Re: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....
On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Pollywog wrote: On Sunday 02 September 2007 23:37:49 Andrew Gould wrote: Don't feel guilty. Keep a FreeBSD server running at home while you travel! You can backup your data securely and use it remotely via tightvnc. Andrew There must be some trick to accessing a FreeBSD server via VNC. I have done it on Linux but I could not get it to work in FreeBSD. I am using tightvnc-1.2.9_1 on FreeBSD and the windows versions of tightvnc on win2k and windows XP Pro. On FreeBSD I only have used vncviewer running the server on the winders boxes. I am using FreeBSD 6.2. The only issue I had was the screen quality with XP Pro which went away with the latest version of the tightvnc windows software. On Mac OS/X I am running Vine VNC from Redstone Software. The thing that I have not tried is going from windows/mac to FreeBSD, using ssh for that. Is that the issue for you? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Monday 10 September 2007 22:21:58 doug wrote: On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Pollywog wrote: I am using tightvnc-1.2.9_1 on FreeBSD and the windows versions of tightvnc on win2k and windows XP Pro. On FreeBSD I only have used vncviewer running the server on the winders boxes. I am using FreeBSD 6.2. The only issue I had was the screen quality with XP Pro which went away with the latest version of the tightvnc windows software. On Mac OS/X I am running Vine VNC from Redstone Software. The thing that I have not tried is going from windows/mac to FreeBSD, using ssh for that. Is that the issue for you? The issue for me was connecting from FreeBSD to FreeBSD, but it is working now. The problem was that on the FreeBSD laptop from which I was connecting, the lo0 interface was not actually up. If I set the IP address 127.0.0.1 to lo0 and then tried to connect via SSH, it worked. I fixed the problem with a small edit of /etc/rc.conf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....
On Monday 10 September 2007 23:42:43 Pollywog wrote: On Monday 10 September 2007 22:21:58 doug wrote: On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Pollywog wrote: I am using tightvnc-1.2.9_1 on FreeBSD and the windows versions of tightvnc on win2k and windows XP Pro. On FreeBSD I only have used vncviewer running the server on the winders boxes. I am using FreeBSD 6.2. The only issue I had was the screen quality with XP Pro which went away with the latest version of the tightvnc windows software. On Mac OS/X I am running Vine VNC from Redstone Software. The thing that I have not tried is going from windows/mac to FreeBSD, using ssh for that. Is that the issue for you? The issue for me was connecting from FreeBSD to FreeBSD, but it is working now. The problem was that on the FreeBSD laptop from which I was connecting, the lo0 interface was not actually up. If I set the IP address 127.0.0.1 to lo0 and then tried to connect via SSH, it worked. I fixed the problem with a small edit of /etc/rc.conf My 6.2 system never had this problem, only the laptop running FreeBSD 7 had the problem. It is possible I messed something up during the initial install or when I updated. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....
doug wrote: On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Pollywog wrote: On Sunday 02 September 2007 23:37:49 Andrew Gould wrote: Don't feel guilty. Keep a FreeBSD server running at home while you travel! You can backup your data securely and use it remotely via tightvnc. Andrew There must be some trick to accessing a FreeBSD server via VNC. I have done it on Linux but I could not get it to work in FreeBSD. I am using tightvnc-1.2.9_1 on FreeBSD and the windows versions of tightvnc on win2k and windows XP Pro. On FreeBSD I only have used vncviewer running the server on the winders boxes. I am using FreeBSD 6.2. The only issue I had was the screen quality with XP Pro which went away with the latest version of the tightvnc windows software. On Mac OS/X I am running Vine VNC from Redstone Software. The thing that I have not tried is going from windows/mac to FreeBSD, using ssh for that. Is that the issue for you? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You just need to do sshd_enable=YES in your rc.conf file Speaking of which SSVNC is the newest version of TightVNC and is in ports ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....
