Re: zoneedit.com

2013-02-04 Thread Ian Smith
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 452, Issue 11, Message: 9
On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 11:45:05 -0500 Nick K sur...@gmail.com wrote:
  I am posting here hoping that a Dan from ZoneEdit.com still monitors this
  mailing list.
  I am in a very bad situation and my mail forwarding has been down for over
  a week -- no response from ZoneEdit support.
  
  I found references to people getting help from Dan here:
  http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/questions/2011-01/msg00504.html
  
  My issue(s):
  
  1.) I can't login to zoneedit.com's new interface.  I used to be able to
  log in to the legacy interface -- but apparently I'm in the same boat as
  Mr. Jack L. Stone was -- in that you can no longer manage zones from the
  legacy interface.
  The legacy interface tells me my account is active at the new interface,
  but the new interface tells me my account does not even exist.
  
  2.) My mail forwarding service provided by zoneedit.com stopped working
  approximately last week monday.  It has been working fine since 2002.
   Don't you just love it when this stuff happens.
  
  3.) I can't change my DNS / mail forwarding service, because the email I
  used for my domain registration at my registrar is one of the emails that
  gets forwarded (and the forwarding is not working).
  
  If Jack L. Stone or Dan from ZoneEdit can get in contact with me I would
  be very grateful.
  I don't know what else to do at this point.
  The company that currently owns ZoneEdit (Dotster) won't help me -- they
  say they don't have the ability to provide support for ZoneEdit customers.
  
  This is my last hope pretty much.  Dan or Jack if you're out there, please
  get back to me.

Nick, we've had some rouble with zoneedit recently also.  Someone who's 
clearly using zoneedit.com's mail services registered on a forum we run, 
but the auto registration response bounced and continued to bounce for 2
days, with the following response (edited to protect $poor_innocent):

===
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:22:44 +1100
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem mailer-dae...@nimfm.org
To: www-d...@folks.nimfm.org
Subject: Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours

The original message was received at Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:15:45 +1100
from www-data@localhost [127.0.0.1]

- Transcript of session follows -
... while talking to mail.zoneedit.com.:
 DATA
 450 4.7.1 Client host rejected: cannot find your reverse hostname, 
[220.233.175.114]
xxx...@.com... Deferred: 450 4.7.1 Client host rejected: cannot 
find your reverse hostname, [220.233.175.114]
 554 5.5.1 Error: no valid recipients
Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
Will keep trying until message is 2 days old

Reporting-MTA: dns; folks.nimfm.org
Arrival-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:15:45 +1100

Final-Recipient: RFC822; xxx...@x.com
Action: delayed
Status: 4.7.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.zoneedit.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 450 4.7.1 Client host rejected: cannot find your reverse 
hostname, [220.233.175.114]
Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:16:25 +1100
===

I forwarded the above (plus dig results proving there was nothing wrong 
with our reverse DNS on some big nameservers) to postmas...@zoneedit.com 
but have received no response, and of course we have no way to contact 
$poor_innocent.  Not a good look.

cheers, Ian
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Re: vfs.root.mountfrom with geli

2013-02-04 Thread Fabian Keil
mhca12 mhc...@gmail.com wrote:

 I followed the guide on dan.me.uk to install FreeBSD 9.1 amd64
 but I get always stuck because the kernel doesn't ask me for the
 passphrase and doesn't find the /dev/gpt/enc.eli where enc is the
 label I gave to the root partition. I also tried with /dev/ada0p3.eli
 without success.
 
 Tried the following two /boot/loader.config variations:
 1:
 geom_eli_load=YES
 vfs.root.mountfrom=”ufs:/dev/gpt/enc.eli”
 2:
 geom_eli_load=YES
 vfs.root.mountfrom=”ufs:/dev/ada0p3.eli”
 
 I can geli attach /dev/gpt/enc or /dev/ada0p3 successfully from
 the livecd.
 
 Can you advise me what I might have done wrong or what I
 should try?
 
 https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/2012/05/05/full-disk-encryption-in-freebsd-9-x-well-almost/

This guide doesn't seem to match your configuration.
It uses ada0p3.eli for swapping and additionally uses keyfiles.

Without knowing your actual configuration it's impossible to
give proper advice. You could check with geli list ada0p3 if
the boot flag is set, but that's obviously just a wild guess ...

Fabian


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Re: http://localhost/phpmyadmin

2013-02-04 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 17:12:15 -0600
ogidiagba obaroene articulated:

Seriously dude, the crystal ball is hung over from watching the Super
Bowl yesterday. You are going to have to do it the old fashioned way
and actually write your question out in long hand.

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Re: vfs.root.mountfrom with geli

2013-02-04 Thread mhca12
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Fabian Keil wrote:
 mhca12 mhc...@gmail.com wrote:

 I followed the guide on dan.me.uk to install FreeBSD 9.1 amd64
 but I get always stuck because the kernel doesn't ask me for the
 passphrase and doesn't find the /dev/gpt/enc.eli where enc is the
 label I gave to the root partition. I also tried with /dev/ada0p3.eli
 without success.

 Tried the following two /boot/loader.config variations:
 1:
 geom_eli_load=YES
 vfs.root.mountfrom=”ufs:/dev/gpt/enc.eli”
 2:
 geom_eli_load=YES
 vfs.root.mountfrom=”ufs:/dev/ada0p3.eli”

 I can geli attach /dev/gpt/enc or /dev/ada0p3 successfully from
 the livecd.

 Can you advise me what I might have done wrong or what I
 should try?

 https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/2012/05/05/full-disk-encryption-in-freebsd-9-x-well-almost/

 This guide doesn't seem to match your configuration.
 It uses ada0p3.eli for swapping and additionally uses keyfiles.

 Without knowing your actual configuration it's impossible to
 give proper advice. You could check with geli list ada0p3 if
 the boot flag is set, but that's obviously just a wild guess ...

Forgot to list my simpler setup:
ada0p1 freebsd-boot
ada0p2 freebsd-ufs label boot /boot
ada0p3 geli freebsd-ufs label enc /

Do I have to set the boot flag for any of them?
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Re: http://localhost/phpmyadmin

2013-02-04 Thread David Demelier
I think it's just a spam, and I would not recommend to answer that mails


2013/2/4 Jerry je...@seibercom.net

 On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 17:12:15 -0600
 ogidiagba obaroene articulated:

 Seriously dude, the crystal ball is hung over from watching the Super
 Bowl yesterday. You are going to have to do it the old fashioned way
 and actually write your question out in long hand.

