RE: Demon license?

2005-07-19 Thread Brian Tao
Though I don't mind the banter, you guys may want to trim Ray
Jenson from future messages on this thread.  I don't think a potential
commercial promoter of FreeBSD needs to wade through this sort of
debate.  All he wanted was permission to use the likeness of the
Daemone for promotional purposes.  ;-)
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Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 23:15:29 -0700
From: Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Ray Jenson [EMAIL PROTECTED], freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org,
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Subject: RE: Demon license?



-Original Message-
From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 3:28 PM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: Ray Jenson; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Demon license?


On Monday, 18 July 2005 at  2:23:45 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
 On  Monday, July 18, 2005 1:53 AM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
 On Monday, 18 July 2005 at  1:12:12 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0)
 On  Sunday, July 17, 2005 4:14 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
 The daemon is copyright of Kirk McKusick [EMAIL PROTECTED].
 You should ask him for permission.  In general he gives it if the
 usage is BSD-related, as it appears to be in this case.

 Strictly speaking, the IMAGES of the daemon that are on the
 mckusick.com website are what is copyrighted.  Nothing is stopping
 someone from drawing a 'devil' image and associating it with
 FreeBSD.

 I no longer speak for the FreeBSD project, but we have never
wanted to
 be associated with devils.  I'm sure we would object if
someone drew a
 'devil' image and associated it with FreeBSD.

 Oh, you must think yourself very clever for that bit of deliberate
 misinterpretation.  I hope you don't let it go to your head.

This isn't misinterpretation.  They're your words.  You've been around
the project for a long time, but you still don't understand how
important it is to us to refer to the daemon correctly.


For the second time, I was not referring to The FreeBSD Daemon as
per Kirk's image, in that sentence.

Ted

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RE: Auto Reboot on Panic?

2005-07-19 Thread Norbert Koch
 I would like the box to dump core and reboot on a panic. I think 
 I have set
 the box up to do this, but on the last panic it didn't reboot. I 
 followed the
 information at http://www.bsdatwork.com/2002/03/29/system_panics_part_1/,
 and I have compiled a kernel with makeoptions DEBUG=-g, options KDB,
 options KDB_UNATTENDED.
  
 /etc/rc.conf has these lines: dumpdev=/dev/ad6s1b, 
 dumpdir=/usr/local/var/crash. The box has 768M of RAM, ad6s1b has
 at least that much space, and is configured as swap. 
  
 Can anybody tell me what I have forgotten to do to make the box reboot on
 a panic? Many thanks in advance,
  
 Warren

Hello.

From my understanding of the kernel options:
options PANIC_REBOOT_WAIT_TIME=xx   # seconds before reboot
options KDB_UNATTENDED  # only required if compiled 
with kernel debugger
#   options RESTARTABLE_PANICS  # should not be set

May be, you should also set kern.shutdown.kproc_shutdown_wait
in sysctl.conf to some reasonable time.

Norbert
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Re: gettext won't install

2005-07-19 Thread Paweł Madej
Lowell Gilbert wrote:

Are all of the dependencies up to date?
  

Yes, all of them are up to date, i got also all other apart xterm and
python up to date.

thing is a little bit weird because i got installed fbsd from the same
cd 2 months ago on other computer and then everything goes ok.

thanks for now and looking for some more help

Paul

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Perl module for parsing tcpdump file

2005-07-19 Thread Erik Nørgaard

Hi,

I was wondering if there is a perl module that can read the tcpdump 
formated files produced by pflog. I've been looking in the ports 
collection but can't seem to fine a port whose name decrypts to tcpdump.


I have a script that parses my maillog and blocks owned hosts or relays 
used by owned hosts. Now, I'd like to parse the firewall log to unblock 
those who have become sane again.


Thanks, Erik

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Re: flash plugin not working after portupgraded

2005-07-19 Thread Ian Moore
On Tuesday 19 July 2005 05:07, Jorge Mario G. Mazo wrote:
 Hi there
 I had the www/linuxpluginwrapper flash plugin working
 yesterday I used portupgraded to upgrade and after
 that
 flash is not working anymore

 I tried removing the port and installing again
 buck no luck
 any tips?
 my libmap.conf is the old one
 and every thing else is the same old stuff


 thanks


Last time I upgraded that port, I found the location of the flash plugin had 
changed. I meant to email the maintainer to suggest an entry in UPDATING 
about it, but I don't think I got around to doing that.
Anyway, check that the plugin really exists where your libmap.conf says it is.
I found it had changed from /usr/local/lib to /usr/X11R6/lib so the flash 
section of my libmap.conf now looks like:

# Flash6 with Konqueror (temporary setting)
# old setting:- [/usr/local/lib/linux-flashplugin6/libflashplayer.so]
[/usr/X11R6/lib/linux-flashplugin6/libflashplayer.so]
libpthread.so.0 pluginwrapper/flash6.so
libdl.so.2  pluginwrapper/flash6.so
libz.so.1   libz.so.2
libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3libstdc++.so.4
libm.so.6   libm.so.3
libc.so.6   pluginwrapper/flash6.so

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Re: Perl module for parsing tcpdump file

2005-07-19 Thread Glenn Dawson

At 12:11 AM 7/19/2005, Erik Nørgaard wrote:

Hi,

I was wondering if there is a perl module that can read the tcpdump 
formated files produced by pflog. I've been looking in the ports 
collection but can't seem to fine a port whose name decrypts to tcpdump.


I don't think it's in ports, but this might be what you're looking for:
http://search.cpan.org/~bdgregg/Net-TcpDumpLog-0.11/TcpDumpLog.pm

-Glenn


I have a script that parses my maillog and blocks owned hosts or relays 
used by owned hosts. Now, I'd like to parse the firewall log to unblock 
those who have become sane again.


Thanks, Erik

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Re: Aironet 32-bit CardBus Adapter not attached

2005-07-19 Thread Grigory Klyuchnikov

Hello,

To activate Cisco Aironet 1200 32-bit CardBus Adaptor you need to load 
if_ath driver

(Atheros 5212), for this type the command:

# kldload if_ath

after this you see some messages at the console and network interface 
ath0 or ath1

into the system, then ifconfig ath0 up and yuor card works.

Thanks.

Grigory.

Grigory Klyuchnikov wrote:


Hello,

I have Cisco Aironet 32-bit CardBus Adaptor AIR-CB21AG-A-K9.
When I attach it to the notebook with FreeBSD 5.4, the following
message appears on the console:

kernel: cardbus0: network, ethernet at device 0.0 (no driver attached)

The kernel config has options:

# PCMCIA and cardbus bridge support
device  cbb # cardbus (yenta) bridge
device  pccard  # PC Card (16-bit) bus
device  cardbus # CardBus (32-bit) bus
...

# Wireless NIC cards
device  wlan# 802.11 support
device  an  # Aironet 4500/4800 802.11 wireless NIC
device  awi # BayStack 660 and others
device  wi  # WaveLAN/Intersil/Symbol 802.11
Does it means, that FreeBSD has not support of Aironet 32-bit cardbus 
adapter? And what can I resolve the problem? Maybe anyone has any 
experience with such adapter... Please, tell me any points to docs or

some examples...

Thanks.

PS: But Aironet 16-bit pccard works OK.

Regards,
Grigory Klyuchnikov, System Engineer,
Institute for System Programming
Russian Academy of Sciences
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Re: Change of FQDN

2005-07-19 Thread Ivailo Tanusheff
You should check /etc/rc.conf and /etc/hosts
Also check every service you are using - in their config files you may 
also have FQDN
And after that check your log files for any errors, reported by the system 
and services :)

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Hiya,

Just a quick question, I need to change the domain name of a machine
running 5.4. I see that it is set when the machine boots up but I can't
find out where is is set.

Rob

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Problems with samba over VPN

2005-07-19 Thread cell
Hello , i have created a VPN  ( with openvpn-2.0_3  on freebsd 5.4 ) between my 
network who has a gateway on freebsd 5.4 and others computer on win xp, 
and a network who has windows xp home as gateway.Windows xp home used openvpn 2 
too and i have created a bridge in my freebsd gateway and the windows xp 
gateway have created a bridge too.Now , i have configured samba on my freebsd 
gateway and i must see normally  (in my computers on windows xp ) the windows 
xp gateway of the other network in my workgroup but i just see this computer 
for ten minutes !!! After that , i don't see it any more and i don't understand 
why !!! Anyone have an idea for this problem ?
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Re: /boot on a separate partition

2005-07-19 Thread Alex Zbyslaw

Ross Kendall Axe wrote:



That's what I'm going for now.  100MB in / and the rest of the disk 
given to /usr and swap.  Bit of pain really, I thought the whole idea 
of keeping the bootloader files in /boot was so that /boot could be a 
separate partition.


Being pragmatic, the problems you are facing are because you have such a 
tiny disk in an ancient PC.  This puts you in a very small minority of 
FreeBSD users.  A separate /boot is new to 5.X and I doubt it was done 
to help you out of this situation.   Developer effort is limited and 
since FreeBSD has never used a separate /boot, it's unlikely to get 
anyone's attention to do it that way unless there is a very good reason, 
and tiny disks are unlikely to be it.


The oldest PC I have that runs FreeBSD (also a Pentium) has a 4 and an 
8Gb disk, and no problem booting off the ends of either.  It's who knows 
how old, and even charities don't want it because they can't think of 
anything useful that anyone could do with it, even if it was the bees 
knees when I got it.


Depending on where you are located, you might be able to find something 
very cheap (but still better than yours) in classifieds, computer fairs, 
2nd hand shops or the local tip.


Best,

--Alex

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Delete files in directory...

2005-07-19 Thread Casper


 Hi,

 Sorry, simple, stupid q. How to make that what come in directory 
/usr/files/ for example are erased? Or only put in cron after while do 
rm /usr/files/*?


tnx,
Casper

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RE: Demon license?

2005-07-19 Thread Ray Jenson
It was not my intention to start a flame war, folks. I'm sorry. I didn't
realize what a hot topic this little daemon is, and I really didn't mean to
step on anyone's feel-bads or press anyone's hot-buttons.

I've taken the tongue-in-cheek comments as just that: tongue-in-cheek. I'm
not a member of this community, but it still seems I've done more to
further the division than heal it.

I've explained which side I'm on. I'm firmly pro-Beastie. But this was not
the issue I originally wanted to discuss.

I wanted to know whom I should contact regarding the use of Mr. Beast, and
that question has largely been answered.

And now the subject is breaking down into a flame war about whether or not
the iconographic daemon should be changed or not. The facts of the matter
are, I never intended for this to happen, and I offer my solemn apologies
for starting it. Yes, it's all my fault, even if I didn't realize what a can
of worms I was opening.

Please, let's try to be civil! Finger-pointing and ridicule are not proper
tools for rational discussion. They are also, in my experience,
counter-productive (I lost my first wife to this, as well as an enormous
number of business opportunities).

SO, to try to undo some of the damage that I've done and put this on a more
constructive path, I'd like to respond to both Grog and Ted.

Says Groggy:

Personally, I think it's a good idea to create for ourselves something 
that can contribute to a public face less open to misinterpretation 
while still safeguarding part of the community culture. I haven't 
spoken up on it so far because I saw no need to. I submit that it's 
entirely possible that there are many like me. Being more vocal does 
not make you the majority.

Being more vocal does not, in fact, make you the majority, but it does in
practice. Evidence of this include extremist factions like al-Qaida, the
neo-Nazis, and the Sierra Club. These groups are the most vocal
representations of their respective political agendas, but far from
represent the whole. The terrorist organization of al-Qaida, for example, is
one of the most vocal groups in the Middle East, but they do not actually
corner the market on the religion of Islam, or even anti-American sentiment
in the region. They are a vast minority. The neo-Nazis are another example.
They claim to represent the white race. However, not all white people are
racists, nor all Americans, Swedes, Germans, or any other nationality that
they claim to represent. I myself am considered white but I am far from
being anything even remotely resembling a racist. And then there's the
Sierra Club, who claims to represent environmentalism in general. I can see
their hearts are in the right place, but they really don't have a leg to
stand on, with regard to a lot of the claims they generated over the years.
They did, in fact, prevent proscribed burning in Colorado, which has
effectively killed off a great deal of the forests because of the need for
proscribed burns which help distribute seeds of certain foliage.

And now for Ted:

 The FreeBSD Project isn't just composed of the core members and the
 software.  It encompasses that as well as the entire userbase.  If you
 want the userbase to come round to your point of view on this logo thing,
 then you need to handle the userbase with respect.

And so do you, including those whom you disagree with. The entire purpose of
keeping this discussion going is to arrive at a general consensus, benefit
everyone (including Grog), and make a kind of open community forum for being
able to discuss the possibilities. I found your post needling and
disrespectful to Groggy, and while I disagree with Grog's points, I disagree
with your methods. Please try to be more respectful or leave me out of the
includes.

This being said, you do bring up some very valid points:

 So far the userbase has NOT been asked to vote on this topic.

This, to me, points to either a fear of outright rejection or a splintering
of the group into factions. NetBSD, for example, seems to be anti-Beastie,
and I couldn't find one solitary logo anywhere on their site that even
remotely referred to the daemon image. My thought is that this is fine.
FreeBSD can retain the beast, and those dissatisfied with the beast image
are free to develop another BSD version, right? So, if you really want to
splinter the group, by all means push for a change that the majority doesn't
really want.

Okay, now for the general stuff:

It's silly and extreme to divide so thoroughly over something that doesn't
really impact the quality of the OS. The logo for FreeBSD is the daemon, and
this is a de facto standard (defaulted to because of its continued use
over the years). To change the logo is to change the entire identity of the
product, in this case. The daemon has served today (now that I know a bit
more about it) to remind me that the way that the system operates is with
different server daemons. These programs are so incredibly useful at keeping
the 

Cross-compiling for other architectures

2005-07-19 Thread Chris Hodgins
Hi all,

Is it possible to cross-compile the base system for the sparc
architecture from an x86 machine?  I thought I had seen an article on
setting this sort of thing up before but I can no longer find it.

Thanks
Chris
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Remove GRUB?

2005-07-19 Thread Michael Dexter


Hello,

I was experimenting with the GRUB bootloader and would now like to 
remove it. Something went wrong and I must now use a bootable CD that 
gives me an option to boot to the first partition and the system 
boots fine.


man bsdlabel gives:

Installing Bootstraps
 If the -B argument is specified, bootstrap code will be read from the
 file /boot/boot and written to the disk.