On Saturday 01 September 2007 10:22:08 pm Michael Hauber wrote: Hey, all... I've been a user of FreeBSD and OpenBSD for quite a while now. Unfortunatly, I haven't had much time to tinker lately, and that's unlikely to change in the near future. Sadly, I need to get an OS that my wife would be more comfortable using and that wouldn't be as time-comsuming to make it more comfortable for her. I downloaded the uberyl live CD and found that ubuntu seems to pick up on everything I have on the laptop (as well as all the attachments), so I'm downloading it now. Because I've put so much time into getting this FreeBSD install where it is now (and because I favor the BSDs), I'm still a bit hesitant... Has anyone here had much experience with ubunu as a desktop? Negatives/positives? Kind of OT, I guess... I'd just rather hear it from someone in this group rather than the inevitable, Oh yeah. You won't be sorry. from the ubuntu folk (salespitches == fingernails on a chalkboard :) ). Thanks, Mike PS. Yes, I've played with PC-BSD. Unfortunately, that's still more work than I have time for. Hello :) I used Ubuntu and Kubuntu before I installed FreeBSD. It was pretty easy to use and a lot of things were made easy for clueless users like me. I like FreeBSD better, but thats because it allows me to learn what is happening behind it all. I think your wife will be happy with ubuntu. Its probably going to be different enough to be annoying at times. Ubuntu is the easiest form of Linux that I tried. Maybe you could dual boot FreeBSD and Ubuntu? I tried that once but couldn't figure out how to fix the boot loader. I couldn't get back into Kubuntu, but that may be because I was triple booting with windows xp too. lol. Its just an idea. If you can figure out the bootloader problem then maybe you dont have to give up FreeBSD :) Good luck! Rachie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Danny Pansters Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 5:18 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out I reckon the last two additions to this thread was the passive-aggressive version of can't we just all get along.. and now STFU. Heh! For that reason alone, I believe that the FreeBSD community actually needs people that tend to go against the grain from time to time. It's a healthy thing. The entire FreeBSD community goes against the grain. Doesen't anyone know we are all supposed to sit down and shut up and use the latest software Redmond has blessed? After all, this computer industry is all for the greater glory of Microsoft, didn't ya know? ;-) Why not buy one of those gorgeous new imacs or a Mac lappy and be done with it, while still being able to do a lot of hacking if you really want to? From what I've read OSX is a great development system. Well, em, it depends. They may have improved stuff but I ran into a lot of fun and games building rogue on Panther. (Hey, a UNIX system isn't a UNIX system without rogue - it's a piece of history!) And, building KDE was a lost cause. My understanding reading the message boards on MacOS X is that 90% of the Mac users out there simply use precompiled packages that someone else built, and so what they have to say about the subject (which is basically praise, praise, praise, etc.) is pretty much worthless. The 10% that actually build software swear at it as much as they swear by it. One of the more popular packages out there is a massive piece that pulls precompiled stuff from archives and installs it, according to what MacOS X you have running, so that ought to tell you something. But there's no question that if you can afford it, MacOS X and a pile of commercial Mac software makes a perfect first OS for a Windows refugee. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Danny Pansters wrote: Now to get back to the subject, what I don't understand is how OP thinks that [k]ubuntu would not need tinkering time. It's quite possible that a generic debian or arch install requires less tinkering to get it to behave the way you want (perhaps initially some more, but not after). Why not buy one of those gorgeous new imacs or a Mac lappy and be done with it, while still being able to do a lot of hacking if you really want to? From what I've read OSX is a great development system. I have FreeBSD and Ubuntu feisty 64 bits installed on my laptop. My conclusion is that Ubuntu requires ways less tinkering and works very well. As to using a mac, i don't see at present a reason to do that. I don't see a single thing that Mac OS does that FreeBSD with KDE desn't do much better. I don't need a laptop which overheats, has a one button mouse and other oddities. I don't want to learn still another system which doesn't have a single strong point. To come back to Ubuntu, it has at least two fetaures that FreeBSD doesn't: - suspend-resume works, which is immensely useful for a laptop - it has a package management sytem which works, using *binary* packages. No, portupgrade is not in the same categaory by any stretch of the imagination, and i have no business spending hours compiling stuff. Incidentally, Ubuntu also has working support for Intel wifi, the Syskonnect ethernet card and the Intel video card, where FreeBSD has experimental drivers such that the ethernet loses as many packets as it transmits (myk driver) and X locks up at least once a day. It is not very difficult to understand why Ubuntu is massively gaining users, while FreeBSD doesn't, and is now ranked position 22 on Distrowatch. -- Michel TALON ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Michel Talon wrote: ... and X locks up at least once a day. Well, mine doesn't. It is not very difficult to understand why Ubuntu is massively gaining users, while FreeBSD doesn't, and is now ranked position 22 on Distrowatch. Add together FreeBSD, PC-BSD and DesktopBSD - FreeBSD will then be at position 9. I am sure Ubuntu is a good system in many ways. But FreeBSD's position on DistroWatch is very impressive for a system that is not Linux, is not actively promoted, does not even attempt to be user-friendly ... and whose name does not mean a thing in any African language. -- Tore ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David U Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:10 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out That is my job. The ONLY way to get someone to re-examine their assumptions is to piss them off. What a breathtakingly arrogant ponce! Arrogance is in the eye of the beholder, my friend. Lots of people think the current President of the US is an arrogant SOB. Lots of others think the people that think this are utter morons. Perhaps THIS will piss YOU off enough to get you to reexamine YOUR assumption. Nope, but it was good for a chuckle. Thanks! Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 9/6/07, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David U Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:10 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out That is my job. The ONLY way to get someone to re-examine their assumptions is to piss them off. What a breathtakingly arrogant ponce! Arrogance is in the eye of the beholder, my friend. Lots of people think the current President of the US is an arrogant SOB. Lots of others think the people that think this are utter morons. Perhaps THIS will piss YOU off enough to get you to reexamine YOUR assumption. Nope, but it was good for a chuckle. Thanks! Ted ___ The thread has degenerated to personal sparring. I think we're at a point where this discussion can be taken off-list without any of the rest of us missing critical content regarding FreeBSD. Andrew ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wednesday 05 September 2007 00:35:35 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Hauber Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 11:22 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out Hey, all... Because I've put so much time into getting this FreeBSD install where it is now (and because I favor the BSDs), I'm still a bit hesitant... Has anyone here had much experience with ubunu as a desktop? Negatives/positives? Different strokes for different folks. There's nothing to be ashamed of for choosing a different OS because it fits your needs better than FreeBSD. However there is a lot to be ashamed of if your announcing this to the FreeBSD mailing list as a veiled attempt to spur the FreeBSD developers to make FreeBSD more ubuntu-like, or to trigger a flame war between ubuntu and FreeBSD supporters. Your post to me kind of seems rather passive-agressive, your praising and condemming FreeBSD at the same time, in the same sentences. I can't figure out if your trying to flame-bait or not, so I'll assume the best, that your not. Basically, dude, what you need to do is shit and get off the pot. Every OS under the sun including Winblows is going to suck up tinker-time. If you want a computer (or a happy wife I guess) then you need to accept that and quit whining that you don't have enough time. Here's a thought - unplug your TV set for a month and I'll bet you get a lot more tinker time. Anyway, you need to load ubuntu and load windows and load debian, and load red hat and so on and so on and make your own decision as to which meets your needs. None of us here can read minds and you haven't stated what your needs are - other than you want more time, which as I explained is a mirage - there isn't going to be more time freed up by replacing FreeBSD with something else, your just going to spend the same time with a different set of problems - so if you honest-to-god need more time, then give up something in your life that is consuming time that you gain less from than your computer. It could be anything from TV to your daily commute, to smoking, to drinking beer, you name it, whatever. Ted Flamer-bait, no. Lazy tv addict, no. Go back to windows, hell no. Have time, no. Trying to be negative about any BSD, absolutely not. I asked out of respect for this board, not out of frustration for FreeBSD or OpenBSD. The FreeBSD and OpenBSD will probably always be my favorites. Now... As to why I asked this board Who better to ask than folks that have some of the preferences? I needed something that I could take on the road without having to spend a lot of time upgrading/tweaking. Ubuntu is turning out to be fine for that. Giving something up... I did (for the time being), and I'll miss it. My overall response for all that bullshit you just wrote... Go find someone else to jerk off. Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Hauber Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 4:44 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out Now... As to why I asked this board Who better to ask than folks that have some of the preferences? Why on earth would you think FreeBSD folks would be out advocating for Ubuntu? I didn't realize this mailing list was renamed freebsd-questions-about-other-oses-i-want-to-switch-to I needed something that I could take on the road without having to spend a lot of time upgrading/tweaking. Ubuntu is turning out to be fine for that. More flame bait, you just can't give up trying eh? Note -I- wasn't the only one that said Ubuntu wouldn't be any better than FreeBSD. My overall response for all that bullshit you just wrote... But it looks like I -was- the only one that outed you, ya troll. No wonder you saved your (weak) flaming for me. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I apologize for that last comment... That was uncalled for. My time is limited because of my having to juggle so many things at once, and working on the road isn't helping me any (as much as I like the work). My wife is now travelling with me, so that was also part of the equation. Things will slow down eventually, and I'll be back then. I basically took your response as your calling me a lazy whiner... To that, I must say that I save lazy for Sundays (or until I pass out). The whiner part... I'm not much for the drink... :) I appreciate you, Ted. Over the years, I've learned a lot from you, and hell I even have your book... But I'll be damned if you don't parse me off sometimes. :) Anyway... A public apology for a public ass-showing... And I don't want to leave the board with the impression that I'm an ass (or at least a complete one), Cheers, Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Hauber Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 7:38 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out I apologize for that last comment... That was uncalled for. My time is limited because of my having to juggle so many things at once, and working on the road isn't helping me any (as much as I like the work). My wife is now travelling with me, so that was also part of the equation. Things will slow down eventually, and I'll be back then. I basically took your response as your calling me a lazy whiner... To that, I must say that I save lazy for Sundays (or until I pass out). The whiner part... I'm not much for the drink... :) I appreciate you, Ted. Over the years, I've learned a lot from you, and hell I even have your book... Thank you! But I'll be damned if you don't parse me off sometimes. :) That is my job. The ONLY way to get someone to re-examine their assumptions is to piss them off. It's why politicians get more votes rabble-rousing than telling everyone how great things are. And naturally, those that don't want to re-examine their own ass-umptions don't like being pissed off, don't like rabble-rousers, and bitch when they see rabble-rousing. But, change never happens easy. Your not going to get a Windows users switched over to Open Source unless you piss him off - force him to defend his ass-umption that Windows is the greatest operating system since sliced bread. Doing this is what gets him to re-examine his assumptions. And that is after all the name of the game here - to get the people away from the unhealthy MS monopolizing of the computer business that are salvagable. Anyway... A public apology for a public ass-showing... And I don't want to leave the board with the impression that I'm an ass (or at least a complete one), No problem Mike - and