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Re: svn for 9.1

2013-02-04 Thread Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
Whoops.  Initially sent a message to the poster directly. 

On Sun, Feb 03, 2013 at 05:26:52PM -0500, Fbsd8 wrote:
 What is the category / port name to install svn?

/usr/ports/devel/subversion

I assum you meant that.
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Re: zoneedit.com

2013-02-04 Thread Mike.

On 2/3/2013 at 3:04 PM Fbsd8 wrote:
| [snip]
|
|After reviewing zoneedit new website looks like they are no longer
free 
|and there now in the domain register business
 =


Zoneedit was purchased by Dotster a while ago (few months?  couple of
years?)

If you look at an legacy zoneedit page, you'll see at the bottom:
  (http://legacy.zoneedit.com/contact.html)

Zone Edit, LLC is a Dotster, Inc.-owned company. 

I have noticed zoneedit's quality of service declining since the
purchase.  I switched to tunnelbroker.net's FreeDNS serivce and haven't
looked back.

The registration company I used, 000domains.com, was also purchased by
Dotster, and I had to leave 000doamins.com due to customer service
issues after the purchase.  I went to namecheap.com, and have been very
satisfied.

YMMV.


  





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Re: zoneedit.com

2013-02-04 Thread Pierre-Luc Drouin
Hi,

I had a similar issue about my emails not getting forwarded by Zoneedit.
Now I am using the Google SMTP server to collect the emails for my domain.
Maybe I should also switch the DNS to another service. I need my router to
be able to update the DNS information for my dynamic IP address though...

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Mike. the.li...@mgm51.com wrote:


 On 2/3/2013 at 3:04 PM Fbsd8 wrote:
 | [snip]
 |
 |After reviewing zoneedit new website looks like they are no longer
 free
 |and there now in the domain register business
  =


 Zoneedit was purchased by Dotster a while ago (few months?  couple of
 years?)

 If you look at an legacy zoneedit page, you'll see at the bottom:
   (http://legacy.zoneedit.com/contact.html)

 Zone Edit, LLC is a Dotster, Inc.-owned company.

 I have noticed zoneedit's quality of service declining since the
 purchase.  I switched to tunnelbroker.net's FreeDNS serivce and haven't
 looked back.

 The registration company I used, 000domains.com, was also purchased by
 Dotster, and I had to leave 000doamins.com due to customer service
 issues after the purchase.  I went to namecheap.com, and have been very
 satisfied.

 YMMV.








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Re: zoneedit.com

2013-02-04 Thread Jerry
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:48:06 -0500
Pierre-Luc Drouin articulated:

 On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Mike. the.li...@mgm51.com wrote:
 
 
  On 2/3/2013 at 3:04 PM Fbsd8 wrote:
  | [snip]
  |
  |After reviewing zoneedit new website looks like they are no longer
  free
  |and there now in the domain register business
   =
 
 
  Zoneedit was purchased by Dotster a while ago (few months?  couple
  of years?)
 
  If you look at an legacy zoneedit page, you'll see at the bottom:
(http://legacy.zoneedit.com/contact.html)
 
  Zone Edit, LLC is a Dotster, Inc.-owned company.
 
  I have noticed zoneedit's quality of service declining since the
  purchase.  I switched to tunnelbroker.net's FreeDNS serivce and
  haven't looked back.
 
  The registration company I used, 000domains.com, was also purchased
  by Dotster, and I had to leave 000doamins.com due to customer
  service issues after the purchase.  I went to namecheap.com, and
  have been very satisfied.

 I had a similar issue about my emails not getting forwarded by
 Zoneedit. Now I am using the Google SMTP server to collect the emails
 for my domain. Maybe I should also switch the DNS to another service.
 I need my router to be able to update the DNS information for my
 dynamic IP address though...

http://dyn.com/dns/; can do that and ddclient needed to update the
DNS is available in the ports system. I have set up several PC's with
just this system and they work quite well.

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Re: zoneedit.com

2013-02-04 Thread Pierre-Luc Drouin
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote:

 On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:48:06 -0500
 Pierre-Luc Drouin articulated:

  On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Mike. the.li...@mgm51.com wrote:
 
  
   On 2/3/2013 at 3:04 PM Fbsd8 wrote:
   | [snip]
   |
   |After reviewing zoneedit new website looks like they are no longer
   free
   |and there now in the domain register business
=
  
  
   Zoneedit was purchased by Dotster a while ago (few months?  couple
   of years?)
  
   If you look at an legacy zoneedit page, you'll see at the bottom:
 (http://legacy.zoneedit.com/contact.html)
  
   Zone Edit, LLC is a Dotster, Inc.-owned company.
  
   I have noticed zoneedit's quality of service declining since the
   purchase.  I switched to tunnelbroker.net's FreeDNS serivce and
   haven't looked back.
  
   The registration company I used, 000domains.com, was also purchased
   by Dotster, and I had to leave 000doamins.com due to customer
   service issues after the purchase.  I went to namecheap.com, and
   have been very satisfied.

  I had a similar issue about my emails not getting forwarded by
  Zoneedit. Now I am using the Google SMTP server to collect the emails
  for my domain. Maybe I should also switch the DNS to another service.
  I need my router to be able to update the DNS information for my
  dynamic IP address though...

 http://dyn.com/dns/; can do that and ddclient needed to update the
 DNS is available in the ports system. I have set up several PC's with
 just this system and they work quite well.

 --
 Jerry ♔


Thanks, I will take a look. I got Zoneedit for free though..
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Re: zoneedit.com

2013-02-04 Thread Mike.
On 2/4/2013 at 9:48 AM Pierre-Luc Drouin wrote:

|Hi,
|
|I had a similar issue about my emails not getting forwarded by
Zoneedit.
|Now I am using the Google SMTP server to collect the emails for my
domain.
|Maybe I should also switch the DNS to another service. I need my
router to
|be able to update the DNS information for my dynamic IP address
though...
 =

fwiw... the tunnelbroker.net freedns service supports dynamic updates.

https://dns.he.net/






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Re: zoneedit.com

2013-02-04 Thread Peter A. Giessel

On 2013, Feb 4, at 5:48, Pierre-Luc Drouin wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I had a similar issue about my emails not getting forwarded by Zoneedit.
 Now I am using the Google SMTP server to collect the emails for my domain.
 Maybe I should also switch the DNS to another service. I need my router to
 be able to update the DNS information for my dynamic IP address though...

http://dyn.com/dns/

Dyn.com can have a FreeBSD box update the DNS information for a dynamic IP 
address.