Assuming that this affects the mbr of the who drive, I tried:

localhost# bsdlabel -B /dev/ad0
localhost# bsdlabel: /dev/ad0: no valid label found

No problem, let's try the root partition:

bsdlabel -B /dev/da0s1a

No error, it blinked the hard drive activity light and appears to 
have done something but alas, it still reports a GRUB error 21 rather 
than given any sign of the FreeBSD loader.


Any pointers to the rescue/install procedures applicable to this?

Best regards,

Michael Dexter
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Re: Iwkiy

2005-07-19 Thread radionoticias
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Re: Remove GRUB?

2005-07-19 Thread Glenn Dawson

At 03:25 AM 7/19/2005, Michael Dexter wrote:


Hello,

I was experimenting with the GRUB bootloader and would now like to remove 
it. Something went wrong and I must now use a bootable CD that gives me an 
option to boot to the first partition and the system boots fine.


man bsdlabel gives:

Installing Bootstraps
 If the -B argument is specified, bootstrap code will be read from the
 file /boot/boot and written to the disk.

Assuming that this affects the mbr of the who drive, I tried:

localhost# bsdlabel -B /dev/ad0
localhost# bsdlabel: /dev/ad0: no valid label found

No problem, let's try the root partition:

bsdlabel -B /dev/da0s1a

No error, it blinked the hard drive activity light and appears to have 
done something but alas, it still reports a GRUB error 21 rather than 
given any sign of the FreeBSD loader.


Any pointers to the rescue/install procedures applicable to this?


Did you use fdisk to check and see if the first slice is marked as active? 
Here's a sample from one of my systems:


Media sector size is 512
Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1
Information from DOS bootblock is:
The data for partition 1 is:
sysid 165 (0xa5),(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD)
start 63, size 10474317 (5114 Meg), flag 80 (active)
beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1;
end: cyl 651/ head 254/ sector 63
The data for partition 2 is:
sysid 165 (0xa5),(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD)
start 10474380, size 10458315 (5106 Meg), flag 0
beg: cyl 652/ head 0/ sector 1;
end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63
The data for partition 3 is:
UNUSED
The data for partition 4 is:
UNUSED

note the flag 80 in the first entry.

-Glenn



Best regards,

Michael Dexter
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Re: Application hosting and insurance

2005-07-19 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 07:40:24AM -0500, Chad Albert wrote:
 I work for a company that hosts mission critical data and applications
 for healthcare companies.  We are seeking an insurer to cover our
 liabilities in case of an unforeseen data loss.  Does anybody on the
 list have experience (good or bad) that they can share?

A company that I have heard quite a bit about, but that I have never
personally had any involvement with is Marsh  McClennan:

http://www.marsh.com/

These are the worlds' top specialist insurers for IT and related
fields.

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Re: Remove GRUB?

2005-07-19 Thread Michael Dexter


I was experimenting with the GRUB bootloader and would now like to 
remove it. Something went wrong and I must now use a bootable CD 
that gives me an option to boot to the first partition and the 
system boots fine.


man bsdlabel gives:

Installing Bootstraps
 If the -B argument is specified, bootstrap code will be read from the
 file /boot/boot and written to the disk.

Assuming that this affects the mbr of the who drive, I tried:

localhost# bsdlabel -B /dev/ad0
localhost# bsdlabel: /dev/ad0: no valid label found

No problem, let's try the root partition:

bsdlabel -B /dev/da0s1a

No error, it blinked the hard drive activity light and appears to 
have done something but alas, it still reports a GRUB error 21 
rather than given any sign of the FreeBSD loader.


Any pointers to the rescue/install procedures applicable to this?


Did you use fdisk to check and see if the first slice is marked as 
active? Here's a sample from one of my systems:


Media sector size is 512
Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1
Information from DOS bootblock is:
The data for partition 1 is:
sysid 165 (0xa5),(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD)
start 63, size 10474317 (5114 Meg), flag 80 (active)
beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1;
end: cyl 651/ head 254/ sector 63
The data for partition 2 is:
sysid 165 (0xa5),(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD)
start 10474380, size 10458315 (5106 Meg), flag 0
beg: cyl 652/ head 0/ sector 1;
end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63
The data for partition 3 is:
UNUSED
The data for partition 4 is:
UNUSED

note the flag 80 in the first entry.


The results appear similar:

localhost# fdisk ad0
*** Working on device /dev/ad0 ***
parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are:
cylinders=155061 heads=16 sectors/track=63 (1008 blks/cyl)

Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1
parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are:
cylinders=155061 heads=16 sectors/track=63 (1008 blks/cyl)

Media sector size is 512
Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1
Information from DOS bootblock is:
The data for partition 1 is:
sysid 165 (0xa5),(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD)
start 63, size 81915372 (39997 Meg), flag 80 (active)
beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1;
end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63
The data for partition 2 is:
sysid 131 (0x83),(Linux native)
start 81915435, size 61432560 (29996 Meg), flag 0
beg: cyl 1023/ head 255/ sector 63;
end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63
The data for partition 3 is:
sysid 130 (0x82),(Linux swap or Solaris x86)
start 143347995, size 12948390 (6322 Meg), flag 0
beg: cyl 1023/ head 255/ sector 63;
end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63
The data for partition 4 is:
UNUSED
localhost#

On a related note, once working, how does one configure the FreeBSD 
loader to give the Linux partition as an option? It seems to have 
happened automagically in the past.


Thanks,

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Re: Remove GRUB?

2005-07-19 Thread Michael Dexter


Glenn's suggestion of fdisk lead me to bring up the fdisk man page, 
which points to boot0cfg(8). Perhaps this is the utility I am after?


Michael.




At 03:25 AM 7/19/2005, Michael Dexter wrote:


Hello,

I was experimenting with the GRUB bootloader and would now like to 
remove it. Something went wrong and I must now use a bootable CD 
that gives me an option to boot to the first partition and the 
system boots fine.


man bsdlabel gives:

Installing Bootstraps
 If the -B argument is specified, bootstrap code will be read from the
 file /boot/boot and written to the disk.

Assuming that this affects the mbr of the who drive, I tried:

localhost# bsdlabel -B /dev/ad0
localhost# bsdlabel: /dev/ad0: no valid label found

No problem, let's try the root partition:

bsdlabel -B /dev/da0s1a

No error, it blinked the hard drive activity light and appears to 
have done something but alas, it still reports a GRUB error 21 
rather than given any sign of the FreeBSD loader.


Any pointers to the rescue/install procedures applicable to this?


Did you use fdisk to check and see if the first slice is marked as 
active? Here's a sample from one of my systems:


Media sector size is 512
Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1
Information from DOS bootblock is:
The data for partition 1 is:
sysid 165 (0xa5),(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD)
start 63, size 10474317 (5114 Meg), flag 80 (active)
beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1;
end: cyl 651/ head 254/ sector 63
The data for partition 2 is:
sysid 165 (0xa5),(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD)
start 10474380, size 10458315 (5106 Meg), flag 0
beg: cyl 652/ head 0/ sector 1;
end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63
The data for partition 3 is:
UNUSED
The data for partition 4 is:
UNUSED

note the flag 80 in the first entry.

-Glenn


Best regards,

Michael Dexter
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Re: Cross-compiling for other architectures

2005-07-19 Thread Kövesdán Gábor

Chris Hodgins wrote:


Is it possible to cross-compile the base system for the sparc
architecture from an x86 machine?  I thought I had seen an article on
setting this sort of thing up before but I can no longer find it.
 


You should use the TARGET_ARCH macro. See release(7).

Cheers,

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Re: Cross-compiling for other architectures

2005-07-19 Thread Chris Hodgins
On 7/19/05, Kövesdán Gábor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Chris Hodgins wrote:
 
 Is it possible to cross-compile the base system for the sparc
 architecture from an x86 machine?  I thought I had seen an article on
 setting this sort of thing up before but I can no longer find it.
 
 
 You should use the TARGET_ARCH macro. See release(7).
 
 Cheers,
 
 Gábor Kövesdán
 

Brilliant.  Thanks for the very quick response.

Chris
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Re: Remove GRUB?

2005-07-19 Thread Fabian Keil
Michael Dexter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was experimenting with the GRUB bootloader and would now like to 
 remove it. Something went wrong and I must now use a bootable CD 
 that gives me an option to boot to the first partition and the 
 system boots fine.
 
 man bsdlabel gives:
 
 Installing Bootstraps
   If the -B argument is specified, bootstrap code will be read from the
   file /boot/boot and written to the disk.
 
 Assuming that this affects the mbr of the who drive, I tried:
 
 localhost# bsdlabel -B /dev/ad0
 localhost# bsdlabel: /dev/ad0: no valid label found
 
 No problem, let's try the root partition:
 
 bsdlabel -B /dev/da0s1a
 
 No error, it blinked the hard drive activity light and appears to 
 have done something but alas, it still reports a GRUB error 21 
 rather than given any sign of the FreeBSD loader.
 
 Any pointers to the rescue/install procedures applicable to this?
 
 Did you use fdisk to check and see if the first slice is marked as 
 active? Here's a sample from one of my systems:
 
 Media sector size is 512
 Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1
 Information from DOS bootblock is:
 The data for partition 1 is:
 sysid 165 (0xa5),(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD)
  start 63, size 10474317 (5114 Meg), flag 80 (active)
  beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1;
  end: cyl 651/ head 254/ sector 63
 The data for partition 2 is:
 sysid 165 (0xa5),(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD)
  start 10474380, size 10458315 (5106 Meg), flag 0
  beg: cyl 652/ head 0/ sector 1;
  end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63
 The data for partition 3 is:
 UNUSED
 The data for partition 4 is:
 UNUSED
 
 note the flag 80 in the first entry.
 
 The results appear similar:
 
 localhost# fdisk ad0
 *** Working on device /dev/ad0 ***
 parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are:
 cylinders=155061 heads=16 sectors/track=63 (1008 blks/cyl)
 
 Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1
 parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are:
 cylinders=155061 heads=16 sectors/track=63 (1008 blks/cyl)
 
 Media sector size is 512
 Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1
 Information from DOS bootblock is:
 The data for partition 1 is:
 sysid 165 (0xa5),(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD)
  start 63, size 81915372 (39997 Meg), flag 80 (active)
  beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1;
  end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63
 The data for partition 2 is:
 sysid 131 (0x83),(Linux native)
  start 81915435, size 61432560 (29996 Meg), flag 0
  beg: cyl 1023/ head 255/ sector 63;
  end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63
 The data for partition 3 is:
 sysid 130 (0x82),(Linux swap or Solaris x86)
  start 143347995, size 12948390 (6322 Meg), flag 0
  beg: cyl 1023/ head 255/ sector 63;
  end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63
 The data for partition 4 is:
 UNUSED
 localhost#
 
 On a related note, once working, how does one configure the FreeBSD 
 loader to give the Linux partition as an option? It seems to have 
 happened automagically in the past.

Are you sure you are talking about the boot loader, not the boot manager?
I'd say boot0cfg is what you need.

Fabian
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Re: Courier-IMAPD problem with fam(d)

2005-07-19 Thread Kövesdán Gábor

David Kelly wrote:

/var/log/maillog is spayed full of the following message repeated  
hundreds or thousands of times. No matter if the courier-imap port is  
with or with out FAM.


Jul 18 19:44:19 Grumpy imapd: Failed to create cache file:  
maildirwatch (dkelly)

Jul 18 19:44:19 Grumpy imapd: Error: Input/output error
Jul 18 19:44:19 Grumpy imapd: Check for proper operation and  
configuration

Jul 18 19:44:19 Grumpy imapd: of the File Access Monitor daemon (famd).

The only client used is Apple's Mail.app. This has been going on for  
the past year. Sometimes in spite of the error log messages all seems  
to be Good Enough. Then other times Mail.app can't hold a connection.


Elsewhere found a suggestion that the following in my FreeBSD-hosted  
Maildir would help, but has not:


% cd Maildir
% ln -s . .INBOX
% ln -s . .INBOX.

Just now when I deleted the above symbolic links, my mail downloaded  
altho there is another of the above imapd error messages in maillog,  
apparently one for each mailbox message downloaded.


When ever Mail.app gets stuck it seems like all is needed is for the  
mailbox directory to change somehow, or a message or two downloaded,  
deleted or something, then Mail.app is perfectly happy.


Bulk in maillog is nothing but a nuisance. Failed connection is  
worse. How the heck is fam supposed to be configured? Or how the heck  
can I get rid of it?


The mail/courier-imap port installs famd as a dependency, but You have 
to manually configure and start it. Take a look at 
/usr/local/etc/fam.conf. Anyway, this is a deficiency in the new 
versions of courier-imap. There isn't some kind of --without-fam 
configure options, the new versions require fam.
As for me, I had the same problem with it. My maillog was full of junk, 
but I didn't notice any kind of error. I could use imap well, but the 
junk in my log was very annoying, so I applied a little hack.
I did make patch and found the logging part of the source code and 
simply deleted those lines. Now, I had a well-working mail system and 
there isn't such junk in my maillog.


Cheers,

Gábor Kövesdán
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Re: Remove GRUB?

2005-07-19 Thread Michael Dexter



Are you sure you are talking about the boot loader, not the boot manager?
I'd say boot0cfg is what you need.

Fabian


Fabian makes a good point but the goal is to be rid of GRUB.

I ran 'boot0cfg -Bv ad0' (Bootstrap and verbosity)

And on boot I get a more comforting:

F1 FreeBSD
F2 Linux
F3 ??

Looks perfect but unfortunately, F1, F2 and F3 are ingored until the 
keyboard buffer fills up beep beep beep... but fortunately it then 
goes to the boot prompt with beastie after a long timeout.


Thoughts?

Thanks to all who helped.

Michael.
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Re: Courier-IMAPD problem with fam(d)

2005-07-19 Thread David Kelly


On Jul 19, 2005, at 6:36 AM, Kövesdán Gábor wrote:


The mail/courier-imap port installs famd as a dependency, but You  
have to manually configure and start it. Take a look at /usr/local/ 
etc/fam.conf.


I don't see anything about starting there or in fam(1M) other than  
if fam is started by inetd.


Anyway, this is a deficiency in the new versions of courier-imap.  
There isn't some kind of --without-fam configure options, the new  
versions require fam.


