Re: freebsd 7 release date :)
On 20/08/2007, at 10:47 AM, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 03:05:00PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: just for reference only: Original release planned date of 7.0 was end of Jul. But now is nearly end of Aug. So Which date you guess 7.0 will be released? :D when it will be ready. if time is more important than quality for you get simply get -current. even if not - and you would like help testing it, fetch and report problems. There was obviously no intent to challenge or apply preasure in the question so you don't need to be snippy. If you don't have any useful information or at least information you think might be useful (qualifier for my posts) then don't bother replying - at least not snippy, posts. We can afford to be civil - expecially when a civil question is asked. The person was just noting that the old guesses were no longer operable and hoping that some new best guesses might have been made. We all know these dates are very movable and for very good reasons. No one is pushing for low quality, hurried up junk. But those best guesses by people in the know about how the processes if moving along are helpful for those of use out here in the hinterland trying to make it through each day. There was nothing snippy in that post, it was just succinct. By now, people in the know have learned that it really will be done when it's done. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd 7 release date :)
On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 05:15:10PM +1000, Sam Lawrance wrote: On 20/08/2007, at 10:47 AM, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 03:05:00PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: just for reference only: Original release planned date of 7.0 was end of Jul. But now is nearly end of Aug. So Which date you guess 7.0 will be released? :D when it will be ready. if time is more important than quality for you get simply get -current. even if not - and you would like help testing it, fetch and report problems. There was obviously no intent to challenge or apply preasure in the question so you don't need to be snippy. If you don't have any useful information or at least information you think might be useful (qualifier for my posts) then don't bother replying - at least not snippy, posts. We can afford to be civil - expecially when a civil question is asked. The person was just noting that the old guesses were no longer operable and hoping that some new best guesses might have been made. We all know these dates are very movable and for very good reasons. No one is pushing for low quality, hurried up junk. But those best guesses by people in the know about how the processes if moving along are helpful for those of use out here in the hinterland trying to make it through each day. There was nothing snippy in that post, it was just succinct. By now, people in the know have learned that it really will be done when it's done. Read it from the point of view of a person who is not an insider and is seeking a little help in keeping their FreeBSD life together. When someone asks for a guess and the response sounds more like 'get out of my face' than anything with useful content, it is snippy. I could have used a stronger term. As I said, we know and even newbies can learn, with considerate explanitory responses, that no absolute date can realistically be named - that there is justifiably more concern about quality than making a particular 'release date'. But some running info on how it is going is helpful - actually reassuring, to those of us out of the loop. It needn't be anything elaborate. Anyway, the important issue here is refusing to consider the effects of the response when replying to a posted question, even when it is a somewhat unenlightened question. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd 7 release date :)
Dan Nelson wrote: In the last episode (Aug 19), Erik Norgaard said: No so fast now, after reading this I thought I'd give it a try, updated the source, buildworld then buildkernel. at installkernel i got a lot of error lines like this kldxref: file isn't dynamically-linked kldxref: file isn't dynamically-linked kldxref: file isn't dynamically-linked kldxref: file isn't dynamically-linked no idea which file it was. And booting I booted straight into gdb. (ddb I assume, not gdb?) Those are warnings, not errors, due to the installkernel running a 6.x kldxref on a 7.x kernel. Your boot problem is unrelated, and could be due to missing drivers for whatever your boot device is. OK thanks, I have previously tried booting a (older) 7-CURRENT kernel without problems, and never seen the above error, so my first conclusion was that the two were linked. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd 7 release date :)
On Aug 20, 2007, at 9:52 AMAug 20, 2007, Jerry McAllister wrote: [snip] As I said, we know and even newbies can learn, with considerate explanitory responses, that no absolute date can realistically be named - that there is justifiably more concern about quality than making a particular 'release date'. But some running info on how it is going is helpful - actually reassuring, to those of us out of the loop. It needn't be anything elaborate. Anyway, the important issue here is refusing to consider the effects of the response when replying to a posted question, even when it is a somewhat unenlightened question. IMHO, I think it would be a benefit to the community if there were a page up on the FreeBSD website that explained the release process and at least some sort of clue as to what people can expect regarding the next coming release. As many long-time FreeBSDers know, there are these pages up there, but I don't feel their new-user friendly, and they certainly are a PITA to find at times. I'm not suggesting we lay out a strict timeline, as I'd much prefer the releases when they're ready, but simply a page saying, 'Hey, FreeBSD x.y release is coming soon, we're currently working on 'blah.'' I'd even be willing to help out if needed. - Eric F Crist Secure Computing Networks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd 7 release date :)