I have been a user for a long time and am quite happy with their DNS service.
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Re: zoneedit.com

2013-02-04 Thread Jerry
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 10:10:09 -0500
Pierre-Luc Drouin articulated:

 Thanks, I will take a look. I got Zoneedit for free though..

As always, you get what you pay for. I have had a few instances when I
had to contact the technical support team at DynDNSs and was quite
impressed. They got back to me very quickly and answered my questions.
I think they now have live support and telephone support, but all I
ever used was plain email. Again, YMMV.

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Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs + NFS + FreeBSD with performance prob

2013-02-04 Thread Paul Kraus
On Jan 31, 2013, at 5:16 PM, Albert Shih wrote:

 Well I've server running FreeBSD 9.0 with (don't count / on differents
 disks) zfs pool with 36 disk.
 
 The performance is very very good on the server.
 
 I've one NFS client running FreeBSD 8.3 and the performance over NFS is
 very good : 
 
 For example : Read from the client and write over NFS to ZFS:
 
 [root@ .tmp]# time tar xf /tmp/linux-3.7.5.tar 
 
 real1m7.244s
 user0m0.921s
 sys 0m8.990s
 
 this client is on 1Gbits/s network cable and same network switch as the
 server.
 
 I've a second NFS client running FreeBSD 9.1-Stable, and on this second
 client the performance is catastrophic. After 1 hour the tar isn't finish.
 OK this second client is connect with 100Mbit/s and not on the same switch.
 But well from 2 min -- ~ 90 min ...:-(
 
 I've try for this second client to change on the ZFS-NFS server the
 
   zfs set sync=disabled 
 
 and that change nothing.

I have been using FreeBSD 9 with ZFS and NFS to a couple Mac OS X (10.6.8 Snow 
Leopard) boxes and I get between 40 and 50 MB/sec throughput on a Gigabit 
ethernet link. Since you have already ruled out the known sync issue with ZFS 
and no SSD-based write cache, then perhaps you are running into an NFS 3 vs. 
NFS 4 issue. I am not sure if Mac OS X is using NFS 3 or NFS 4.

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Can anyone direct me to some information about what WITHOUT_PROFILE=YES actually means.

2013-02-04 Thread dweimer


I have ran into a recent issue, after a lot of trouble shooting I have 
narrowed it down to something in my /etc/src.conf


the full file just has:
WITHOUT_BIND=YES
WITHOUT_NTP=YES
WITHOUT_FLOPPY=YES
WITHOUT_FREEBSD_UPDATE=YES
WITHOUT_PROFILE=YES

Of course bind and ntp are added in by ports after the system is built, 
everything compiles, I have a very specific issue with one thing not 
working on an installed port, with no apparent error.  To make a long 
story short though one of my build attempts, I forgot to copy the 
/etc/src.conf file to the new system.  And well the problem was gone, 
when I discovered that's what I did differently, I commented out all 
lines on a different system rebuilt and installed, sure enough it 
worked.  Looking at the src.conf options that I was using, I can't see 
how any option other than the WITHOUT_PROFILE could possibly be causing 
the problem.  Though I am in the process of building systems with 
different options removed in an attempt to find out for sure.


The WITHOUT_PROFILE was added from a help document I read some time ago 
about upgrading from source, and hasn't caused any problems before now.  
I know it instructs the build process to avoid compiling profiled 
libraries.  But my searching hasn't been able to lead me to what the 
difference is between a profiled and non-profiled library is.


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Re: vfs.root.mountfrom with geli

2013-02-04 Thread Fabian Keil
mhca12 mhc...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Fabian Keil wrote:
  mhca12 mhc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I followed the guide on dan.me.uk to install FreeBSD 9.1 amd64
  but I get always stuck because the kernel doesn't ask me for the
  passphrase and doesn't find the /dev/gpt/enc.eli where enc is the
  label I gave to the root partition. I also tried with /dev/ada0p3.eli
  without success.
 
  Tried the following two /boot/loader.config variations:
  1:
  geom_eli_load=YES
  vfs.root.mountfrom=”ufs:/dev/gpt/enc.eli”
  2:
  geom_eli_load=YES
  vfs.root.mountfrom=”ufs:/dev/ada0p3.eli”
 
  I can geli attach /dev/gpt/enc or /dev/ada0p3 successfully from
  the livecd.
 
  Can you advise me what I might have done wrong or what I
  should try?
 
  https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/2012/05/05/full-disk-encryption-in-freebsd-9-x-well-almost/
 
  This guide doesn't seem to match your configuration.
  It uses ada0p3.eli for swapping and additionally uses keyfiles.
 
  Without knowing your actual configuration it's impossible to
  give proper advice. You could check with geli list ada0p3 if
  the boot flag is set, but that's obviously just a wild guess ...
 
 Forgot to list my simpler setup:
 ada0p1 freebsd-boot
 ada0p2 freebsd-ufs label boot /boot
 ada0p3 geli freebsd-ufs label enc /
 
 Do I have to set the boot flag for any of them?

The geli passphrase is only requested at boot time for providers that
have the geli boot flag set (for details see geli(8)). If it isn't set
on ada0p3 it would explain the described behaviour.

Fabian


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Re: vfs.root.mountfrom with geli

2013-02-04 Thread mhca12
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Fabian Keil wrote:
 mhca12 mhc...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Fabian Keil wrote:
  mhca12 mhc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I followed the guide on dan.me.uk to install FreeBSD 9.1 amd64
  but I get always stuck because the kernel doesn't ask me for the
  passphrase and doesn't find the /dev/gpt/enc.eli where enc is the
  label I gave to the root partition. I also tried with /dev/ada0p3.eli
  without success.
 
