Re: Indiana goes to DST
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Apr 2, 2006, at 2:37 PM, hackmiester / Hunter Fuller wrote: On Tuesday 28 March 2006 09:58, Jacob S wrote: On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:19:21 -0500 DAve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not ever having had to configure DST before, any advice on a work around since most OSes provide no DST for my timezone? While we're on this subject, what do we do when DST is extended? I am sure that an update between now and next Spring will bring us updated timezones, so as long as you never update your machine will you be SOL, otherwise you will be ok Chad Yes I beleive that would be correct. The link provided earlier by Dave McCammon was for complete new TZ data. The update is easy and worked just fine for my FreeBSD, NetBSD. Unpacking the new zone files and running make, make install, then either running tzsetup or linking your appropriate zone file to /etc/localtime. Solaris boxes required reading the man pages on zic. So new zone files should be available when the time comes. DAve -- This message was checked by forty monkeys and found to not contain any SPAM whatsoever. Your monkeys may vary ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Indiana goes to DST
On Tuesday 28 March 2006 09:58, Jacob S wrote: On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:19:21 -0500 DAve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not ever having had to configure DST before, any advice on a work around since most OSes provide no DST for my timezone? While we're on this subject, what do we do when DST is extended? Sure. Just pick a city in the Eastern Timezone that is _not_in Indiana. Then it will automatically follow DST at the appropriate time of year. Just about any city on the East Coast should do it. tzsetup doesn't state whether DST will be set. Is it just as simple as #date -d dst? Not sure there, sorry. HTH, Jacob -- --hackmiester Walk a mile in my shoes and you will be a mile away in a new pair of shoes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFD/yYl3ApzN91C7BcRAoVVAJ97uhjh30nQ4hd9bQ90gJqiwsLEfgCeKSrg bVfqEeJ09WhO6Y51WHEHb6o= =VTUd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: Geek Code v3.1 (PHP) GCS/CM/E/IT d-@ s: a- C++$ UBLS*$ P+ L+++$ E- W++$ !N-- !o+ K-- !w-- !O- M++$ V-- PS@ PE@ Y--? PGP++ !t--- 5--? !X-- !R-- tv-- b+ DI++ D++ G+ e h r+++ z --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- Quick contact info: Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Large files/spam: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GTalk:hackmiester/AIM:hackmiester1337/Y!:hackm1ester/IRC:irc.7sinz.net/7sinz pgpWrAuOryDQ3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Indiana goes to DST
On Apr 2, 2006, at 2:37 PM, hackmiester / Hunter Fuller wrote: On Tuesday 28 March 2006 09:58, Jacob S wrote: On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:19:21 -0500 DAve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not ever having had to configure DST before, any advice on a work around since most OSes provide no DST for my timezone? While we're on this subject, what do we do when DST is extended? I am sure that an update between now and next Spring will bring us updated timezones, so as long as you never update your machine will you be SOL, otherwise you will be ok Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Indiana goes to DST
DAve wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:08 AM 3/28/2006, you wrote: Selections 5 through 8 will no longer be valid in April. The list of counties changed. More counties than #6, #7, #8 are going to Central TZ, one county is going with Commerce Time, and item #5 (most locations) is switching to DST. Crikeys! When is Indiana just gonna realize they are far enough west, they SHOULD all be Central time?! I grew up in western Ohio, and I remember it was light till nearly 11pm at the solstice. -Wayne Sorry but after 20+ years of debate every session, it was just cheaper to change timezones, change DST, change anything. Just end the argument. Somehow it came about that changing to DST would save millions of dollars a year and bring in billions in additional income to the state. Not sure how, no one ever answered that question. But looking at the docs for Exchange server and LookOut it would seem that PC support companies are going to make a fortune ;^) DAve And I've heard rumor -- haven't verified it yet -- that next year the U.S. is going to expand DST to the 2nd Sunday in March through the 1st Sunday in November. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Indiana goes to DST
On Apr 1, 2006, at 10:06 AM, John wrote: And I've heard rumor -- haven't verified it yet -- that next year the U.S. is going to expand DST to the 2nd Sunday in March through the 1st Sunday in November. YES, that is what they announced on the radio commemorating the last year of changing in April Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Indiana goes to DST
On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Apr 1, 2006, at 10:06 AM, John wrote: And I've heard rumor -- haven't verified it yet -- that next year the U.S. is going to expand DST to the 2nd Sunday in March through the 1st Sunday in November. YES, that is what they announced on the radio commemorating the last year of changing in April See http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/b.html BTW, many people are mistaken in their feelings :^) -- Chris Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** [ Busy Expunging | ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Indiana goes to DST
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:08:41 -0500 From: DAve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Indiana goes to DST To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed x x 2 Eastern Time - Michigan - most locations x x 3 Eastern Time - Kentucky - Louisville area x x 4 Eastern Time - Kentucky - Wayne County x x 5 Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - most locations x x 6 Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - Crawford County x x 7 Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - Starke County x x 8 Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - Switzerland County Selections 5 through 8 will no longer be valid in April. The list of counties changed. More counties than #6, #7, #8 are going to Central TZ, one county is going with Commerce Time, and item #5 (most locations) is switching to DST. So I must setup DST manually, or select to #1. I think. DAve That, or just move. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Indiana goes to DST