/usr/ports/mail/courier-imap/Makefile says fam is disabled by default:

OPTIONS=OPENSSL Build with OpenSSL  
supporton \
FAM Build in fam support for IDLE  
command off \
DRACBuild in DRAC  
support off \
TRASHQUOTA  Include deleted mails in the  
quotaoff \
GDBMUse gdbm db instead of system  
bdb off \
IPV6Build with IPv6  
support   on


I suspect but haven't been able to prove fam is somehow running, if  
only as a library linked to imapd. When Mail.app has connection  
problems its instantly disconnected but sometimes a few messages get  
thru. Sometimes a simple ssh to the FreeBSD machine, mutt to view the  
mailbox, close it with messages now tagged as old, is all it takes  
for Mail.app and courier-imap combination to be happy.


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Re: Questions about no window found error

2005-07-19 Thread Conrad Sabatier
On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 10:03:21AM +0800, Kun Niu wrote:
 Dear freebsd users,
 
 I've got such a strange question.
 I can start my xwindow.
 But each time I use mozilla bundled with my 5.3 release.
 I found the error no window found error

This is normal, and is not really an error per se.  The Mozilla port is 
actually run from a script, which first checks for an already running 
instance before launching a new browser.

 It also strange that I can start x, but I can't get startkde run.
 I really installed kde on my computer.
 Can anyone give any hints?

If you could post the error messages you're getting when you try to start 
KDE, perhaps someone could tell you what's wrong.

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Re: Courier-IMAPD problem with fam(d)

2005-07-19 Thread Kövesdán Gábor

David Kelly wrote:



On Jul 19, 2005, at 6:36 AM, Kövesdán Gábor wrote:



The mail/courier-imap port installs famd as a dependency, but You  
have to manually configure and start it. Take a look at /usr/local/ 
etc/fam.conf.



I don't see anything about starting there or in fam(1M) other than  
if fam is started by inetd.


Honestly speaking I don't know how to start it. Maybe inetd starts it, 
maybe courier-imap or You might start it manually?! Unfortunately I dont 
have such problems You have without fam. But if You have found out 
please let me know, I'm interested. :)


Anyway, this is a deficiency in the new versions of courier-imap.  
There isn't some kind of --without-fam configure options, the new  
versions require fam.



/usr/ports/mail/courier-imap/Makefile says fam is disabled by default:

OPTIONS=OPENSSL Build with OpenSSL  
supporton \
FAM Build in fam support for IDLE  
command off \
DRACBuild in DRAC  
support off \
TRASHQUOTA  Include deleted mails in the  
quotaoff \
GDBMUse gdbm db instead of system  
bdb off \
IPV6Build with IPv6  
support   on


If You take a look what the WITH_FAM macro actually does, You'll see it 
only adds fam as a dependency and adds some extra cc flags, but leave 
the CONFIGURE_ARGS untouched. Afaik fam can't be actually disabled in 
courier-imap.


.if defined(WITH_FAM) || exists(${LOCALBASE}/lib/libfam.so)
CONFIGURE_ENV=  CPPFLAGS=-I${LOCALBASE}/include \
   LDFLAGS=${LDFLAGS}
LDFLAGS+=   -L${LOCALBASE}/lib
LIB_DEPENDS+=   fam.0:${PORTSDIR}/devel/fam
.endif


I suspect but haven't been able to prove fam is somehow running, if  
only as a library linked to imapd. When Mail.app has connection  
problems its instantly disconnected but sometimes a few messages get  
thru. Sometimes a simple ssh to the FreeBSD machine, mutt to view the  
mailbox, close it with messages now tagged as old, is all it takes  
for Mail.app and courier-imap combination to be happy.


Likely there is the libfam.so linked, as You can see above, but that is 
only a prerequisite to use famd. Famd must be running as a separate 
process and courier-imap connects to famd with the help of libfam.


Cheers,

Gábor Kövesdán
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5.x ipdivert.ko with pf and natd?

2005-07-19 Thread Michael Dexter


Hello,

I would like to use natd with packet filter under FreeBSD 5.4.

The rc.conf man page states that I want: natd_enable=YES and that 
if the kernel was not built with options IPDIVERT, the ipdivert.ko 
kernel module will be loaded.


Unfortunately, the module ipdivert.ko does not appear to exist in /boot/kernel/

... but I do see it in 6.x filesystem.

I tried building a kernel with:

options IPDIVERT

and that did not appear to produce the module (depends on ipfw though 
I want to use pf?).


I do however see the source in: /usr/src/sys/netinet/ip_divert.c

1. Am I overlooking the prebuilt module in 5.x?
2. Can I simply build the module on its own without a full buildkernel?
3. Given that buildkernel did not produce it, how can I produce it?

Thanks!

Michael.
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Re: I have found a pc on the side curb

2005-07-19 Thread Emanuel Strobl
Am Dienstag, 19. Juli 2005 00:17 CEST schrieb Greg 'groggy' Lehey:
 On Monday, 18 July 2005 at 11:13:42 -0400, Martin wrote:
  [missing attribution]
 
  a pentium 133mhz with freebsd.  I was woundering if there was away
  around the login: admin password: *
 
  maybe there is a universal password for admin that bypass all
   password. something like that.

 Yes, there's a way, and it's described in The Complete FreeBSD
 (O'Reilly).  I suppose the people on the mailing list are,

Good hint, once upon a time, when I had my first contact with FreeBSD, I 
also needed to circumvent the login and the book helped a lot!

-Harry

 understandably, a little dubious about the intentions of the person
 whom you quote above.

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Re: Demon license?

2005-07-19 Thread Josh Ockert
This is somewhat off-topic, but I'd like to point out that I'm not the
one raising the issue.

There have been numerous attempts on -questions to paint the advocates
of a new logo as anti-Beastie. Specifically, Ted, you claim that The
agitators in the FreeBSD project that want to jettison it are falling
all over themselves to carefully explain how that ... really isn't so
strongly identified with FreeBSD. There are no plans to jettison
Beastie, and it has never been claimed that he's not associated with
FreeBSD. Your making this statement is irresponsible behavior and I
for one am going to block the address of anyone who continues on in
this manner.

The logo contest website very specifically says that Beastie will
still be the mascot. From this I conclude one of: a) You have not read
the website and have no idea what you're talking about. b) Are
intentionally trying to start arguments (we call this trolling). c)
Don't know that a mascot is a personified figure associated with
something.

Furthermore, you and some of those sharing your viewpoints have tried
to paint those wishing for a different logo as in the extreme
minority. Personally, I think it's a good idea to create for ourselves
something that can contribute to a public face less open to
misinterpretation while still safeguarding part of the community
culture. I haven't spoken up on it so far because I saw no need to. I
submit that it's entirely possible that there are many like me. Being
more vocal does not make you the majority.

Lastly, I would think that those in The Project are very able to
make decisions like this. It is a meritocracy. Having a contest open
to the public gathers opinions from the community. I wouldn't call
that fascist, yet you seem to try to imply that it is.

In short, take a chill pill.

As to the subject of copyright infringement, allowing other
Beastie-like images to be associated with FreeBSD is not copyright
infringement. Gentoo's penguin is not copyright infringement. Stylized
logos that are merely similar do not infringe on eachother. That's
like suggesting that a professional photographer at a wedding owns all
amateur wedding photos taken by friends and family attending the
event. It is not a subject that is copyrighted, or nobody would be
able to paint flowers anymore. It is the image itself. Any work that
is arrived at independently cannot possibly infringe on another's
copyright. So a redrawing of a daemon that is not a copy of Kirk's is
completely legal. (IANAL.. yet. Give me a couple more years and the
MBE though and that'll change).
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Re: Demon license?

2005-07-19 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Monday, 18 July 2005 at  2:23:45 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
 On  Monday, July 18, 2005 1:53 AM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
 On Monday, 18 July 2005 at  1:12:12 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0)
 On  Sunday, July 17, 2005 4:14 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
 The daemon is copyright of Kirk McKusick [EMAIL PROTECTED].
 You should ask him for permission.  In general he gives it if the
 usage is BSD-related, as it appears to be in this case.

 Strictly speaking, the IMAGES of the daemon that are on the
 mckusick.com website are what is copyrighted.  Nothing is stopping
 someone from drawing a 'devil' image and associating it with
 FreeBSD.

 I no longer speak for the FreeBSD project, but we have never wanted to
 be associated with devils.  I'm sure we would object if someone drew a
 'devil' image and associated it with FreeBSD.

 Oh, you must think yourself very clever for that bit of deliberate
 misinterpretation.  I hope you don't let it go to your head.

This isn't misinterpretation.  They're your words.  You've been around
the project for a long time, but you still don't understand how
important it is to us to refer to the daemon correctly.

 On a more serious note, the userbase is objecting to certain members
 of The Project wanting to jettison the daemon image, and replace it
 with an image of a stuffed Teddy Bear (or something equally
 politically correct) so in the absense of the Project having much
 respect for what the userbase wants in the area of FreeBSD images,
 you can hardly expect the userbase to have much respect for what the
 Project wants in the area of FreeBSD images, now can you?

I must be out of touch.  I haven't seen any of this.

Greg
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RE: Demon license?

2005-07-19 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


-Original Message-
From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 3:28 PM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: Ray Jenson; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Demon license?


On Monday, 18 July 2005 at  2:23:45 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
 On  Monday, July 18, 2005 1:53 AM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
 On Monday, 18 July 2005 at  1:12:12 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0)
 On  Sunday, July 17, 2005 4:14 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
 The daemon is copyright of Kirk McKusick [EMAIL PROTECTED].
 You should ask him for permission.  In general he gives it if the
 usage is BSD-related, as it appears to be in this case.

 Strictly speaking, the IMAGES of the daemon that are on the
 mckusick.com website are what is copyrighted.  Nothing is stopping
 someone from drawing a 'devil' image and associating it with
 FreeBSD.

 I no longer speak for the FreeBSD project, but we have never 
wanted to
 be associated with devils.  I'm sure we would object if 
someone drew a
 'devil' image and associated it with FreeBSD.

 Oh, you must think yourself very clever for that bit of deliberate
 misinterpretation.  I hope you don't let it go to your head.

This isn't misinterpretation.  They're your words.  You've been around
the project for a long time, but you still don't understand how
important it is to us to refer to the daemon correctly.


For the second time, I was not referring to The FreeBSD Daemon as
per Kirk's image, in that sentence.

Ted
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RE: Demon license?

2005-07-19 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


-Original Message-
From: Josh Ockert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 10:54 AM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: Greg 'groggy' Lehey; Ray Jenson; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Demon license?


This is somewhat off-topic, but I'd like to point out that I'm not the
one raising the issue.

There have been numerous attempts on -questions to paint the advocates
of a new logo as anti-Beastie. Specifically, Ted, you claim that The
agitators in the FreeBSD project that want to jettison it are falling
all over themselves to carefully explain how that ... really isn't so
strongly identified with FreeBSD. There are no plans to jettison
Beastie, and it has never been claimed that he's not associated with
FreeBSD. Your making this statement is irresponsible behavior and I
for one am going to block the address of anyone who continues on in
this manner.


Go ahead.  Blocking it just shows that you are totally unwilling to
consider any position different than your own.  I am at least
willing to continue to discuss it.

Much like the current US President George Bush blocks his ears when
people point out to him that he committed to fire whoever leaked
a covert CIA operative's identity - then when it was discovered that
his right-hand-man did it, he goes back on his word.

If you block the address of anyone who continues on in this manner
you simply prove my point for me - that the proponents of this
anti-Beastie
crusade only care what they want, not what anyone else wants.

The logo contest website very specifically says that Beastie will
still be the mascot. From this I conclude one of: a) You have not read
the website and have no idea what you're talking about. b) Are
intentionally trying to start arguments (we call this trolling). c)
Don't know that a mascot is a personified figure associated with
something.


This mascot argument has been brought up before and disproved
before.  Beastie has been treated as the Project's logo since FreeBSD 1.1
He has been referred to as a mascot - irregularly - but his image has
been used as the defacto logo image for FreeBSD.

Perhaps nobody that YOU might consider authoratative has ever made a
blanket statement that Beastie's image is the official FreeBSD Project's
Logo however that is nothing more than a semantic argument.  His
image has been USED as the logo on just about every CDROM pressing
that Walnut Creek ever sold, and in numerous other websites and
on the FreeBSD Project's website.  And I am not talking about the full
color images on the front of the CD jewel cases, I'm talking about the
minature Beastie logo image on the back.  Face the fact, Beastie is the
current logo.

Now, you may argue that it is time for the FreeBSD Project to change
it's logo - although I have yet to see a logical reason for this -
and I think I and the userbase would have some respect for this
argument if you could use a logical proof.  But your argument that
he never was the logo to begin with is nothing more than an attempt
to side-step the discussion of why do we need to change the logo now.

In short, you know your arguments for making a logo change won't hold
water so you would rather not have to make them - so your going to
try to argue that you don't have to make them since he was never
the logo to begin with

This is a cowards argument and not one that will generate any respect
among the userbase.

And trying to argue that there's room for both a logo and a mascot
is purely an argument of appeasement.  There can only be one recognizable
imagery for The FreeBSD Project, just as for ANY product.  And the
appeasement argument also totally ignores that it is the userbase's
choice of what imagery they recognize as being associated with FreeBSD
that is going to win.  If the userbase turns it's back on the new logo
that this ill-advised contest comes up with, then your going to be
stuck with Beastie continuing to be used and recognized as the 'real'
logo.

The situation would be analogous to if one day Microsoft decided they
wanted to stop using the Windows logo and the word Windows to refer
to their product line.  It wouldn't work because the Windows userbase
would simply ignore any alternative attempt at a logo than the flying
Window.

Furthermore, you and some of those sharing your viewpoints have tried
to paint those wishing for a different logo as in the extreme
minority.

They are.

Personally, I think it's a good idea to create for ourselves
something that can contribute to a public face less open to
misinterpretation while still safeguarding part of the community
culture. I haven't spoken up on it so far because I saw no need to. I
submit that it's entirely possible that there are many like me. Being
more vocal does not make you the majority.


Yes, as a matter of fact, it does.  The FreeBSD Project isn't just
composed of the core members and the software.  It encompasses
that as well as the entire userbase.  If you want the userbase to

help

2005-07-19 Thread Rommi Alvian (MTHK/EDP)
 I am deeply interested with freeBSD. currently, i am a windows expert then
i am trying to move into freeBSD. The problem is no one can teach me. i have
read xxxguide but it can't help me. does freeBSD support GUI interface? 

please help step by step..

thanks

alvian
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Hardware issue

2005-07-19 Thread Kemokai, Saffa

There used to be a list for FreeBSD hardware vendors. I bought a U-Server
with Intel Celeron CPU recently from eRacks.com that turns out to be
extremely noisy. I am planning on returning it but if I can find where I can
get quiet hit-sink fan for it, I might retain it instead of wasting money
and time sending it back-n-forth. This is my second purchase from this group
but I don't think there will be a third one!