  Tried the following two /boot/loader.config variations:
  1:
  geom_eli_load=YES
  vfs.root.mountfrom=”ufs:/dev/gpt/enc.eli”
  2:
  geom_eli_load=YES
  vfs.root.mountfrom=”ufs:/dev/ada0p3.eli”
 
  I can geli attach /dev/gpt/enc or /dev/ada0p3 successfully from
  the livecd.
 
  Can you advise me what I might have done wrong or what I
  should try?
 
  https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/2012/05/05/full-disk-encryption-in-freebsd-9-x-well-almost/
 
  This guide doesn't seem to match your configuration.
  It uses ada0p3.eli for swapping and additionally uses keyfiles.
 
  Without knowing your actual configuration it's impossible to
  give proper advice. You could check with geli list ada0p3 if
  the boot flag is set, but that's obviously just a wild guess ...

 Forgot to list my simpler setup:
 ada0p1 freebsd-boot
 ada0p2 freebsd-ufs label boot /boot
 ada0p3 geli freebsd-ufs label enc /

 Do I have to set the boot flag for any of them?

 The geli passphrase is only requested at boot time for providers that
 have the geli boot flag set (for details see geli(8)). If it isn't set
 on ada0p3 it would explain the described behaviour.

Fabian thanks a lot. Maybe I forgot -b during geli init but a
geli configure -b /dev/ada0p3.eli fixed it. FreeBSD is so
well structured and logical in this regard and hopefully
in many others as I heard.

In vfs.root.mountfrom only ”ufs:/dev/ada0p3.eli” works and
the /dev/gpt/enc.eli doesn't. Is it supposed to?
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which pkg repository with 9.1

2013-02-04 Thread mhca12
I have just installed 9.1 amd64 on a test machine and wanted
to install rsync. Is pkgng the right choice and if so is there
a handy guide how to get started or should I use pkg_add -r?

Is this any different for i386? It used to be that there's
no i386 pkgng repository.
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Re: which pkg repository with 9.1

2013-02-04 Thread mhca12
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:31 PM, mhca12 wrote:
 I have just installed 9.1 amd64 on a test machine and wanted
 to install rsync. Is pkgng the right choice and if so is there
 a handy guide how to get started or should I use pkg_add -r?

 Is this any different for i386? It used to be that there's
 no i386 pkgng repository.

I ran pkg and it fetched and setup pkgng. That was easy.
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Re: which pkg repository with 9.1

2013-02-04 Thread mhca12
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Steve O'Hara-Smith st...@sohara.org wrote:
 On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 19:53:40 +0100
 mhca12 mhc...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:48 PM, mhca12 wrote:
  On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:31 PM, mhca12 wrote:
  I have just installed 9.1 amd64 on a test machine and wanted
  to install rsync. Is pkgng the right choice and if so is there
  a handy guide how to get started or should I use pkg_add -r?
 
  Is this any different for i386? It used to be that there's
  no i386 pkgng repository.
 
  I ran pkg and it fetched and setup pkgng. That was easy.

 Is it possible that the November 2012 security incident means
 there's still no installable packaged via pkg-install?
 I was going to install rsync.

 I believe it is still the case that there is no official package
 repository. I've gone to using poudriere to maintain a local pkgng
 repository. Once set up (not too hard) it's remarkably painless.

To get started for the moment can't I also use pkg_add -r rsync?
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where is 1GB of RAM

2013-02-04 Thread Wojciech Puchar

new dell server:

Copyright (c) 1992-2013 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.
FreeBSD 9.1-STABLE #2: Sat Feb  2 22:54:21 CET 2013
r...@s1.3miasto.net.pl:/usr/src/sys/amd64/compile/s1 amd64
CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1240 V2 @ 3.40GHz (3392.37-MHz K8-class CPU)
  Origin = GenuineIntel  Id = 0x306a9  Family = 0x6  Model = 0x3a 
Stepping = 9


Features=0xbfebfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE

Features2=0x7fbae3ffSSE3,PCLMULQDQ,DTES64,MON,DS_CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,POPCNT,TSCDLT,AESNI,XSAVE,OSXSAVE,AVX,F16C,RDRAND
  AMD Features=0x28100800SYSCALL,NX,RDTSCP,LM
  AMD Features2=0x1LAHF
  Standard Extended Features=0x281GSFSBASE,SMEP,ENHMOVSB
  TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics
real memory  = 34359738368 (32768 MB)
avail memory = 33167446016 (31630 MB)



where did 1GB of memory go?
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Re: which pkg repository with 9.1

2013-02-04 Thread Mark Blackman

On 4 Feb 2013, at 18:53, mhca12 wrote:

 On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:48 PM, mhca12 wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:31 PM, mhca12 wrote:
 I have just installed 9.1 amd64 on a test machine and wanted
 to install rsync. Is pkgng the right choice and if so is there
 a handy guide how to get started or should I use pkg_add -r?
 
 Is this any different for i386? It used to be that there's
 no i386 pkgng repository.
 
 I ran pkg and it fetched and setup pkgng. That was easy.
 
 Is it possible that the November 2012 security incident means
 there's still no installable packaged via pkg-install?
 I was going to install rsync.

If you're interested, we've set up an unofficial but public pkgng format 
repository at

http://mirror.exonetric.net/pub/pkgng

To use these packages, just set your PACKAGESITE variable in 
/usr/local/etc/pkg.conf like so, 

PACKAGESITE : http://mirror.exonetric.net/pub/pkgng/${ABI}/latest

These have FreeBSD 8 and 9, i386 and amd64 kernel pkgng format packages for the 
whole ports tree,
build failures notwithstanding.

You'll have to explicitly make the decision to trust or not these
builds, of course, but all are welcome to use them until the official
ones are available.

- Mark

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Re: Booting issue with 9.1-RELEASE and net4801

2013-02-04 Thread Alberto Mijares
 ada0: Previously was known as ad0
 GEOM: new disk ada0
 GEOM_PART: partition 2 has end offset beyond last LBA: 7999487  7813119
 GEOM_PART: partition 3 has start offset beyond last LBA: 7999488  7813119
 GEOM_PART: partition 3 has end offset beyond last LBA: 8002511  7813119
 GEOM_PART: integrity check failed (ada0, MBR)


Hmmm... I think this is the problem. I'll check my nano config again.
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Re: Booting issue with 9.1-RELEASE and net4801

2013-02-04 Thread Gary Aitken
On 02/04/13 11:54, Alberto Mijares wrote:
 Hi list,
 
 I'm finally playing with my net4801 and nanobsd. SanDisk CF is recognized.
 
