subject:"Installation"

Re: Is it possible to suspend to disk with geli+Root on ZFS installation

2013-10-13 Thread Ian Smith

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:17:20 +1000, yudi v wrote:
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au wrote:
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 486, Issue 7, Message: 5
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:25:33 +0200 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:37:55PM +1000, yudi v wrote:
Hi all,

Is it possible to suspend to disk (hibernate) when using geli for
full disk
encryption.
[..]
I must reiterate, FreeBSD does not support Suspend to Disk (state S4 aka
'hibernate') on ANY platform, except - perhaps - on machines supporting
S4 in BIOS (hw.acpi.s4bios=1) which are very rarely spotted in the wild.

And even suspend to RAM doesn't work on every machine [2].

[2]: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IdeasPage#Suspend_to_disk

That page IS about Suspend to Disk - but only as a wishlist idea, as it
has been for many years. Someone did take it on as a Google SoC project
years ago, but nothing ever came of it to my knowledge.
[..]

Hi Yudi,

you haven't said what sort of machine (desktop/server/laptop) or how
long a mains power fail runtime you're after, so it's impossible to
guess what sort of size UPS you might need ..

I am looking at a APC Power-Saving Back-UPS ES 8 Outlet 700VA 230V AS
3112http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BE700G-AZtotal_watts=200tab=features,

I don't know about that model; it makes no mention of shutdown alert /
control at all, only 'some models' have a USB connector, and I couldn't
find the manual for it there. Certainly not all 'desktop' UPSes support
what's needed to communicate and shutdown cleanly, so check carefully
both the specs and that software (apcupsd or nut) supports the model.

I gather from your timestamp (and that model) that you may be in
Australia, in which case you could browse from here for the APCs:

http://www.apc.com/products/category.cfm?id=13ISOCountryCode=au

[However that page currently throws errors on the various model links of
'Element CACHE.APCTOSECOUNTRYMAPPINGS is undefined in APPLICATION.' :( ]

anyone know if apcupsd daemon works fine under FreeBSD or should I be
looking at Network UPS Tools (NUT).

I'm sure there are people here who can advise. I've only setup Eaton
and PowerWare UPSes, and those on a Debian linux server, using NUT.

cheers, Ian
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Re: Is it possible to suspend to disk with geli+Root on ZFS installation

2013-10-12 Thread yudi v

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au wrote:
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 486, Issue 7, Message: 5
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:25:33 +0200 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:37:55PM +1000, yudi v wrote:
Hi all,

Is it possible to suspend to disk (hibernate) when using geli for
full disk
encryption.

As far as I can tell, FreeBSD doesn't support suspend to disk on all
architectures. On amd64 the necessary infrastructure doesn't exist,
and on
i386 FPU state is lost, there is no multiprocessor support and some
MSRs are
not restored [1].

[1]: https://wiki.freebsd.org/SuspendResume

Roland, sorry, no; you (and that page) are talking about Suspend to RAM,
ACPI state S3. What you've said is correct re Suspend to RAM - though
some running amd64 have achieved some success on some machines lately;
most of the issues are with restoring modern video, backlight and such.

Those i386 comments don't apply to my Thinkpad T23s, which suspend and
resume, in console mode and X, flawlessly on 9.1-R and properly after
various tweaks on 8.x, 7.x and 6.x - but they're a single core P3-M ..

I must reiterate, FreeBSD does not support Suspend to Disk (state S4 aka
'hibernate') on ANY platform, except - perhaps - on machines supporting
S4 in BIOS (hw.acpi.s4bios=1) which are very rarely spotted in the wild.

And even suspend to RAM doesn't work on every machine [2].

[2]: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IdeasPage#Suspend_to_disk

That page IS about Suspend to Disk - but only as a wishlist idea, as it
has been for many years. Someone did take it on as a Google SoC project
years ago, but nothing ever came of it to my knowledge.

The last laptop I have that will properly hibernate - ie save RAM and
all state to disk and power off, then reload all RAM and state on power
return - is a 300MHz Compaq Armada 1500C (mfg '98), but using the older
APM BIOS rather than ACPI. (It's still running, 24/7/365 since 2002 :)

cheers, Ian

Thanks Ian for clarifying that FreeBSD does not support Suspend to Disk. I
just assumed all major distros supported all the suspend states. Now I am
looking for a UPS that cleanly shuts down the machine when there is a power
outage.
I am looking at a APC Power-Saving Back-UPS ES 8 Outlet 700VA 230V AS
3112http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BE700G-AZtotal_watts=200tab=features,
anyone know if apcupsd daemon works fine under FreeBSD or should I be
looking at Network UPS Tools (NUT).