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Thanks,

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`Content-Transfer-Encoding' SendMail

2005-07-19 Thread Gerard Seibert
I have SendMail configured with the Smart_Host directive:

define(~SMART_HOST'. `my.isp.com') since they are blocking out bound
port 25. This works well.

The problem I am experiencing is that all mail sent this way has the
following in the email header:

Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I do not want to use that encoding specifically at all times. Even when
set within my mail program for something else, such as 8-bit, it is
still converted to the above format.

What can I do to prevent this from happening?

-- 
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Re: help

2005-07-19 Thread Jonathan Glaschke
Hello Alvian,

On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 05:14:38PM +0700, Rommi Alvian (MTHK/EDP) wrote:
  I am deeply interested with freeBSD. currently, i am a windows expert then
 i am trying to move into freeBSD. The problem is no one can teach me. i have
 read xxxguide but it can't help me. does freeBSD support GUI interface? 
 
 please help step by step..
 
 thanks
 
 alvian
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Yes, FreeBSD supports a lot of GUI Interfaces like GNOME, KDE, XFCE, and much
more..

Look here:
http://images.google.com/images?q=freebsd%20screenshothl=enlr=safe=offsa=Ntab=wi

and you can take a look at gnome.org and kde.org, too.

-Jonathan

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Re: `Content-Transfer-Encoding' SendMail

2005-07-19 Thread Chuck Swiger

Gerard Seibert wrote:
[ ...relaying email via your ISP... ]

Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I do not want to use that encoding specifically at all times. Even when
set within my mail program for something else, such as 8-bit, it is
still converted to the above format.

What can I do to prevent this from happening?


Nothing, really.  Any MTA along the delivery path is allowed to change the 
encoding to quoted-printable, and many MTA's will do so even if the other side 
advertizes the 8BITMIME ESMTP extension.


You can avoid seeing that header if you send mail that does not contain 
non-printable characters, or if the receiving MTA converts the mail back to an 
8-bit format.


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RE: `Content-Transfer-Encoding' SendMail

2005-07-19 Thread Norbert Koch
 I have SendMail configured with the Smart_Host directive:
 
 define(~SMART_HOST'. `my.isp.com') since they are blocking out bound
 port 25. This works well.
 
 The problem I am experiencing is that all mail sent this way has the
 following in the email header:
 
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 I do not want to use that encoding specifically at all times. Even when
 set within my mail program for something else, such as 8-bit, it is
 still converted to the above format.
 
 What can I do to prevent this from happening?

From my naive understanding of the smtp protocol I think
that your sendmail and your provider's sendmail|qmail|postfix
ask each other about supported encodings.
When I telnet to my mail provider's port 25 and manually
submit an EHLO I see a list of 250 responses. One shows
me '250 8bitmime'. So I'd suggest you test this with
your provider.

Norbert
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Re: Delete files in directory...

2005-07-19 Thread Jonathan Glaschke
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 12:50:01PM +0300, Casper wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  Sorry, simple, stupid q. How to make that what come in directory 
 /usr/files/ for example are erased? Or only put in cron after while do 
 rm /usr/files/*?
 
 tnx,
 Casper
 
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Yes, using cront to do that is possible and i think there is no reason against
cron.

you need rm -rf /usr/files/* if there are directories too in /usr/files..

Jonathan

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Re: DoS prevention .Sysctl parameters to prevent this?

2005-07-19 Thread Lowell Gilbert
vladone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Recently i have in gateway freebsd that go down due to an DoS attack.
 I dont know exactly what is (i dont have experience), but is useful if 
 someone, with more
 wiyh more experience, can give some parameters for sysctl to prevent
 Dos an flood problem.
 Or perhaps with ipfw rules.
 Any help will be apreciated!

The question is too general.  Every resource that is consumed by
incoming traffic is potentially subject to a denial-of-service
attack.  Furthermore, most denial-of-service attacks are actually
using up your incoming bandwidth, so there isn't much you can do on
your machine after those packets have already traversed your incoming
link.  

See the manual for security(7), and see if that gives you a good start.

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Re: Delete files in directory...

2005-07-19 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2005-07-19 16:27, Jonathan Glaschke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 12:50:01PM +0300, Casper wrote:
  Sorry, simple, stupid q. How to make that what come in directory
  /usr/files/ for example are erased? Or only put in cron after while
  do rm /usr/files/*?

 Yes, using cront to do that is possible and i think there is no reason against
 cron.

 you need rm -rf /usr/files/* if there are directories too in /usr/files..

This doesn't remove .* subdirs.  A more complete alternative that
doesn't move /usr/files under the feet of programs that may have it
open as their current working directory is probably:

rm -fr /usr/files/* /usr/files/.[^.]*

Be very careful with the -r option of rm(1) though.  VERY careful.

Just my $0.02,
- Giorgos

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Re: help

2005-07-19 Thread Robert Slade
On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 10:14, Rommi Alvian (MTHK/EDP) wrote:
  I am deeply interested with freeBSD. currently, i am a windows expert then
 i am trying to move into freeBSD. The problem is no one can teach me. i have
 read xxxguide but it can't help me. does freeBSD support GUI interface? 
 
 please help step by step..
 
 thanks
 
 alvian

Alvian,

The short answer to your question is yes. 

The longer answer is several GUIs - your choice. The handbook does give
the information you need to set one up. First you will need Xwindows,
which will give you the basic GUI structure. Once you have that working
then you can use something like KDE or Gnome to give you the desk top.
Again the details you need to set this up is in the handbook. 

There are some pitfalls though. Some Graphics cards have only limited
support. Look at the hardware supported list on the FreeBSD site.

Have fun.

Rob 

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Re: DoS prevention .Sysctl parameters to prevent this?

2005-07-19 Thread Hornet
On 19 Jul 2005 10:28:21 -0400, Lowell Gilbert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 vladone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Recently i have in gateway freebsd that go down due to an DoS attack.
  I dont know exactly what is (i dont have experience), but is useful if 
  someone, with more
  wiyh more experience, can give some parameters for sysctl to prevent
  Dos an flood problem.
  Or perhaps with ipfw rules.
  Any help will be apreciated!
 
 The question is too general.  Every resource that is consumed by
 incoming traffic is potentially subject to a denial-of-service
 attack.  

 
 Furthermore, most denial-of-service attacks are actually
 using up your incoming bandwidth, so there isn't much you can do on
 your machine after those packets have already traversed your incoming
 link.

You hit the nail on the head.

Really the best this you can do, is have tight firewall, netflow
samples of your in/out data, and some cool scriptage to figure out if
something is happening (and I'm talking about more the just some
pretty graphs). Then call your ISP to block the hosts. Now if this is
a DDoS and it is from a well built network, pretty much you will have
to have the ISP null your host or network until it subsides.
 
 See the manual for security(7), and see if that gives you a good start.
 
 --
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 http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/
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Re: Demon license?

2005-07-19 Thread Fabian Keil
Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Greg Lehey said:
 
 I'm sure we would object if someone drew a 'devil' image and
 associated it with FreeBSD.
 
 Re-read this please.  DEVIL image?  What is that?  Devil in
 this context is a religious term.  So what Greg is really saying
 here is that we would object if someone drew a religious image
 and associated it with FreeBSD

You are quoting out of context.

Greg wasn't referring to Beastie as devil, the person before him was.
Greg was intentional misunderstanding that Beastie was meant with
devil. At least that's how I understood it.

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RE: Problem with Realtek 8139C and 8139D NIC in 5.4

2005-07-19 Thread g . w . roberts
Your original message was two months ago, so this is probably too late for you, 
but:

Some combinations of device and bus hardware do not like PCI IO modes
enabled, so try setting the sysctl variable
 hw.pci.enable_io_modes=0
in /boot/loader.conf or /boot/loader.conf.local and rebooting.

Or boot to the loader prompt and set it to zero.

This worked for 5.4-RELEASE on my cheap laptop.
otherwise the onboard RealTek8139 gave rl0: couldn't map ports/memory.

Gareth.
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 The Realtek 8139 cards are a pretty cheap chipset that many others
 have had problems with.  Try a different card from a different
 manufacturer.
 
 It is probably some BIOS setting in your motherboard. You might try
 setting
 the board to non-pnp OS to allow the board to assign resources.
 
 Ted
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Abrie Lintvelt
  Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 2:44 AM
  To: freebsd-questions
  Subject: Problem with Realtek 8139C and 8139D NIC in 5.4
 
 
  Hiya Guys
 
  I've recently started playing with FreeBSD.  I use it at
  home on a pc
  for our ADSL connection, just for that added security.
  Worked fine with 5.2, except that my WiFi connection was a
  little buggy,
  so I decided to upgrade to 5.4
 
  After installing 5.4, my  ed(4) card stopped working.  It's
  quite an old
  card, so I decided to upgrade it as well.
  Got myself a new RTL8139D card, and installed it only to keep getting
  the error that it couldn't map ports/memory.  The system has 2 other
  NICs in in as well,
  A RTL8139A, and a Gigabyte Super 108 NIC using the ath(4) driver.
  Uninstalled the other Realtek Card, same problem.  Uninstalled
  the WiFi,
  same problem,
  Uninstall ALL other NICs in the system and only leave in the 8139D,
  problem still persists.
 
  Over to plan B, get another NIC from another unused PC.  This
  time it's
  an 8139C.  Same problem still. I'm really out of options.
  Any way to resolve this issue?
 
  I'm kinda desperate to get my system up and running again.
 
  System Specs:
  AMD Duron 700
  Gigabyte GA-7IX Motherboard (quite old I know, but the PC just stood
  there doing nothing :)
  3dfx Voodoo Banshee AGP Display (see M/B note)
  RTL8139A NIC (dunno where I got this one)
  RTL8139D NIC
  Gigabyte GN-WPEAG Wifi NIC
  128MB Ram
  6GB HDD
 
  Thanx for all the help.
 
  Abrie Linvelt
  Web Developer
  About IT dot Web
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Re: Demon license?

2005-07-19 Thread Josh Ockert
 Go ahead.  Blocking it just shows that you are totally unwilling to
 consider any position different than your own.  I am at least
 willing to continue to discuss it.

No. I have no objection to your position. I have an objection to your
complete lack of disrespect. You are a troll. You go on and on,
misquoting, deliberately trying to confuse the issue, and just
generally adding nothing to the discussion.

 Much like the current US President George Bush blocks his ears when
 people point out to him that he committed to fire whoever leaked
 a covert CIA operative's identity - then when it was discovered that
 his right-hand-man did it, he goes back on his word.

Except that in that case people were pointing out facts. As you said
in your email, there has been no official vote. So you have no facts.
You are in effect contradicting yourself when you say that those in
favor of the new logo ARE in the extreme minority, but then say there
was never any tally of opinions.

 If you block the address of anyone who continues on in this manner
 you simply prove my point for me - that the proponents of this
 anti-Beastie crusade only care what they want, not what anyone else wants.

I never said I was anti-Beastie. I'm not. I have many pieces of
pro-Beastie propaganda (look the word up before you start flaming). I
do however think it would be beneficial to have an image that is more
abstract and more suitable to corporate customers. Corporate backing
helps penetration into the market and it sometimes can result in
funding. Refer please to Linux and IBM.

 This mascot argument has been brought up before and disproved
 before.  Beastie has been treated as the Project's logo since FreeBSD 1.1
 He has been referred to as a mascot - irregularly - but his image has
 been used as the defacto logo image for FreeBSD.

There is nothing to disprove. It's not a formal argument. It's a
statement. He will be the project's mascot. Period. There is nothing
more to discuss. I have never said he *wasn't* the logo. If you think
I said that, please reread my original post.

 Perhaps nobody that YOU might consider authoratative has ever made a
 blanket statement that Beastie's image is the official FreeBSD Project's
 Logo however that is nothing more than a semantic argument.  His
 image has been USED as the logo on just about every CDROM pressing
 that Walnut Creek ever sold, and in numerous other websites and
 on the FreeBSD Project's website.  And I am not talking about the full
 color images on the front of the CD jewel cases, I'm talking about the
 minature Beastie logo image on the back.  Face the fact, Beastie is the
 current logo.

I've never disagreed with you on this. Before. Now I will. There are
generally two types of logos. There is the Official Logo which is
often what you see on media packaging. This is usually a combination
of words and a graphic. Those responsible for the new logo contest
contend that the logo in this sense of the word is that found at
http://www.freebsd.org/gifs/freebsd_1.gif. I find that I have no
trouble agreeing with them. A logo is what's supposed to give you a
first impression of a product. A logo is about marketing. Advertising.
Viewed in this light, Beastie cannot be the logo because he does not
have any direct link to the FreeBSD project, he is only associated
with it. One does not see Beastie for the first time and automatically
conclude FreeBSD! It is this goal that one hopes will be
accomplished with the new logo.

 Now, you may argue that it is time for the FreeBSD Project to change
 it's logo - although I have yet to see a logical reason for this -
 and I think I and the userbase would have some respect for this
 argument if you could use a logical proof.  But your argument that
 he never was the logo to begin with is nothing more than an attempt
 to side-step the discussion of why do we need to change the logo now.

Logical proofs are intended to demonstrate truths. An action in the
future is not a truth. No intelligent person would claim that FreeBSD
should change its logo is a theorem to be proven by a system of
postulates and axioms. By virtue of the word should it is entirely a
statement of judgment. The reasoning behind this judgment is that
there are many cases in which FreeBSD might have been used that it was
not because some PHB didn't like Beastie. To be honest, considering
corporate culture and the threat of being sued and/or required to take
sensitivity classes, I cannot fault the PHB for not wanting Beastie
around. In fact, if you search the mail archives you'll find people
trying to get rid of the Beastie boot menu because it got them into
trouble at work.

Forgive my rambling. My point is:
Corporate-friendly politically-correct logo = higher market
penetration = more people using and hopefully contributing to FreeBSD
= FreeBSD gets better
whereas
Current logo/mascot/whatevertheyouwannacallitidontreallygivea
= Some change-resistant people are happy.

