Re: gitup issues [was Re: No update for a day on ports?]

[Ed Maste]

On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 at 21:34, Peter Jeremy via freebsd-ports
 wrote:
>
> gitup walks the destination tree (ie /usr/ports), hashing every file
> it finds (by reading the complete file into memory).  Whilst the
> default gitup configuration ignores /usr/ports/packages and
> /usr/ports/distfiles, it reads and hashes all the files down both
> paths before ignoring them.

This seems like something that should be fixed relatively easily. In
any case there's an enhancement request in gitup's GitHub project for
reducing gitup's memory use in general. I hope something comes of it.
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Re: gitup issues [was Re: No update for a day on ports?]

[@lbutlr]

On 10 Apr 2021, at 19:34, Peter Jeremy via freebsd-ports 
 wrote:
> On 2021-Apr-01 22:36:02 +1100, Trev  wrote:
> 
> One consequence is that gitup is unusable
> on small memory environments - in my case, I saw peak memory usage hit
> 5GB (though the largest file I have is 1.8GB, so I'm not sure why it's
> eating so much memory).

As a data point my servers only have 4GB or RAM and gitup runs fine.

(One is a Celeron J1800 and the other an i5-3470, the Celeron is dog slow 
running gitup, but it runs).

(~1 minutes for the i5, 25 min for the Celery)

This makes me wish even more there was a simple way to exclude categories for 
the ports tree like all the foreign languages and x11 games and audio (for me, 
of course)

Actually, all my installed ports only come from these trees:

archivers benchmarks converters databases devel dns editors
ftp lang mail math misc net ports-mgmt print security shells
sysutils textproc and www

I'd love to be able to only sync, download, and check those categories, granted 
that include the six largest categories and 8 of the top ten, so not sure how 
much it would help, but it would help some.

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gitup issues [was Re: No update for a day on ports?]

[Peter Jeremy via freebsd-ports]

On 2021-Apr-01 22:36:02 +1100, Trev  wrote:
>> I just tried gitup and was told tha I had no permissions for 
>> /var/db/gitup. 

"sudo chown $USER /var/db/gitup" fixes that.

>I just tried gitup and it was killed after apparently exhausting my 
>swap space. I had no such problem with portsnap :-(

gitup walks the destination tree (ie /usr/ports), hashing every file
it finds (by reading the complete file into memory).  Whilst the
default gitup configuration ignores /usr/ports/packages and
/usr/ports/distfiles, it reads and hashes all the files down both
paths before ignoring them.  One consequence is that gitup is unusable
on small memory environments - in my case, I saw peak memory usage hit
5GB (though the largest file I have is 1.8GB, so I'm not sure why it's
eating so much memory).

>My system (Vultr VPS) has 512K memory and 1.5G swap.

git is barely usable on such a system (it's peak memory usage is about
2GB whilst processing a ports tree).  gitup is unusable unless you
either delete all packages and distfiles, or symlink them out of the way.

> > Can I not run gitup as a normal user?
>
>I don't believe so.

Well, git or gitup need write access to the working directory and
the associated metadata directory.

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Mark Millard via freebsd-ports]

Felix Palmen felix at palmen-it.de wrote on
Sat Apr 3 20:35:46 UTC 2021 :

> * Mark Millard via freebsd-ports  [20210403 
> 10:02]:
> > Felix Palmen felix at palmen-it.de wrote on
> > > There was an announcement to deprecate it, but it's still built with
> > > releng/13 so far, and I'd be surprised if the snapshots for it wouldn't
> > > be available any more. Deprecation of portsnap AFAIK isn't directly
> > > related to moving to git. (someone correct me please if I'm wrong)
> > 
> > /usr/sbin/portsnap is just a shell script:
> --snip--
> 
> Please see the original announcement for context:
> 

Good point:

QUOTE
* Make WITHOUT_PORTSNAP default in base. Currently not certain when this 
will happen. May not happen before 13.0, but hopefully it will.

* Eventually, portsnap servers will see low enough usage they can be 
disabled.
END QUOTE

Even if WITHOUT_PORTSNAP was the default, the wording suggests that
WITH_PORTSNAP would be allowed for a time.

And it suggests that portsnap servers disabling would be based on
monitoring usage of the servers.

> In a nutshell: It was *planned* to no longer build portsnap by default
> in 13. Now, it's still built, so I assume that's intentional and
> snapshots will still be available (for some time).

Seems so.

> These snapshots aren't provided by SVN, therefore I doubt having ports
> in GIT will cause any technical trouble creating them?

The /usr/ports/ content provided by portsnap is extracted from
SVN historically and will have to be extracted from git going
forward. I expect that there is some implementation change to
have the materials show up in the portsnap servers. I'm
not claiming to estimate how difficult the change would be.

> Side note: your postings have no meaningful References and therefore
> don't show up in the correct location in the thread, maybe check your
> mail client?


Sorry for such problems.

>  And please don't CC me, I'm reading the list.

Okay, but long term I may not remember. I've gotten
requests for the other way as well and I'm not likely
to try to track all the individual preferences in any
reliable manor.

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Felix Palmen]

* Mark Millard via freebsd-ports  [20210403 10:02]:
> Felix Palmen felix at palmen-it.de wrote on
> > There was an announcement to deprecate it, but it's still built with
> > releng/13 so far, and I'd be surprised if the snapshots for it wouldn't
> > be available any more. Deprecation of portsnap AFAIK isn't directly
> > related to moving to git. (someone correct me please if I'm wrong)
> 
> /usr/sbin/portsnap is just a shell script:
--snip--

Please see the original announcement for context:


In a nutshell: It was *planned* to no longer build portsnap by default
in 13. Now, it's still built, so I assume that's intentional and
snapshots will still be available (for some time).

These snapshots aren't provided by SVN, therefore I doubt having ports
in GIT will cause any technical trouble creating them?

Side note: your postings have no meaningful References and therefore
don't show up in the correct location in the thread, maybe check your
mail client? And please don't CC me, I'm reading the list.

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports]

On 03/04/21 18:10, LuMiWa via freebsd-ports wrote:


It is not good. The last was I did red was "portsnap" stay still for
awhile. I  am portsnap and portmaster user for years. Where should I
find information what will happened with /usr/ports. Will gitup just
replace, update? I am using FreeBSD 13.0-RC5.
Thank you.



I have no definitive information regarding portsnap. I only remember 
reading a comment in the last few days to the effect of it being 
discontinued and suggested a replacement, but I could be wrong about this.


I've not been using it for a while and I have not followed news about it.

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[The Doctor via freebsd-ports]

On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:10:33PM -0400, LuMiWa wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 05:51:29 -0600
> The Doctor via freebsd-ports  wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:00:29PM +0200, Guido Falsi via
> > freebsd-ports wrote:
> > > On 03/04/21 11:28, Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports wrote:
> > > > On 03/04/21 02:24, The Doctor wrote:
> > > >> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 02:05:45AM +0200, Guido Falsi wrote:
> > > >>> On 03/04/21 01:35, The Doctor wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Please install gitup and read it's man page, it's straight
> > > >>> forward.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -- 
> > > >>> Guido Falsi 
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Results:
> > > >>
> > > >> gitup -v 1 ports
> > > >> # Host: github.com
> > > >> # Port: 443
> > > >> # Repository: /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
> > > >> # Target: /usr/ports
> > > >> gitup: get_commit_details: refs/heads/master doesn't exist in 
> > > >> /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git: Invalid argument
> > > >>
> > > > 
> > > > Thew migration is still in progress, so I guess the repository is
> > > > in an unstable state. Try again once the migration is done.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > BTW after migration gitup configuration will need to be updated to
> > > point to the new repository I guess. DOcumentation clearly shows
> > > how to do that.
> > >
> > 
> > Where?
> > 
> > > -- 
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> It is not good. The last was I did red was "portsnap" stay still for
> awhile. I  am portsnap and portmaster user for years. Where should I
> find information what will happened with /usr/ports. Will gitup just
> replace, update? I am using FreeBSD 13.0-RC5.
> Thank you.
>

Well said. 

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Mark Millard via freebsd-ports]

Felix Palmen felix at palmen-it.de wrote on
Fri Apr 2 22:49:58 UTC 2021 :

> * Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports  [20210403 
> 00:35]:
> > On 02/04/21 23:16, The Doctor via freebsd-ports wrote:
> > > but I use pkg/portsnap .
> > > 
> > > How does that affect us?
> > 
> > AFAIK you can't use it anymore. Use gitup. It's almost a drop-in
> > replacement.
> 
> There was an announcement to deprecate it, but it's still built with
> releng/13 so far, and I'd be surprised if the snapshots for it wouldn't
> be available any more. Deprecation of portsnap AFAIK isn't directly
> related to moving to git. (someone correct me please if I'm wrong)

/usr/sbin/portsnap is just a shell script:

# file /usr/sbin/portsnap 
/usr/sbin/portsnap: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable

Just because the shell script portsnap is installed does not
mean that it will provide updates (that would ultimately
be based the FreeBSD ports git repository content).