 At my first try I had to disable DMA in ATA because it hanged out. Now
 it hangs when trying to mount root filesystem and mountroot prompt
 appears. However, if a stop in loader prompt and type ls, files and
 dirs are displayed on disk0s1a.
 
 Any suggestion?
 
 Verbose boot log next:
 
 OK boot -v log

 ada0 at ata0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0
 ada0: SanDisk SDCFH-004G HDX 6.03 CFA-0 device
 ada0: Serial Number BOZ111711234413
 ada0: 16.700MB/s transfers (PIO4, PIO 512bytes)
 ada0: 3815MB (7813120 512 byte sectors: 16H 63S/T 7751C)
 ada0: Previously was known as ad0
 GEOM: new disk ada0
 GEOM_PART: partition 2 has end offset beyond last LBA: 7999487  7813119
 GEOM_PART: partition 3 has start offset beyond last LBA: 7999488  7813119
 GEOM_PART: partition 3 has end offset beyond last LBA: 8002511  7813119
 GEOM_PART: integrity check failed (ada0, MBR)
 uhub0: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered
 Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada0s1a [ro]...
 mountroot: waiting for device /dev/ada0s1a ...
 Mounting from ufs:/dev/ada0s1a failed with error 19.
 
 Loader variables:
   vfs.root.mountfrom=ufs:/dev/ada0s1a
   vfs.root.mountfrom.options=ro
 
 Manual root filesystem specification:
   fstype:device [options]
   Mount device using filesystem fstype
   and with the specified (optional) option list.
 
 eg. ufs:/dev/da0s1a
 zfs:tank
 cd9660:/dev/acd0 ro
   (which is equivalent to: mount -t cd9660 -o ro /dev/acd0 /)
 
   ?   List valid disk boot devices
   .   Yield 1 second (for background tasks)
   empty lineAbort manual input
 
 mountroot

I believe I got this error when the root boot block is written properly,
but the first partition on the disk does not have the proper gpart boot code
in it.

Try listing the gpt partition scheme:

# gpart show -l ada1
=   34  156301421  ada1  GPT  (74G)
 34   1024 1  gptboot  (512k)
   1058  6- free -  (3.0k)
   10644194304 2  hdd-80G-root  (2.0G)
41953684194304 3  hdd-80G-swap  (2.0G)
83896724194304 4  hdd-80G-var  (2.0G)
   125839764194304 5  hdd-80G-tmp  (2.0G)
   16778280  139523168 6  hdd-80G-usr  (66G)
  156301448  7- free -  (3.5k)

Notice in the above partition 1, labeled gptboot (a label I gave it)
That's the boot code, which can be written as follows:
  gpart bootcode -p /boot/gptboot -i 1 ada1
assuming the system you're running on has /boot/gptboot on it.

Gary
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Re: where is 1GB of RAM

2013-02-04 Thread jb
Wojciech Puchar wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl writes:

 
 new dell server:
...
 real memory  = 34359738368 (32768 MB)
 avail memory = 33167446016 (31630 MB)
 
 where did 1GB of memory go?

- new BIOS firmware available ?
- BIOS - preallocation - graphics card ?
- $ sysctl -a |grep -i mem
jb


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Re: where is 1GB of RAM

2013-02-04 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 04/02/2013 19:44, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
 real memory  = 34359738368 (32768 MB)
 avail memory = 33167446016 (31630 MB)
 
 
 
 where did 1GB of memory go?

Used by the kernel.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: geli overhead?

2013-02-04 Thread dweimer

On 02/04/2013 2:56 pm, mhca12 wrote:

Is there some overhead associated with the geli setup as
described earlier?

$ df -h
Filesystem SizeUsed   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/ada0p3.eli127G6.9G119G 5%/
devfs  1.0k1.0k  0B   100%/dev
/dev/gpt/boot  991M339M642M35%/bootdir
$ gpart show
=   34  312581741  ada0  GPT  (149G)
 34128 1  freebsd-boot  (64k)
1622097152 2  freebsd-ufs  (1.0G)
2097314  310484461 3  freebsd-ufs  (148G)

Where did 21G from the 148G go?

As suggested in dan.me.uk geli install guide I used geli init -a 
HMAC/SHA256
and also ran dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/gpt/enc.eli across the eli 
volume.

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Did you use the -a option when doing the geli init?


 -a aalgoEnable data integrity verification (authenti-
cation) using the given algorithm.  
This will
reduce size of available storage and 
also
reduce speed.  For example, when using 
4096
bytes sector and HMAC/SHA256 algorithm, 
89% of
the original provider storage will be 
avail-
able for use.  Currently supported 
algorithms
are: HMAC/MD5, HMAC/SHA1, 
HMAC/RIPEMD160,
HMAC/SHA256, HMAC/SHA384 and 
HMAC/SHA512.  If
the option is not given, there will be 
no
authentication, only encryption.  The 
recom-

mended algorithm is HMAC/SHA256.



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Thanks,
   Dean E. Weimer
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Re: geli overhead?

2013-02-04 Thread mhca12
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:19 PM, dweimer dwei...@dweimer.net wrote:
 On 02/04/2013 2:56 pm, mhca12 wrote:

 Is there some overhead associated with the geli setup as
 described earlier?

 $ df -h
 Filesystem SizeUsed   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
 /dev/ada0p3.eli127G6.9G119G 5%/
 devfs  1.0k1.0k  0B   100%/dev
 /dev/gpt/boot  991M339M642M35%/bootdir
 $ gpart show
 =   34  312581741  ada0  GPT  (149G)
  34128 1  freebsd-boot  (64k)
 1622097152 2  freebsd-ufs  (1.0G)
 2097314  310484461 3  freebsd-ufs  (148G)

 Where did 21G from the 148G go?

 As suggested in dan.me.uk geli install guide I used geli init -a
 HMAC/SHA256
 and also ran dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/gpt/enc.eli across the eli volume.
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 Did you use the -a option when doing the geli init?