On Aug 20, 2007, at 2:18 PMAug 20, 2007, Josh Carroll wrote: I'm not suggesting we lay out a strict timeline, as I'd much prefer the releases when they're ready, but simply a page saying, 'Hey, FreeBSD x.y release is coming soon, we're currently working on 'blah.'' Something more than what's here then? http://www.freebsd.org/releng/ Yes. Especially for people who aren't savvy to the mailing lists, that page contains virtually NO useful information. TBA is only useful if, at some point, it actually is announced. In addition, please point out to me if I'm wrong, there's no easy/readily- identifiable way to get to that page. RELENG isn't what I'd consider a user-friendly word. Really, I think my little rant here is more of a customer-service and marketing issue. So many people get upset when someone posts the when's the next release question, but there's really no end-user digestible information anywhere for those individuals to help themselves. Again, just my $.02. - Eric F Crist Secure Computing Networks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd 7 release date :)
I'm not suggesting we lay out a strict timeline, as I'd much prefer the releases when they're ready, but simply a page saying, 'Hey, FreeBSD x.y release is coming soon, we're currently working on 'blah.'' Something more than what's here then? http://www.freebsd.org/releng/ Josh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd 7 release date :)
On Aug 20, 2007, at 2:18 PMAug 20, 2007, Josh Carroll wrote: I'm not suggesting we lay out a strict timeline, as I'd much prefer the releases when they're ready, but simply a page saying, 'Hey, FreeBSD x.y release is coming soon, we're currently working on 'blah.'' Something more than what's here then? http://www.freebsd.org/releng/ Yes. Especially for people who aren't savvy to the mailing lists, that page contains virtually NO useful information. TBA is only useful if, at some point, it actually is announced. In addition, please point out to me if I'm wrong, there's no easy/readily- identifiable way to get to that page. RELENG isn't what I'd consider a user-friendly word. Really, I think my little rant here is more of a customer-service and marketing issue. So many people get upset when someone posts the when's the next release question, but there's really no end-user digestible information anywhere for those individuals to help themselves. Again, just my $.02. - Eric F Crist Secure Computing Networks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd 7 release date :)
On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 03:18:55PM -0400, Josh Carroll wrote: I'm not suggesting we lay out a strict timeline, as I'd much prefer the releases when they're ready, but simply a page saying, 'Hey, FreeBSD x.y release is coming soon, we're currently working on 'blah.'' Something more than what's here then? http://www.freebsd.org/releng/ That is helpful, especially the line that says 'June 2007Start FreeBSD 7.0 Release Process' But another line or two that indicate hoped for release window that can be updated as that changes would be helpful. The next couple of lines relating to 6.x would be enough if they had a date even as loosely approximate as '2007-3Q' or 'November 2007' or some such instead of plain 'TBA' would be helpful. If if becomes apparent that November is going to slip, plug in 'January 2008' or whatever. The caveat above is clear and could even be stated more strongly if that made people taking a stab at a date feel more comfortable. jerry Josh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd 7 release date :)
On 8/20/07, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 03:18:55PM -0400, Josh Carroll wrote: I'm not suggesting we lay out a strict timeline, as I'd much prefer the releases when they're ready, but simply a page saying, 'Hey, FreeBSD x.y release is coming soon, we're currently working on 'blah.'' Something more than what's here then? http://www.freebsd.org/releng/ That is helpful, especially the line that says 'June 2007Start FreeBSD 7.0 Release Process' But another line or two that indicate hoped for release window that can be updated as that changes would be helpful. The next couple of lines relating to 6.x would be enough if they had a date even as loosely approximate as '2007-3Q' or 'November 2007' or some such instead of plain 'TBA' would be helpful. If if becomes apparent that November is going to slip, plug in 'January 2008' or whatever. The caveat above is clear and could even be stated more strongly if that made people taking a stab at a date feel more comfortable. jerry I'm all for this useful opinion. :) -- Regards, -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri Arab Portal http://www.WeArab.Net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd 7 release date :)
Jerry McAllister wrote: On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 05:15:10PM +1000, Sam Lawrance wrote: On 20/08/2007, at 10:47 AM, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 03:05:00PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: just for reference only: Original release planned date of 7.0 was end of Jul. But now is nearly end of Aug. So Which date you guess 7.0 will be released? :D when it will be ready. if time is more important than quality for you get simply get -current. even if not - and you would like help testing it, fetch and report problems. There was obviously no intent to challenge or apply preasure in the question so you don't need to be snippy. If you don't have any useful information or at least information you think might be useful (qualifier for my posts) then don't bother replying - at least not snippy, posts. We can afford to be civil - expecially when a civil question is asked. The person was just noting that the old guesses were no longer operable and hoping that some new best guesses might have been made. We all know these dates are very movable and for very good reasons. No one is pushing for low quality, hurried up junk. But those best guesses by people in the know about how the processes if moving along are helpful for those of use out here in the hinterland trying to make it through each day. There was nothing snippy in that post, it was just succinct. By now, people in the know have learned that it really will be done when it's done. Read it from the point of view of a person who is not an insider and is seeking a little