Re: reliable tape units
On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 09:42:34 +1100 Rowdy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am really surprised its only last 3 years... but then, I don't know what to expect. I have an HP DDS-2 DAT drive that was refurbished, used in an HP I can tell you what NOT to get. Someone forced Dell Powervaults down my throat here at work. They blow. Have had two replaced so far in less than a month -- 122T's. re, - Matthew Bettinger System Administrator Champion Elevators, Inc Houston, Texas 77061 713.640.8500 - KeyID: 68F0AAC4 Key Fingerprint: 096F 98AE 74FB 984B 2134 5C41 0E94 CF91 68F0 AAC4 Public Key: http://www.championelevators.com/~mbettinger/pub_key.asc ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: vpn options advice
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:58:46 -0500 Jeanne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have any thoughts or options I could present? A hardware router that they could use at home that might work with a bsd vpn server on the other end? Unfortunately, installing bsd gateways in their homes just isn't an option. PIX point to point like a 515 (depending on how many users) on corp side and an 501 on the users home net. Much easier, but more cost involved. Then again, I'd rather support an pix vpn solution than an bsd kludge. re, - Matthew Bettinger System Administrator Champion Elevators, Inc Houston, Texas 77061 713.640.8500 - KeyID: 68F0AAC4 Key Fingerprint: 096F 98AE 74FB 984B 2134 5C41 0E94 CF91 68F0 AAC4 Public Key: http://www.championelevators.com/~mbettinger/pub_key.asc ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: messenger: console based
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:24:28 + (GMT) noir noir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for a Yahoo! or MSN Messenger which would work from the console. try 'naim' from ports. It's ICQ but may do the others... -mb ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
nsmbrc documentation
Hello, Can someone shed some light on how to use .nsmbrc to automount windows shares for a regular user? Apparantly there is supposed to be a man (5) page but I can't find it. I do see the example in /usr/local/share/examples/smbfs. Anyway, is it possible to have a normal user mount the windows shares in their ~/.nsmbrc file without having root access or am I going to have to use sudo without authentication for the mount_smbfs command? Also, is there a way to test a global nsmb.conf file without rebooting the server? My last questions is: Where do I put the global file? /usr/local/etc or /etc ? I'm pretty sure I saw something in a bugs list where it was supposed to be put in /etc and not /usr/local/etc. Since I don't know of a way to test my global file short of a reboot I really can't verify this. Thanks! - Matthew Bettinger System Administrator Champion Elevators, Inc Houston, Texas 77061 713.640.8500 - KeyID: 68F0AAC4 Key Fingerprint: 096F 98AE 74FB 984B 2134 5C41 0E94 CF91 68F0 AAC4 Public Key: http://www.championelevators.com/~mbettinger/pub_key.asc ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [possibly OT]: anyone attempt running IBm DB2 for Linux, under emulation on FreeBSD
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:58:15 + Nathan Vidican [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They have recently bought into an application software which requires IBM's DB2 database back-end; it has been proposed that they install a second server running linux explicitly for the purpose of running IBM's DB2 for Linux. The key question now being 'Will IBM support DB2 running on FreeBSD' The only experience I have with IBM is Unidata... and I doubt you would get any support for DB2 on bsd. Not related in any means however I'd never install somehting like that without knowing it would be supported by the vendor. Something to think about. ;-) re, - Matthew Bettinger System Administrator Champion Elevators, Inc Houston, Texas 77061 713.640.8500 - KeyID: 68F0AAC4 Key Fingerprint: 096F 98AE 74FB 984B 2134 5C41 0E94 CF91 68F0 AAC4 Public Key: http://www.championelevators.com/~mbettinger/pub_key.asc ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD SPAM