The lines in the script that fetch the compressed snapshot
look like:

echo "Fetching snapshot generated at `date -r ${SNAPSHOTDATE}`:"
fetch -r http://${SERVERNAME}/s/${SNAPSHOTHASH}.tgz || return 1

where by default SERVERNAME is as shown below:

# grep SERVERNAME /etc/portsnap.conf
SERVERNAME=portsnap.FreeBSD.org

(It gets the SNAPSHOTHASH from another file fetched from the
server. I'll not indicate such details.)

Saying that portsnap is to be deprecated is to say that the
http://${SERVERNAME}/s/${SNAPSHOTHASH}.tgz files (and related)
will not have updated versions to fetch --and that will cause
portsnap to stop working for its purpose, eve if installed.

It is likely that the lack of:

http://${SERVERNAME}/s/${SNAPSHOTHASH}.tgz

files (and related) is tied to not producing such files
from the new FreeBSD ports git repository.

So, likely: Yes, directly related to moving to git.

> 
> Still, in the long run, expect it to vanish.
> 

When /usr/sbin/portsnap is removed from the file systems
is not in control of when useful:

http://${SERVERNAME}/s/${SNAPSHOTHASH}.tgz

files exist. But there is not much point to having
/usr/sbin/portsnap in the file systems once useful
versions of such files are no longer available to
fetch.


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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[LuMiWa via freebsd-ports]

On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 05:51:29 -0600
The Doctor via freebsd-ports  wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:00:29PM +0200, Guido Falsi via
> freebsd-ports wrote:
> > On 03/04/21 11:28, Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports wrote:
> > > On 03/04/21 02:24, The Doctor wrote:
> > >> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 02:05:45AM +0200, Guido Falsi wrote:
> > >>> On 03/04/21 01:35, The Doctor wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Please install gitup and read it's man page, it's straight
> > >>> forward.
> > >>>
> > >>> -- 
> > >>> Guido Falsi 
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Results:
> > >>
> > >> gitup -v 1 ports
> > >> # Host: github.com
> > >> # Port: 443
> > >> # Repository: /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
> > >> # Target: /usr/ports
> > >> gitup: get_commit_details: refs/heads/master doesn't exist in 
> > >> /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git: Invalid argument
> > >>
> > > 
> > > Thew migration is still in progress, so I guess the repository is
> > > in an unstable state. Try again once the migration is done.
> > > 
> > 
> > BTW after migration gitup configuration will need to be updated to
> > point to the new repository I guess. DOcumentation clearly shows
> > how to do that.
> >
> 
> Where?
> 
> > -- 
> > Guido Falsi 
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It is not good. The last was I did red was "portsnap" stay still for
awhile. I  am portsnap and portmaster user for years. Where should I
find information what will happened with /usr/ports. Will gitup just
replace, update? I am using FreeBSD 13.0-RC5.
Thank you.

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports]

On 03/04/21 13:50, The Doctor via freebsd-ports wrote:

On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 11:28:23AM +0200, Guido Falsi wrote:

On 03/04/21 02:24, The Doctor wrote:

On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 02:05:45AM +0200, Guido Falsi wrote:

On 03/04/21 01:35, The Doctor wrote:

On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:35:57AM +0200, Guido Falsi wrote:

On 02/04/21 23:16, The Doctor via freebsd-ports wrote:

On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 04:45:00PM +0200, Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports wrote:

On 02/04/21 15:44, The Doctor via freebsd-ports wrote:

On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 08:55:00AM +0200, Kurt Jaeger wrote:

Hi!


As a minor aside, has anyone stated the reason why the user-base of base
or ports are moving to git?


Yes:

https://github.com/bsdimp/freebsd-git-docs/blob/main/git-why.md



Then the question is : Moving forward, how do we update
the ports?



The same questions keep being asked even if replied to multiple times.

you can use git with the official git repo (once it will be available,
migration is still in progress), or reference a mirror on github or
gitlab. Some documentation about how to do this is available at [1].

If I understand correctly documentation will also be added to the
handbook once migration is done.

Git is a little complicated but a lot of documentation is available on
the internet. search engines are you friends.

If you only want to keep /usr/ports updated the easiest tool to achieve
that is gitup available in ports at net/gitup.

I reiterate, migration is still in progress, the latest available
snapshot of the ports tree (at present read only) is via subversion.
once migration is done the official git repo and mirrors will be available.

There isn't much more to be sail until the migration is done.



Git is ready,

but I use pkg/portsnap .

How does that affect us?


AFAIK you can't use it anymore. Use gitup. It's almost a drop-in
replacement.



How do we use gitup in this scenario?


What scenario?

Please install gitup and read it's man page, it's straight forward.

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Results:

gitup -v 1 ports
# Host: github.com
# Port: 443
# Repository: /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
# Target: /usr/ports
gitup: get_commit_details: refs/heads/master doesn't exist in 
/freebsd/freebsd-ports.git: Invalid argument



Thew migration is still in progress, so I guess the repository is in an
unstable state. Try again once the migration is done.

--
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LEt us know when ready.



This is getting ridicolous.

Why should I let you know? Learn to read documentation and use provided 
information instruments yourself.


Check this very thread, in previous posts you have all links and 
information necessary to know when the tree will be ready, how to 
configure various tools you need.


There is a limit to hand holding you can expect on mailing lists.

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[The Doctor via freebsd-ports]

On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:00:29PM +0200, Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports wrote:
> On 03/04/21 11:28, Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports wrote:
> > On 03/04/21 02:24, The Doctor wrote:
> >> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 02:05:45AM +0200, Guido Falsi wrote:
> >>> On 03/04/21 01:35, The Doctor wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Please install gitup and read it's man page, it's straight forward.
> >>>
> >>> -- 
> >>> Guido Falsi 
> >>
> >>
> >> Results:
> >>
> >> gitup -v 1 ports
> >> # Host: github.com
> >> # Port: 443
> >> # Repository: /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
> >> # Target: /usr/ports
> >> gitup: get_commit_details: refs/heads/master doesn't exist in 
> >> /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git: Invalid argument
> >>
> > 
> > Thew migration is still in progress, so I guess the repository is in an 
> > unstable state. Try again once the migration is done.
> > 
> 
> BTW after migration gitup configuration will need to be updated to point 
> to the new repository I guess. DOcumentation clearly shows how to do that.
>

Where?

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[The Doctor via freebsd-ports]

On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 11:28:23AM +0200, Guido Falsi wrote:
> On 03/04/21 02:24, The Doctor wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 02:05:45AM +0200, Guido Falsi wrote:
> >> On 03/04/21 01:35, The Doctor wrote:
> >>> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:35:57AM +0200, Guido Falsi wrote:
>  On 02/04/21 23:16, The Doctor via freebsd-ports wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 04:45:00PM +0200, Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports 
> > wrote:
> >> On 02/04/21 15:44, The Doctor via freebsd-ports wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 08:55:00AM +0200, Kurt Jaeger wrote:
>  Hi!
> 
> > As a minor aside, has anyone stated the reason why the user-base of 
> > base
> > or ports are moving to git?
> 
>  Yes:
> 
>  https://github.com/bsdimp/freebsd-git-docs/blob/main/git-why.md
> 
> >>>
> >>> Then the question is : Moving forward, how do we update
> >>> the ports?
> >>>
> >>
> >> The same questions keep being asked even if replied to multiple times.
> >>
> >> you can use git with the official git repo (once it will be available,
> >> migration is still in progress), or reference a mirror on github or
> >> gitlab. Some documentation about how to do this is available at [1].
> >>
> >> If I understand correctly documentation will also be added to the
> >> handbook once migration is done.
> >>
> >> Git is a little complicated but a lot of documentation is available on
> >> the internet. search engines are you friends.
> >>
> >> If you only want to keep /usr/ports updated the easiest tool to achieve
> >> that is gitup available in ports at net/gitup.
> >>
> >> I reiterate, migration is still in progress, the latest available
> >> snapshot of the ports tree (at present read only) is via subversion.
> >> once migration is done the official git repo and mirrors will be 
> >> available.
> >>
> >> There isn't much more to be sail until the migration is done.
> >>
> >
> > Git is ready,
> >
> > but I use pkg/portsnap .
> >
> > How does that affect us?
> 
>  AFAIK you can't use it anymore. Use gitup. It's almost a drop-in
>  replacement.
> 
> >>>
> >>> How do we use gitup in this scenario?
> >>
> >> What scenario?
> >>
> >> Please install gitup and read it's man page, it's straight forward.
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Guido Falsi 
> > 
> > 
> > Results:
> > 
> > gitup -v 1 ports
> > # Host: github.com
> > # Port: 443
> > # Repository: /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
> > # Target: /usr/ports
> > gitup: get_commit_details: refs/heads/master doesn't exist in 
> > /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git: Invalid argument
> > 
> 
> Thew migration is still in progress, so I guess the repository is in an 
> unstable state. Try again once the migration is done.
> 
> -- 
> Guido Falsi 

LEt us know when ready.