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Yudi
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Re: Is it possible to suspend to disk with geli+Root on ZFS installation

2013-09-29 Thread Ian Smith

In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 486, Issue 7, Message: 5
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:25:33 +0200 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
  On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:37:55PM +1000, yudi v wrote:
   Hi all,
   
   Is it possible to suspend to disk (hibernate) when using geli for full disk
   encryption. 
  
  As far as I can tell, FreeBSD doesn't support suspend to disk on all
  architectures. On amd64 the necessary infrastructure doesn't exist, and on
  i386 FPU state is lost, there is no multiprocessor support and some MSRs are
  not restored [1].
  
  [1]: https://wiki.freebsd.org/SuspendResume

Roland, sorry, no; you (and that page) are talking about Suspend to RAM, 
ACPI state S3.  What you've said is correct re Suspend to RAM - though 
some running amd64 have achieved some success on some machines lately; 
most of the issues are with restoring modern video, backlight and such.

Those i386 comments don't apply to my Thinkpad T23s, which suspend and 
resume, in console mode and X, flawlessly on 9.1-R and properly after 
various tweaks on 8.x, 7.x and 6.x - but they're a single core P3-M ..

I must reiterate, FreeBSD does not support Suspend to Disk (state S4 aka 
'hibernate') on ANY platform, except - perhaps - on machines supporting 
S4 in BIOS (hw.acpi.s4bios=1) which are very rarely spotted in the wild.

  And even suspend to RAM doesn't work on every machine [2].
  
  [2]: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IdeasPage#Suspend_to_disk

That page IS about Suspend to Disk - but only as a wishlist idea, as it 
has been for many years.  Someone did take it on as a Google SoC project 
years ago, but nothing ever came of it to my knowledge.

The last laptop I have that will properly hibernate - ie save RAM and 
all state to disk and power off, then reload all RAM and state on power 
return - is a 300MHz Compaq Armada 1500C (mfg '98), but using the older 
APM BIOS rather than ACPI.  (It's still running, 24/7/365 since 2002 :)

cheers, Ian
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Is it possible to suspend to disk with geli+Root on ZFS installation

2013-09-28 Thread Ian Smith

In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 486, Issue 5, Message: 18
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 17:37:55 +1000 yudi v yudi@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi all,
  
  Is it possible to suspend to disk (hibernate) when using geli for full disk
  encryption. My set-up is listed below. So I am going to have an encrypted
  container and ZFS on top. There are two options for the swap with this
  set-up, either use a swap file on the ZFS pool or use a separate partition
  for swap and encrypt that. What I want to know is will either of this work
  with suspend to disk.

FreeBSD does not support suspend to disk (ACPI state S4) at all.  It's 
been some years since I last heard of any attempts to implement STD.

Suspend to RAM (state S3) works on some machines, including mine.  If it 
works on yours then I suspect use of ZFS shouldn't be an extra issue.

I haven't used ZFS, so can't comment on the rest of your message(s).

cheers, Ian
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Re: Is it possible to suspend to disk with geli+Root on ZFS installation

2013-09-28 Thread Roland Smith

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:37:55PM +1000, yudi v wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Is it possible to suspend to disk (hibernate) when using geli for full disk
 encryption. 

As far as I can tell, FreeBSD doesn't support suspend to disk on all
architectures. On amd64 the necessary infrastructure doesn't exist, and on
i386 FPU state is lost, there is no multiprocessor support and some MSRs are
not restored [1].

[1]: https://wiki.freebsd.org/SuspendResume

And even suspend to RAM doesn't work on every machine [2].

[2]: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IdeasPage#Suspend_to_disk


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Is it possible to suspend to disk with geli+Root on ZFS installation

2013-09-27 Thread yudi v

Hi all,

Is it possible to suspend to disk (hibernate) when using geli for full disk
encryption. My set-up is listed below. So I am going to have an encrypted
container and ZFS on top. There are two options for the swap with this
set-up, either use a swap file on the ZFS pool or use a separate partition
for swap and encrypt that. What I want to know is will either of this work
with suspend to disk.

Reading geli(8) http://man.freebsd.org/geli/8 man page does not say
anything about suspending to disk. Geli itself has suspend and resume
commands but looks like they cannot be used on the file system where
geliutility is stored (so the root pool cannot be suspended?)

