x11/xorg update.

2007-06-19 Thread Gary Kline

Guys,

My portupgrade -aP was stll going full tilt late this morning 
after my 27th cup of French roast, so good thing I  didn't wait.
After only 8 or 9 days, there's obv'ly been lots of mods.
Read: 'hard work' by volunteers.

The xorg.conf I created on 09jun07 was around 1K  bytes.  The 
new one is around 4 times that size.  My logs clued me in --
partly.  In /var/log/gdm/:0.log was the problem.  An (EE)
that said I was missing some required module.  I searched all 
*.ko files and even looked for the source.  NADA.  Then I
ran another X -configure.  That spat out a slew of warnings and
errors but it did create an xorg.conf.new.  It worked as a test
and today worked to bring up gdm without any errors. (!!)

I can find out my searching around what new kinds of features are
in xorg-7.x, but it looks like it has better probes at least.

So, to anybody who is dreading the xorg mess, there is hope.
FBSD is still the best open-src group in the {known:)} universe.

gary





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Re: x11/xorg update.

2007-06-19 Thread Norberto Meijome
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:50:38 -0700
Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   The xorg.conf I created on 09jun07 was around 1K  bytes.  The 
   new one is around 4 times that size.  My logs clued me in --
   partly.  In /var/log/gdm/:0.log was the problem.  An (EE)
   that said I was missing some required module. 

this probably was due to your old xorg.conf having the wrong paths in it. The
errors should be pretty obvious, otherwise using xorgcfg should make a good one
and you can, at least, use it to compare the differences.

good to hear u're back into X :) 

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Re: x11/xorg update.

2007-06-19 Thread Gary Kline
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 11:17:43PM +1000, Norberto Meijome wrote:
 On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:50:38 -0700
 Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  The xorg.conf I created on 09jun07 was around 1K  bytes.  The 
  new one is around 4 times that size.  My logs clued me in --
  partly.  In /var/log/gdm/:0.log was the problem.  An (EE)
  that said I was missing some required module. 
 
 this probably was due to your old xorg.conf having the wrong paths in it. The
 errors should be pretty obvious, otherwise using xorgcfg should make a good 
 one
 and you can, at least, use it to compare the differences.


Ah, this is the new scriptthat creates xorg.conf, correct?
A bit easier than typing X -configure and messing with the 
/root files.  What I don't understand is all the output about
missing modules to stderr.  ...but  ... .

 
 good to hear u're back into X :) 
 

Me too!

gary


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Re: x11/xorg update.

2007-06-19 Thread Daniel Bye

Gary Kline wrote:

On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 11:17:43PM +1000, Norberto Meijome wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:50:38 -0700
Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

	The xorg.conf I created on 09jun07 was around 1K  bytes.  The 
	new one is around 4 times that size.  My logs clued me in --

partly.  In /var/log/gdm/:0.log was the problem.  An (EE)
	that said I was missing some required module. 

this probably was due to your old xorg.conf having the wrong paths in it. The
errors should be pretty obvious, otherwise using xorgcfg should make a good one
and you can, at least, use it to compare the differences.



Ah, this is the new scriptthat creates xorg.conf, correct?
	A bit easier than typing X -configure and messing with the 
	/root files.  What I don't understand is all the output about

missing modules to stderr.  ...but  ... .


Which modules does it say are missing? I went through a very similar 
situation earlier today, where the X log file reported that mouse and 
kbd modules were not found. A bit of dragging through the ports tree, 
and I found that they are installed as ports in their own right these 
days. I'm not certain why they didn't get installed as part of the huge 
Xorg upgrade as detailed in UPDATING, but installing them by hand made 
the errors go away.


So, the moral of the story is, I suppose, if you're happy that all your 
paths are correct in your xorg.conf, and that you have followed Kris' 
upgrade instructions, try looking for an individual port that installs 
the missing module.


HTH.

Dan
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Re: x11/xorg update.

2007-06-19 Thread Norberto Meijome
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:44:23 -0700
Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Ah, this is the new scriptthat creates xorg.conf, correct?

Hi Gary,

man script 
(not related with X)

AFAIK, xorgcfg has been around since Xorg has existed. and before that, 
xfree86cfg (which has existed since 1995 at least). btw, if you replace 'cfg' 
with 'conf' you get a text-based version of the same tool, in case the 
autodetect doesnt work.

   A bit easier than typing X -configure and messing with the 
   /root files.  What I don't understand is all the output about
   missing modules to stderr.  ...but  ... .

It would do it if you start X by hand (as opposed to start it via /etc/ttys 
with XDM or via gdm/kdm)...it would put all the info in /var/log/Xorg.0.log too.

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Re: x11/xorg update.

2007-06-19 Thread Gary Kline
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 08:33:07PM +0100, Daniel Bye wrote:
 Gary Kline wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 11:17:43PM +1000, Norberto Meijome wrote:
 On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:50:38 -0700
 Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
The xorg.conf I created on 09jun07 was around 1K  bytes.  The 
new one is around 4 times that size.  My logs clued me in --
partly.  In /var/log/gdm/:0.log was the problem.  An (EE)
that said I was missing some required module. 
 this probably was due to your old xorg.conf having the wrong paths in it. 
 The
 errors should be pretty obvious, otherwise using xorgcfg should make a 
 good one
 and you can, at least, use it to compare the differences.
 