On 3/28/06, Jacob S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:19:21 -0500 DAve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not ever having had to configure DST before, any advice on a work around since most OSes provide no DST for my timezone? Sure. Just pick a city in the Eastern Timezone that is _not_in Indiana. Then it will automatically follow DST at the appropriate time of year. Just about any city on the East Coast should do it. For the archive: that's not really the best answer. The timezone file contains much more than just the date that time changes this year. It also contains a history of when it changed in past years, so that file time displays and time interval calculations will be correct. The correct answer _should_ be to install the timezone file for your part of Indiana and let it do the right thing. If it is incorrect, either you need an updated TZ file, or you need to contact the maintainers of the file to get them to correct it. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Indiana goes to DST
Not ever having had to configure DST before, any advice on a work around since most OSes provide no DST for my timezone? tzsetup doesn't state whether DST will be set. Is it just as simple as #date -d dst? Thanks, DAve -- This message was checked by forty monkeys and found to not contain any SPAM whatsoever. Your monkeys may vary ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Indiana goes to DST
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:19:21 -0500 DAve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not ever having had to configure DST before, any advice on a work around since most OSes provide no DST for my timezone? Sure. Just pick a city in the Eastern Timezone that is _not_in Indiana. Then it will automatically follow DST at the appropriate time of year. Just about any city on the East Coast should do it. tzsetup doesn't state whether DST will be set. Is it just as simple as #date -d dst? Not sure there, sorry. HTH, Jacob -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEKV0hkpJ43hY3cTURAq10AKDmJ81hRUV43+ErCfjz3OE8ISymeQCghCkn SwmRdPtYgOm69fY7zZp5Ytg= =2zWI -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Indiana goes to DST
DAve wrote: Not ever having had to configure DST before, any advice on a work around since most OSes provide no DST for my timezone? You underestimate the true power of this operating system. :-) Either change the /etc/localtime symlink to point to the right timezone file, or run /stand/sysinstall, choose Configure for post-install config, select Time Zone, and you'll end up being prompted with these choices: x x 1 Eastern Time x x 2 Eastern Time - Michigan - most locations x x 3 Eastern Time - Kentucky - Louisville area x x 4 Eastern Time - Kentucky - Wayne County x x 5 Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - most locations x x 6 Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - Crawford County x x 7 Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - Starke County x x 8 Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - Switzerland County ...which will do the same thing. -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Indiana goes to DST
Chuck Swiger wrote: DAve wrote: Not ever having had to configure DST before, any advice on a work around since most OSes provide no DST for my timezone? You underestimate the true power of this operating system. :-) Nah, I underestimated the power of our state legislature 8^o Either change the /etc/localtime symlink to point to the right timezone file, or run /stand/sysinstall, choose Configure for post-install config, select Time Zone, and you'll end up being prompted with these choices: x x 1 Eastern Time x x 2 Eastern Time - Michigan - most locations x x 3 Eastern Time - Kentucky - Louisville area x x 4 Eastern Time - Kentucky - Wayne County x x 5 Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - most locations x x 6 Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - Crawford County x x 7 Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - Starke County x x 8 Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - Switzerland County ...which will do the same thing. Selections 5 through 8 will no longer be valid in April. The list of counties changed. More counties than #6, #7, #8 are going to Central TZ, one county is going with Commerce Time, and item #5 (most locations) is switching to DST. So I must setup DST manually, or select to #1. I think. DAve -- This message was checked by forty monkeys and found to not contain any SPAM whatsoever. Your monkeys may vary ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Indiana goes to DST
Jacob S wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:19:21 -0500 DAve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not ever having had to configure DST before, any advice on a work around since most OSes provide no DST for my timezone? Sure. Just pick a city in the Eastern Timezone that is _not_in Indiana. Then it will automatically follow DST at the appropriate time of year. Just about any city on the East Coast should do it. That was my first thought. I prefer the KISS method whenever possible. Just wanted to be certain there wasn't anything else I should be doing. Thanks, DAve tzsetup doesn't state whether DST will be set. Is it just as simple as #date -d dst? Not sure there, sorry. HTH, Jacob -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEKV0hkpJ43hY3cTURAq10AKDmJ81hRUV43+ErCfjz3OE8ISymeQCghCkn SwmRdPtYgOm69fY7zZp5Ytg= =2zWI -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was checked by forty monkeys and found to not contain any SPAM whatsoever. Your monkeys may vary ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Indiana goes to DST