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[The Doctor via freebsd-ports]

On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 06:23:00AM +0200, Helge Oldach wrote:
> The Doctor via freebsd-ports wrote on Fri, 02 Apr 2021 23:16:53 +0200 (CEST):
> > Git is ready,
> 
> Is it?
> 
> # git clone -o freebsd https://git.freebsd.org/ports.git
> Cloning into 'ports'...
> fatal: repository 'https://git.freebsd.org/ports.git/' not found
> #
> 
> Check https://github.com/lwhsu/freebsd-git-docs/blob/main/URLs.md
>

Try gitup from net/gitup

> Kind regards
> Helge

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[The Doctor via freebsd-ports]

On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 11:01:18PM -0700, Mark Millard via freebsd-ports wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2021-Apr-2, at 20:24, The Doctor  wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 07:45:56AM +0600, Muhammad Moinur Rahman wrote:
> >> Once it is publicly mentioned that the conversion is completed run the 
> >> following command:
> >> 
> >> sed -e '/github.com/d' -e 's/freebsd\/freebsd-//g' 
> >> /usr/local/etc/gitup.conf
> >> 
> >> then do `gitup ports`
> >> 
> >> Kind Regards,
> >> Moin
> >> 
> >>> On 3 Apr, 2021, at 07:20, The Doctor via freebsd-ports 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 05:54:48PM -0700, Mark Millard via freebsd-ports 
> >>> wrote:
>  
>  
>  On 2021-Apr-2, at 17:41, Mark Millard  wrote:
>  
> > . . .
>  
> >>> 
> >>> So what patch is needed to fix the ports issue?
> >>> 
>  
>  =. . .
> >>> 
> >>> . . .
> >> 
> > 
> > 50/50 .
> > 
> > FreeBSD 13.0-RC workstation works.
> > 
> > Ns2 works
> > 
> > ns1 is hung up.
> > 
> 
> So far I'm unable to interpret the above as a reply
> to Moin's text. 50/50? Ns2? ns1? 13.0-RC?
> How does that match up to the sed suggestion?
> 
> Also, the conversion has not been made accessible
> yet from what I can tell. For example,
> 
> https://cgit.freebsd.org/
> 
> lists "doc" and "src" but not (yet) "ports".
> So, likely:
> 
> https://git.freebsd.org/ports.git
> and:
> ssh://anon...@git.freebsd.org/ports.git
> 
> are also not working notations yet.
> 
> Thus, removing github.com references in a way that
> would try to use one of the above would mean not
> finding a ports repository at all (yet). (Justifying
> Moin's "Once it is publicly mentioned that the
> conversion is completed . . ." wording?)
> 
> (I've no clue if the specifics of the sed suggestion
> are correct or not.)
>

I left this overnight and now
gitp -v 2 ports

seems to be working properly on all 3 machines.

Even FreeBSD 13.0-RC4 to FreeBSD 13.0-RC5
is working correctly!

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports]

On 03/04/21 11:28, Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports wrote:

On 03/04/21 02:24, The Doctor wrote:

On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 02:05:45AM +0200, Guido Falsi wrote:

On 03/04/21 01:35, The Doctor wrote:

Please install gitup and read it's man page, it's straight forward.

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Results:

gitup -v 1 ports
# Host: github.com
# Port: 443
# Repository: /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
# Target: /usr/ports
gitup: get_commit_details: refs/heads/master doesn't exist in 
/freebsd/freebsd-ports.git: Invalid argument




Thew migration is still in progress, so I guess the repository is in an 
unstable state. Try again once the migration is done.




BTW after migration gitup configuration will need to be updated to point 
to the new repository I guess. DOcumentation clearly shows how to do that.


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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports]

On 03/04/21 06:23, Helge Oldach wrote:

The Doctor via freebsd-ports wrote on Fri, 02 Apr 2021 23:16:53 +0200 (CEST):

Git is ready,


Is it?

# git clone -o freebsd https://git.freebsd.org/ports.git
Cloning into 'ports'...
fatal: repository 'https://git.freebsd.org/ports.git/' not found
#

Check https://github.com/lwhsu/freebsd-git-docs/blob/main/URLs.md



No it's not, migration still in progress, please be patient.

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports]

On 03/04/21 02:24, The Doctor wrote:

On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 02:05:45AM +0200, Guido Falsi wrote:

On 03/04/21 01:35, The Doctor wrote:

On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:35:57AM +0200, Guido Falsi wrote:

On 02/04/21 23:16, The Doctor via freebsd-ports wrote:

On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 04:45:00PM +0200, Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports wrote:

On 02/04/21 15:44, The Doctor via freebsd-ports wrote:

On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 08:55:00AM +0200, Kurt Jaeger wrote:

Hi!


As a minor aside, has anyone stated the reason why the user-base of base
or ports are moving to git?


Yes:

https://github.com/bsdimp/freebsd-git-docs/blob/main/git-why.md



Then the question is : Moving forward, how do we update
the ports?



The same questions keep being asked even if replied to multiple times.

you can use git with the official git repo (once it will be available,
migration is still in progress), or reference a mirror on github or
gitlab. Some documentation about how to do this is available at [1].

If I understand correctly documentation will also be added to the
handbook once migration is done.

Git is a little complicated but a lot of documentation is available on
the internet. search engines are you friends.

If you only want to keep /usr/ports updated the easiest tool to achieve
that is gitup available in ports at net/gitup.

I reiterate, migration is still in progress, the latest available
snapshot of the ports tree (at present read only) is via subversion.
once migration is done the official git repo and mirrors will be available.

There isn't much more to be sail until the migration is done.



Git is ready,

but I use pkg/portsnap .

How does that affect us?


AFAIK you can't use it anymore. Use gitup. It's almost a drop-in
replacement.



How do we use gitup in this scenario?


What scenario?

Please install gitup and read it's man page, it's straight forward.

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Results:

gitup -v 1 ports
# Host: github.com
# Port: 443
# Repository: /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
# Target: /usr/ports
gitup: get_commit_details: refs/heads/master doesn't exist in 
/freebsd/freebsd-ports.git: Invalid argument



Thew migration is still in progress, so I guess the repository is in an 
unstable state. Try again once the migration is done.


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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Mark Millard via freebsd-ports]

On 2021-Apr-2, at 20:24, The Doctor  wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 07:45:56AM +0600, Muhammad Moinur Rahman wrote:
>> Once it is publicly mentioned that the conversion is completed run the 
>> following command:
>> 
>> sed -e '/github.com/d' -e 's/freebsd\/freebsd-//g' /usr/local/etc/gitup.conf
>> 
>> then do `gitup ports`
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> Moin
>> 
>>> On 3 Apr, 2021, at 07:20, The Doctor via freebsd-ports 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 05:54:48PM -0700, Mark Millard via freebsd-ports 
>>> wrote:
 
 
 On 2021-Apr-2, at 17:41, Mark Millard  wrote:
 
> . . .
 
>>> 
>>> So what patch is needed to fix the ports issue?
>>> 
 
 =. . .
>>> 
>>> . . .
>> 
> 
> 50/50 .
> 
> FreeBSD 13.0-RC workstation works.
> 
> Ns2 works
> 
> ns1 is hung up.
> 

So far I'm unable to interpret the above as a reply
to Moin's text. 50/50? Ns2? ns1? 13.0-RC?
How does that match up to the sed suggestion?

Also, the conversion has not been made accessible
yet from what I can tell. For example,

https://cgit.freebsd.org/

lists "doc" and "src" but not (yet) "ports".
So, likely:

https://git.freebsd.org/ports.git
and:
ssh://anon...@git.freebsd.org/ports.git

are also not working notations yet.

Thus, removing github.com references in a way that
would try to use one of the above would mean not
finding a ports repository at all (yet). (Justifying
Moin's "Once it is publicly mentioned that the
conversion is completed . . ." wording?)