 
  Ah, this is the new scriptthat creates xorg.conf, correct?
  A bit easier than typing X -configure and messing with the 
  /root files.  What I don't understand is all the output about
  missing modules to stderr.  ...but  ... .
 
 Which modules does it say are missing? I went through a very similar 
 situation earlier today, where the X log file reported that mouse and 
 kbd modules were not found.


Yes, the err mentioned something about the mouse as well. I 
figured the file would stay in /var/log/dgm/ so I didn't save.  
I had planned to go back and grab the error output and re-create
the stderr's from the   X -configure.  But when everything had 
been portupgraded (-aP),  everything Just Worked.  The error file
was missing, and I launched full-tilt into getting thngs back up.


 A bit of dragging through the ports tree, 
 and I found that they are installed as ports in their own right these 
 days. I'm not certain why they didn't get installed as part of the huge 
 Xorg upgrade as detailed in UPDATING, but installing them by hand made 
 the errors go away.

For me, I had to re portupgrade -aP at least four times.  Maybe
last night was the 5th.  And the symlink script took several runs
before tehrer was in /usr, X11R6 - /usr/local  ...  
 
 So, the moral of the story is, I suppose, if you're happy that all your 
 paths are correct in your xorg.conf, and that you have followed Kris' 
 upgrade instructions, try looking for an individual port that installs 
 the missing module.

I will run xorgcfg (sp?) and another X -configure in, oh, 30
years.  Next time I powercycle the new server :-)  No missing 
modules tihs time, thankfully.

We've had it relatively easy, as users, I think.  I's beeen on
the other side, so hat's off to the ports guys.

gary

 
 HTH.
 
 Dan
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Re: x11/xorg update.

2007-06-19 Thread Andriy Babiy
  Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The xorg.conf I created on 09jun07 was around 1K  bytes.  The
  new one is around 4 times that size.  My logs clued me in --
  partly.  In /var/log/gdm/:0.log was the problem.  An (EE)
  that said I was missing some required module.
 
  this probably was due to your old xorg.conf having the wrong paths in
  it. The errors should be pretty obvious, otherwise using xorgcfg
  should make a good one and you can, at least, use it to compare the
  differences.
 
    Ah, this is the new scriptthat creates xorg.conf, correct?
    A bit easier than typing X -configure and messing with the
    /root files.  What I don't understand is all the output about
    missing modules to stderr.  ...but  ... .

 Which modules does it say are missing? I went through a very similar
 situation earlier today, where the X log file reported that mouse and
 kbd modules were not found. A bit of dragging through the ports tree,
 and I found that they are installed as ports in their own right these
 days. I'm not certain why they didn't get installed as part of the huge
 Xorg upgrade as detailed in UPDATING, but installing them by hand made
 the errors go away.

 So, the moral of the story is, I suppose, if you're happy that all your
 paths are correct in your xorg.conf, and that you have followed Kris'
 upgrade instructions, try looking for an individual port that installs
 the missing module.

I had the same problem. But it was my mistake. Are you sure you had 
x11/xorg meta port installed before you started upgrading xorg? I didn't. 
After I got into trouble, I installed the meta port, so it added all the 
modules xorg was missing, and it fixed everything.

Andriy
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Re: x11/xorg update.

2007-06-19 Thread Gary Kline
On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 12:01:56PM +1000, Norberto Meijome wrote:
 On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:44:23 -0700
 Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Ah, this is the new scriptthat creates xorg.conf, correct?
 
 Hi Gary,
 
 man script 
 (not related with X)


Right; did use it last time.
But them I fergot i was in script; finaaly I ^D out of it, then I
forgot what I'd named it... .
 
 AFAIK, xorgcfg has been around since Xorg has existed. and before that, 
 xfree86cfg (which has existed since 1995 at least). btw, if you replace 'cfg' 
 with 'conf' you get a text-based version of the same tool, in case the 
 autodetect doesnt work.
 
  A bit easier than typing X -configure and messing with the 
  /root files.  What I don't understand is all the output about
  missing modules to stderr.  ...but  ... .
 
 It would do it if you start X by hand (as opposed to start it via /etc/ttys 
 with XDM or via gdm/kdm)...it would put all the info in /var/log/Xorg.0.log 
 too.
 

Ok, that's why  nothing was in X.org.0.log, then last night.  I
kept trying the X disp manager or kdm, or gdm.  


I remrmber configuring X back in v2.0.5 ith xfree86conf.  and *cfg when
it'd work.
Yet another hassle last night was settingthe hardware of this Hitachi. 8
or 10 buttons and two hours of mucking-with, i'm pretty close.   There used
to be an GUI program to fine tune your CRT.  Sometime RSN I'm going to
buy an LCD display and lighten my carbon footprint by 50 tons/year!

(*mumble*)



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