 In short, you 

Still have questions on portupgrade database problems

2005-07-19 Thread paul beard

I am still seeing this error if I run portupgrade -a:

---  Session started at: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:30:17 -0700
[Rebuilding the pkgdb format:bdb1_btree in /var/db/pkg ... - 542  
packages found (-0  
+542) .. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 done]
---  Session ended at: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:34:00 -0700 (consumed  
00:03:42)
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:322:in `deorigin': cannot  
convert nil into String (PkgDB::DBError)
from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:915:in  
`tsort_build'

from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:914:in `each'
from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:914:in  
`tsort_build'

from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:906:in `each'
from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:906:in  
`tsort_build'
from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:928:in  
`sort_build'
from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:932:in  
`sort_build!'

from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:674:in `main'
from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:207:in `initialize'
from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:207:in `new'
from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:207:in `main'
from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:1869

I have heeded the advice in UPDATING:

adjust the PORTS_DBDRIVER variable (in your environment or in
  pkgtools.conf) to either bdb1_hash or dbm_hash.


but it doesn't seem to take. I have bdb1_hash in pkgtools.conf. I  
have even tried -q/--noconfig to only take environment variables.


[/var/db/pkg]# export PORTS_DBDRIVER=bdb1_hash; pkgdb -qF
---  Checking the package registry database
[Rebuilding the pkgdb format:bdb1_btree in /var/db/pkg ... - 542  
packages found (-0 +542) ..


what am I missing?

FWIW, I can use an incantation of portmanager to find the outdated  
ports and use portupgrade on the one by one.

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ipfilter4 on freebsd5

2005-07-19 Thread dave
Hello,
Does anyone have a procedure for getting ipfilter 4 going on a freebsd5
system? I've got the 4.1.8 tarball, but running the commands suggested
produces errors. I would like ipf4 to be a loaded kernel module, does it
still need ipv6, and to do block by default, is this possible?
Thanks a lot.
Dave.

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Re: Some sort of filter based filesystem

2005-07-19 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Svein Halvor Halvorsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 What would be nice, is some kind of nullfs-like read only filesystem that 
 would send all files through a configurable filter when opened. That way I 
 could put all my music in FLAC format on hdd, and then, when I wanted to 
 transfer some tracks to my portable player, I could grab the files from 
 the ogg-directory. Or when I wanted to burn to CD-A, I could grab 'em from 
 the wav-dir. 
 
 Is something like this available somewhere? 

It's a clever idea, but not really very useful; usually a virtual
filesystem approach is good when you can generate the data as needed.
For something like this, you would need to pregenerate the various
forms anyway, so you wouldn't save disk space.

 Or how about some other solution, not file system based?

Scripting it would make sense; periodically scan the source directory
for new files and build the alternate formats.

I have a script that picks a random set of MP3 files out of a
directory and builds a regular audio CD with those songs, normalizing
the volume along the way.  [I use this to burn CD-RWs to listen to in
the gym.]  It might be a useful example: look in 
http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/systuff/

Be well.
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Re: cannot install ntop under freeBSD 5.5

2005-07-19 Thread Lowell Gilbert
PK [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 If I try to install ntop from ports, I get following errors:
 
 rrdPlugin.c: In function `graphCounter':
 rrdPlugin.c:583: error: too few arguments to function `rrd_graph'
 rrdPlugin.c: In function `netflowSummary':
 rrdPlugin.c:728: error: too few arguments to function `rrd_graph'
 rrdPlugin.c: In function `graphSummary':
 rrdPlugin.c:926: error: too few arguments to function `rrd_graph'
 gmake[3]: *** [rrdPlugin.lo] Error 1
 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/net/ntop/work/ntop/plugins'
 gmake[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/net/ntop/work/ntop/plugins'
 gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/net/ntop/work/ntop'
 gmake: *** [all] Error 2
 *** Error code 2
 
 Stop in /usr/ports/net/ntop.
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /usr/ports/net/ntop.
 
 knows someone, howto solve this problem ?
 I have the newest ports tree update and rrdtool is already updatet.

There is no FreeBSD 5.5 yet, so I'm not sure what you have.
Did you clean your ntop port directory before building?

rrd_graph is supposed to take 5 parameters (I updated my ports tree
this morning).  Make sure it does so in that file and in rrd.h.
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Re: Demon license?

2005-07-19 Thread Bart Silverstrim


On Jul 19, 2005, at 11:36 AM, Josh Ockert wrote:


Go ahead.  Blocking it just shows that you are totally unwilling to
consider any position different than your own.  I am at least
willing to continue to discuss it.


No. I have no objection to your position. I have an objection to your
complete lack of disrespect.


I know I'D be angry at people who show an utter lack of disrepect, you 
punk!  (ha ha..touche'!)



You are a troll. You go on and on,
misquoting, deliberately trying to confuse the issue, and just
generally adding nothing to the discussion.


That's kind of odd since I remember Ted giving help on the list a 
number of times.  Personally the term Troll is becoming rather watered 
down, which is a shame...it used to actually mean someone who was out 
to do nothing but cause trouble.  This is no longer how the word is 
used now apparently.  It is a generic term used towards anyone with 
whom one has a disagreement with online.


One thing I do not understand is why people say things like you're 
deliberately misinterpreting..you're confusing the 
issue..etcand not stop, take a breath, and actually spell out 
the issue(s) *as you understand them* and ask for clarifications.  Get 
some common ground on which to communicate.  If one is talking about 
apples and the other bitching about oranges, at least get that 
straightened out.  Otherwise, you're just wasting your time.


Spell out the issue.  Clarify for understanding.  Argue and *stay on 
topic* until resolved point by point.


Otherwise...quit wasting your time.


Much like the current US President George Bush blocks his ears when
people point out to him that he committed to fire whoever leaked
a covert CIA operative's identity - then when it was discovered that
his right-hand-man did it, he goes back on his word.


Except that in that case people were pointing out facts. As you said
in your email, there has been no official vote. So you have no facts.


Technically, votes != facts.


You are in effect contradicting yourself when you say that those in
favor of the new logo ARE in the extreme minority, but then say there
was never any tally of opinions.


Overall, the argument is foolish.  I really see why some people keep 
their OS projects to themselves for control, if for nothing else than 
to keep large groups of people from bitching about something that may 
or may not be within the scope of the project's goals to begin with.


Beastie has been associated with FreeBSD for how long now?  Since 1.0?  
Ronald McDonald...logo, or mascot?  Does it really matter?  They're 
considered one in the same by the public.


There are a number of more-religious-than-not people who had advocated 
getting rid of the logoscot of Beastie because he invokes the image of 
the DEVIL.  There are many ignoramuses out there who think themselves 
experts in using computers because they get an MSCE cert.  There was 
someone in my own computer science classes who managed to pass with her 
four year degree without even knowing what in hell an operating system 
was in relation to an application. These people are out there making up 
the field of IT Professionals.  Who exactly is qualified to decide 
whether or not Beastie should be the logoscot of the Project?  The 
users who couldn't tell a source code file from a binary?  The users 
who can configure a DHCP server without glancing at the console?   I 
would think the Project people would...since they're the ones doing the 
project.  What they say, goes.


If you don't like it, fork the project with your own 
logo/logoscot/motto/t-shirt.  What you say at the point, goes.



If you block the address of anyone who continues on in this manner
you simply prove my point for me - that the proponents of this
anti-Beastie crusade only care what they want, not what anyone else 
wants.


I never said I was anti-Beastie. I'm not. I have many pieces of
pro-Beastie propaganda (look the word up before you start flaming). I
do however think it would be beneficial to have an image that is more
abstract and more suitable to corporate customers. Corporate backing
helps penetration into the market and it sometimes can result in
funding. Refer please to Linux and IBM.


Yeah, because a fat penguin is a wonderful image to portray.  On the 
other hand, IBM tended to partner with actual corporations with an 
actual logo...for themselves.  Linux gets benefits from the ensuing 
halo effect, but there are particular businesses that get the direct 
benefits.  I don't see Linspire doing cartwheels because of IBM.


The thing is, FreeBSD as a project may think it's NICE to get 
hardware/cash/goodies from businesses, but doesn't set out courting to 
get them (note...not on FBSD Project team, these are my observations 
and opinions).  You wouldn't necessarily WANT it.  When you start 
hopping into bed with particular businesses, you start making 
concessions to them.  Then things just start getting messy.


If you're an impartial 

Re: Delete files in directory...

2005-07-19 Thread Mathieu CHATEAU
Hello Casper,


just to say that if you call the command directly from cron,
you must call /bin/rm and not just rm

cheers,

Tuesday, July 19, 2005, 11:50:01 AM, you wrote:


C   Hi,

C   Sorry, simple, stupid q. How to make that what come in directory 
C /usr/files/ for example are erased? Or only put in cron after while do
C rm /usr/files/*?

C tnx,
C Casper

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Re: cannot install ntop under freeBSD 5.5

2005-07-19 Thread PK

sorry I mean freeBSD 5.4 

I have the newest ports tree update and I've cleaned the ntop port directory 
before building.

It still doesn't work and I get the same errors.

kind regards
piotr




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From: Lowell Gilbert [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Date: 19 Jul 2005 12:41:19 -0400
Subject: Re: cannot install ntop under freeBSD 5.5

PK [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:brbr If I try to install ntop from ports, 
I get following errors:br br rrdPlugin.c: In function 
`graphCounter':br rrdPlugin.c:583: error: too few arguments to function 
`rrd_graph'br rrdPlugin.c: In function `netflowSummary':br 
rrdPlugin.c:728: error: too few arguments to function `rrd_graph'br 
rrdPlugin.c: In function `graphSummary':br rrdPlugin.c:926: error: too few 
arguments to function `rrd_graph'br gmake[3]: *** [rrdPlugin.lo] Error 
1br gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/net/ntop/work/ntop/plugins'br 
gmake[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1br gmake[2]: Leaving directory 
`/usr/ports/net/ntop/work/ntop/plugins'br gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] 
Error 1br gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/net/ntop/work/ntop'br 
gmake: *** [all] Error 2br *** Error code 2br br Stop in 
/usr/ports/net/ntop.br *** Error code 1br br Stop in 
/usr/ports/net/ntop.br br knows someone, howto 
solve this problem ?br I have the newest ports tree update and rrdtool is 
already updatet.brbrThere is no FreeBSD 5.5 yet, so I'm not sure what you 
have.brDid you clean your ntop port directory before 
building?brbrrrd_graph is supposed to take 5 parameters (I updated my ports 
treebrthis morning).  Make sure it does so in that file and in rrd.h.br

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Upgrade python from ports

2005-07-19 Thread David Pratt
I am relatively new to ports.  When I type pkg_info, this is what I 
have for python:


py23-MySQLdb-1.2.0_1 Access a MySQL database through Python
py23-mx-base-2.0.5  The eGenix mx-Extension Series for Python
py23-reportlab-1.19 Library to create PDF documents using the Python 
language

py23-xml-0.8.4  PyXML: Python XML library enhancements
py24-statgrab-0.3   A set of Python bindings for libstatgrab
python-2.3.4_4  An interpreted object-oriented programming language
python-2.4_1An interpreted object-oriented programming language

I want to upgrade my python from 2.3.4 to 2.3.5. To I deinstall all 
py23 ports and python-2.3.4_4 and reinstall or do I run an portupgrade 
somewhere that will take care of this or do I just install python-2.3.5


In my /usr/local/lib:

I have:
python2.3
python2.4

What is right approach to updating only my python 2.3 so that it will 
be right for all py23.  I don't want to have two separate versions of 
2.3 only update version to 2.3.5


Many thanks
David


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Re: /boot on a separate partition

2005-07-19 Thread Garance A Drosihn

At 9:30 PM +0100 7/18/05, Ross Kendall Axe wrote:


... I want to place the /boot directory in a small 25MB partition
at the start of the drive.  Setting up the partition with sysinstall
is easy enough, but does anyone have any suggestions of how to
diddle the bootloader to accept this configuration?


I doubt you can on FreeBSD.  The problem is that the OS would have
to mount both / and /boot before it could do anything, and FreeBSD
doesn't do that.  It assumes the partition that you are loading
from is '/', and uses that to find (for instance) /etc/fstab so
it can find out what the other partitions are.

I know that linux supports this, as well as some other clever
trickery with partitions at system-startup, but FreeBSD doesn't.


I don't particularly want to go for the standard 'small / partition
and separate partitions for /usr, /var, /home...' since I only have
a 1GB drive to play with and judging the partition sizes down the
nearest KB would be... tricky.


Create a small-ish / partition, a swap partition, and huge /usr
partition.  FreeBSD creates a symlink from /home to /usr/home, so
your home directories are in /usr anyway.

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eclipse is crashing java

2005-07-19 Thread Jorge Mario G. Mazo
Hi there
I just installed the eclipse IDE via ports
and when I try to open it I get an error (attached)
and java coredumps

any ideas why?

PS: I'm using the native java

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ java -version
java version 1.4.2-p7
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition
(build 1.4.2-p7-root_27_mar_2005_14_22)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build
1.4.2-p7-root_27_mar_2005_14_22, mixed mode)
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jdk-1.5.0 + mozilla

2005-07-19 Thread Zumba
After updating java vm from 1.4.2 to 1.5.0 my browser (firefox) stoped
works with java. I readed somewhere that this patch (jdk-1.5.0 patchset
1) not offers a plugin for it.

Is it true?
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RE: /boot on a separate partition

2005-07-19 Thread Bob Johnson
Garance A Drosihn wrote:
 At 9:30 PM +0100 7/18/05, Ross Kendall Axe wrote:
 
 ... I want to place the /boot directory in a small 25MB partition
 at the start of the drive.  Setting up the partition with sysinstall
 is easy enough, but does anyone have any suggestions of how to
 diddle the bootloader to accept this configuration?
 
 I doubt you can on FreeBSD.  The problem is that the OS would have
 to mount both / and /boot before it could do anything, and FreeBSD
 doesn't do that.  It assumes the partition that you are loading
 from is '/', and uses that to find (for instance) /etc/fstab so
 it can find out what the other partitions are.
 
 I know that linux supports this, as well as some other clever
 trickery with partitions at system-startup, but FreeBSD doesn't.
 
 I don't particularly want to go for the standard 'small / partition
 and separate partitions for /usr, /var, /home...' since I only have
 a 1GB drive to play with and judging the partition sizes down the
 nearest KB would be... tricky.
 
 Create a small-ish / partition, a swap partition, and huge /usr
 partition.  