(I've no clue if the specifics of the sed suggestion
are correct or not.)

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[The Doctor via freebsd-ports]

On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 07:45:56AM +0600, Muhammad Moinur Rahman wrote:
> Once it is publicly mentioned that the conversion is completed run the 
> following command:
> 
> sed -e '/github.com/d' -e 's/freebsd\/freebsd-//g' /usr/local/etc/gitup.conf
> 
> then do `gitup ports`
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Moin
> 
> > On 3 Apr, 2021, at 07:20, The Doctor via freebsd-ports 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 05:54:48PM -0700, Mark Millard via freebsd-ports 
> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 2021-Apr-2, at 17:41, Mark Millard  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> The Doctor doctor at doctor.nl2k.ab.ca wrote on
> >>> Sat Apr 3 00:27:42 UTC 2021 :
> >>> 
> >>> Results:
> >>> 
>  gitup -v 1 ports
>  # Host: github.com
>  # Port: 443
>  # Repository: /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
>  # Target: /usr/ports
>  gitup: get_commit_details: refs/heads/master doesn't exist in 
>  /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git: Invalid argument
> >>> 
> >>> When I look at:
> >>> 
> >>> https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports/
> >>> 
> >>> and look at the popup for selecting a branch
> >>> I see a "main" but do not see a "master".
> >>> 
> >>> By contrast when I look at:
> >>> 
> >>> https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports-legacy/
> >>> 
> >>> and look at the popup for selecting a branch
> >>> I see a "master" but do not see a "main".
> >>> 
> >>> It looks like the your gitup is configured for
> >>> before the conversion, when only the combination:
> >> 
> >> One aspect of the above sentence is poor: which
> >> "conversion"? It might not be the current
> >> svn to git one one. For all I know
> >> /freebsd/freebsd-ports-legacy/ could have existed
> >> under that naming for a while and
> >> /freebsd/freebsd-ports/ could have been tracking
> >> svn over the same time frame.
> >> 
> >>> /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
> >>> refs/heads/master
> >>> 
> >>> existed. Since then the old /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
> >>> was effectively renamed to /freebsd/freebsd-ports-legacy/
> >>> and a new /freebsd/freebsd-ports/ was created that used
> >>> "main" instead of "master".
> >> 
> > 
> > So what patch is needed to fix the ports issue?
> > 
> >> 
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> >> away in early 2018-Mar)
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50/50 .

FreeBSD 13.0-RC workstation works.

Ns2 works

ns1 is hung up.


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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Mark Millard via freebsd-ports]

On 2021-Apr-2, at 18:20, The Doctor  wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 05:54:48PM -0700, Mark Millard via freebsd-ports 
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 2021-Apr-2, at 17:41, Mark Millard  wrote:
>> 
>>> The Doctor doctor at doctor.nl2k.ab.ca wrote on
>>> Sat Apr 3 00:27:42 UTC 2021 :
>>> 
>>> Results:
>>> 
 gitup -v 1 ports
 # Host: github.com
 # Port: 443
 # Repository: /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
 # Target: /usr/ports
 gitup: get_commit_details: refs/heads/master doesn't exist in 
 /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git: Invalid argument
>>> 
>>> When I look at:
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports/
>>> 
>>> and look at the popup for selecting a branch
>>> I see a "main" but do not see a "master".
>>> 
>>> By contrast when I look at:
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports-legacy/
>>> 
>>> and look at the popup for selecting a branch
>>> I see a "master" but do not see a "main".
>>> 
>>> It looks like the your gitup is configured for
>>> before the conversion, when only the combination:
>> 
>> One aspect of the above sentence is poor: which
>> "conversion"? It might not be the current
>> svn to git one one. For all I know
>> /freebsd/freebsd-ports-legacy/ could have existed
>> under that naming for a while and
>> /freebsd/freebsd-ports/ could have been tracking
>> svn over the same time frame.
>> 
>>> /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
>>> refs/heads/master
>>> 
>>> existed. Since then the old /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
>>> was effectively renamed to /freebsd/freebsd-ports-legacy/
>>> and a new /freebsd/freebsd-ports/ was created that used
>>> "main" instead of "master".
>> 
> 
> So what patch is needed to fix the ports issue?
> 

I only recognized the "master" (github/older) vs. "main"
(modern) terminology issue, which was enough to prompt me
to look and see what things looked like and report on
what I found.

I've not done my ports conversion experiments yet and I
will be using git, not gitup. I've never used gitup. So
I do not know the operational details for fixing what
gitup references. (I use git for FreeBSD src.)

I can say that you would want to use
/freebsd/freebsd-ports.git and whatever notation is
appropriate for "main" in order to track ongoing
updates. (Presumes that you stick with github instead
of the FreeBSD servers.)

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Muhammad Moinur Rahman]

Once it is publicly mentioned that the conversion is completed run the 
following command:

sed -e '/github.com/d' -e 's/freebsd\/freebsd-//g' /usr/local/etc/gitup.conf

then do `gitup ports`

Kind Regards,
Moin

> On 3 Apr, 2021, at 07:20, The Doctor via freebsd-ports 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 05:54:48PM -0700, Mark Millard via freebsd-ports 
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 2021-Apr-2, at 17:41, Mark Millard  wrote:
>> 
>>> The Doctor doctor at doctor.nl2k.ab.ca wrote on
>>> Sat Apr 3 00:27:42 UTC 2021 :
>>> 
>>> Results:
>>> 
 gitup -v 1 ports
 # Host: github.com
 # Port: 443
 # Repository: /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
 # Target: /usr/ports
 gitup: get_commit_details: refs/heads/master doesn't exist in 
 /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git: Invalid argument
>>> 
>>> When I look at:
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports/
>>> 
>>> and look at the popup for selecting a branch
>>> I see a "main" but do not see a "master".
>>> 
>>> By contrast when I look at:
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports-legacy/
>>> 
>>> and look at the popup for selecting a branch
>>> I see a "master" but do not see a "main".
>>> 
>>> It looks like the your gitup is configured for
>>> before the conversion, when only the combination:
>> 
>> One aspect of the above sentence is poor: which
>> "conversion"? It might not be the current
>> svn to git one one. For all I know
>> /freebsd/freebsd-ports-legacy/ could have existed
>> under that naming for a while and
>> /freebsd/freebsd-ports/ could have been tracking
>> svn over the same time frame.
>> 
>>> /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
>>> refs/heads/master
>>> 
>>> existed. Since then the old /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
>>> was effectively renamed to /freebsd/freebsd-ports-legacy/
>>> and a new /freebsd/freebsd-ports/ was created that used
>>> "main" instead of "master".
>> 
> 
> So what patch is needed to fix the ports issue?
> 
>> 
>> ===
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>> marklmi at yahoo.com
>> ( dsl-only.net went
>> away in early 2018-Mar)
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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[The Doctor via freebsd-ports]

On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 05:54:48PM -0700, Mark Millard via freebsd-ports wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2021-Apr-2, at 17:41, Mark Millard  wrote:
> 
> > The Doctor doctor at doctor.nl2k.ab.ca wrote on
> > Sat Apr 3 00:27:42 UTC 2021 :
> > 
> > Results:
> > 
> >> gitup -v 1 ports
> >> # Host: github.com
> >> # Port: 443
> >> # Repository: /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
> >> # Target: /usr/ports
> >> gitup: get_commit_details: refs/heads/master doesn't exist in 
> >> /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git: Invalid argument
> > 
> > When I look at:
> > 
> > https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports/
> > 
> > and look at the popup for selecting a branch
> > I see a "main" but do not see a "master".
> > 
> > By contrast when I look at:
> > 
> > https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports-legacy/
> > 
> > and look at the popup for selecting a branch
> > I see a "master" but do not see a "main".
> > 
> > It looks like the your gitup is configured for
> > before the conversion, when only the combination:
> 
> One aspect of the above sentence is poor: which
> "conversion"? It might not be the current
> svn to git one one. For all I know
> /freebsd/freebsd-ports-legacy/ could have existed
> under that naming for a while and
> /freebsd/freebsd-ports/ could have been tracking
> svn over the same time frame.
> 
> > /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
> > refs/heads/master
> > 
> > existed. Since then the old /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
> > was effectively renamed to /freebsd/freebsd-ports-legacy/
> > and a new /freebsd/freebsd-ports/ was created that used
> > "main" instead of "master".
>

So what patch is needed to fix the ports issue?