And the onetime option does not support geli suspend.

Thank you.
Yudi

PS. I haven't received any response to the email below, if someone would
still like to answer some of the questions at the end, that would be
wonderful.


-- Forwarded message --
From: yudi v yudi@gmail.com
Date: Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 7:09 PM
Subject: geli+Root on ZFS installation
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org


Hi,

I managed to install with geli+root on ZFS setup but have a few
questions.  Most of the instructions just list commands but offer very
little explanation.
I adapted the instructions in
https://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/9.0-RELEASE  to suit my needs.

Here's the process I used for the test on a VM:

2 GB RAM
two HDDs 8 GB each mirrored - three partitions

for boot code 128 KB
for /boot 2 GB
for the rest of the system and encrypted

no key file for encrypted partitions, only passphrase
using 9.1-RELEASE
there will be no swap or handling of 4k drives, just to keep it as simple
as possible.

*Create the basic three partitions:*


gpart destroy -F da0
gpart destroy -F da1
gpart create -s gpt da0
gpart create -s gpt da1
gpart add -s 128 -t freebsd-boot da0
gpart add -s 128 -t freebsd-boot da1
gpart add -s 2G -t freebsd-zfs da0
gpart add -s 2G -t freebsd-zfs da1
gpart add -t freebsd-zfs da0
gpart add -t freebsd-zfs da1

*Write boot code to both disks:*

gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 da0
gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 da1

*Load necessary modules:*

kldload zfs
kldload geom_eli
*
Encrypt the disks with only a passphrase:*

geli init -b -s 4096 /dev/da0p3
geli init -b -s 4096 /dev/da1p3

geli attach /dev/da0p3
geli attach /dev/da1p3

*Creating ZFS datasets:*

zpool create bootdir mirror /dev/da0p2 /dev/da1p2
zpool set bootfs=bootdir bootdir

zpool create -R /mnt -O canmount=off tank mirror /dev/da0p3.eli
/dev/da1p3.eli
zfs create -o mountpoint=/tank/ROOT
zfs set mountpoint=/mnt/bootdirbootdir
zfs mount bootdir

*Then exit out of the shell and go back to bsdinstall. Install as normal
and then get back to the shell after bsdinstall finishes ( do not reboot
yet).*

Once in the newly installed system:

mount -t devfs devfs /dev   ( to use ZFS commands in the new environment)

*Add the necessary variables/settings:*

echo ‘zfs_enable=”YES”‘  /etc/rc.conf
echo ‘vfs.root.mountfrom=”zfs:tank/ROOT”‘   /boot/loader.conf
echo ‘zfs_load=”YES”‘  /boot/loader.conf
echo ‘geom_eli_load=”YES”‘  /boot/loader.conf

*Then create a zpool cache file:*

 zpool set cachefile=/boot/zfs/zpool.cache tank.

*Then move the boot folder to the second partition under the bootdir
dataset:*

mv boot bootdir/
*
Then set the final mount points:*

zfs set mountpoint=legacy tank
zfs set mountpoint=/bootdir bootdir

*then reboot.*
It should boot fine into the new system.

-  My questions:  -

*1.*   Almost all the guides  I came across, do not install to the root
dataset, they only seem to use it to derive/mount other
datasets/filesystems.
One of the reasons is to user boot environments, what are the other
possible reasons for doing this?



*2*.   Is it necessary to create a symbolic link to the /boot dir? Again
one of the howtos on the web had this step (
https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/2012/05/06/full-disk-encryption-with-zfs-root-for-freebsd-9-x/
).

ln -fs bootdir/boot

*3*.   This below option is where I had most trouble. This definitely needs
to be present when using geli+ZFS, if it's only ZFS, then I think the
bootfs flag suffices. Can someone with more knowledge of this please shed
some light on when this entry is needed.

vfs.root.mountfrom=”zfs:tank/ROOT”

*4.* In the wiki link above, what is the purpose of:

# zfs set mountpoint=/  zroot/ROOT
# zfs set mountpoint=/zroot zroot

I cannot understand the logic behind the second command.
Does that mean zroot  will display under / (root of the filesystem)?  and
Why?

looking at the rest of the commands:

# zfs set mountpoint=/tmp zroot/tmp
 # zfs set mountpoint=/usr zroot/usr
 # zfs set mountpoint=/var zroot/var

so if ROOT is set to /
then tmp, usr and var all appear under ROOT, is that right?