I apologize as well for saying you were whining. As I said, I didn't take your post originally as a troll's post. But I do take exception to the implication - perhaps unintended - that Ubuntu takes less tinker-time. Ubuntu is configured a certain way - if your needs align with how it is configured it is going to take less time -for you- to tweak. As is, Windows is configured a certain way, if it aligns with someone's needs then it will take less time for -that- person to tweak. This is how it is with all the canned configuration operating systems. Right now Ubuntu is growing very fast since it's canned configuration is the closest alignment with Windows among the Linuxes, so it's really easy to get dissatisfied Windows users who aren't willing to expend a lot of effort migrating. And it's natural for new users of any OS to wax poetic about it's good points - after all that's why they moved over - so I have to remember that right now there's going to be a lot of Ubuntu new users waxing poetic about how great Ubuntu is. But it is trying to have to read the same thing over and over on the public mailing lists and message boards. As I said, don't apologize for using an OS that matches your needs better than FreeBSD. Just don't assume that everyone's needs are the same as yours, and we would all be spending less time tinkering with Ubuntu, or even FreeBSD for that matter. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That is my job. The ONLY way to get someone to re-examine their assumptions is to piss them off. What a breathtakingly arrogant ponce! Perhaps THIS will piss YOU off enough to get you to reexamine YOUR assumption. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I apologize for that last comment... That was uncalled for. Ted brings out the best in people. snip an unnecessary explanation But I'll be damned if you don't parse me off sometimes. :) Ted brings out the best in people. That is my job. The ONLY way to get someone to re-examine their assumptions is to piss them off. Really? Funny, not one of my college professor's ever pissed me off with rude, arrogant, offensive and generally hasty sweeping statements in an attempt to get me to open my mind and examine my thought process. It's why politicians get more votes rabble-rousing than telling everyone how great things are. If you say so... And naturally, those that don't want to re-examine their own ass-umptions don't like being pissed off, don't like rabble-rousers, and bitch when they see rabble-rousing. I question my own thoughts and motives all the time, and I don't typically enjoy being pissed off, but I do like to raise hell from time to time. So, by your logic Ted; I'm an enigma? But, change never happens easy. Yeah, people have been trying to teach you some manners for years Ted, and YOUR right; it's never been easy or accomplished as evidenced by your ability to simultaneously piss off various people from various parts of the world on two different threads at once. Good Job. Your not going to get a Windows users switched over to Open Source unless you piss him off - force him to defend his ass-umption that Windows is the greatest operating system since sliced bread. Doing this is what gets him to re-examine his assumptions. And that is after all the name of the game here - to get the people away from the unhealthy MS monopolizing of the computer business that are salvagable. Anyway... A public apology for a public ass-showing... And I don't want to leave the board with the impression that I'm an ass (or at least a complete one), That's not the impression I was left with. No problem Mike - and I apologize as well for saying you were whining. You should, that's one of your sweeping hasty generalizations about someone you've never even met. snipped the rest of the blah, blah, blah, blah lecture as I've wasted enough bandwidth already Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I reckon the last two additions to this thread was the passive-aggressive version of can't we just all get along.. and now STFU. Look, Ted's right (ouch, that hurt ;-). Quite often -- arguably always -- if you really want to be heard you have to be able to confront controversial issues head on and tell it like it is (ok, or rather how you think/feel/know it is). If you're on the other side of such an issue, it's easy to publicly nod and safely join the herd, but it's much harder to go against the grain. It's not called 'against the grain' for nothing. And though I not always (probably mostly not) agree with Ted, I for one respect such a personality trait. It's easy to be a yes-man, it's much harder to be a no-man. But if you believe in certain things or find that you have gathered adequate evidence to support a different opinion, it's a good thing to have the balls to say so. Nice form and good manners are valuable, but if only used in order to maintain status quo they're merely shields for the yes-men. Besides, I'm of the persuasion that thinks that a good flamewar now and than isn't that bad, it's probably more harmful if the environment is such that any strong resentment cannot be expressed without some form of repraisal (sp?). Once you find yourself in such an environment it's do or die and you bet that folks are going to leave eventually. For that reason alone, I believe that the FreeBSD community actually needs people that tend to go against the grain from time to time. It's a healthy thing. Now to get back to the subject, what I don't understand is how OP thinks that [k]ubuntu would not need tinkering time. It's quite possible that a generic debian or arch install requires less tinkering to get it to behave the way you want (perhaps initially some more, but not after). Why not buy one of those gorgeous new imacs or a Mac lappy and be done with it, while still being able to do a lot of hacking if you really want to? From what I've read OSX is a great development system. Cheers, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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As I said, don't apologize for using an OS that matches your needs better than FreeBSD. Just don't assume that everyone's needs are the same as yours, and we would all be spending less time tinkering with Ubuntu, or even FreeBSD for that matter. This is an exceptionally good point. I use Windows on my workstation at work. 90% of our servers run FreeBSD. In the past, I have run into issues using particular software with FreeBSD at home, so I just ran Windows. Since I rarely use a PC when I'm at home, and it's more for the kids/wife, I recently acquired a new PC for my home environment from a corporation that had no OS on it. I knew FreeBSD would not do the job in it's entirety (none of my FBSD boxes have anything resembling a GUI near it), so I tried Ubuntu. Looks great, the GUI comes up perfectly right after install. Personally though, the only thing I have a hard time with is commands aren't in the *right* place, or missing entirely. Same for config files etc. (CLI obviously). Not only that, there are specific tasks that I want to do via GUI, but you (OP) like