> 
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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Mark Millard via freebsd-ports]

On 2021-Apr-2, at 17:41, Mark Millard  wrote:

> The Doctor doctor at doctor.nl2k.ab.ca wrote on
> Sat Apr 3 00:27:42 UTC 2021 :
> 
> Results:
> 
>> gitup -v 1 ports
>> # Host: github.com
>> # Port: 443
>> # Repository: /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
>> # Target: /usr/ports
>> gitup: get_commit_details: refs/heads/master doesn't exist in 
>> /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git: Invalid argument
> 
> When I look at:
> 
> https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports/
> 
> and look at the popup for selecting a branch
> I see a "main" but do not see a "master".
> 
> By contrast when I look at:
> 
> https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports-legacy/
> 
> and look at the popup for selecting a branch
> I see a "master" but do not see a "main".
> 
> It looks like the your gitup is configured for
> before the conversion, when only the combination:

One aspect of the above sentence is poor: which
"conversion"? It might not be the current
svn to git one one. For all I know
/freebsd/freebsd-ports-legacy/ could have existed
under that naming for a while and
/freebsd/freebsd-ports/ could have been tracking
svn over the same time frame.

> /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
> refs/heads/master
> 
> existed. Since then the old /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
> was effectively renamed to /freebsd/freebsd-ports-legacy/
> and a new /freebsd/freebsd-ports/ was created that used
> "main" instead of "master".


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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Mark Millard via freebsd-ports]

The Doctor doctor at doctor.nl2k.ab.ca wrote on
Sat Apr 3 00:27:42 UTC 2021 :

Results:

> gitup -v 1 ports
> # Host: github.com
> # Port: 443
> # Repository: /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
> # Target: /usr/ports
> gitup: get_commit_details: refs/heads/master doesn't exist in 
> /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git: Invalid argument

When I look at:

https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports/

and look at the popup for selecting a branch
I see a "main" but do not see a "master".

By contrast when I look at:

https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports-legacy/

and look at the popup for selecting a branch
I see a "master" but do not see a "main".

It looks like the your gitup is configured for
before the conversion, when only the combination:

/freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
refs/heads/master

existed. Since then the old /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
was effectively renamed to /freebsd/freebsd-ports-legacy/
and a new /freebsd/freebsd-ports/ was created that used
"main" instead of "master".

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[The Doctor via freebsd-ports]

On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 02:05:45AM +0200, Guido Falsi wrote:
> On 03/04/21 01:35, The Doctor wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:35:57AM +0200, Guido Falsi wrote:
> >> On 02/04/21 23:16, The Doctor via freebsd-ports wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 04:45:00PM +0200, Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports 
> >>> wrote:
>  On 02/04/21 15:44, The Doctor via freebsd-ports wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 08:55:00AM +0200, Kurt Jaeger wrote:
> >> Hi!
> >>
> >>> As a minor aside, has anyone stated the reason why the user-base of 
> >>> base
> >>> or ports are moving to git?
> >>
> >> Yes:
> >>
> >> https://github.com/bsdimp/freebsd-git-docs/blob/main/git-why.md
> >>
> >
> > Then the question is : Moving forward, how do we update
> > the ports?
> >
> 
>  The same questions keep being asked even if replied to multiple times.
> 
>  you can use git with the official git repo (once it will be available,
>  migration is still in progress), or reference a mirror on github or
>  gitlab. Some documentation about how to do this is available at [1].
> 
>  If I understand correctly documentation will also be added to the
>  handbook once migration is done.
> 
>  Git is a little complicated but a lot of documentation is available on
>  the internet. search engines are you friends.
> 
>  If you only want to keep /usr/ports updated the easiest tool to achieve
>  that is gitup available in ports at net/gitup.
> 
>  I reiterate, migration is still in progress, the latest available
>  snapshot of the ports tree (at present read only) is via subversion.
>  once migration is done the official git repo and mirrors will be 
>  available.
> 
>  There isn't much more to be sail until the migration is done.
> 
> >>>
> >>> Git is ready,
> >>>
> >>> but I use pkg/portsnap .
> >>>
> >>> How does that affect us?
> >>
> >> AFAIK you can't use it anymore. Use gitup. It's almost a drop-in
> >> replacement.
> >>
> > 
> > How do we use gitup in this scenario?
> 
> What scenario?
> 
> Please install gitup and read it's man page, it's straight forward.
> 
> -- 
> Guido Falsi 


Results:

gitup -v 1 ports
# Host: github.com
# Port: 443
# Repository: /freebsd/freebsd-ports.git
# Target: /usr/ports
gitup: get_commit_details: refs/heads/master doesn't exist in 
/freebsd/freebsd-ports.git: Invalid argument

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports]

On 03/04/21 01:35, The Doctor wrote:

On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:35:57AM +0200, Guido Falsi wrote:

On 02/04/21 23:16, The Doctor via freebsd-ports wrote:

On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 04:45:00PM +0200, Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports wrote:

On 02/04/21 15:44, The Doctor via freebsd-ports wrote:

On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 08:55:00AM +0200, Kurt Jaeger wrote:

Hi!


As a minor aside, has anyone stated the reason why the user-base of base
or ports are moving to git?


Yes:

https://github.com/bsdimp/freebsd-git-docs/blob/main/git-why.md



Then the question is : Moving forward, how do we update
the ports?



The same questions keep being asked even if replied to multiple times.

you can use git with the official git repo (once it will be available,
migration is still in progress), or reference a mirror on github or
gitlab. Some documentation about how to do this is available at [1].

If I understand correctly documentation will also be added to the
handbook once migration is done.

Git is a little complicated but a lot of documentation is available on
the internet. search engines are you friends.

If you only want to keep /usr/ports updated the easiest tool to achieve
that is gitup available in ports at net/gitup.

I reiterate, migration is still in progress, the latest available
snapshot of the ports tree (at present read only) is via subversion.
once migration is done the official git repo and mirrors will be available.

There isn't much more to be sail until the migration is done.



Git is ready,

but I use pkg/portsnap .

How does that affect us?


AFAIK you can't use it anymore. Use gitup. It's almost a drop-in
replacement.



How do we use gitup in this scenario?


What scenario?

Please install gitup and read it's man page, it's straight forward.

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[The Doctor via freebsd-ports]

On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:35:57AM +0200, Guido Falsi wrote:
> On 02/04/21 23:16, The Doctor via freebsd-ports wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 04:45:00PM +0200, Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports 
> > wrote:
> >> On 02/04/21 15:44, The Doctor via freebsd-ports wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 08:55:00AM +0200, Kurt Jaeger wrote:
>  Hi!
> 
> > As a minor aside, has anyone stated the reason why the user-base of base
> > or ports are moving to git?
> 
>  Yes:
> 
>  https://github.com/bsdimp/freebsd-git-docs/blob/main/git-why.md
> 
> >>>
> >>> Then the question is : Moving forward, how do we update
> >>> the ports?
> >>>
> >>
> >> The same questions keep being asked even if replied to multiple times.
> >>
> >> you can use git with the official git repo (once it will be available,
> >> migration is still in progress), or reference a mirror on github or
> >> gitlab. Some documentation about how to do this is available at [1].
> >>
> >> If I understand correctly documentation will also be added to the
> >> handbook once migration is done.
> >>
> >> Git is a little complicated but a lot of documentation is available on
> >> the internet. search engines are you friends.
> >>
> >> If you only want to keep /usr/ports updated the easiest tool to achieve
> >> that is gitup available in ports at net/gitup.
> >>
> >> I reiterate, migration is still in progress, the latest available
> >> snapshot of the ports tree (at present read only) is via subversion.
> >> once migration is done the official git repo and mirrors will be available.
> >>
> >> There isn't much more to be sail until the migration is done.
> >>
> > 
> > Git is ready,
> > 
> > but I use pkg/portsnap .
> > 
> > How does that affect us?
> 
> AFAIK you can't use it anymore. Use gitup. It's almost a drop-in 
> replacement.
>

How do we use gitup in this scenario?

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Felix Palmen]

* Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports  [20210403 00:35]:
> On 02/04/21 23:16, The Doctor via freebsd-ports wrote:
> > but I use pkg/portsnap .
> > 
> > How does that affect us?
> 
> AFAIK you can't use it anymore. Use gitup. It's almost a drop-in
> replacement.

There was an announcement to deprecate it, but it's still built with
releng/13 so far, and I'd be surprised if the snapshots for it wouldn't
be available any more. Deprecation of portsnap AFAIK isn't directly
related to moving to git. (someone correct me please if I'm wrong)

Still, in the long run, expect it to vanish.

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports]

On 02/04/21 23:16, The Doctor via freebsd-ports wrote:

On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 04:45:00PM +0200, Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports wrote:

On 02/04/21 15:44, The Doctor via freebsd-ports wrote:

On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 08:55:00AM +0200, Kurt Jaeger wrote:

Hi!