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:42:11 -0300 (ART) Fernando Gleiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, Joseph Koenig wrote: I know this is an issue that comes up a lot, but I wanted to get an opinion from some people on the list. We, along with everyone else, have TONS of SPAM hit our server. Unfortunately, we haven't found any good way to reduce it. We're using ORDB and SpamCop, but neither are really doing the job. We're a small small company (7 employees) with about 100 mailboxes on the server. We don't mind paying for a service that works, but we are certainly on a tight budget. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Currently, we're using Sendmail, although we're considering (and testing) a switch to PostFix. TIA for any advice, You might want to consider investigating a hardware appliance. Two that come to mind is Borderware MailXtreme and Bluecat Networks Meridius. re, - Matthew Bettinger System Administrator Champion Elevators, Inc Houston, Texas 77061 713.640.8500 - KeyID: 68F0AAC4 Key Fingerprint: 096F 98AE 74FB 984B 2134 5C41 0E94 CF91 68F0 AAC4 Public Key: http://www.championelevators.com/~mbettinger/pub_key.asc ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD as router - performance vs hardware routers
On Thursday 14 August 2003 12:33 pm, J. Seth Henry wrote: Wow, I think you guys have convinced me. I have had very good luck with FreeBSD on an 933MHz EPIA board. It has performed well, and remained stable for several months now. Nary a single lockup, even under load (though it doesn't like floating point math much - [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashes immediately) 933??? That's way over kill. Heck my best intel machine at the house is an 750. You'd be wasting that machine if you ask me. The 933 would come in handy if you plan on cvsing and building the source. Since my router is onlyan p133 I just reformat the box every month or so and install from floppies over the net and then scp my conf files back over and i'm back up. Time to do this: ~45 mins ? One quick question, though - how much RAM should I install in this beast? I have a 65Mb DIMM laying around, but I could probably pull some 128's from my Windows box if need be. 65 is plenty!! -- Matthew Bettinger System Administrator Champion Elevators, Inc. Houston, Texas 77061 713.640.8500 -- Key fingerprint = 1510 343D 41A3 5D55 D3AF 1ED7 72CD 7022 A70A 39F4 http://championelevators.com/~mbettinger/pubkey.htm ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD as router - performance vs hardware routers
On Thursday 14 August 2003 09:50 am, Kenneth Culver wrote: What I'm not sure about is performance. Has anyone built a cable modem gateway router using FreeBSD and low-end hardware like this? If so, what were your results? I'm using openbsd now but have ran freebsd as a router with minimal hardware. P133 32 megs of ram. 30 dollar box. 4 network cards. Based on prior discussions regarding minimal hardware, I think the main thing to pay attention to is the type and brand of network cards you are going to be using. I would stay away from those interrupter from hell rl0 cards. You won't be able to budge a 30-40 dollar pentium box with 32 or more megs of ram with your cable modem connection. -- Matthew Bettinger System Administrator Champion Elevators, Inc. Houston, Texas 77061 713.640.8500 -- Key fingerprint = 1510 343D 41A3 5D55 D3AF 1ED7 72CD 7022 A70A 39F4 http://championelevators.com/~mbettinger/pubkey.htm ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Monitoring tool
On Thursday 14 August 2003 08:23 am, Ben Dover wrote: I am looking for a monitoring tool that will notify my cell phone when my FreeBSD box is down or off line. It could be as simple as an application that runs on another FreeBSD box or Win box and pings the server and when it doesn't respond to pings it sends and alert to my cell phone. I'm sure there are more sophisticated programs out there to alert server status and I would be interested in those too but something basic to get started would be fine. Thanks We run swatch over here. Works well. /usr/ports/security/swatch regards, -- Matthew Bettinger System Administrator Champion Elevators, Inc. Houston, Texas 77061 713.640.8500 -- Key fingerprint = 1510 343D 41A3 5D55 D3AF 1ED7 72CD 7022 A70A 39F4 http://championelevators.com/~mbettinger/pubkey.htm ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adaptec 2400A update
On Thursday 31 July 2003 02:04 pm, Kung Foo Ham[p]?ster wrote: I also have an Adaptec 2400A RAID controller and have problems when my system seems to be having a lot of random hard disk accesses. That sucks. I've given up on that card. Running an HP netraid card no problems.Anyone want to buy an 2400A ? ;-) -- Matthew Bettinger System Administrator Champion Elevators, Inc. Houston, Texas 77061 713.640.8500 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID HW