*5.* There seems to be lot of variation on how the system directories are
mounted under ZFS. In the above wiki

geli+Root on ZFS installation

2013-09-20 Thread yudi v

Hi,

I managed to install with geli+root on ZFS setup but have a few
questions.  Most of the instructions just list commands but offer very
little explanation.
I adapted the instructions in
https://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/9.0-RELEASE  to suit my needs.

Here's the process I used for the test on a VM:

2 GB RAM
two HDDs 8 GB each mirrored - three partitions

for boot code 128 KB
for /boot 2 GB
for the rest of the system and encrypted

no key file for encrypted partitions, only passphrase
using 9.1-RELEASE
there will be no swap or handling of 4k drives, just to keep it as simple
as possible.

*Create the basic three partitions:*


gpart destroy -F da0
gpart destroy -F da1
gpart create -s gpt da0
gpart create -s gpt da1
gpart add -s 128 -t freebsd-boot da0
gpart add -s 128 -t freebsd-boot da1
gpart add -s 2G -t freebsd-zfs da0
gpart add -s 2G -t freebsd-zfs da1
gpart add -t freebsd-zfs da0
gpart add -t freebsd-zfs da1

*Write boot code to both disks:*

gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 da0
gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 da1

*Load necessary modules:*

kldload zfs
kldload geom_eli
*
Encrypt the disks with only a passphrase:*

geli init -b -s 4096 /dev/da0p3
geli init -b -s 4096 /dev/da1p3

geli attach /dev/da0p3
geli attach /dev/da1p3

*Creating ZFS datasets:*

zpool create bootdir mirror /dev/da0p2 /dev/da1p2
zpool set bootfs=bootdir bootdir

zpool create -R /mnt -O canmount=off tank mirror /dev/da0p3.eli
/dev/da1p3.eli
zfs create -o mountpoint=/tank/ROOT
zfs set mountpoint=/mnt/bootdirbootdir
zfs mount bootdir

*Then exit out of the shell and go back to bsdinstall. Install as normal
and then get back to the shell after bsdinstall finishes ( do not reboot
yet).*

Once in the newly installed system:

mount -t devfs devfs /dev   ( to use ZFS commands in the new environment)

*Add the necessary variables/settings:*

echo ‘zfs_enable=”YES”‘  /etc/rc.conf
echo ‘vfs.root.mountfrom=”zfs:tank/ROOT”‘   /boot/loader.conf
echo ‘zfs_load=”YES”‘  /boot/loader.conf
echo ‘geom_eli_load=”YES”‘  /boot/loader.conf

*Then create a zpool cache file:*

 zpool set cachefile=/boot/zfs/zpool.cache tank.

*Then move the boot folder to the second partition under the bootdir
dataset:*

mv boot bootdir/
*
Then set the final mount points:*

zfs set mountpoint=legacy tank
zfs set mountpoint=/bootdir bootdir

*then reboot.*
It should boot fine into the new system.

-  My questions:  -

*1.*   Almost all the guides  I came across, do not install to the root
dataset, they only seem to use it to derive/mount other
datasets/filesystems.
One of the reasons is to user boot environments, what are the other
possible reasons for doing this?



*2*.   Is it necessary to create a symbolic link to the /boot dir? Again
one of the howtos on the web had this step (
https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/2012/05/06/full-disk-encryption-with-zfs-root-for-freebsd-9-x/
).

ln -fs bootdir/boot

*3*.   This below option is where I had most trouble. This definitely needs
to be present when using geli+ZFS, if it's only ZFS, then I think the
bootfs flag suffices. Can someone with more knowledge of this please shed
some light on when this entry is needed.

vfs.root.mountfrom=”zfs:tank/ROOT”

*4.* In the wiki link above, what is the purpose of:

# zfs set mountpoint=/  zroot/ROOT
# zfs set mountpoint=/zroot zroot

I cannot understand the logic behind the second command.
Does that mean zroot  will display under / (root of the filesystem)?  and
Why?

looking at the rest of the commands:

# zfs set mountpoint=/tmp zroot/tmp
 # zfs set mountpoint=/usr zroot/usr
 # zfs set mountpoint=/var zroot/var

so if ROOT is set to /
then tmp, usr and var all appear under ROOT, is that right?


*5.* There seems to be lot of variation on how the system directories are
mounted under ZFS. In the above wiki link, there seems to be separate
filesystems created under the root dataset for usr, var, tmp, usr/home 
  What's the logic? Are there any general guidelines/best practice
instructions?