As a minor aside, has anyone stated the reason why the user-base of base
or ports are moving to git?


Yes:

https://github.com/bsdimp/freebsd-git-docs/blob/main/git-why.md



Then the question is : Moving forward, how do we update
the ports?



The same questions keep being asked even if replied to multiple times.

you can use git with the official git repo (once it will be available,
migration is still in progress), or reference a mirror on github or
gitlab. Some documentation about how to do this is available at [1].

If I understand correctly documentation will also be added to the
handbook once migration is done.

Git is a little complicated but a lot of documentation is available on
the internet. search engines are you friends.

If you only want to keep /usr/ports updated the easiest tool to achieve
that is gitup available in ports at net/gitup.

I reiterate, migration is still in progress, the latest available
snapshot of the ports tree (at present read only) is via subversion.
once migration is done the official git repo and mirrors will be available.

There isn't much more to be sail until the migration is done.



Git is ready,

but I use pkg/portsnap .

How does that affect us?


AFAIK you can't use it anymore. Use gitup. It's almost a drop-in 
replacement.


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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[The Doctor via freebsd-ports]

On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 04:45:00PM +0200, Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports wrote:
> On 02/04/21 15:44, The Doctor via freebsd-ports wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 08:55:00AM +0200, Kurt Jaeger wrote:
> >> Hi!
> >>
> >>> As a minor aside, has anyone stated the reason why the user-base of base
> >>> or ports are moving to git?
> >>
> >> Yes:
> >>
> >> https://github.com/bsdimp/freebsd-git-docs/blob/main/git-why.md
> >>
> > 
> > Then the question is : Moving forward, how do we update
> > the ports?
> > 
> 
> The same questions keep being asked even if replied to multiple times.
> 
> you can use git with the official git repo (once it will be available, 
> migration is still in progress), or reference a mirror on github or 
> gitlab. Some documentation about how to do this is available at [1].
> 
> If I understand correctly documentation will also be added to the 
> handbook once migration is done.
> 
> Git is a little complicated but a lot of documentation is available on 
> the internet. search engines are you friends.
> 
> If you only want to keep /usr/ports updated the easiest tool to achieve 
> that is gitup available in ports at net/gitup.
> 
> I reiterate, migration is still in progress, the latest available 
> snapshot of the ports tree (at present read only) is via subversion. 
> once migration is done the official git repo and mirrors will be available.
> 
> There isn't much more to be sail until the migration is done.
>

Git is ready,

but I use pkg/portsnap .

How does that affect us?

> 
> [1] https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/committers-guide/#git-primer
> 
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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Steve Wills]

Hi,

On 4/2/21 9:44 AM, The Doctor via freebsd-ports wrote:


Then the question is : Moving forward, how do we update
the ports?


There are a number of ways. You can use the prebuilt git package or one 
of it's variants or substitutes. If you prefer to build git yourself, 
you can use the upstream source or fetch the ports tree tar from:


https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/ports/ports/

and use that to build git. Or you could simply delete your tree and 
re-fetch the tarball each time you update, if you prefer. I'm sure there 
are others I'm forgetting, but either way the choice is yours.


Cheers,

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports]

On 02/04/21 15:44, The Doctor via freebsd-ports wrote:

On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 08:55:00AM +0200, Kurt Jaeger wrote:

Hi!


As a minor aside, has anyone stated the reason why the user-base of base
or ports are moving to git?


Yes:

https://github.com/bsdimp/freebsd-git-docs/blob/main/git-why.md



Then the question is : Moving forward, how do we update
the ports?



The same questions keep being asked even if replied to multiple times.

you can use git with the official git repo (once it will be available, 
migration is still in progress), or reference a mirror on github or 
gitlab. Some documentation about how to do this is available at [1].


If I understand correctly documentation will also be added to the 
handbook once migration is done.


Git is a little complicated but a lot of documentation is available on 
the internet. search engines are you friends.


If you only want to keep /usr/ports updated the easiest tool to achieve 
that is gitup available in ports at net/gitup.


I reiterate, migration is still in progress, the latest available 
snapshot of the ports tree (at present read only) is via subversion. 
once migration is done the official git repo and mirrors will be available.


There isn't much more to be sail until the migration is done.


[1] https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/committers-guide/#git-primer

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[The Doctor via freebsd-ports]

On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 08:55:00AM +0200, Kurt Jaeger wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> > As a minor aside, has anyone stated the reason why the user-base of base
> > or ports are moving to git?
> 
> Yes:
> 
> https://github.com/bsdimp/freebsd-git-docs/blob/main/git-why.md
>

Then the question is : Moving forward, how do we update
the ports?

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Re: git-tiny or git-lite - Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Piotr Smyrak]

On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 12:31:30 +0200 (CEST)
Ronald Klop  wrote:

> I like pkg install git-tiny or git-lite so much more. If I
> install git I don't see why I need to install subversion as a
> dependency. And 50+ other direct or indirect dependencies.

Please note that packages are just build with port default values. You
can have devel/git with no subversion dependency, yet this requires
building the port and choosing not to build subversion. 

Since the project relied on subversion for years, that was a natural
choice. Perhaps this may change in the future. 

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Rene Ladan]

On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 12:32:52PM +0200, Jimmy Renner wrote:
> 
> Citerar Bob Eager :
> 
> > On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:47:01 +1100
> > Dewayne Geraghty  wrote:
> >
> >> Would appreciate if anyone can provide insight as to the 4 git
> >> commands that I need to function, in a manner similar to the way I
> >> use svnlite use.  Git equivalents for:
> >>
> >> svnlite update /usr/ports
> >> svnlite update -r '{$-$MM-$DD}' /usr/ports/$category/$port
> >> svnlite log -l $N /usr/ports/$category/$port
> >> svnlite diff /usr/ports/$category/$port
> >
> > I got a partial answer. There is a port, net/gitup, that will do an
> > update of sorts. (Note: I was just told 'gitup' and there is an old
> > port, now renamed 'git-up', which is not the right one).
> >>
> >> I'm sure many other users would have a similar usage (and similar
> >> non-knowledge of git)
> >
> > Indeed. I feel this should have been done in advance. And been in
> > Appendix A of the Handbook in plenty of time.
> >
> >> As a minor aside, has anyone stated the reason why the user-base of
> >> base or ports are moving to git?
> >
> > Going with the fashion, IMO. But I will no doubt get shouted down.
> >
> 
> If it is deprecated where do I find the information I need, this does  
> not help:
> https://docs.freebsd.org/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html
> 
This is actually an old URL from before the Asciidoc conversion last
January. The new URL scheme skip the _US.ISO8859-1 part, so just

https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ports-using.html

I will commit an update to document the new Git workflow once the
transition is complete.

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Re: git-tiny or git-lite - Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Michael Gmelin]

On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 12:31:30 +0200 (CEST)
Ronald Klop  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I like pkg install git-tiny or git-lite so much more. If I
> install git I don't see why I need to install subversion as a
> dependency. And 50+ other direct or indirect dependencies.

We might remove SVN from OPTIONS_DEFAULT once the dust of the
transition has settled, I opened PR254719[0] asking for it

-m

[0]https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=254719.

> 
> But gitup also helps for port users.
> 
> Regards,
> Ronald.
> 
>  
> Van: Mathieu Arnold 
> Datum: donderdag, 1 april 2021 10:01
> Aan: Milan Obuch 
> CC: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
> Onderwerp: Re: No update for a day on ports?
> > 
> > On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 09:54:16AM +0200, Milan Obuch wrote:  
> > > On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 09:47:04 +0200, Mathieu Arnold
> > >  wrote:
> > >  
> > > > On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 09:16:15AM +0200, Milan Obuch wrote:  
> > > > > Also, what about svn mirror, as is done for src repository,
> > > > > for 11 and 12 branches at least? I did not tried it recently,
> > > > > but it used to work. For some boxes, adding git to the mix
> > > > > would be big PITA.
> > > >
> > > > There will be no Git to Subversion conversion for ports, like
> > > > for docs. The only reason there is for the base system on 11
> > > > and 12 is because Subversion was the source control software
> > > > used when they were released.
> > > >  
> > >
> > > This is unpleasant move for me. This means git or equivalent (and
> > > dependencies) must be installed on any box where tracking ports
> > > tree is planned/needed... and no tool like svnlite could be
> > > expected in base system for some time.
> > >
> > > So I need some work on my local infrastructure to adjust to this
> > > move. C'est la vie...  
> > 
> > If you actually need a repository, and not just the latest files,
> > all you need is run pkg install git on the machines you are
> > actually using a ports tree on, if you have more than one machine,
> > you should probably be using binary packages anyway, either the
> > ones provided by FreeBSD, or ones built yourself using
> > ports-mgmt/poudriere.  If you only need the latest files, you can
> > probably use something like net/gitup.
> > 
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> > Mathieu Arnold
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
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git-tiny or git-lite - Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Ronald Klop]

Hi,

I like pkg install git-tiny or git-lite so much more. If I install git I 
don't see why I need to install subversion as a dependency. And 50+ other 
direct or indirect dependencies.