If you want to play with FreeBSD, that's the way to go.  You can probably get 
away with a 40 MB / partition, 55 MB is almost certainly large enough.  The 
two things in / that grow in normal use are /tmp and /var/log.  Make /tmp 
either a symlink to something on /usr, or mount it as a memory disk (see 
mdconfig(8)).  The default logging doesn't accumulate terribly fast anyway, 
so /var/log isn't very important.  If you handle mail or do 
printing, /var/spool and /var/mail might grow, but usually not enough to be a 
major issue.  The rest of /var probably won't grow enough to matter.

On a 1 GB drive you aren't going to have room to do much learning no matter 
how little you waste in /.  Maybe I should just ship you a bigger hard drive.  
I'm pretty sure I have a 3 or 6 GB drive around that I have no use for.  Are 
you willing to pay shipping?  

 
 FreeBSD creates a symlink from /home to /usr/home, so
 your home directories are in /usr anyway.
 

That's true if you don't create an explicit /home partition.  If you 
WANT /home to be a separate partition (makes updating easier/safer), then 
create it, but in this case it probably isn't desirable.


- Bob
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Re: Demon license?

2005-07-19 Thread Josh Ockert
On 7/19/05, Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Jul 19, 2005, at 11:36 AM, Josh Ockert wrote:
 
  Go ahead.  Blocking it just shows that you are totally unwilling to
  consider any position different than your own.  I am at least
  willing to continue to discuss it.
 
  No. I have no objection to your position. I have an objection to your
  complete lack of disrespect.
 
 I know I'D be angry at people who show an utter lack of disrepect, you
 punk!  (ha ha..touche'!)

Oops.

  You are a troll. You go on and on,
  misquoting, deliberately trying to confuse the issue, and just
  generally adding nothing to the discussion.
 
 That's kind of odd since I remember Ted giving help on the list a
 number of times.  Personally the term Troll is becoming rather watered
 down, which is a shame...it used to actually mean someone who was out
 to do nothing but cause trouble.  This is no longer how the word is
 used now apparently.  It is a generic term used towards anyone with
 whom one has a disagreement with online.

No. I disagree with your apparent position. But I think you were
respectful. I wouldn't call you a troll.

  Much like the current US President George Bush blocks his ears when
  people point out to him that he committed to fire whoever leaked
  a covert CIA operative's identity - then when it was discovered that
  his right-hand-man did it, he goes back on his word.
 
  Except that in that case people were pointing out facts. As you said
  in your email, there has been no official vote. So you have no facts.
 
 Technically, votes != facts.

When talking about the opinions of the majority of users, votes are facts.

Seeing as how Ted has never helped me, my impressions of him come
entirely from within the context of this thread. If you'll refer to
his original posting it was very inflammatory. Unless I'm mistaken,
intentionally trying to get a rise out of people is trolling. I kinda
thought this came out of a fishing metaphor.

Ted is the one who made the assertion, that those who don't have a
problem with the new logo are in the minority. That is his assertion.
And the burden of proof *is* on him to prove it.

My guess is that it may seem that way because the majority of people
who are indifferent or even happy about the new logo steer clear of
these heated threads on the subject.

With that, I'm done. Have fun. Ciao.

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WMU Student: French Linguistics, Computer Science
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Re: md0: preloaded image - system hang

2005-07-19 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Travis McChesney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I am trying to install 5.4-Release on a fairly old (still meets
 requirements) Compaq Presario.
 Using Disc 1, the system seems to boot up fine until it reaches the line:
 
 md0: Preloaded image /boot/msfroot x bytes at xx.
 
 The system then hangs with the floppy drive light on (making no noise).
 
 Not sure if there is anything I can change about my system to get it
 to boot and install, but I thought I'd see if anyone has come across
 this.

Did you try another floppy?  
Bad media is a common cause of symptoms like this.
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Re: help

2005-07-19 Thread Bryan Maynard
On Tuesday 19 July 2005 10:14 am, Rommi Alvian (MTHK/EDP) wrote:
  I am deeply interested with freeBSD. currently, i am a windows expert
 then i am trying to move into freeBSD. The problem is no one can teach
 me. i have read xxxguide but it can't help me. does freeBSD support
 GUI interface?

How far have you gotten with your FreeBSD install? What version are you 
trying to install? What books/guides have you read?

 please help step by step..

The more information we have, the better we can help you :-)

 thanks

Thank you for trying FreeBSD!

 alvian

Bryan

P.S. I had a lot of trouble in the beginning too. I got a lot of good 
help from this mailing list. Now I have two fully-functioning installs 
- a desktop (Dell Dimesion 2400) and a laptop (Dell Latitude C600). It 
can be done and is well worth the effort :-)
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Re: Demon license?

2005-07-19 Thread Bart Silverstrim


On Jul 19, 2005, at 2:49 PM, Josh Ockert wrote:


On 7/19/05, Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Jul 19, 2005, at 11:36 AM, Josh Ockert wrote:


Go ahead.  Blocking it just shows that you are totally unwilling to
consider any position different than your own.  I am at least
willing to continue to discuss it.


No. I have no objection to your position. I have an objection to your
complete lack of disrespect.


I know I'D be angry at people who show an utter lack of disrepect, you
punk!  (ha ha..touche'!)


Oops.


I was just joshin' you there.  It was an honest typo that induces some 
giggles. :-)



You are a troll. You go on and on,
misquoting, deliberately trying to confuse the issue, and just
generally adding nothing to the discussion.


That's kind of odd since I remember Ted giving help on the list a
number of times.  Personally the term Troll is becoming rather watered
down, which is a shame...it used to actually mean someone who was out
to do nothing but cause trouble.  This is no longer how the word is
used now apparently.  It is a generic term used towards anyone with
whom one has a disagreement with online.


No. I disagree with your apparent position. But I think you were
respectful. I wouldn't call you a troll.


...that's kind of ambiguous.  My apparent position is that Ted's not a 
troll, or that the term troll has become watered down?


If the latter, I'm basing it on general observations across a number of 
lists and Usenet forums...
If the former...well...unless we define what specifically a troll is, 
it couldn't really be solved.  From my understanding of the definition 
in my time on this here In-tar-net, methinks Ted does not fit the bill. 
 Not that I really know the guy...just based on posts I've read of his 
in the past.



Much like the current US President George Bush blocks his ears when
people point out to him that he committed to fire whoever leaked
a covert CIA operative's identity - then when it was discovered that
his right-hand-man did it, he goes back on his word.


Except that in that case people were pointing out facts. As you said
in your email, there has been no official vote. So you have no facts.


Technically, votes != facts.


When talking about the opinions of the majority of users, votes are 
facts.


You can make a statement that can be a fact regarding the position of 
the voters (ie, the majority according to this poll believe Elvis was 
an alien, and if the majority did indeed believe this according to the 
poll then it is a fact about the outcome of the poll) yet it does not 
make the actual position a fact (if the majority of people believe the 
sky is made of vanilla pudding, it does not make the sky actually made 
of vanilla pudding; the majority of people believe in some form of 
higher power deity, but the fact that everyone and their neighbor 
believe this doesn't make it true...hence the term faith).



Seeing as how Ted has never helped me, my impressions of him come
entirely from within the context of this thread.


Well, you might want to do a quick google on him to see what other 
posts have turned up from him in the past.  I won't attest to his 
character, but I do know that his name is constantly flowing into my 
freebsd-questions folder.


Maybe it'll give you a little more understanding of his position.  Or 
you'll want to spit on him when you're done.  I don't honestly know.



If you'll refer to
his original posting it was very inflammatory. Unless I'm mistaken,
intentionally trying to get a rise out of people is trolling. I kinda
thought this came out of a fishing metaphor.


Kinda.  It depends on motive.

I can send a message to the list that is very inflammatory making all 
sorts of statements about FreeBSD users' mothers.  If that's *all* I 
do, and people on the list equate my name with a mental Oh $DEITY not 
again...*  or plonk list, then I'm a troll.


If I'm purely doing this just to piss people off, it's a troll.

If I had a bad day but at least 75% of the time my posts are on topic 
and/or helpful and/or generally at least non-harmful, I'd say it's not 
trolling.


You said it yourself that you don't really know anything about Ted's 
previous posts.  Cut some slack...this topic has been hashed so many 
times over that if it were food it would now be suitable for serving at 
a home for the elderly.  Beastie and the logowars are a touchy topic.



Ted is the one who made the assertion, that those who don't have a
problem with the new logo are in the minority. That is his assertion.
And the burden of proof *is* on him to prove it.


True enough...but to tell the truth, I think most people either don't 
give a damn or would much rather NOT change the logo, either because A) 
Beastie has sentimental value, or B) the *reason* behind 
changing/hiding/downplaying him is asinine (religious hatred, big 
businesses won't suck up to BSD, clueless PHBs and users don't get 
it).



My guess is that it may seem that way because 

Re: Freebsd 4.11 - Hypterthreading

2005-07-19 Thread Thomas T. Veldhouse

eric wyzerski wrote:


Hi,

on freebsd 4.11 how I enable hyperthreading? sysctl -a | grep 
machdep.hlt_logical_cpus returns nothing.

Someone have an idea? I have the options SMP in the kernel
Thank you
(Please CC me if you reply im not in the list)


Do you have it enabled in your BIOS as well.  That is also required.

Tom Veldhouse
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Re: jdk-1.5.0 + mozilla

2005-07-19 Thread Jorge Mario G. Mazo

 --- Zumba [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:

 After updating java vm from 1.4.2 to 1.5.0 my
 browser (firefox) stoped
 works with java. I readed somewhere that this patch
 (jdk-1.5.0 patchset
 1) not offers a plugin for it.
 
 Is it true?
 YUP


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RE: amavisd-port

2005-07-19 Thread Matt Juszczak


Still not working :-(  installing to //etc/rc.d still.


---snip---
This port has installed the following startup scripts which may cause 
these network services to be started at boot time.


//etc/rc.d/amavisd
//etc/rc.d/amavis-milter
---snip---
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Sorry... newbie

2005-07-19 Thread Armando Richard

Hope find at least 1 patient person to answer this...

I'm used to operate well systems in Linux and Rwindows and trying from 
2 days FreeBSD..


I've very very very novice questions and couldn't find any help in 
literature i've been read (from more than a week). Also this is the 
forum looking more like...


there is anybody who can give some directions??

- for now my main doubt is in java virtual machine:

-- sources links that points to nowhere.
-- ports descriptions saying only about what i will get after.
-- messages like that in my terminal:

# cd '/usr/ports/java/jdk13'
# ls
Makefilefiles   pkg-message scripts
distinfopkg-descr   pkg-plist
# make
printf: missing format character
===  jdk-1.3.1p9_4 is*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/java/jdk13.
# pkg_add jdk13
pkg_add: can't stat package file 'jdk13'
# pkg_add jdk-1.3
pkg_add: can't stat package file 'jdk-1.3'
# pkg_add jdk
pkg_add: can't stat package file 'jdk'
#

or

# pkg_add -r jdk
Error: FTP Unable to get 
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-5.4-release/Latest/jdk.tbz: 
File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access)
pkg_add: unable to fetch 
'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-5.4-release/Latest/jdk.tbz' 
by URL

# pkg_add -r jdk13
Error: FTP Unable to get 
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-5.4-release/Latest/jdk13.tbz: 
File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access)
pkg_add: unable to fetch 
'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-5.4-release/Latest/jdk13.tbz' 
by URL

#


	-- nothing about development kits and thousands of tools, just a simple 
plugin in my browser (mozilla, can be other if it isn't good) wich works.




Sorry if i bore you, just loosed.. my last chance is here...



tx




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Re: gettext won't install

2005-07-19 Thread Paweł Madej
Lowell Gilbert wrote:

Paweł Madej [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  

Lowell Gilbert wrote:



Okay, then just build the port, but don't try to install it.
See if the missing library is present.
[find /usr/ports/deve/gettext -name libasprintf.so.0 -print]
 

  

make on that port goes ok. so i got gettext compiled now, but find
command which you wrote returns NULL result.



Are all of the dependencies up to date?



  

i tried to recompile all dependencies for gettext and it also and i got
SUCCEED :P i got installed gettext.

thanks for your time.

Greets
Paul
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Re: amavisd-port

2005-07-19 Thread mess-mate
Matt Juszczak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| 
| Still not working :-(  installing to //etc/rc.d still.
| 
| 
| ---snip---
| This port has installed the following startup scripts which may cause these 
network services 
| to be started at boot time.
| 
| //etc/rc.d/amavisd

that's right.

| //etc/rc.d/amavis-milter

Are you using sendmail ?? the amavis-milter is only used for
sendmail, not needed by postfix. (dual smtp)

Sorry didn't follow the entire story :)



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Re: Sorry... newbie

2005-07-19 Thread Andrew L. Gould
On Tuesday 19 July 2005 03:20 pm, Armando Richard wrote:
 Hope find at least 1 patient person to answer this...

 I'm used to operate well systems in Linux and Rwindows and trying
 from 2 days FreeBSD..

 I've very very very novice questions and couldn't find any help in
 literature i've been read (from more than a week). Also this is the
 forum looking more like...

 there is anybody who can give some directions??

 - for now my main doubt is in java virtual machine:

   -- sources links that points to nowhere.
   -- ports descriptions saying only about what i will get after.
   -- messages like that in my terminal:

 # cd '/usr/ports/java/jdk13'
 # ls
 Makefilefiles   pkg-message scripts
 distinfopkg-descr   pkg-plist
 # make
 printf: missing format character
 ===  jdk-1.3.1p9_4 is*** Error code 1

 Stop in /usr/ports/java/jdk13.
 # pkg_add jdk13
 pkg_add: can't stat package file 'jdk13'
 # pkg_add jdk-1.3
 pkg_add: can't stat package file 'jdk-1.3'
 # pkg_add jdk
 pkg_add: can't stat package file 'jdk'
 #

 or

 # pkg_add -r jdk
 Error: FTP Unable to get
 ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-5.4-release/Lat
est/jdk.tbz: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access)
 pkg_add: unable to fetch
 'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-5.4-release/La
test/jdk.tbz' by URL
 # pkg_add -r jdk13
 Error: FTP Unable to get
 ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-5.4-release/Lat
est/jdk13.tbz: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access)
 pkg_add: unable to fetch
 'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-5.4-release/La
test/jdk13.tbz' by URL
 #

   -- nothing about development kits and thousands of tools, just a
 simple plugin in my browser (mozilla, can be other if it isn't good)
 wich works.