On Tuesday 29 July 2003 08:17 am, Peter Elsner wrote: I use the 3-Ware Escalade IDE RAID card. It's inexpensive, and works right out of the box. So far have not had any problems with it in 20 different servers for the past 2 years. Peter Elsner I have had HELL with an adaptec 2400A card. I know of another user on this list who also had difficulties with this particular card. I wouldn't wish the pain this card has given me on my worst enemy. ;-) At 07:55 AM 7/29/2003 +0200, you wrote: Hello there, please, what RAID controller for ATA HDDs should I use in my new fileserver. There will be run 4.8 with samba (for Win clients) and netatalk (for Mac clients). I'm looking for some, which are officialy supported by FreeBSD, without any special requirements. I'd like to use RAID 5, if possible. Thanks for all recomendations. Peter Rosa -- Matthew Bettinger System Administrator Champion Elevators, Inc. Houston, Texas 77061 713.640.8500 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dump from cron job, need to change tape
On Monday 21 July 2003 02:02 pm, Mike Maltese wrote: I am running a DDS2 tape drive and trying to backup around 12GB. The tape runs to the end, issues the end of tape, and then dump fails. I would like to be able to change the tape and get a backup. I use bacula for my home lan and fbackup on hpux. bacula uses a mysql database to keep track of your tapes (which I thought was very cool) -- Matthew Bettinger System Administrator Champion Elevators, Inc. Houston, Texas 77061 713.640.8500 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT Re: mozilla stalls
On Thursday 03 July 2003 10:44 am, Matt Heath wrote: I've had a recurring issue with Mozilla and Firebird (was Phoenix): The browsers will stall in a seemingly non-deterministic fashion. I get that too My mozilla will hang for a few minutes when I enter a url in the location bar. If I fire it up and click on the link that are already there it's fine. The moment I try to type a new URL in the bar it just hangs. I am using the nvidia drivers on bsd 4.8. Never had a problem (that I can recall) until I installed the nvidia drivers.. could be wrong tho. -- Matthew Bettinger System Administrator Champion Elevators, Inc. Houston, Texas 77061 713.640.8500 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dell Perc3 raid cards
Hello, We are looking for a dell box to run a small (MySQL) database on and was curious as to how well the raid card support is in these newer machines. A box that would meet our needs would be something along the lines of a power edge 1650. These come with PERC3-DI,128MB Battery Backed Cache RAID cards. Does anyone have an experience using these cards with bsd and, actually replacing a disk (raid 5) using the raid utilis that come with the 4.8 branch of BSD ? Regards, -- Matthew Bettinger System Administrator Champion Elevators, Inc. Houston, Texas 77061 713.640.8500 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
bsd video streaming
Hello, Does anyone know off hand if there is a port that can assist in streaming mpeg or asf files from a web page (apache) ? bsd version 4.7. regards, -- Matthew Bettinger System Administrator Champion Elevators, Inc. Houston, Texas 77061 713.640.8500 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
#!sh grep and move files
Hello, I am trying to find the best way to search through several thousand files and move some to a different directory. The files are all prefixed with LB. Like, LBX99.DAT141683. These are data transactions and contain one line. The lines i am trying to search for all begin with 1~TA~ (standing for timeand attendance labor transactions) I've tried #!/usr/bin/sh for x in `find /dir -type f -exec grep '1~TA' [] \;` do mv $x /newdir done There seems to be something i am missing like some output redirection or an ls listing... probably alot more. I know this can be done in a one liner somehow but I need it to be executed from cron. Thanks for any assistance. Matt ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reccomended printers