But gitup also helps for port users.

Regards,
Ronald.


Van: Mathieu Arnold 
Datum: donderdag, 1 april 2021 10:01
Aan: Milan Obuch 
CC: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
Onderwerp: Re: No update for a day on ports?


On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 09:54:16AM +0200, Milan Obuch wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 09:47:04 +0200, Mathieu Arnold 
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 09:16:15AM +0200, Milan Obuch wrote:
> > > Also, what about svn mirror, as is done for src repository, for 11
> > > and 12 branches at least? I did not tried it recently, but it used
> > > to work. For some boxes, adding git to the mix would be big PITA.  
> >

> > There will be no Git to Subversion conversion for ports, like for
> > docs. The only reason there is for the base system on 11 and 12 is
> > because Subversion was the source control software used when they
> > were released.
> >
>
> This is unpleasant move for me. This means git or equivalent (and
> dependencies) must be installed on any box where tracking ports tree is
> planned/needed... and no tool like svnlite could be expected in base
> system for some time.
>
> So I need some work on my local infrastructure to adjust to this move.
> C'est la vie...

If you actually need a repository, and not just the latest files, all
you need is run pkg install git on the machines you are actually using a
ports tree on, if you have more than one machine, you should probably be
using binary packages anyway, either the ones provided by FreeBSD, or
ones built yourself using ports-mgmt/poudriere.  If you only need the
latest files, you can probably use something like net/gitup.

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Kurt Jaeger]

Hi!

> As a minor aside, has anyone stated the reason why the user-base of base
> or ports are moving to git?

Yes:

https://github.com/bsdimp/freebsd-git-docs/blob/main/git-why.md

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Tatsuki Makino]

Mark Millard via freebsd-ports wrote on 2021/04/02 08:13:
>> On 4/1/21 6:04 PM, Tatsuki Makino wrote:
>>> We have to learn by looking at such files. orz
>>> https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/File:Git-svn-cheatsheet.pdf
>>> [...]
> 
> Be careful: Git-svn-cheatsheet.pdf is about how to use git
> with a svn server, not with a git server:
> 
> "Cheatsheet for Git as an SVN Client"
> 
> The "as an SVN Client" is what says that the
> server involved is an SVN server.
> 

I was using it only to find something similar to svn's commands among git's 
many incomprehensible commands. :)
I didn't realize it had that kind of meaning. :)

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Mark Millard via freebsd-ports]

George Mitchell george+freebsd at m5p.com wrote on
Thu Apr 1 22:19:32 UTC 2021 :

> On 4/1/21 6:04 PM, Tatsuki Makino wrote:
> > Dewayne Geraghty wrote on 2021/04/01 17:47:
> >> [...]
> >> Would appreciate if anyone can provide insight as to the 4 git commands
> >> that I need to function, in a manner similar to the way I use svnlite
> >> use.  Git equivalents for:
> >>
> >> svnlite update /usr/ports
> >> svnlite update -r '{$-$MM-$DD}' /usr/ports/$category/$port
> >> svnlite log -l $N /usr/ports/$category/$port
> >> svnlite diff /usr/ports/$category/$port
> >>
> > 
> > We have to learn by looking at such files. orz
> > https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/File:Git-svn-cheatsheet.pdf
> > [...]
> 
> Thank you very much for this link!  -- George

Be careful: Git-svn-cheatsheet.pdf is about how to use git
with a svn server, not with a git server:

"Cheatsheet for Git as an SVN Client"

The "as an SVN Client" is what says that the
server involved is an SVN server.

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[George Mitchell]

On 4/1/21 6:04 PM, Tatsuki Makino wrote:

Dewayne Geraghty wrote on 2021/04/01 17:47:

[...]
Would appreciate if anyone can provide insight as to the 4 git commands
that I need to function, in a manner similar to the way I use svnlite
use.  Git equivalents for:

svnlite update /usr/ports
svnlite update -r '{$-$MM-$DD}' /usr/ports/$category/$port
svnlite log -l $N /usr/ports/$category/$port
svnlite diff /usr/ports/$category/$port



We have to learn by looking at such files. orz
https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/File:Git-svn-cheatsheet.pdf
[...]


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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Tatsuki Makino]

Dewayne Geraghty wrote on 2021/04/01 17:47:
> On 1/04/2021 6:19 pm, Herbert J. Skuhra wrote:
>> https://wiki.freebsd.org/git
>>
> Thanks Milan for bringing this to everyone's attention.
> 
> Would appreciate if anyone can provide insight as to the 4 git commands
> that I need to function, in a manner similar to the way I use svnlite
> use.  Git equivalents for:
> 
> svnlite update /usr/ports
> svnlite update -r '{$-$MM-$DD}' /usr/ports/$category/$port
> svnlite log -l $N /usr/ports/$category/$port
> svnlite diff /usr/ports/$category/$port
> 

We have to learn by looking at such files. orz
https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/File:Git-svn-cheatsheet.pdf

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

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On 01 Apr 2021, at 01:54, Milan Obuch  wrote:
> This is unpleasant move for me. This means git or equivalent (and
> dependencies) must be installed on any box where tracking ports tree is
> planned/needed... and no tool like svnlite could be expected in base
> system for some time.

You only need to install git if you are going to keep git commit hostly and 
branches of the ports, which  you would already be doing if that was something 
you needed, I'd think. Simply updating the ports tree does not require 
installing git.

> So I need some work on my local infrastructure to adjust to this move.

I don't think so, I am pulling the ports tree from the git repo without git 
installed.

 # portmaster -l | grep git
===>>> gitup-0.90_1
 #


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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Trev]

D'Arcy Cain wrote on 01/04/2021 22:08:

On 2021-04-01 4:55 a.m., Bob Eager wrote:

I got a partial answer. There is a port, net/gitup, that will do an
update of sorts. (Note: I was just told 'gitup' and there is an old
port, now renamed 'git-up', which is not the right one).


I just tried gitup and was told tha I had no permissions for 
/var/db/gitup. 


I just tried gitup and it was killed after apparently exhausting my 
swap space. I had no such problem with portsnap :-(


My system (Vultr VPS) has 512K memory and 1.5G swap.

> Can I not run gitup as a normal user?

I don't believe so.
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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Jimmy Renner]

Citerar D'Arcy Cain :


On 2021-04-01 4:55 a.m., Bob Eager wrote:

I got a partial answer. There is a port, net/gitup, that will do an
update of sorts. (Note: I was just told 'gitup' and there is an old
port, now renamed 'git-up', which is not the right one).


I just tried gitup and was told tha I had no permissions for  
/var/db/gitup.  Can I not run gitup as a normal user?




Trying to run the latest poudriere from ports (git) and that seems to  
still use the subversion variant, or do I need to reinitialize  
something?

Have I missed some migration guide for this?

Cheers, Jimmy

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

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On 2021-04-01 4:55 a.m., Bob Eager wrote:

I got a partial answer. There is a port, net/gitup, that will do an
update of sorts. (Note: I was just told 'gitup' and there is an old
port, now renamed 'git-up', which is not the right one).


I just tried gitup and was told tha I had no permissions for 
/var/db/gitup.  Can I not run gitup as a normal user?


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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Jimmy Renner]

Citerar Bob Eager :


On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:47:01 +1100
Dewayne Geraghty  wrote:


Would appreciate if anyone can provide insight as to the 4 git
commands that I need to function, in a manner similar to the way I
use svnlite use.  Git equivalents for:

svnlite update /usr/ports
svnlite update -r '{$-$MM-$DD}' /usr/ports/$category/$port
svnlite log -l $N /usr/ports/$category/$port
svnlite diff /usr/ports/$category/$port


I got a partial answer. There is a port, net/gitup, that will do an
update of sorts. (Note: I was just told 'gitup' and there is an old
port, now renamed 'git-up', which is not the right one).


I'm sure many other users would have a similar usage (and similar
non-knowledge of git)


Indeed. I feel this should have been done in advance. And been in
Appendix A of the Handbook in plenty of time.


As a minor aside, has anyone stated the reason why the user-base of
base or ports are moving to git?


Going with the fashion, IMO. But I will no doubt get shouted down.