Thank you.
Yudi
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Installation hangs during Archive extraction phase (9.1)

2013-07-26 Thread Ewald Jenisch

Hi,

Upon trying to install FreeBSD 9.1 on a HP Proliant DL585G5
installation freezes when it comes to the point Archive Extraction
while extracting ports.

To be specific, the system freezes while extracting ports.txz at 23%
with Overal Progress being 29%.

First I thought about the installation medium, so I re-burned the
installation CD (disc1), tried the DVD-installation, even installing
over the network - the machine always freezes when it comes to archive
extraction.

For the hardware part:
HP Proliant DL585G5
128GB RAM
8 HDs a 146GB: two of them in Raid-1, the remainder Raid0
2x onboard LAN: (HP NC371i)
2 addon NIC-cards with 2 ports each (HP NC360T)

Harddisk has been set up with GPT, for the test automatic
partitioning.

Has anybody out there seen this type of problem? If yes, any known
cure/hint/???

Thanks much in advance for any clue,
-ewald

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Re: Installation hangs during Archive extraction phase (9.1)

2013-07-26 Thread bw.mail.lists


On 7/26/2013 12:00 PM, Ewald Jenisch wrote:

Hi,

Upon trying to install FreeBSD 9.1 on a HP Proliant DL585G5
installation freezes when it comes to the point Archive Extraction
while extracting ports.

To be specific, the system freezes while extracting ports.txz at 23%
with Overal Progress being 29%.


You don't actually need to install ports.txz. All it does is populate 
/usr/ports, but you can do that after install using portsnap as 
documented in the handbook 
(http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html):


portsnap fetch
portsnap extract




First I thought about the installation medium, so I re-burned the
installation CD (disc1), tried the DVD-installation, even installing
over the network - the machine always freezes when it comes to archive
extraction.

For the hardware part:
HP Proliant DL585G5
128GB RAM
8 HDs a 146GB: two of them in Raid-1, the remainder Raid0
2x onboard LAN: (HP NC371i)
2 addon NIC-cards with 2 ports each (HP NC360T)

Harddisk has been set up with GPT, for the test automatic
partitioning.

Has anybody out there seen this type of problem? If yes, any known
cure/hint/???

Thanks much in advance for any clue,
-ewald

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Re: Installation hangs during Archive extraction phase (9.1)

2013-07-26 Thread Ewald Jenisch

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 01:16:32PM +0200, bw.mail.lists wrote:
 You don't actually need to install ports.txz. All it does is populate 
 /usr/ports, but you can do that after install using portsnap as 
 documented in the handbook 
 (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html):
 
 portsnap fetch
 portsnap extract
 

Hi,

Thanks for the hint. Now I could finish the installation (which takes
like forever (speaking in terms of 2 hours which is pretty strange
given the raw power of this machine)) however after rebooting the box
behaves weird to say the last:

I started out be entering portsnap fetch. Everything runs fine up to
the point when I see Verifying snapshot integrity. Then the system
completely comes to a grind. After sending the portsnap fetch to the
background (^Z) and entering top the machine completely freezes
without any indication as to why.

I've already done a complete hardware diagnosis - everything OK.

Any ideas on how to track this one down?

Thanks much in advance,
-ewald
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Re: Installation hangs during Archive extraction phase (9.1)

2013-07-26 Thread Adam Vande More

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Ewald Jenisch a...@jenisch.at wrote:

 On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 01:16:32PM +0200, bw.mail.lists wrote:
  You don't actually need to install ports.txz. All it does is populate
  /usr/ports, but you can do that after install using portsnap as
  documented in the handbook
  (
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html
 ):
 
  portsnap fetch
  portsnap extract
 

 Hi,

 Thanks for the hint. Now I could finish the installation (which takes
 like forever (speaking in terms of 2 hours which is pretty strange
 given the raw power of this machine)) however after rebooting the box
 behaves weird to say the last:

 I started out be entering portsnap fetch. Everything runs fine up to
 the point when I see Verifying snapshot integrity. Then the system
 completely comes to a grind. After sending the portsnap fetch to the
 background (^Z) and entering top the machine completely freezes
 without any indication as to why.

 I've already done a complete hardware diagnosis - everything OK.

 Any ideas on how to track this one down?


Don't install ports during installation, try using 8.4 or 9.1BETA1 instead


-- 
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