On Thursday 09 January 2003 05:03 pm, BSD baby wrote: I am looking to buy a laser printer for $500 but need some reccomendations on which one is decent for home/office use. I had seen the HP 1200, it looks ok, will it last? Yes and it works VERY well with FreeBSD. It handles PostScript files directly. No GhostScript needed. I print to 1200's 4si's 5si's from bsd. The 4si's and 5si's are probably THE most durable printer that I have ever seen. They are rather big and heavy but they can push alot of paper. Make sure to inquire about the last time the fuser had been replaced before you purchase one. You can purchase maint. kits for around 150 bux. That cheap printer might end up costing you another 150 bux if you aren't careful. Fusers get scratched or go bad but it's nice to at least have a general idea when the next replacement is due. Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
adaptec 2400A revisited.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, Reinstalled FreeBSD on an ASUS K7V 133 with 6 60 gig drives and an adaptec 2400A raid card. This has got to bethe pickiest bios I have ever come across. Anyway I have the card doing raid 5 and the device is showing up and it's appearing as 175+ gigs under it's own mount point. Everything appeared to be ok until I put it under some very heavy loads. The machine has 768 megs of ram 1024 megs of swap and GENERIC kernel. BSD is on it's own disk and I proceeded to build world while cp'ing some very large directories to the raided disks. On top of that I threw in a few large untar and gunzips on the raided drives . After a while the machine locked up. Where should I look to try to hunt down the problem of the machine locking up nder heavy loads? Are there any log files created that would lead me to believe it ran out of memory? Right now I can't do much with the machine until I know exactly why it locked up. Thank you in advance. Matthew Bettinger Champion Elevators, Inc. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+B3lsXG7+MmNwciURAmvdAKCZCOSnMo/y0akO4PjUnOk3yJjTrgCgr9iS QHhrFnz5G3V4Dn8zG6Z4M0c= =Nn+c -END PGP SIGNATURE- public_key.asc Description: application/pgp-keys
Re: RAID + adaptec 2400A
On Sunday 15 December 2002 05:16 am, Matthew Seaman wrote: On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 12:27:49AM -0600, mattb wrote: The disc loads up and I can get to the kernel configuration menu...7 conflicts. I take care of the conflicts and the machine continues to load the kernel.. loads up asr0 ok. The machine then attempts to mount root from /dev/fd0c for some reason. When it can't mount /dev/fd0c it drops into an mountroot prompt and I haven't been ableto get past this. Still having some major issues trying to get this box installed. Hmmm... That's not necessarily a problem with the raid card as such. The 'root' that the system is trying to mount at that point is the filesystem on the CDRom drive. Do you see any mention of your CD drive in the boot messages? Nb. the fact that the BIOS can see the CD well enough for it to boot the kernel from it in no way precludes FreeBSD from being unable to see the device well enough to mount a filesystem from it... I went into SMOR (cntrl-A) at bootup and configured the drives on the raid card as RAID-0 and actually got OpenBSD FloppyB to boot and configure the disks after disabling DMA mode. I'd prefer to use FreeBSD. A quick'n'dirty way to get around the problem is to grab the bootable floppy images and build install floppies (Handbook, section 2.2.7 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-pre.html) and use those to do a network install. Using the same configuration which worked with OpenBSD I booted off of the 4.7 cd and it still attempts to mount root file system from /dev/fd0c. I tried booting off of the cdrom and get all the way to kernel configuration mode, remove the 7 conflicting devices and hit Q. The kernel proceeds to load and I can see the asr0 device and my cdrom device and my floppy device. It's always trying to mount root on /dev/fd0c for some strange reason. If I disable the floppy in the bios and remove it from the kernel I still can't get anywhere. I'm pretty much at a loss now. If anyone knows how to get this card working in FreeBSD or linux I would appreciate it. It's going back to Windows 2000 Advanced Server if I can't get this. Thanks for any assistance. Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: RAID + adaptec 2400A