I, have not the time to figure it out. The entire issue comes down to what works for *YOU*. Does FBSD do what you need, and also satisfy the requirements for everyone else who will use it? If not, does Windows? I didn't go with Windows, because I am certain I can have our home PC do what my family needs it to do with something else. However, that said, if it comes down to it, and I have to fudge too much longer to make it just work, then yes, Windows it is, and I will begrudgingly go purchase another license. If you don't have time to get one OS working properly to your requirements, then go for one that you know will work globally in your environment. Your original post stated: Sadly, I need to get an OS that my wife would be more comfortable using and that wouldn't be as time-comsuming to make it more comfortable for her. ...how 'bout you ask HER what SHE wants here? By reviewing the thread, you are busy on the road working, so if she feels a license for Windows is the answer, then you are obviously busy enough with work to justify the cost to offset the lost time in implementing something else...right? Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Hauber Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 11:22 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out Hey, all... Because I've put so much time into getting this FreeBSD install where it is now (and because I favor the BSDs), I'm still a bit hesitant... Has anyone here had much experience with ubunu as a desktop? Negatives/positives? Different strokes for different folks. There's nothing to be ashamed of for choosing a different OS because it fits your needs better than FreeBSD. However there is a lot to be ashamed of if your announcing this to the FreeBSD mailing list as a veiled attempt to spur the FreeBSD developers to make FreeBSD more ubuntu-like, or to trigger a flame war between ubuntu and FreeBSD supporters. Your post to me kind of seems rather passive-agressive, your praising and condemming FreeBSD at the same time, in the same sentences. I can't figure out if your trying to flame-bait or not, so I'll assume the best, that your not. Basically, dude, what you need to do is shit and get off the pot. Every OS under the sun including Winblows is going to suck up tinker-time. If you want a computer (or a happy wife I guess) then you need to accept that and quit whining that you don't have enough time. Here's a thought - unplug your TV set for a month and I'll bet you get a lot more tinker time. Anyway, you need to load ubuntu and load windows and load debian, and load red hat and so on and so on and make your own decision as to which meets your needs. None of us here can read minds and you haven't stated what your needs are - other than you want more time, which as I explained is a mirage - there isn't going to be more time freed up by replacing FreeBSD with something else, your just going to spend the same time with a different set of problems - so if you honest-to-god need more time, then give up something in your life that is consuming time that you gain less from than your computer. It could be anything from TV to your daily commute, to smoking, to drinking beer, you name it, whatever. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....
Michael Hauber wrote: Hey, all... I've been a user of FreeBSD and OpenBSD for quite a while now. Unfortunatly, I haven't had much time to tinker lately, and that's unlikely to change in the near future. Sadly, I need to get an OS that my wife would be more comfortable using and that wouldn't be as time-comsuming to make it more comfortable for her. I downloaded the uberyl live CD and found that ubuntu seems to pick up on everything I have on the laptop (as well as all the attachments), so I'm downloading it now. Because I've put so much time into getting this FreeBSD install where it is now (and because I favor the BSDs), I'm still a bit hesitant... Has anyone here had much experience with ubunu as a desktop? Negatives/positives? Kind of OT, I guess... I'd just rather hear it from someone in this group rather than the inevitable, Oh yeah. You won't be sorry. from the ubuntu folk (salespitches == fingernails on a chalkboard :) ). Thanks, Mike PS. Yes, I've played with PC-BSD. Unfortunately, that's still more work than I have time for. I am working (and tinkering as you put it) with many kinds of systems: Fedora / Ubuntu as desktops, Debian as servers, FreeBSD both desktops and servers, Windows 2003 servers, XP desktops, even Vista :) To put it simply, every system has its strong points, ups and downs. For example, Windows has drivers for everything - many are crap, but they still exist - and a few applications you just can't replace with anything else. Ubuntu, the one you are considering, is based on Debian, which I consider excellent, especially for servers. But if you are coming from a FreeBSD background, Ubuntu will seem rather restrictive and easy. It is an easy desktop for *NIX beginners, and it is now marketed as the Linux you will never have to touch the command line. As I recall, the default install will not even setup gcc, although the package (build-essential) is on CD. There are obviously a lot of helper apps, like automatic installation of codecs etc. but it is still Linux. If you are a power user you will need to tinker it, and there will be things missing you will need to install. Example: First time I tried to mount some NFS shares, they were taking ages. I found out it was missing the nfs-common package. Maybe a beginner does not care about it, but I consider this basic functionality and expect it to be there (or that I will be informed it is not, beforehand). I also need the compiler, kernel headers and stuff to compile kernel modules. Ubuntu seems to have a lot of ready made things, good for beginners but quite limiting for me, I have to actually rip things out to install my stuff (e.g. disable their versions of some restricted drivers to install mine). That being said, it is making an alternate, non-Windows desktop accessible to a lot of people, which I consider a good thing. Though I suggest Ubuntu to enthusiastic Linux beginners, I find it difficult to give an argument for anyone with an average FreeBSD knowledge. At home I mostly use Fedora as a Linux desktop. The part of your post I don't really understand, is what is really bothering you with your FreeBSD install. Are you missing programs / features you just can't live without? Is it something to do with the ports / packages? Installing, customizing and becoming familiar with your FreeBSD system does take some time, but this is followed by a very long effortless stable operation. Assuming a typical installation where users' needs don't constantly change, you can easily maintain a FreeBSD install with minimum hassle. And how is Ubuntu going to be any easier for your wife? Assuming you are administering the machine, a FreeBSD with a Gnome desktop will be more or less the same from the user standpoint to Ubuntu (or any other distro) with Gnome. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....