If it is deprecated where do I find the information I need, this does  
not help:

https://docs.freebsd.org/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html


Cheers, Jimmy

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Bob Eager]

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:47:01 +1100
Dewayne Geraghty  wrote:

> Would appreciate if anyone can provide insight as to the 4 git
> commands that I need to function, in a manner similar to the way I
> use svnlite use.  Git equivalents for:
> 
> svnlite update /usr/ports
> svnlite update -r '{$-$MM-$DD}' /usr/ports/$category/$port
> svnlite log -l $N /usr/ports/$category/$port
> svnlite diff /usr/ports/$category/$port

I got a partial answer. There is a port, net/gitup, that will do an
update of sorts. (Note: I was just told 'gitup' and there is an old
port, now renamed 'git-up', which is not the right one).
> 
> I'm sure many other users would have a similar usage (and similar
> non-knowledge of git)

Indeed. I feel this should have been done in advance. And been in
Appendix A of the Handbook in plenty of time.

> As a minor aside, has anyone stated the reason why the user-base of
> base or ports are moving to git?

Going with the fashion, IMO. But I will no doubt get shouted down.

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Dewayne Geraghty]

On 1/04/2021 6:19 pm, Herbert J. Skuhra wrote:
> https://wiki.freebsd.org/git
> 
Thanks Milan for bringing this to everyone's attention.

Would appreciate if anyone can provide insight as to the 4 git commands
that I need to function, in a manner similar to the way I use svnlite
use.  Git equivalents for:

svnlite update /usr/ports
svnlite update -r '{$-$MM-$DD}' /usr/ports/$category/$port
svnlite log -l $N /usr/ports/$category/$port
svnlite diff /usr/ports/$category/$port

I'm sure many other users would have a similar usage (and similar
non-knowledge of git)

Is this
git clone -o freebsd --config
remote.freebsd.fetch='+refs/notes/*:refs/notes/*'
https://git.freebsd.org/${repo}.git
really the equivalent of
svnlite update /usr/ports
I have a few changes to the infrastructure that I don't want to loose by
overwriting those changes.

As a minor aside, has anyone stated the reason why the user-base of base
or ports are moving to git?  (And its greatly appreciated that 12-stable
will continue to feed svn as it provides an opportunity for users to
migrate to, what for many, is new)

Kind regards, Dewayne.
PS We use ports to build, no remote packages (since FreeBSD 4).
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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Mathieu Arnold]

On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 09:54:16AM +0200, Milan Obuch wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 09:47:04 +0200, Mathieu Arnold 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 09:16:15AM +0200, Milan Obuch wrote:
> > > Also, what about svn mirror, as is done for src repository, for 11
> > > and 12 branches at least? I did not tried it recently, but it used
> > > to work. For some boxes, adding git to the mix would be big PITA.  
> > 
> > There will be no Git to Subversion conversion for ports, like for
> > docs. The only reason there is for the base system on 11 and 12 is
> > because Subversion was the source control software used when they
> > were released.
> > 
> 
> This is unpleasant move for me. This means git or equivalent (and
> dependencies) must be installed on any box where tracking ports tree is
> planned/needed... and no tool like svnlite could be expected in base
> system for some time.
> 
> So I need some work on my local infrastructure to adjust to this move.
> C'est la vie...

If you actually need a repository, and not just the latest files, all
you need is run pkg install git on the machines you are actually using a
ports tree on, if you have more than one machine, you should probably be
using binary packages anyway, either the ones provided by FreeBSD, or
ones built yourself using ports-mgmt/poudriere.  If you only need the
latest files, you can probably use something like net/gitup.

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

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* Milan Obuch  [20210401 09:54]:
> This is unpleasant move for me. This means git or equivalent (and
> dependencies) must be installed on any box where tracking ports tree is
> planned/needed... and no tool like svnlite could be expected in base
> system for some time.

If all you need is to keep your ports tree up to date, have a look at
net/gitup. No dependencies and can't possibly get any simpler.

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Milan Obuch]

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 09:47:04 +0200, Mathieu Arnold 
wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 09:16:15AM +0200, Milan Obuch wrote:
> > Also, what about svn mirror, as is done for src repository, for 11
> > and 12 branches at least? I did not tried it recently, but it used
> > to work. For some boxes, adding git to the mix would be big PITA.  
> 
> There will be no Git to Subversion conversion for ports, like for
> docs. The only reason there is for the base system on 11 and 12 is
> because Subversion was the source control software used when they
> were released.
> 

This is unpleasant move for me. This means git or equivalent (and
dependencies) must be installed on any box where tracking ports tree is
planned/needed... and no tool like svnlite could be expected in base
system for some time.

So I need some work on my local infrastructure to adjust to this move.
C'est la vie...

Regards,
Milan
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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Mathieu Arnold]

On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 09:16:15AM +0200, Milan Obuch wrote:
> Also, what about svn mirror, as is done for src repository, for 11 and
> 12 branches at least? I did not tried it recently, but it used to work.
> For some boxes, adding git to the mix would be big PITA.

There will be no Git to Subversion conversion for ports, like for docs.
The only reason there is for the base system on 11 and 12 is because
Subversion was the source control software used when they were released.

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Milan Obuch]

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 09:35:11 +0200, Kurt Jaeger  wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> > > The repo moved/is moving to git, so svn is no longer updated.  
> 
> > I did not catch any notice about the move. I know it was planned,
> > but not announcing actual move is... not that nice.  
> 
> The announcement was this post, although it was maybe a bit terse
> on the exact date:
> 
> https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2021-March/120566.html
> 

OK, but one more mail 'HEADSUP: Move to git just started, see $URL' sent
here yesterday would make everything much better visible.

Don't take this as critique, move to git is surely big move, and,
judging from src transition to git and its outcome, allows for better
tooling as well.

As an old fart, I am against changing tools just for the sake of
change, and being not involved in the process directly, I am just
waiting for the end. Only then I start to evaluate new state... I think
there are many like me here.

Regards,
Milan
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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Kurt Jaeger]

Hi!

> > The repo moved/is moving to git, so svn is no longer updated.

> I did not catch any notice about the move. I know it was planned, but
> not announcing actual move is... not that nice.

The announcement was this post, although it was maybe a bit terse
on the exact date:

https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2021-March/120566.html

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Herbert J. Skuhra]

On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 08:22:47AM +0200, Milan Obuch wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> did somebody encountered this issue? I am using svn daily to update
> ports tree on some (maybe 15, exact number not important) boxes. No new
> updates today. I noticed it first actually yesterday afternoon or early
> evening, but I did not consider asking then.
> 
> Is there some breakage in ports infrastructure? I see request comming
> in on ports-bugs mailing list, but no update past revision 569609.
> Also, I did not read anything on switching to git for ports, but I
> would expect svn mirror for older (11 and 12) systems anyway as it is
> done for src tree now.

https://wiki.freebsd.org/git

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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Milan Obuch]

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 09:09:16 +0200, Kurt Jaeger  wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> > did somebody encountered this issue? I am using svn daily to update
> > ports tree on some (maybe 15, exact number not important) boxes. No
> > new updates today. I noticed it first actually yesterday afternoon
> > or early evening, but I did not consider asking then.  
> 
> The repo moved/is moving to git, so svn is no longer updated.
> 

I did not catch any notice about the move. I know it was planned, but
not announcing actual move is... not that nice.

On the other side, it did no damage actually, it was just unusual or
unexpected behavior.

Also, what about svn mirror, as is done for src repository, for 11 and
12 branches at least? I did not tried it recently, but it used to work.
For some boxes, adding git to the mix would be big PITA.

Regards,
Milan
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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Kristof Provost]

On 1 Apr 2021, at 8:22, Milan Obuch wrote:
> did somebody encountered this issue? I am using svn daily to update
> ports tree on some (maybe 15, exact number not important) boxes. No new
> updates today. I noticed it first actually yesterday afternoon or early
> evening, but I did not consider asking then.
>
> Is there some breakage in ports infrastructure? I see request comming
> in on ports-bugs mailing list, but no update past revision 569609.
> Also, I did not read anything on switching to git for ports, but I
> would expect svn mirror for older (11 and 12) systems anyway as it is
> done for src tree now.
>

https://wiki.freebsd.org/git

Best regards,
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Re: No update for a day on ports?

[Kurt Jaeger]

Hi!

> did somebody encountered this issue? I am using svn daily to update
> ports tree on some (maybe 15, exact number not important) boxes. No new
> updates today. I noticed it first actually yesterday afternoon or early
> evening, but I did not consider asking then.

The repo moved/is moving to git, so svn is no longer updated.

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