posting anonymously (without a realname). (Sorry -- Back to the topic.) I have to admit that I've seen the same symptoms, and I have no idea what's causing it. It happenes very irregularly (and rarely), but it clearly _does_ happen sometimes. It doesn't seem to be related to any particular hardware or FreeBSD ver- sion, I have seen it on both 3.x and 4.0-current boxes. On some machines it never happened at all (including some busy servers), at least not while I was logged in and watched it (it's possible that it happened without me noticing at all). It _seems_ to happen preferably when a long-time CPU hog has run (and terminated) recently, such as setiathome. The load goes up to 1.0 and stays there for some time (could be a few minutes, or an hour maybe even a few hours), then drops back to 0.0 for no apparent reason. During that period of load 1.0, there is no activity. CPU is 100% idle. There is no process that consumes any significant amounts of CPU time. The box feels fast and responds quickly to interactive work. vmstat looks perfectly normal (like an idle machine). I have come to the conclusion that it must be a subtle bug somewhere in the kernel's calculation of the load averages. I tried to track it down in the kernel sources, but without success. Since it didn't seem to have any ill effects, but just being a cosmetic problem, I didn't bother to investigate further. I have to admit that I wasn't even motivated to submit a PR. Yeah, shame on me. Oh by the way, I think it happened once even on an OpenBSD/ Alpha box (not sure though, it was a long time ago). Maybe it's a long-standing BSD bug, or just strange coincidence. Please excuse me for forwarding this to -current as well, but I think it's important enough, and -current is affected, too. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: load spike strangeness
FreeBSD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in list.freebsd-stable: FreeBSD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in list.freebsd-stable: Overclocking is *NEVER* recommended Neither is posting anonymously (without a realname). Since when does an E-mail address require a "realname"? It is not required, but it is a matter of good practice, politeness, and netiquette. It's a matter of being taken serious, and of encouraging people to communicate. This is not a security issue at all. become required, I'd prefer to "unsubscribe" than to give that info out, as would any other intelligent person. I suggest you check your e-mail security information again before babbling nonsense. That's ridiculous. You're making a fool of yourself. You will not receive less spam when hiding your real name. And using a real name does not prevent you from creating a new account, if you think that's necessary. Do you also use you real full name on IRC? Yes, I do. For 5 years. And there is no reason to hide it. (I'm not a criminal who has to hide from the police or something like that.) "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" While I'm at it: I don't like that quote either. :-) Goodbye Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
RE: load spike strangeness
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Oliver Fromme Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2000 7:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: load spike strangeness FreeBSD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in list.freebsd-stable: FreeBSD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in list.freebsd-stable: Overclocking is *NEVER* recommended Neither is posting anonymously (without a realname). Since when does an E-mail address require a "realname"? It is not required, but it is a matter of good practice, politeness, and netiquette. It's a matter of being taken serious, and of encouraging people to communicate. This is not a security issue at all. Suggesting people use their real names in mailing lists, seems like a security issue to me, while it's not an exploit, it's not safe or smart (again IMHO). become required, I'd prefer to "unsubscribe" than to give that info out, as would any other intelligent person. I suggest you check your e-mail security information again before babbling nonsense. That's ridiculous. You're making a fool of yourself. You are entitled to your opinion. You will not receive less spam when hiding your real name. And using a real name does not prevent you from creating a new account, if you think that's necessary. No but it does help in preventing identity theft, however little. Do you also use you real full name on IRC? Yes, I do. For 5 years. And there is no reason to hide it. (I'm not a criminal who has to hide from the police or something like that.) "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" While I'm at it: I don't like that quote either. :-) Goodbye Oliver I really don't care if you like it. I'd suggest not quoting it then. Are you now the sig police? There are plenty of quotes I don't care for, but I'm not whining about it. I might suggest taking this off the lists if all you plan to do is flame. FreeBSD [EMAIL PROTECTED] "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Oliver Fromme Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2000 6:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: load spike strangeness FreeBSD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in list.freebsd-stable: Overclocking is *NEVER* recommended Neither is posting anonymously (without a realname). Since when does an E-mail address require a "realname"? Only a imbecile (IMHO) would use their real name on an e-mail that goes out to a public list. I don't want people to know my real name or SSN or any other personal info for that matter, NOR is it required, as far as I know. If it were to become required, I'd prefer to "unsubscribe" than to give that info out, as would any other intelligent person. I suggest you check your e-mail security information again before babbling nonsense. My e-mail addy is a REAL addy not one that goes through an anonymous re-mailer and I use it so IF I start getting Spam I can easily rmuser it and create another to resubscribe. Do you also use you real full name on IRC? To quote "Mr. T": "I pity da f00!" FreeBSD [EMAIL PROTECTED] "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" P.S. To kill 2 birds with one stone... David Bushong: The info about overclocking was mentioned by Jordan, himself, on IRC in #FreeBSD (I'm not sure which network though) If you'd like, I can dig through IRC logs and try to find it but I'd prefer to take this to private e-mail instead. Let me know. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