On Sunday 02 September 2007 02:22, Michael Hauber wrote: Hey, all... I've been a user of FreeBSD and OpenBSD for quite a while now. Unfortunatly, I haven't had much time to tinker lately, and that's unlikely to change in the near future. Sadly, I need to get an OS that my wife would be more comfortable using and that wouldn't be as time-comsuming to make it more comfortable for her. I downloaded the uberyl live CD and found that ubuntu seems to pick up on everything I have on the laptop (as well as all the attachments), so I'm downloading it now. Because I've put so much time into getting this FreeBSD install where it is now (and because I favor the BSDs), I'm still a bit hesitant... Has anyone here had much experience with ubunu as a desktop? Negatives/positives? Kind of OT, I guess... I'd just rather hear it from someone in this group rather than the inevitable, Oh yeah. You won't be sorry. from the ubuntu folk (salespitches == fingernails on a chalkboard :) ). Thanks, Mike PS. Yes, I've played with PC-BSD. Unfortunately, that's still more work than I have time for. I am one of those sad cases who used FreeBSD for many years as my primary desktop at home, and then switched to Ubuntu about 6 months ago. I still run FreeBSD on an older server, that runs round the clock and is 100% reliable. I was only slightly frustrated by FreeBSD, mainly because of my inability to get a Hauuppage TV card to work, even after a few queries on this list. I also found that other multimedia software seemed more available and easier to set up - I not saying they were impossible, just that I seemed to be spending more time trying to get them to work than I wanted. Ubuntu works very well 'out of the box', and their Synaptic tool for finding and installing software is excellent. I am now running VirtualBox under Ubuntu, and it works extremely well; I can run W2K and XP for occasional use as guests, and what seems like full speed. (Much faster than QEMU, which I used before.) Both KDE and GNOME work fine, and for basic work with Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice and Postgresql, there is nothing much to choose between FreeBSD and Ubuntu from an office user's point of view. Both work great. Both seem rock solid, and recover well from the occasional power outages I get at my new home. (Ought to get a battery backup before disaster hits one day, I suppose). All the development tools are a few mouse-clicks away. I may switch back one day, as I like FreeBSD very much for its sound design and underlying philosophy. I feel 'guilty' about having changed! -- Mike Jeays http://www.jeays.ca ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....
On Sunday 02 September 2007 07:31:41 Mike Jeays wrote: On Sunday 02 September 2007 02:22, Michael Hauber wrote: Hey, all... I've been a user of FreeBSD and OpenBSD for quite a while now. Unfortunatly, I haven't had much time to tinker lately, and that's unlikely to change in the near future. Sadly, I need to get an OS that my wife would be more comfortable using and that wouldn't be as time-comsuming to make it more comfortable for her. I downloaded the uberyl live CD and found that ubuntu seems to pick up on everything I have on the laptop (as well as all the attachments), so I'm downloading it now. Because I've put so much time into getting this FreeBSD install where it is now (and because I favor the BSDs), I'm still a bit hesitant... Has anyone here had much experience with ubunu as a desktop? Negatives/positives? Kind of OT, I guess... I'd just rather hear it from someone in this group rather than the inevitable, Oh yeah. You won't be sorry. from the ubuntu folk (salespitches == fingernails on a chalkboard :) ). Thanks, Mike PS. Yes, I've played with PC-BSD. Unfortunately, that's still more work than I have time for. I am one of those sad cases who used FreeBSD for many years as my primary desktop at home, and then switched to Ubuntu about 6 months ago. I still run FreeBSD on an older server, that runs round the clock and is 100% reliable. I was only slightly frustrated by FreeBSD, mainly because of my inability to get a Hauuppage TV card to work, even after a few queries on this list. I also found that other multimedia software seemed more available and easier to set up - I not saying they were impossible, just that I seemed to be spending more time trying to get them to work than I wanted. Ubuntu works very well 'out of the box', and their Synaptic tool for finding and installing software is excellent. I am now running VirtualBox under Ubuntu, and it works extremely well; I can run W2K and XP for occasional use as guests, and what seems like full speed. (Much faster than QEMU, which I used before.) Both KDE and GNOME work fine, and for basic work with Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice and Postgresql, there is nothing much to choose between FreeBSD and Ubuntu from an office user's point of view. Both work great. Both seem rock solid, and recover well from the occasional power outages I get at my new home. (Ought to get a battery backup before disaster hits one day, I suppose). All the development tools are a few mouse-clicks away. I may switch back one day, as I like FreeBSD very much for its sound design and underlying philosophy. I feel 'guilty' about having changed! from my experience as an admin over at openaddict.com, ubuntu really seems to have ascended quickly thru the ranks of the quality distributions. if you take a look at distrowatch.com, ubuntu is also the most highest clicked on distro. based on behavior from what i see from the linux community, it looks like: Oh yeah. You won't be sorry. cheers, -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....