  -a aalgoEnable data integrity verification (authenti-
 cation) using the given algorithm.  This
 will
 reduce size of available storage and also
 reduce speed.  For example, when using 4096
 bytes sector and HMAC/SHA256 algorithm, 89%
 of
 the original provider storage will be avail-
 able for use.  Currently supported
 algorithms
 are: HMAC/MD5, HMAC/SHA1, HMAC/RIPEMD160,
 HMAC/SHA256, HMAC/SHA384 and HMAC/SHA512.
 If
 the option is not given, there will be no
 authentication, only encryption.  The recom-
 mended algorithm is HMAC/SHA256.

Yes I did (see above).

Do I have to init the volume again to skip authentication?

Does skipping authentication also remove the requirement of
zeroing the whole eli disk for the checksums?
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Re: Can anyone direct me to some information about what WITHOUT_PROFILE=YES actually means.

2013-02-04 Thread Michael Powell
dweimer wrote:

 
 I have ran into a recent issue, after a lot of trouble shooting I have
 narrowed it down to something in my /etc/src.conf
 
 the full file just has:
 WITHOUT_BIND=YES
 WITHOUT_NTP=YES
 WITHOUT_FLOPPY=YES
 WITHOUT_FREEBSD_UPDATE=YES
 WITHOUT_PROFILE=YES
 
 Of course bind and ntp are added in by ports after the system is built,
 everything compiles, I have a very specific issue with one thing not
 working on an installed port, with no apparent error.  To make a long
 story short though one of my build attempts, I forgot to copy the
 /etc/src.conf file to the new system.  And well the problem was gone,
 when I discovered that's what I did differently, I commented out all
 lines on a different system rebuilt and installed, sure enough it
 worked.  Looking at the src.conf options that I was using, I can't see
 how any option other than the WITHOUT_PROFILE could possibly be causing
 the problem.  Though I am in the process of building systems with
 different options removed in an attempt to find out for sure.
 
 The WITHOUT_PROFILE was added from a help document I read some time ago
 about upgrading from source, and hasn't caused any problems before now.
 I know it instructs the build process to avoid compiling profiled
 libraries.  But my searching hasn't been able to lead me to what the
 difference is between a profiled and non-profiled library is.
 

I'm not a code hacker, so take with pinch of salt. In the man page for 
src.conf it declares that variable values would be ignored, and of course I 
missed that. While I have WITHOUT_PROFILE= true in my src.conf, the correct 
use is simply WITHOUT_PROFILE by itself. Since I have never experienced any 
form of difficulty perhaps the difference here is the quotation marks. Maybe 
something is malfunctioning from the .  See if removing these helps?

Also, from what I understand what's in src.conf should only apply to 
building the system, e.g code located under /usr/src. I've always taken this 
to mean it should not apply to building anything in ports. 

My limited understanding is that when you build profiled code you are 
inserting a little extra debug code which is utilized to measure the time 
spent within internal structures, such as functions and other sub-routines. 
Not that I even know how such info would get extracted at runtime, 
programmers use this to look for areas within their code that hog resources 
time-wise and zero in on those to concentrate on makeing more 
efficient/faster.

-Mike


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parallel/simultaneous portinstall ?

2013-02-04 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette

One question about portupgrade has been nagging me, in the back of my
mind, for some time now.

Assume for the moment that on some given system, the root user has two
terminal sessions open, i.e. either two instances of xterm or else two
console sessions.

Also assume that there exist three ports, `A', `B', and `C' such that
both port `A' and port `B' both depend on port `C'.

Assume further that port `C' has not yet been installed.

My question is just this:  Is it possible that Something Bad might
happen if, in one terminal session, the root user does portinstall A
and if, which that instance of portinstall is still running, he then
immediately switches to his other terminal session and then does
portinstall B ?

Another way of stating my question is this:  Might anything bad ever
happen if there are two simultaneous, or nearly simultaneous attempts
to build  install any given single package (e.g. port `C' in my
example above) ?

(I am concerned about the possibility that the two simultaneous attempts
to build and install the same single package might possibly trip over
one another, resulting either in a mangled build tree or else a mangled
installed port, or possibly both.)
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Mapping Perl module names to corresponding FreeBSD port names

2013-02-04 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette

I am, at long last, moving my main system over onto a new drive where
I have just installed a fresh copy of 9.1-RELEASE, and where I have
built and installed essentially all of the ports I had on my old
(8.3-RELEASE) system... at least the ones that I am actually still
actively using.

A problem arises however in the case of the various p5-* (Perl) ports
that I have installed on my old 8.3 system.  How can I know which of
these I really need to install on my new 9.1 system, you know, in order
to make sure that all of my existing/old Perl scripts will continue to
function?

pkg_info says that I currently have 84 different p5-* ports installed
on my old 8.3 system.  The list of these is attached below.  (I suspect
that many/most of these I installed temporarily, just for some one-off
task, and that I no longer need to have them installed, e.g. on my new
system.)

I keep all of my personal scripts and compiled programs in a directory I
call /usr/local/rfg/bin.  I have gone into that directory and done:

grep '^use ' | sort -u

in order to find all the the Perl module names that my various personal
Perl scripts are using.  The result is the following (which has been
trimmed a bit to remove irrelevant fluff):

use CGI::Lite;
use Cwd;
use Email::MIME;
use Encode;
use HTML::TreeBuilder;
use IO::Handle;
use LWP::Simple;
use List::Util qw(min max);
use Net::CIDR::Lite;
use Net::DNS;
use Time::localtime;
use URI::Escape;

So basically, on my new system, I need to install all of the p5-* FreeBSD
ports that correspond to the above set of Perl modules.  In order to
do this, I need to somehow derive the corresponding FreeBSD p5-* port
names from the Perl module names listed above.

In some cases, the mapping is both straightforward and obvious, e.g.:

CGI::Lite   =  p5-CGI-Lite
Email::MIME =  p5-Email-MIME
Net::DNS=  p5-Net-DNS

however in many other cases the correct mapping is not immediately obvious.

So, I need to ask:  Is there some simple automated way to map each of the
above Perl module names into a corresponding FreeBSD p5-* port name?
If not, is there a map published somewhere that I could just refer to in
order to find the name of the specific FreeBSD port that corresponds to
any given (CPAN-published) Perl module?