On Sunday 15 December 2002 05:16 am, Matthew Seaman wrote: On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 12:27:49AM -0600, mattb wrote: The disc loads up and I can get to the kernel configuration menu...7 conflicts. I take care of the conflicts and the machine continues to load the kernel.. loads up asr0 ok. The machine then attempts to mount root from /dev/fd0c for some reason. When it can't mount /dev/fd0c it drops into an mountroot prompt and I haven't been ableto get past this. Booting from FreeBSD 4.7 floppies yields the error: init not found in path :/sbin/init This happens after the kernel config screen when the kernel continues to load. Booting from cdrom yields the error: fd0c: hard error reading fsbn 16 of 16-31 (no status) root mount failed:5 mountroot Is there possibly something in the bios that needs to be turned on or turned off? regards, Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
crontab -e
Hello, Running FreeBSD 4.6 and having some problems with a crontab. I have a script I want to execute every 15 minutes. When I add the entry (as root) crontab -e and insert this line: */15* * * * root /usr/libexec/rs2 /var/log/rs.log I get an error when trying to :wq out of crontab. /tmp/crontab.UqSmFBVMw3: 4 lines, 89 characters. crontab: installing new crontab /tmp/crontab.UqSmFBVMw3:2: bad day-of-month crontab: errors in crontab file, can't install Do you want to retry the same edit? n crontab: edits left in /tmp/crontab.UqSmFBVMw3 Thanks for any insight. Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: crontab -e
Thanks all. By the way now I'm getting some more errors Check this out. Dec 5 13:05:00 tester /usr/sbin/cron[26639]: getting vmemoryuse resource limit: Invalid argument Dec 5 13:05:00 tester /usr/sbin/cron[26643]: getting vmemoryuse resource limit: Invalid argument Dec 5 13:05:00 tester /usr/sbin/cron[26643]: getting vmemoryuse resource limit: Invalid argument I looked in sysctl -a for vmemoryuse but found none. Is there a way I can increase this limit? Thanks again. Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
simple find command
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I am having a bit of trouble with the find command. I am a novice in its use so maybe someone can help me out here. I have a list of files (hundreds) in directory . and need to search through and delete every file that contains the word foo. Some of my failed attemps... find . -exec grep -i foo -ok -delete {} \; find . -exec grep -l 'foo' -ok -delete {}\; find . -exec grep foo {}\; | xargs rm Thanks for any help. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9yVBIXG7+MmNwciURAr1VAKCJWZF87EfqAk8hLdnj/prlZwpVDwCbBrAt Lq+3Zv2Ocd4EmxAXfdhp1OY= =HNAV -END PGP SIGNATURE- To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
OT sed help
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I know this is off topic however I hope someone can help. I have a flat file that I need to import into a database. The first field of the file is a part number which cannot exceed more than 8 characters. Does anyone know how I can use sed to count the characters in the first field and if there are more than 8 print out a list? Thank you. Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9ieFpXG7+MmNwciURAqRxAJsES932AbaFG0w4+1oGU+K6reogEwCgoEdx ZEf/Vi3j8vq8HbO4t7gSAqY= =taxV -END PGP SIGNATURE- To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Samba Server rebooting --Long
- the number indicates how many units to allocate. pseudo-device loop# Network loopback pseudo-device ether # Ethernet support #pseudo-device sl 1 # Kernel SLIP #pseudo-device ppp 1 # Kernel PPP #pseudo-device tun # Packet tunnel. pseudo-device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) pseudo-device md # Memory disks #pseudo-device gif # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling #pseudo-device faith 1 # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) # The `bpf' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! pseudo-device bpf #Berkeley packet filter # USB support #device uhci# UHCI PCI-USB interface #device ohci# OHCI PCI-USB interface #device usb # USB Bus (required) #device ugen# Generic #device uhid# Human Interface Devices #device ukbd# Keyboard #device ulpt# Printer #device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da #device ums # Mouse #device uscanner# Scanners #device urio# Diamond Rio MP3 Player # USB Ethernet, requires mii #device aue # ADMtek USB ethernet #device cue # CATC USB ethernet #device kue # Kawasaki LSI USB ethernet === The samba machine has around 300 users connected to it at any given time. Thanks for any help. This is really starting to become a problem. Matthew Bettinger -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9QGKALrc2qBYRpkgRAqHUAJ46LfwN/gyA6rfhIiJeVfzf09HKIgCdEbb7 eiHsALgCOt5iICtgM985csA= =5RCZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message