On 9/2/07, Mike Jeays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 02 September 2007 02:22, Michael Hauber wrote: Hey, all... I've been a user of FreeBSD and OpenBSD for quite a while now. Unfortunatly, I haven't had much time to tinker lately, and that's unlikely to change in the near future. Sadly, I need to get an OS that my wife would be more comfortable using and that wouldn't be as time-comsuming to make it more comfortable for her. I downloaded the uberyl live CD and found that ubuntu seems to pick up on everything I have on the laptop (as well as all the attachments), so I'm downloading it now. Because I've put so much time into getting this FreeBSD install where it is now (and because I favor the BSDs), I'm still a bit hesitant... Has anyone here had much experience with ubunu as a desktop? Negatives/positives? Kind of OT, I guess... I'd just rather hear it from someone in this group rather than the inevitable, Oh yeah. You won't be sorry. from the ubuntu folk (salespitches == fingernails on a chalkboard :) ). Thanks, Mike PS. Yes, I've played with PC-BSD. Unfortunately, that's still more work than I have time for. I am one of those sad cases who used FreeBSD for many years as my primary desktop at home, and then switched to Ubuntu about 6 months ago. I still run FreeBSD on an older server, that runs round the clock and is 100% reliable. I was only slightly frustrated by FreeBSD, mainly because of my inability to get a Hauuppage TV card to work, even after a few queries on this list. I also found that other multimedia software seemed more available and easier to set up - I not saying they were impossible, just that I seemed to be spending more time trying to get them to work than I wanted. Ubuntu works very well 'out of the box', and their Synaptic tool for finding and installing software is excellent. I am now running VirtualBox under Ubuntu, and it works extremely well; I can run W2K and XP for occasional use as guests, and what seems like full speed. (Much faster than QEMU, which I used before.) Both KDE and GNOME work fine, and for basic work with Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice and Postgresql, there is nothing much to choose between FreeBSD and Ubuntu from an office user's point of view. Both work great. Both seem rock solid, and recover well from the occasional power outages I get at my new home. (Ought to get a battery backup before disaster hits one day, I suppose). All the development tools are a few mouse-clicks away. I may switch back one day, as I like FreeBSD very much for its sound design and underlying philosophy. I feel 'guilty' about having changed! -- Mike Jeays http://www.jeays.ca ___ I moved from Linux to FreeBSD in 2000. Two years ago, at the request of my IT department, I started looking to move a database server back to Linux. Unfortunately(?), I found that each Linux distribution came with either problems or limitations. Several distros worked well out of the box; but I still had problems getting the applications I wanted working either because of bugs or license politics. I never made the move. Don't kid yourself, even open source applications and operating systems go through occasional periods where technical know-how is needed, even *Ubuntu. If you don't believe me, browse through the email lists of any *BSD or Linux operating system. This month's edition of Linux Format has an article documenting an experiment where 3 newbies are asked to perform various tasks in Linux. You may find this article useful. If the original poster is leaving FreeBSD to save time and make his wife's computing experience a pleasant one, I recommend Mac OS X. It comes with all of the advantages of Apple's understanding of users and user interfaces. Also, you can install your favorite unix apps via macports. In my home, I use Mac OS X for photo editing and creating slideshow DVDs. I use FreeBSD as my desktop and a database server. Good luck, Andrew ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....
On Sunday 02 September 2007 07:12:37 am Manolis Kiagias proclaimed: Michael Hauber wrote: Hey, all... I've been a user of FreeBSD and OpenBSD for quite a while now. Unfortunatly, I haven't had much time to tinker lately, and that's unlikely to change in the near future. Sadly, I need to get an OS that my wife would be more comfortable using and that wouldn't be as time-comsuming to make it more comfortable for her. I downloaded the uberyl live CD and found that ubuntu seems to pick up on everything I have on the laptop (as well as all the attachments), so I'm downloading it now. Because I've put so much time into getting this FreeBSD install where it is now (and because I favor the BSDs), I'm still a bit hesitant... Has anyone here had much experience with ubunu as a desktop? Negatives/positives? Kind of OT, I guess... I'd just rather hear it from someone in this group rather than the inevitable, Oh yeah. You won't be sorry. from the ubuntu folk (salespitches == fingernails on a chalkboard :) ). Thanks, Mike PS. Yes, I've played with PC-BSD. Unfortunately, that's still more work than I have time for. I am working (and tinkering as you put it) with many kinds of systems: Fedora / Ubuntu as desktops, Debian as servers, FreeBSD both desktops and servers, Windows 2003 servers, XP desktops, even Vista :) To put it simply, every system has its strong points, ups and downs. For example, Windows has drivers for everything - many are crap, but they still exist - and a few applications you just can't replace with anything else. Ubuntu, the one you are considering, is based on Debian, which I consider excellent, especially for servers. But if you are coming from a FreeBSD background, Ubuntu will seem rather restrictive and easy. It is an easy desktop for *NIX beginners, and it is now marketed as the Linux you will never have to touch the command line. As I recall, the default install will not even setup gcc, although the package (build-essential) is on CD. There are obviously a lot of helper apps, like automatic installation of codecs etc. but it is still Linux. If you are a power user you will need to tinker it, and there will be things missing you will need to install. Example: First time I tried to mount some NFS shares, they were taking ages. I found out it was missing the nfs-common package. Maybe a beginner does not care about it, but I consider this basic functionality and expect it to be there (or that I will be informed it is not, beforehand). I also need the compiler, kernel headers and stuff to compile kernel modules. Ubuntu seems to have a lot of ready made things, good for beginners