 Sorry if i bore you, just loosed.. my last chance is here...

 tx

You're confusing the process of installing ports from binary packages 
vs. source code.  pkg_add is used to install binary packages.  Binary 
packages are not available for Java for FreeBSD 5*.  You'll have to 
build java from source code.  Since FreeBSD is not allowed to 
distribute the source code, you'll have to download the source code 
manually into /usr/ports/distfiles/.  Then go back to your ports 
directory and install the port:

 cd /usr/ports/java/jdk13/
 make install

If you haven't downloaded the source code, the installation process will 
stop and tell you where to get the appropriate files.

You can get more information regarding Java on FreeBSD from:
http://www.freebsd.org/java/

Best of luck,

Andrew Gould
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?

2005-07-19 Thread Kelly Owen Saltsman
what is the frequency, kenneth?

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Large filesystem woes

2005-07-19 Thread dpk
Has anyone here had any luck whatsoever getting FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE to use
4TB of space from a 4TB RAID array? It is apparent that there is a
1TB/slice limit, and sysinstall doesn't seem to be able to handle creating
more than 2 slices.

I read somewhere that people recommend using gpt to manage large
filesystems. Unfortunately, this tool is not to be found on the fixit
floppy or the mfsroot during installation. If the server is up, gpt
complains about Operation not permitted because the disk is in use.

I managed to get gpt on a floppy -- along with a hand written cp/mkdir
all-in-one binary because, when you use the Fixit option it does not
chroot you to the fixit floppy, meaning you'll need /libexec/ld-elf.so.1
and /lib/libc.so.5, because for some reason critical system utilities are
built dynamically now but I am straying from the topic -- and ran gpt
migrate as recommended in its man page. Now gpt no longer recognizes the
the disk at all. gpt show fails entirely. gpt -vvv show lists some
entries, but the sizes are all very wrong, as if they were truncated.

Anyone know the specific tricks involved in getting all 4TB used, even if
it has to be in 4 different slices, or am I stuck with using just 2TB?
We're gonna have to go with Linux on this particular server since we need
it up today but we'll be getting another one soon and I can try things
there.
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Re: Questions about no window found error

2005-07-19 Thread Garrett Cooper

Conrad Sabatier wrote:


On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 10:03:21AM +0800, Kun Niu wrote:
 


Dear freebsd users,

I've got such a strange question.
I can start my xwindow.
But each time I use mozilla bundled with my 5.3 release.
I found the error no window found error
   



This is normal, and is not really an error per se.  The Mozilla port is 
actually run from a script, which first checks for an already running 
instance before launching a new browser.


 


It also strange that I can start x, but I can't get startkde run.
I really installed kde on my computer.
Can anyone give any hints?
   



If you could post the error messages you're getting when you try to start 
KDE, perhaps someone could tell you what's wrong.


 


Maybe if you could post your xinitrc/x profile that would help too.
-Garrett
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No sound on gx280 with 5.4

2005-07-19 Thread Rich Winkel
I have a GX280 shipped 11/30/2004.  The 5.4 kernel doesn't probe any
sound device.  Has anyone gotten this working?

Thanks,
Rich

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Re: No sound on gx280 with 5.4

2005-07-19 Thread Greg Barniskis

Rich Winkel wrote:

I have a GX280 shipped 11/30/2004.  The 5.4 kernel doesn't probe any
sound device.  Has anyone gotten this working?


The GENERIC (default) kernel doesn't have sound compiled in, but it 
should be easy to get going with loadable kernel modules.


# kldload snd_driver

should probe all known sound devices, then

# cat /dev/sndstat

should tell you what specific module to name in loader.conf so that 
it is automatically available on subsequent reboots



http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/sound-setup.html

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Re: amavisd-port

2005-07-19 Thread Matt Juszczak

| //etc/rc.d/amavisd

that's right.



Why is it doing double slash and why is it installing to /etc/rc.d?  Why 
not /usr/local/etc/rc.d where other apps and ports reside?  I know it has 
to start first, but it could have named it something like 0amavisd.sh.  I 
dont really like ports putting things in the system's rc.d directory


How does one go about modifying this so that the port will install in 
/usr/local?  Just modify the makefile?



| //etc/rc.d/amavis-milter

Are you using sendmail ?? the amavis-milter is only used for
sendmail, not needed by postfix. (dual smtp)


The file is just installed.  I'm not using it in /etc/rc.conf.

-Matt
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Re: ?

2005-07-19 Thread Danny Pansters
On Tuesday 19 July 2005 23:47, Kelly Owen Saltsman wrote:
 what is the frequency, kenneth?

benzedrine
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Re[2]: `Content-Transfer-Encoding' SendMail

2005-07-19 Thread Gerard Seibert
On Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:16:00 AM Chuck Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Gerard Seibert wrote:
 [ ...relaying email via your ISP... ]
  Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  
  I do not want to use that encoding specifically at all times. Even when
  set within my mail program for something else, such as 8-bit, it is
  still converted to the above format.
  
  What can I do to prevent this from happening?
 
 Nothing, really.  Any MTA along the delivery path is allowed to change the 
 encoding to quoted-printable, and many MTA's will do so even if the other 
 side 
 advertizes the 8BITMIME ESMTP extension.
 
 You can avoid seeing that header if you send mail that does not contain 
 non-printable characters, or if the receiving MTA converts the mail back to 
 an 
 8-bit format.
 
 -- 
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Tuesday, July 19, 2005 6:46:32 PM

If I send a message through my ISP and do not use SendMail, the mail
arrives as I sent it. If I throw SendMail into the mix, it always
arrives as quoted-printable.

I checked with my ISP. They claim that the mail is being changed on my
end. They do not alter the Content-Transfer-Encoding method.

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Re: Some sort of filter based filesystem

2005-07-19 Thread Svein Halvor Halvorsen

* Svein Halvor Halvorsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   What would be nice, is some kind of nullfs-like read only filesystem 
   that would send all files through a configurable filter when opened. 
   That way I could put all my music in FLAC format on hdd, and then, 
   when I wanted to transfer some tracks to my portable player, I could 
   grab the files from the ogg-directory. Or when I wanted to burn to 
   CD-A, I could grab 'em from the wav-dir.

* Lowell Gilbert [2005-07-19 12:18 -0400]
  It's a clever idea, but not really very useful; usually a virtual
  filesystem approach is good when you can generate the data as needed.
  For something like this, you would need to pregenerate the various
  forms anyway, so you wouldn't save disk space.


Why would the various forms need to be pre-generated?

I can easily imagine some mechanism where my flac files are filtered 
through a flac decoder and into a vorbis encoder on-the-fly. 
The same goes for iconv conversion, image processing, etc.

In fact, this is the sole purpose of my suggestion.
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Re: No sound on gx280 with 5.4

2005-07-19 Thread Rich Winkel
According to Greg Barniskis:
[ Charset ISO-8859-1 unsupported, converting... ]
 Rich Winkel wrote:
  I have a GX280 shipped 11/30/2004.  The 5.4 kernel doesn't probe any
  sound device.  Has anyone gotten this working?
 
 The GENERIC (default) kernel doesn't have sound compiled in, but it 
 should be easy to get going with loadable kernel modules.
 
 # kldload snd_driver
 
 should probe all known sound devices, then
 
 # cat /dev/sndstat
 
 should tell you what specific module to name in loader.conf so that 
 it is automatically available on subsequent reboots
 
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/sound-setup.html

Thank you!!  I had device sound in my kernel config, but I guess
this must be the way to do things now...

Rich

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lost gdm screen

2005-07-19 Thread Trey Sizemore
Or to be more precise, after an upgrade of gdm, when I log in I get an
error message that the config file contains an error (or unrecognized
command) and that it will use the default.

I'm then presented with the default gdm login screen rather than the
'more stylish' version I had previously.

What changed that the previous gdm.conf file is no longer valid?  How do
I get the 'nice' gdm screen back?

Thanks.

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bridging

2005-07-19 Thread Sushubh

I am going to install FreeBSD on a machine we plan to make a server.

Now, we have 2 lines of internet coming to our place through 2 separate  
lan modems. I want the server to take these 2 lines and combine the speeds  
to form a single line which can be used by our lan to access the internet.


I have got 3 lan cards on the linux machine. 2 for the incoming  
connections from the 2 lan modems which have the gateways 192.168.1.1 and  
192.168.1.100.


How do I go ahead with making my server a gateway offering combined  
bandwidth to our lan?

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Re: Sorry... newbie

2005-07-19 Thread Danny Pansters
I'd like to add that though it takes (quite) long to build and install the jdk 
(and maybe if you're on a modem also downloading can take a while), it does 
work very well. I use it primarily with konqueror for applets and well it 
just works (with all the usual quirks as on linux -- say cut and paste...) 
and though not really rocketing it's fast enough. I'm pretty sure that server 
side it works a lot better (as it seems to do on every OS).

Dan

On Tuesday 19 July 2005 22:53, Andrew L. Gould wrote:
 On Tuesday 19 July 2005 03:20 pm, Armando Richard wrote:
  Hope find at least 1 patient person to answer this...
 
  I'm used to operate well systems in Linux and Rwindows and trying
  from 2 days FreeBSD..
 
  I've very very very novice questions and couldn't find any help in
  literature i've been read (from more than a week). Also this is the
  forum looking more like...
 
  there is anybody who can give some directions??
 
  - for now my main doubt is in java virtual machine:
 
  -- sources links that points to nowhere.
  -- ports descriptions saying only about what i will get after.
  -- messages like that in my terminal:
 
  # cd '/usr/ports/java/jdk13'
  # ls
  Makefilefiles   pkg-message scripts
  distinfopkg-descr   pkg-plist
  # make
  printf: missing format character
  ===  jdk-1.3.1p9_4 is*** Error code 1
 
  Stop in /usr/ports/java/jdk13.
  # pkg_add jdk13
  pkg_add: can't stat package file 'jdk13'
  # pkg_add jdk-1.3
  pkg_add: can't stat package file 'jdk-1.3'
  # pkg_add jdk
  pkg_add: can't stat package file 'jdk'
  #
 
  or
 
  # pkg_add -r jdk
  Error: FTP Unable to get
  ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-5.4-release/Lat
 est/jdk.tbz: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access)
  pkg_add: unable to fetch
  'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-5.4-release/La
 test/jdk.tbz' by URL
  # pkg_add -r jdk13
  Error: FTP Unable to get
  ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-5.4-release/Lat
 est/jdk13.tbz: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access)
  pkg_add: unable to fetch
  'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-5.4-release/La
 test/jdk13.tbz' by URL
  #
 
  -- nothing about development kits and thousands of tools, just a
  simple plugin in my browser (mozilla, can be other if it isn't good)
  wich works.
 
  Sorry if i bore you, just loosed.. my last chance is here...
 
  tx

 You're confusing the process of installing ports from binary packages
 vs. source code.  pkg_add is used to install binary packages.  Binary
 packages are not available for Java for FreeBSD 5*.  You'll have to
 build java from source code.  Since FreeBSD is not allowed to
 distribute the source code, you'll have to download the source code
 manually into /usr/ports/distfiles/.  Then go back to your ports
 directory and install the port:

  cd /usr/ports/java/jdk13/
  make install

 If you haven't downloaded the source code, the installation process will
 stop and tell you where to get the appropriate files.

 You can get more information regarding Java on FreeBSD from:
 http://www.freebsd.org/java/

 Best of luck,

 Andrew Gould
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Re: Auto Reboot after Panic?

2005-07-19 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Tuesday, 19 July 2005 at 13:25:39 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
 Hi, I have recently installed FreeBSD 5.3 on a Dell Poweredge 650 server,
 and it has panicked twice in the past 3 weeks. Unfortunately, the box is
 in a server room for which I don't have a key, and access can take hours.

 I would like the box to dump core and reboot on a panic. I think I have set
 the box up to do this, but on the last panic it didn't reboot. I followed the
 information at http://www.bsdatwork.com/2002/03/29/system_panics_part_1/,
 and I have compiled a kernel with makeoptions DEBUG=-g, options KDB,
 options KDB_UNATTENDED.

 /etc/rc.conf has these lines: dumpdev=/dev/ad6s1b,
 dumpdir=/usr/local/var/crash. The box has 768M of RAM, ad6s1b has
 at least that much space, and is configured as swap.

 Can anybody tell me what have forgotten to do to make the box reboot on
 a panic? Many thanks in advance,

Where does it hang?

Greg
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Re: Sorry... newbie

2005-07-19 Thread Danny Pansters
Certainly, but complain to our friendly solarian friends over at Sun about all 
this :) Hi Bill. I'm sure they don't mean bad towards us, but, yeah, this is 
how it works out right now.

Regards,

Dan 

On Wednesday 20 July 2005 02:10, you wrote:
 in time..

 1,1Mb + 47Mb + 40Mb ...

 build a linux binary to make a linux binary to make a FreeBSD binary to
 extract a less than 1Mb javapluginoji.so to put in my browser's plugin
 folder..

 :) so much licenses...

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Re: RAID Level 55

2005-07-19 Thread jason henson

Nikolas Britton wrote:

On 7/16/05, Chuck Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Nikolas Britton wrote:


I was reading on wikipedia about RAIDs trying to pass the time and I
was thinking why not have RAID 5+5 or 5+5+5 levels, sure you waste
2/3th's of your space but wouldn't this be a killer setup for a
directory server where fast reads are of the utmost importance?


Actually, no.  RAID-5 prioritizes cost and reliability at the expense of
performance.  RAID-5 does adequate for read-mostly volumes with big files, and
does worst with lots of writes to small files.



Ok then, a public FTP server... It doesn't matter, when your have a
405,000 RPM drive (27 drives * 15k rpm) you can do just about
anything, but it would excel for data reads and especially random data
reads.



RAID-5,0 or -1,0 would be a much better choice.



Would you add up the transfer rates for each drive to get the total
transfer rate of the array?, if true you could easily saturate a 10
gigabit ethernet connection with a 555 array of IDE or SATA drives.


Nope.  Most machines are limited by their PCI bus and chipset to less than
1Gb/s of backplace bandwidth, although the higher-end boxes with multiple PCI
busses or PCIe will do better.



Yes I realize that the PCI bus is limited to a maximum of 260MB/s
(32-bit @ 66MHz) but PCI-X @ 133MHz is 1060MB/s  Anyways...

I was just thinking out loud if there would be a useful purpose for
this type of RAID array, I was bored because I had to wait for
ethereal to build and then I had to wait till 3am, to do something,
before I could go to sleep for the night.
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If I am not mistaken the nforce products as well as sis and maybe uli 
have direct connect techonlogies for some peripheral to bypass the pci 
in there chipsets.  All have ide connections (I think) that directly 
hook up to the chipset like this to increase performance.