help in keeping their FreeBSD life together. When someone asks for a guess and the response sounds more like 'get out of my face' than anything with useful content, it is snippy. I could have used a stronger term. As I said, we know and even newbies can learn, with considerate explanitory responses, that no absolute date can realistically be named - that there is justifiably more concern about quality than making a particular 'release date'. But some running info on how it is going is helpful - actually reassuring, to those of us out of the loop. It needn't be anything elaborate. Anyway, the important issue here is refusing to consider the effects of the response when replying to a posted question, even when it is a somewhat unenlightened question. jerry Dear all In my question, I not meaned Freebsd release is slow or something like that :D Just want to know it release date for reference and tell it's release date to my friends who are using it also :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
freebsd 7 release date :)
just for reference only: Original release planned date of 7.0 was end of Jul. But now is nearly end of Aug. So Which date you guess 7.0 will be released? :D Tnx ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd 7 release date :)
just for reference only: Original release planned date of 7.0 was end of Jul. But now is nearly end of Aug. So Which date you guess 7.0 will be released? :D when it will be ready. if time is more important than quality for you get simply get -current. even if not - and you would like help testing it, fetch and report problems. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd 7 release date :)
On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 07:48:47PM +0700, vuthecuong wrote: just for reference only: Original release planned date of 7.0 was end of Jul. Where did you read this? But now is nearly end of Aug. So Which date you guess 7.0 will be released? :D It will be released when it's done, probably not sooner than a month. Kris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd 7 release date :)
Hello, On 8/19/07, vuthecuong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just for reference only: Original release planned date of 7.0 was end of Jul. But now is nearly end of Aug. So Which date you guess 7.0 will be released? :D Tnx FreeBSD 7.0 entered frozen status, and it has been very stable with no major bugs, you could use it safely, and enjoy the real BSD speed with FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT now ;) -- Regards, -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri Arab Portal http://www.WeArab.Net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd 7 release date :)
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Re: freebsd 7 release date :)
Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri wrote: Hello, On 8/19/07, vuthecuong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just for reference only: Original release planned date of 7.0 was end of Jul. But now is nearly end of Aug. So Which date you guess 7.0 will be released? :D Tnx FreeBSD 7.0 entered frozen status, and it has been very stable with no major bugs, you could use it safely, and enjoy the real BSD speed with FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT now ;) No so fast now, after reading this I thought I'd give it a try, updated the source, buildworld then buildkernel. at installkernel i got a lot of error lines like this kldxref: file isn't dynamically-linked kldxref: file isn't dynamically-linked kldxref: file isn't dynamically-linked kldxref: file isn't dynamically-linked no idea which file it was. And booting I booted straight into gdb. Regards, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd 7 release date :)
On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 03:05:00PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: just for reference only: Original release planned date of 7.0 was end of Jul. But now is nearly end of Aug. So Which date you guess 7.0 will be released? :D when it will be ready. if time is more important than quality for you get simply get -current. even if not - and you would like help testing it, fetch and report problems. There was obviously no intent to challenge or apply preasure in the question so you don't need to be snippy. If you don't have any useful information or at least information you think might be useful (qualifier for my posts) then don't bother replying - at least not snippy, posts. We can afford to be civil - expecially when a civil question is asked. The person was just noting that the old guesses were no longer operable and hoping that some new best guesses might have been made. We all know these dates are very movable and for very good reasons. No one is pushing for low quality, hurried up junk. But those best guesses by people in the know about how the processes if moving along are helpful for those of use out here in the hinterland trying to make it through each day. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd 7 release date :)
In the last episode (Aug 19), Erik Norgaard said: Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri wrote: Hello, On 8/19/07, vuthecuong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just for reference only: Original release planned date of 7.0 was end of Jul. But now is nearly end of Aug. So Which date you guess 7.0 will be released? :D FreeBSD 7.0 entered frozen status, and it has been very stable with no major bugs, you could use it safely, and enjoy the real BSD speed with FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT now ;) No so fast now, after reading this I thought I'd give it a try, updated the source, buildworld then buildkernel. at installkernel i got a lot of error lines like this kldxref: file isn't dynamically-linked kldxref: file isn't dynamically-linked kldxref: file isn't dynamically-linked kldxref: file isn't dynamically-linked no idea which file it was. And booting I booted straight into gdb. (ddb I assume, not gdb?) Those are warnings, not errors, due to the installkernel running a 6.x kldxref on a 7.x kernel. Your boot problem is unrelated, and could be due to missing drivers for whatever your boot device is. -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