--- DAve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chuck Swiger wrote: DAve wrote: Not ever having had to configure DST before, any advice on a work around since most OSes provide no DST for my timezone? You underestimate the true power of this operating system. :-) Nah, I underestimated the power of our state legislature 8^o Either change the /etc/localtime symlink to point to the right timezone file, or run /stand/sysinstall, choose Configure for post-install config, select Time Zone, and you'll end up being prompted with these choices: x x 1 Eastern Time x x 2 Eastern Time - Michigan - most locations x x 3 Eastern Time - Kentucky - Louisville area x x 4 Eastern Time - Kentucky - Wayne County x x 5 Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - most locations x x 6 Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - Crawford County x x 7 Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - Starke County x x 8 Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - Switzerland County ...which will do the same thing. Selections 5 through 8 will no longer be valid in April. The list of counties changed. More counties than #6, #7, #8 are going to Central TZ, one county is going with Commerce Time, and item #5 (most locations) is switching to DST. So I must setup DST manually, or select to #1. I think. Take a look at /usr/src/share/zoneinfo/northamerica, particularly for Indianapolis. It looks like, at least on a 6-Stable system(March 7), that if you use the Indianapolis choice you will get the DST change. It(the 6-stable zoneinfo file) isn't as new as the one obtained from the link below but the change for Indianapolis looks the same. This has instructions for updating zone file info. https://engineering.purdue.edu/ECN/Resources/KnowledgeBase/Docs/20060128100824 I had to use this on some 4.11-stable systems that I have in production. If you find any discrepancies in the above, please let me know. Thanks. Dave __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Indiana goes to DST
At 11:08 AM 3/28/2006, you wrote: Selections 5 through 8 will no longer be valid in April. The list of counties changed. More counties than #6, #7, #8 are going to Central TZ, one county is going with Commerce Time, and item #5 (most locations) is switching to DST. Crikeys! When is Indiana just gonna realize they are far enough west, they SHOULD all be Central time?! I grew up in western Ohio, and I remember it was light till nearly 11pm at the solstice. -Wayne ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Indiana goes to DST
Dave McCammon wrote: Take a look at /usr/src/share/zoneinfo/northamerica, particularly for Indianapolis. It looks like, at least on a 6-Stable system(March 7), that if you use the Indianapolis choice you will get the DST change. It(the 6-stable zoneinfo file) isn't as new as the one obtained from the link below but the change for Indianapolis looks the same. This has instructions for updating zone file info. https://engineering.purdue.edu/ECN/Resources/KnowledgeBase/Docs/20060128100824 I had to use this on some 4.11-stable systems that I have in production. If you find any discrepancies in the above, please let me know. An excellent link, thank you very much. That will ensure my file times are correctly calculated as well. DAve -- This message was checked by forty monkeys and found to not contain any SPAM whatsoever. Your monkeys may vary ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Indiana goes to DST
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:08 AM 3/28/2006, you wrote: Selections 5 through 8 will no longer be valid in April. The list of counties changed. More counties than #6, #7, #8 are going to Central TZ, one county is going with Commerce Time, and item #5 (most locations) is switching to DST. Crikeys! When is Indiana just gonna realize they are far enough west, they SHOULD all be Central time?! I grew up in western Ohio, and I remember it was light till nearly 11pm at the solstice. -Wayne Sorry but after 20+ years of debate every session, it was just cheaper to change timezones, change DST, change anything. Just end the argument. Somehow it came about that changing to DST would save millions of dollars a year and bring in billions in additional income to the state. Not sure how, no one ever answered that question. But looking at the docs for Exchange server and LookOut it would seem that PC support companies are going to make a fortune ;^) DAve -- This message was checked by forty monkeys and found to not contain any SPAM whatsoever. Your monkeys may vary ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Indiana goes to DST
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DAve Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Indiana goes to DST Dave McCammon wrote: Take a look at /usr/src/share/zoneinfo/northamerica, particularly for Indianapolis. It looks like, at least on a 6-Stable system(March 7), that if you use the Indianapolis choice you will get the DST change. It(the 6-stable zoneinfo file) isn't as new as the one obtained from the link below but the change for Indianapolis looks the same. This has instructions for updating zone file info. https://engineering.purdue.edu/ECN/Resources/KnowledgeBase/Doc s/20060128100824 I had to use this on some 4.11-stable systems that I have in production. If you find any discrepancies in the above, please let me know. An excellent link, thank you very much. That will ensure my file times are correctly calculated as well. DAve -- This message was checked by forty monkeys and found to not contain any SPAM whatsoever. Your monkeys may vary It was necessary for me to run tzsetup again to reset /etc/localtime when I did a similar adjustment for the change to daylight savings rules during the Commonwealth Games here in Australia. Alternatively you could copy the appropriate zone file as follows cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/Australia/Melbourne /etc/localtime after applying the new datafile (this is the sequence I used last december) # cd /usr/src/share/zoneinfo # tar zxf tzdata2005r.tar.gz # make # make install # cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/Australia/Melbourne /etc/localtime --- The information transmitted in this e-mail is for the exclusive use of the intended addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, re-transmission, dissemination or other use of it, or the taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons and/or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please inform the sender and/or addressee immediately and delete the material. E-mails may not be secure, may contain computer viruses and may be corrupted in transmission. Please carefully check this e-mail (and any attachment) accordingly. No warranties are given and no liability is accepted for any loss or damage caused by such matters. --- ***This Email has been scanned for Viruses by MailMarshal.*** ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