In the nforce products the ata controllers still appear as pci devices, 
but only to make it easy on the drivers (I am guessing here).  I could 
be wrong on some of these products, but I do think most new chipsets 
keep hard disks off the pci bus.


A stripped raid array will be faster than raid 5.  You only do raid 5 if 
you want to have reliability with many disks and waisting have the disks 
with mirroring.


Have you seen the IRam from gigabyte?  It is not out yet, but you should 
google for it.  Something like sustained 130-133Mb/s on SATA 150.

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ffserver, streaming audio problem

2005-07-19 Thread FreeBSD questions mailing list

Hello,
I recently installed ffmpeg (/usr/ports/multimedia/ffmpeg/) to try  
and start a streaming audio server.
the installation went smoothly though i don't seem to be able to  
connect to ffserver.

It crashes when someone tries to connect.
Has anyone been able to run it with the NoVideo option?

I have been running darkice and icecast for a long time without any  
problems.
I just wanted to try and stream in .aac format which darkice does not  
support (yet).


thanks in advance...
Arno

Here's some info about my system and ffmpeg/ffserver:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ uname -r
5.3-RELEASE-p18



[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ ffmpeg -version
ffmpeg version 0.4.9-pre1, build 4718, Copyright (c) 2000-2004  
Fabrice Bellard

  built on Jul 19 2005 23:11:58, gcc: 3.4.2 [FreeBSD] 20040728
ffmpeg  0.4.9-pre1
libavcodec  4718
libavformat 4616



[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ cat ffserver.conf.sample
Port 8090
BindAddress xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
MaxClients 1000
MaxBandwidth 1000
CustomLog -

Feed feed1.ffm
File /tmp/feed1.ffm
FileMaxSize 200K
Launch
ACL allow 127.0.0.1
/Feed

Stream test1.mpg
Feed feed1.ffm
Format mpeg
AudioBitRate 32
AudioChannels 1
AudioSampleRate 44100
AudioCodec mp2
NoVideo
/Stream

Stream test.mp3
Feed feed1.ffm
Format mp2
AudioCodec mp3
AudioBitRate 64
AudioChannels 1
AudioSampleRate 44100
NoVideo
/Stream

Stream stat.html
Format status
ACL allow localhost
ACL allow 192.168.0.0 192.168.255.255
/Stream

Redirect index.html
URL http://www.ffmpeg.org/
/Redirect



[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ ffserver -f ffserver.conf.sample
ffserver started.



[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ ffmpeg -ac 2 -acodec aac -ab 128 -ad /dev/dsp0.0  
http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:8090/test.mp3
ffmpeg version 0.4.9-pre1, build 4718, Copyright (c) 2000-2004  
Fabrice Bellard

  built on Jul 19 2005 23:11:58, gcc: 3.4.2 [FreeBSD] 20040728
Input #0, audio_device, from '':
  Duration: N/A, bitrate: N/A
  Stream #0.0: Audio: pcm_s16le, 44100 Hz, stereo, 1411 kb/s
Output #0, mp3, to 'http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:8090/test.mp3':
  Stream #0.0: Audio: aac, 44100 Hz, stereo, 128 kb/s
Stream mapping:
  Stream #0.0 - #0.0
Press [q] to stop encoding
size= 446kB time=26.1 bitrate= 140.3kbits/s
video:0kB audio:446kB global headers:0kB muxing overhead 0.00%



[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ dmesg -a | tail -7
Jul 20 03:25:10 amadeus kernel: pid 8533 (ffserver), uid 501: exited  
on signal 8
Connection attempt to TCP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:8090 from 10.0.1.1:49424  
flags:0x02
Jul 20 03:25:13 amadeus kernel: Connection attempt to TCP  
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:8090 from 10.0.1.1:49424 flags:0x02

Connection attempt to TCP 127.0.0.1:8090 from 127.0.0.1:58578 flags:0x02
Jul 20 03:25:35 amadeus kernel: Connection attempt to TCP  
127.0.0.1:8090 from 127.0.0.1:58578 flags:0x02

pid 9791 (ffserver), uid 0: exited on signal 8 (core dumped)
Jul 20 03:25:52 amadeus kernel: pid 9791 (ffserver), uid 0: exited on  
signal 8 (core dumped)




[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ gdb ffserver ffserver.core
GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD]
Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and  
you are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain  
conditions.

Type show copying to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type show warranty for  
details.
This GDB was configured as i386-marcel-freebsd...(no debugging  
symbols found)...

Core was generated by `ffserver'.
Program terminated with signal 8, Arithmetic exception.
Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/libavformat.so...(no debugging  
symbols found)...done.

Loaded symbols for /usr/local/lib/libavformat.so
Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/libavcodec.so...(no debugging  
symbols found)...done.

Loaded symbols for /usr/local/lib/libavcodec.so
Reading symbols from /lib/libm.so.3...(no debugging symbols  
found)...done.

Loaded symbols for /lib/libm.so.3
Reading symbols from /lib/libz.so.2...(no debugging symbols  
found)...done.

Loaded symbols for /lib/libz.so.2
Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/libogg.so.5...(no debugging  
symbols found)...done.

Loaded symbols for /usr/local/lib/libogg.so.5
Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/libvorbis.so.3...(no debugging  
symbols found)...done.

Loaded symbols for /usr/local/lib/libvorbis.so.3
Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/libvorbisenc.so.2...(no debugging  
symbols found)...done.

Loaded symbols for /usr/local/lib/libvorbisenc.so.2
Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/libfaac.so.0...(no debugging  
symbols found)...done.

Loaded symbols for /usr/local/lib/libfaac.so.0
Reading symbols from /lib/libc.so.5...(no debugging symbols  
found)...done.

Loaded symbols for /lib/libc.so.5
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.4...(no debugging symbols  
found)...done.

Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.4
Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/libpostproc.so.0...(no debugging  
symbols found)...done.

Loaded symbols for /usr/local/lib/libpostproc.so.0
Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.so.0...(no debugging  
symbols found)...done.


storing make options / interactive configuration

2005-07-19 Thread Rob Paxon
Hi guys,

I've decided to store my make options in Makefile.local files in the
various port directories. From what I gather this seems to be the
easiest method. At any rate, when I go to make a port (or upgrade via
portupgrade), the ports that have interactive options menus still
show such the menu. Worse yet, the options checked are the defaults.

I wonder the following:

1.) Does the fact it shows the default options mean it isn't
recognizing my options, or are the options read after the menu is
through (in which case I can just click cancel).

2.) Is there a way to have this menu not show up through either make
install or portupgrade?

3.) Where do you guys prefer to store your make options? I've read
using 'pkgtools.conf', but assume this doesn't effect 'make install',
only portupgrade et al.

4.) In what order of precedence are saved options used? Particularly
those saved in /var/db/ports, which only seem to be saved for a very
small amount of ports (it seems perhaps even only those with
interactive menus). The others would be make.conf, Makefile.local, and
pkgtools.conf.

Thanks in advance. I know I asked a lot, but I don't expect someone to
jump in and answer everything. Searching has only brought me to the
information I seek clarification on.
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cvsup server not working....

2005-07-19 Thread Mike Pittelkow


cvsup6.us.FreeBSD.org

reports not src-all cvs release.

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VPN solution

2005-07-19 Thread chris
Hello all,
Im looking around for a VPN solution that utilizes IPSEC and
ssl. What im really lookng for here on the list is suggestions. I need
to use IPSEC and ssl due to what is being ran at work (running linux).
I dont need anything fancy, just somthing that will connect using the
above security measures. Im currently running 4.x. Any help would be
appreciated.

Thanks

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1 byte more?

2005-07-19 Thread Xu Qiang
Hi, all: 

I just met a strange problem. 

In FreeBSD 5.3, I want to create a new txt file with vi, and type a single 
digit into it, and save it for future use.

My steps are: 
1 vi count.txt
2 type i (for insert mode)
3 type 0
4 Esc
5 :wq

Then by ls -l, I found the file's size is 2 bytes, intead of 1 byte as I 
expected. 

Then I did a similar thing in MS Windows, to create a txt file with only 1 
digit in it. The behavior is expected, the file is 1 byte long. And when I 
ftp'ed that file to FreeBSD, the size is still correct. 

Why does vi in FreeBSD add 1 invisible character to the txt file? 

Looking forward to any possible help, 

Regards,
Xu Qiang


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Re: 1 byte more?

2005-07-19 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Jul 20), Xu Qiang said:
 In FreeBSD 5.3, I want to create a new txt file with vi, and type a
 single digit into it, and save it for future use.
 
 My steps are: 
 1 vi count.txt
 2 type i (for insert mode)
 3 type 0
 4 Esc
 5 :wq
 
 Then by ls -l, I found the file's size is 2 bytes, intead of 1 byte
 as I expected.

vi probably put a newline character after the one you typed.  You can
use

  echo -n 0  count.txt 

or a text editor that doesn't force a newline as the last character in
a file (joe for example).

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RE: 1 byte more?

2005-07-19 Thread Xu Qiang
Dan Nelson wrote:
 vi probably put a newline character after the one you typed.  You can
 use
 
   echo -n 0  count.txt
 
 or a text editor that doesn't force a newline as the last character in
 a file (joe for example).

Yes, You hit the point again. 

I used xemacs to hex edit that file, to find a newline character (0x0a) is 
added to the txt file, even though I didn't touch the Enter key in my 
keyboard. Maybe vi is too aggressively helpful. :)

Your echo -n is a solution. And xemacs is also a better choice without this 
annoying problem. 

Thank you, 

Regards,
Xu Qiang


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Re: 1 byte more?

2005-07-19 Thread Mac Mason
On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 01:21:10PM +0800, Xu Qiang wrote:
 I used xemacs to hex edit that file, to find a newline character (0x0a) is
 added to the txt file, even though I didn't touch the Enter key in my
 keyboard. Maybe vi is too aggressively helpful. :)

As I recall, the convention is than UNIX text files should always end with a
newline character. I can certainly envision situations where you might not
want to have the extra \n, but it makes intuitive sense for it to be there:
having the first half of a line in one file and the second half in another
file feels very strange to me...

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problem with devfs

2005-07-19 Thread shmach
Hello everyone,

I'm a CS student, and this previous semester I took a unix class where our
teacher gave us some code for an assignment, with the goal being to compile and
install it.  The jist of it was the program created a device in /dev called
voice, which would speak whatever was written to it using festival. I
thought this was kinda spiffy, and tried to install it on my system at home,
freebsd 5.3.  The program tries to write to /dev, and because 5.3
uses devfs, /dev is read only, so it obviously fails. I thought that maybe using
mknod would allow me to create a device, but the man page for mknod states that
it can be used to recreate deleted device nodes under a devfs(5) mount point by
invoking it using dummy arguments, but that doesn't really help me here as the
device node never existed in the first place.  

So, I guess I want to know if there's a way to override devfs, or would
I have to write a kernel module in order to get thing to install in /dev.
I don't know how to write device drivers, but I'm willing to give anything a
try. :)

what follows is the code. if anyone's interested, the code is also available
for download from my
teacher's site: http://www.emporia.edu/math-cs/simpson/bsimpson.htm
The version I'm using is 1.0.

#define FIFO_BUFFER_SIZE 4096
#define FIFO_NAME /dev/voice
#define FESTIVAL /usr/local/bin/festival
#define LOCAL localhost
#define FESTIVAL_PORT 1314
#define PHRASE_HEAD (SayText \
#define PHRASE_TAIL \)
#define INSTALL_PHRASE (SayText \/dev/voice installed\)
#define PAUSE_INTERVAL 5
#include config.h
#include unistd.h
#include stdio.h
#include stdlib.h
#include string.h
#include fcntl.h
#include ctype.h
#include errno.h
#include sys/types.h
#include sys/stat.h
#include sys/socket.h
#include netdb.h
#include netinet/in.h
#include signal.h
void signal_handler(int the_sig);
void signal_handler(int the_sig)
{
if(the_sig==SIGTERM)
{
kill(getppid(),SIGTERM);
unlink(FIFO_NAME);
exit(0);
};
};
int  main()
{
static char buffer[FIFO_BUFFER_SIZE];
int buffer_count,public_fifo;
int sock,phrase_len;
struct sockaddr_in client,server; 
struct hostent *host;
char *phrase;
signal(SIGTERM,signal_handler);
daemon(0,0);
if(fork()==0)
{
printf(in the child now\n);
sleep(PAUSE_INTERVAL);
host=gethostbyname(LOCAL);
server.sin_family=AF_INET;
server.sin_port=htons(FESTIVAL_PORT);
memcpy(server.sin_addr.s_addr,host-h_addr,host-h_length);
sock=socket(AF_INET,SOCK_STREAM,0);
client.sin_family=AF_INET;
client.sin_port=htons(0);
client.sin_addr.s_addr=htonl(INADDR_ANY);

if(bind(sock,(struct sockaddr *) client,sizeof(client)) ==
-1){ 
printf(couldn't bind to port\n);
exit(2);
}



connect(sock,(struct sockaddr *)server,sizeof(server));
if(mkfifo(FIFO_NAME,  06660)0)
{
printf(bad things\n);
if(errno==17)
{
unlink(FIFO_NAME);
mknod(FIFO_NAME, S_IFIFO | 0666, 0);
};

printf(there's been a fucking error...\n);
};
public_fifo=open(FIFO_NAME,O_RDWR);
if(public_fifo0) {
printf(couldn't open fifo\n);
exit(1);
}
sleep(PAUSE_INTERVAL);
   
sendto(sock,INSTALL_PHRASE,strlen(INSTALL_PHRASE),0,(struct sockaddr
*)server,sizeof(server));
kill(getppid(),SIGTERM);
while(1)
{
memset(buffer,0x0,FIFO_BUFFER_SIZE);
buffer_count =
read(public_fifo,buffer,FIFO_BUFFER_SIZE);
if(buffer_count  0) 
{
phrase=new char[12+strlen(buffer)];
phrase_len=12+strlen(buffer);
memset(phrase,0x0,phrase_len);
strcat(phrase,PHRASE_HEAD);
strcat(phrase,buffer);
strcat(phrase,PHRASE_TAIL);
sendto(sock,phrase,phrase_len,0,(struct
sockaddr *)server,sizeof(server));
delete phrase;
kill(getppid(),SIGTERM);