List of currently installed p5-* packages
=
p5-AnyEvent
p5-Authen-NTLM
p5-CGI-Lite
p5-CPAN-Meta
p5-CPAN-Meta-Requirements
p5-CPAN-Meta-YAML
p5-Cairo
p5-Compress-Raw-Bzip2
p5-Compress-Raw-Zlib
p5-Convert-BinHex
p5-Digest-HMAC
p5-Email-Address
p5-Email-Date-Format
p5-Email-MIME
p5-Email-MIME-ContentType
p5-Email-MIME-Encodings
p5-Email-MessageID
p5-Email-Simple
p5-Encode-Locale
p5-Event
p5-Event-ExecFlow
p5-Event-RPC
p5-ExtUtils-CBuilder
p5-ExtUtils-Depends
p5-ExtUtils-ParseXS
p5-ExtUtils-PkgConfig
p5-File-Listing
p5-Font-AFM
p5-Glib2
p5-Gtk2
p5-Gtk2-Ex-FormFactory
p5-Gtk2-Ex-Simple-List
p5-HTML-Form
p5-HTML-Format
p5-HTML-Parser
p5-HTML-Tagset
p5-HTML-Tree
p5-HTTP-Cookies
p5-HTTP-Daemon
p5-HTTP-Date
p5-HTTP-Message
p5-HTTP-Negotiate
p5-HTTP-Server-Simple
p5-IO-Compress
p5-IO-Socket-INET6
p5-IO-Socket-SSL
p5-IO-stringy
p5-JSON-PP
p5-LWP-MediaTypes
p5-Lchown
p5-Locale-gettext
p5-Locale-libintl
p5-MIME-Base64
p5-MIME-Tools
p5-MIME-Types
p5-Mail-Tools
p5-Module-Build
p5-Module-Metadata
p5-Net-CIDR-Lite
p5-Net-DNS
p5-Net-HTTP
p5-Net-IP
p5-Net-LibIDN
p5-Net-SSLeay
p5-Pango
p5-Parse-CPAN-Meta
p5-Perl-OSType
p5-Socket6
p5-Storable
p5-TimeDate
p5-URI
p5-Unicode-Map8
p5-Unicode-String
p5-WWW-Mechanize
p5-WWW-RobotRules
p5-XML-NamespaceSupport
p5-XML-Parser
p5-XML-SAX
p5-XML-SAX-Base
p5-XML-SAX-Expat
p5-XML-Simple
p5-libwww
p5-type1inst
p5-version
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Re: Can anyone direct me to some information about what WITHOUT_PROFILE=YES actually means.

2013-02-04 Thread dweimer

On 02/04/2013 3:25 pm, Michael Powell wrote:

dweimer wrote:



I have ran into a recent issue, after a lot of trouble shooting I 
have

narrowed it down to something in my /etc/src.conf

the full file just has:
WITHOUT_BIND=YES
WITHOUT_NTP=YES
WITHOUT_FLOPPY=YES
WITHOUT_FREEBSD_UPDATE=YES
WITHOUT_PROFILE=YES

Of course bind and ntp are added in by ports after the system is 
built,

everything compiles, I have a very specific issue with one thing not
working on an installed port, with no apparent error.  To make a long
story short though one of my build attempts, I forgot to copy the
/etc/src.conf file to the new system.  And well the problem was gone,
when I discovered that's what I did differently, I commented out all
lines on a different system rebuilt and installed, sure enough it
worked.  Looking at the src.conf options that I was using, I can't 
see
how any option other than the WITHOUT_PROFILE could possibly be 
causing

the problem.  Though I am in the process of building systems with
different options removed in an attempt to find out for sure.

The WITHOUT_PROFILE was added from a help document I read some time 
ago
about upgrading from source, and hasn't caused any problems before 
now.

I know it instructs the build process to avoid compiling profiled
libraries.  But my searching hasn't been able to lead me to what the
difference is between a profiled and non-profiled library is.



I'm not a code hacker, so take with pinch of salt. In the man page for
src.conf it declares that variable values would be ignored, and of 
course I
missed that. While I have WITHOUT_PROFILE= true in my src.conf, the 
correct
use is simply WITHOUT_PROFILE by itself. Since I have never 
experienced any
form of difficulty perhaps the difference here is the quotation marks. 
Maybe

something is malfunctioning from the .  See if removing these helps?

Also, from what I understand what's in src.conf should only apply to
building the system, e.g code located under /usr/src. I've always 
taken this

to mean it should not apply to building anything in ports.

My limited understanding is that when you build profiled code you are
inserting a little extra debug code which is utilized to measure the 
time
spent within internal structures, such as functions and other 
sub-routines.

Not that I even know how such info would get extracted at runtime,
programmers use this to look for areas within their code that hog 
resources

time-wise and zero in on those to concentrate on makeing more
efficient/faster.

-Mike



if I remember right, from information about src.conf, I believe that

WITHOUT_PROFILE
WITHOUT_PROFILE=
WITHOUT_PROFILE=true
WITHOUT_PROFILE=YES
...

are all functionally equivalent as it does ignore the rest, though I 
could be wrong and this could be my problem.  I do know for sure that 
the WIHTOUT_BIND, WITHOUT_NTP, are working correctly as they are gone 
form the system, prior to me installing the versions from ports after 
the build/install world.


Yes this does apply only to system. With the above options buildworld / 
buildkernel / install kernel / install world/ mergemaster / reinstall 
all ports, I have my problem.  Remove all options, repeat no problem.  
Remove just WITHOUT_PROFILE repeat again, problem is back.  So I was 
wrong as to that line being the cause, at least by itself.


I did a lot of initial testing with port option changes, and changes to 
make.conf on my system, thought maybe it was clang, etc.  Didn't get 
anywhere, the system is running on a ZFS boot partition, and as a last 
effort I tried on UFS.  It worked, but I also realized I forgot the 
src.conf settings.  I copied my ZFS systems boot environment and rebuilt 
without src.conf, it now works as well.


Currently doing a fresh install on ZFS to build from ground up with the 
same process used originally, except without the src.conf and confirm I 
can repeat its success.  Then I can do some more testing with adding 
options back into the src.conf to try and narrow down which of those 
options is causing the problem.  If I can figure out which one, or 
combination of them is the cause, then I will hopefully have something 
that can lead to someone with more knowledge than I have being able to 
discover why its having the problem.