but quite limiting for me, I have to actually rip things out to install my stuff (e.g. disable their versions of some restricted drivers to install mine). That being said, it is making an alternate, non-Windows desktop accessible to a lot of people, which I consider a good thing. Though I suggest Ubuntu to enthusiastic Linux beginners, I find it difficult to give an argument for anyone with an average FreeBSD knowledge. At home I mostly use Fedora as a Linux desktop. The part of your post I don't really understand, is what is really bothering you with your FreeBSD install. Are you missing programs / features you just can't live without? Is it something to do with the ports / packages? Installing, customizing and becoming familiar with your FreeBSD system does take some time, but this is followed by a very long effortless stable operation. Assuming a typical installation where users' needs don't constantly change, you can easily maintain a FreeBSD install with minimum hassle. And how is Ubuntu going to be any easier for your wife? Assuming you are administering the machine, a FreeBSD with a Gnome desktop will be more or less the same from the user standpoint to Ubuntu (or any other distro) with Gnome. These responses have all been informative, and I appreciate them very much... To answer your question, it's a matter of access for both me and my wife. Due to my job, we travel quite a bit. For my wife, it's the small things like, My sister just sent me a link to a video on youtube and it's not working right. For me, it's the hours I spend pouring over it, trying to get it to work for her. Personally, I prefer to build everything from ports because I can get the custom builds. On this machine, that takes quite a bit of time. In one case (when FreeBSD ports went to x.org7.2 ), it took over a week to upgrade (I arrived at a hotel and immediately started the upgrade, and when it came time a week later to check out, I had to stop it... That ended up creating a huge mess)... I'd like to think I'm pretty familiar with the BSDs. I've been using both FreeBSD and OpenBSD since around '98 (both as desktops and various kinds of servers... I used to have 8 computers in my bedroom alone, and my hobby is
Re: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....
On 9/2/07, Michael Hauber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in the process of backup, and will be installing ubuntu shortly. Like one of the repliers stated, I too feel somewhat guilty... But I'll be back one of these days. Thanks, all. Mike Don't feel guilty. Keep a FreeBSD server running at home while you travel! You can backup your data securely and use it remotely via tightvnc. Andrew ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sunday 02 September 2007 23:37:49 Andrew Gould wrote: Don't feel guilty. Keep a FreeBSD server running at home while you travel! You can backup your data securely and use it remotely via tightvnc. Andrew There must be some trick to accessing a FreeBSD server via VNC. I have done it on Linux but I could not get it to work in FreeBSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....
There must be some trick to accessing a FreeBSD server via VNC. I have done it on Linux but I could not get it to work in FreeBSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no tricks? You just install VNC. Then type vncserver and you will guided to create password and given server extension. So for instance if your server name is oko.net and vnc client number 1 you will access it with vncviewer oko.net:1 To customize your vnc experience file .vnc/xstartup must be edited. You can specify Window Manager or Desktop. Your firewall must be adjusted as well. I am watching this thread and wondering why are we discussing Ubuntu and Linux on this forum. Don't you guys have your own forum to discuss. PC-BSD is far easier to configure than Ubuntu. It is much more solid.We have Ubuntu as a Desktop OS at Department of Mathematics at the University or Arizona. It is full of problems and we have six very good system administrators that also run our Debian servers flawlessly. By the way Ubuntu has a problem with keyboard mapping in VNC mode. So it is useless unless you run 6.04 version or older. This seems to me as feeding a troll. If somebody wants to use Ubuntu, OS X or Windows it is their choice but issues related to that operating systems should not be discussed hire. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....
On 9/2/07, Pollywog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 02 September 2007 23:37:49 Andrew Gould wrote: Don't feel guilty. Keep a FreeBSD server running at home while you travel! You can backup your data securely and use it remotely via tightvnc. Andrew There must be some trick to accessing a FreeBSD server via VNC. I have done it on Linux but I could not get it to work in FreeBSD. ___ I've had good luck with both vnc and tightvnc. The only tricks that I can think of are remembering the right window/port and allowing the ports through the firewall. Andrew ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Monday 03 September 2007 01:37:23 Predrag Punosevac wrote: There must be some trick to accessing a FreeBSD server via VNC. I have done it on Linux but I could not get it to work in FreeBSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no tricks? You just install VNC. Then type vncserver and you will guided to create password and given server extension. So for instance if your server name is oko.net and vnc client number 1 you will access it with vncviewer oko.net:1 To customize your vnc experience file .vnc/xstartup must be edited. You can specify Window Manager or Desktop. Your firewall must be adjusted as well. Thanks, that describes what I have done. I will try again after the next time I update ports. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....
On Monday 03 September 2007 01:46:30 Andrew Gould wrote: On 9/2/07, Pollywog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 02 September 2007 23:37:49 Andrew Gould wrote: Don't feel guilty. Keep a FreeBSD server running at home while you travel! You can backup your data securely and use it remotely via tightvnc. Andrew There must be some trick to accessing a FreeBSD server via VNC. I have done it on Linux but I could not get it to work in FreeBSD. ___ I've had good luck with both vnc and tightvnc. The only tricks that I can think of are remembering the right window/port and allowing the ports through the firewall. I did not use TightVNC, but some other VNC. I will try it again, with TightVNC thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