The port doesn't fail to compile it installs fine, and 99.5% of it runs 
perfect, just one little thing that I need to work hangs up for about 5 
minutes, before timing out, but doesn't log an error, even with insanely 
verbose debugging, it acts as if it completed but it didn't.


I posted another message about the specific problem several days ago, 
before I had it figured out to be caused somehow by something in the 
src.conf file.  I am trying to run Squid (version 3.2.6 is the current 
port) in reverse proxy, the problem is only when doing a post via HTTPS 
above a certain size, somewhere between 2k and 3.2k is where it begins.


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parallel/simultaneous portinstall ?

2013-02-04 Thread Robert Huff

Ronald F. Guilmette writes:

  My question is just this: Is it possible that Something Bad might
  happen if, in one terminal session, the root user does
  portinstall A and if, which that instance of portinstall is
  still running, he then immediately switches to his other terminal
  session and then does portinstall B ?

It's possible; I will leave the details as an exercise for the
reader.
On the other hand: the worst that happens is that one loses the
time invested (so far) in both builds.  (Well, if you discount tail
cases like running out of disk space.)


Robert Huff

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Re: which pkg repository with 9.1

2013-02-04 Thread Joseph A. Nagy, Jr

On 02/04/13 13:03, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:

On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 19:53:40 +0100
mhca12 mhc...@gmail.com wrote:


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:48 PM, mhca12 wrote:

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:31 PM, mhca12 wrote:

I have just installed 9.1 amd64 on a test machine and wanted
to install rsync. Is pkgng the right choice and if so is there
a handy guide how to get started or should I use pkg_add -r?

Is this any different for i386? It used to be that there's
no i386 pkgng repository.


I ran pkg and it fetched and setup pkgng. That was easy.


Is it possible that the November 2012 security incident means
there's still no installable packaged via pkg-install?
I was going to install rsync.


I believe it is still the case that there is no official package
repository. I've gone to using poudriere to maintain a local pkgng
repository. Once set up (not too hard) it's remarkably painless.



I really think a message needs to go out on the announce list (as well 
as ports@ and questions@, others as appropriate) about the fact there is 
no official pkg repo at the moment. I'm constantly seeing emails about 
this on this list.

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Re: which pkg repository with 9.1

2013-02-04 Thread Joshua Isom

On 2/4/2013 8:34 PM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:


I really think a message needs to go out on the announce list (as well
as ports@ and questions@, others as appropriate) about the fact there is
no official pkg repo at the moment. I'm constantly seeing emails about
this on this list.


I changed to pkgng a couple weeks ago before realizing the Security 
Incident was holding up binary ports.  I used to install from source 
most of the time, and updates seemed to be required to be from source. 
But now it's just from source or nothing.  I want pkgng to help deal 
with some of the cruft that ends up occurring when installing ports that 
have a lot of dependencies.


What's really annoying to me is that a clean install cluster, so 
presumably secure, could probably rebuild the whole ports tree in the 
time it's taken to get something available.

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Re: which pkg repository with 9.1

2013-02-04 Thread Joseph A. Nagy, Jr

On 02/04/13 20:55, Joshua Isom wrote:

On 2/4/2013 8:34 PM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:


I really think a message needs to go out on the announce list (as well
as ports@ and questions@, others as appropriate) about the fact there is
no official pkg repo at the moment. I'm constantly seeing emails about
this on this list.


I changed to pkgng a couple weeks ago before realizing the Security
Incident was holding up binary ports.  I used to install from source
most of the time, and updates seemed to be required to be from source.
But now it's just from source or nothing.  I want pkgng to help deal
with some of the cruft that ends up occurring when installing ports that
have a lot of dependencies.

What's really annoying to me is that a clean install cluster, so
presumably secure, could probably rebuild the whole ports tree in the
time it's taken to get something available.


I've almost always built from source since I switched to FreeBSD (I 
sometimes, during the initial installation, used pkgs), it's longer but 
more reliable.


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Re: which pkg repository with 9.1

2013-02-04 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 21:04:40 -0600, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
 I've almost always built from source since I switched to FreeBSD (I 
 sometimes, during the initial installation, used pkgs), it's longer but 
 more reliable.

I'm also doing this since I have sufficient CPU and RAM. :-)

However, for systems that are low on capacity, using precompiled
packages is a really comfortable way to initially install software.
The traditional pkg_add -r stuff was possible for most of the
available software with two exceptions:

1. software that needed compile-time options to make them work as
   intended (e. g. mplayer with mencoder and all codecs),

2. software that had no packages (e. g. german OpenOffice which had
   a pkg_add -r de-openoffice way in the past).

With pkgng and the new pkg command set, not just installing would
be possible (as known from pkg_add), but also updating (like with
freebsd-update, but for ports). At the moment, this functionality
is not provided, but it should become possible in the future,
obsoleting the traditional pkg_* tools, while the use of ports,
either with the bare make framework (make update, relying on
SVN instead of CVS, make install, make deinstall and so on) or
by the use of a port management tool (like portmaster) will of
course still be possible. I know even pkgng can't deal with the
two exceptions mentioned above, but it will add the binary updating
and therefor make system _and_ software updates easier, especially
when you're low on resources. It's also a welcome means if you
need to perform an offline installation, i. e. you don't have
Internet connection to obtain binary packages or sources, but
you can install from optical media instead.

The only problem I see (or which I hope not to see) is the
upcoming Linuxism of repositories. Plural: many of them. By
the use of the traditional pkg_* tools and the make framework
for ports, you don't have to deal with selecting repositories.
The correct files will be served. I hope there won't be a situation
in the future where arbitrary or contradicting repositories
free and non-free, vendor-provided, private, development,
different in priority and content, will be required to be chosen
by the user just to make basic things work (again).

For those who have ever tried to explain repositories to a
novice user in regards of a Linux distributions: You probably
know what I'm talking about. :-)




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Re: which pkg repository with 9.1

2013-02-04 Thread Bas Smeelen

On 02/05/13 04:22, Polytropon wrote:

On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 21:04:40 -0600, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:

I've almost always built from source since I switched to FreeBSD (I
sometimes, during the initial installation, used pkgs), it's longer but
more reliable.


There was a message on the stable list
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2013-February/072037.html

I use poudriere at the moment which works very well


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