Re: clearing space

2005-01-07 Thread Tabor Kelly
Peter Risdon wrote:
How about:
#mv /sbin /usr/sbin
#ln -s /usr/sbin /sbin
#mv /root /usr/root
#ln -s /usr/root /root
Isn't this a bad idea if you ever have to boot to single user mode and 
only have / mounted?

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Re: clearing space

2005-01-07 Thread Tabor Kelly
Peter Risdon wrote:
snip
#mv /sbin /usr/sbin
#ln -s /usr/sbin /sbin
 

I have a system I need to hose this weekend anyway, so checked first. I
moved the /root directory to /usr/root, then exited from su - and su
still worked. Then I rebooted into single user mode and got a shell. So
it seemed fine, if mildly inadvisable.
Therefore, as far as I can see and I did check, you can boot into single
user mode without a /root directory.
Peter.
I was in reference to the /sbin moving to /usr/sbin.
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Re: Device Perms in 5.3

2005-01-07 Thread Tabor Kelly
Kris Kennaway wrote:
On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 02:54:28PM -0800, Karl Agee wrote:
I want to use 5.3 as a desktop system, but I am having some problems with 
device permissions.  Since devfs re-creates devices on boot I have to redo 
the perms everytime I want to use these devices.  Listening to audio cd's, 
watching dvd's or burning cd's/dvd's.  Gets a little annoying.

How can I peg device permissions the way I want them...other than using 
it on a daily basis as root?

man devfs
Kris
Or you could write a script to do it every time you boot. But 'man 
devfs' will probably tell you the correct way to do it.

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Re: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes.

2005-01-07 Thread Tabor Kelly
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
snip
5) many issues with getting Apache mod-SSL running properly with a
self-signed
key  (you have to generate it manually with openssl, the apache docs that
say use make key or whatnot don't work)
I am not doubting you that this was an issue. But it is now documented 
quite nicely in the mod_ssl faq 
(http://www.modssl.org/docs/2.8/ssl_faq.html). Also (as a side note), I 
use CAcert (http://www.cacert.org) for my key signing needs.

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Re: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes.

2005-01-09 Thread Tabor Kelly
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
snip
Pointless for us, as CAcert's root certificate isn't included in I.E., so
the
end users have to go through the same honky-tonk to include it in their
browsers as if you just make your own certs.
 

Not quite. If they include the CA-Cert root certificate, they only have 
to do that once for all of your CA-Cert signed certificates.

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Re: Upgraded to Xorg 6.8.1 and some icons broke in Window Maker 0.91.0

2005-01-10 Thread Tabor Kelly
Tabor Kelly wrote:
Dave Horsfall wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005, Tabor Kelly wrote:
Of note: I have an Intel i810 video chipset and Xorg 6.8.1 broke 
the driver for it, but I set NoAccel in my xorg.conf file and that 
was supposed to take care of it (now X at least starts). Does anyone 
think this could be related to my specific hardware?

Could be; grab the latest Xorg from CVS, as a fix to the 810 driver 
(6.8.1_1) was committed yesterday.

Apparently the bug is in libtiff 3.7.1, but I will upgrade xorg because 
it is very slow with NoAccel. Thanks everyone.

I upgraded to libtiff 3.7.1_2 today, and it fixed the problem.
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Re: bash version?

2005-01-11 Thread Tabor Kelly
Duane Winner wrote:
Hi all,
I use bash instead of the default csh shell that is part of FreeBSD world.
I am revising my in-house installation manual for FreeBSD 5.3, and it 
just came my attention that there is (actually has been I guess) bash 
version 3 available as a port.

But FreeBSD appears to want to use 2.05b as the default.
Does anybody know of any good reason why I should stick to 2.05b? I 
would like to use the latest stable version, but I don't want to go to 
version 3 if there are any issues that might bite me in the butt or if 
it will disrupt any other FreeBSD convention/issue that I don't know about.

Looking at the the gnu bash site, I don't see any reason *not* to go to 
version 3, but I tend to let any FreeBSD considerations trump others 
when coming up with installation standards.

Thanks for any info,
cheers,
DW
shells/bash (in ports) is now 3.0. Maybe there just isn't a 
(pre-compiled) package yet.

I use 3.0 on my 5.3 system, and I am still using 2.05b on my 4.9 system. 
I haven't actually noticed any differences.

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Re: Thank you!

2005-01-13 Thread Tabor Kelly
Boris Spirialitious wrote:
snip
It's like Dave Horsfall wrote:
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   ||__|| |   |Please do not|
  /   O O\__  |   feed the  |
 /  \ | Trolls  |
/  \ \|_|
   /   _\ \  ||
  /|\\ \ ||
 / | | | |\/ ||
/   \|_|_|/   | _||
   /  /  \|| ||
  /   |   |   |  --|
  |   |   |   |  --|
   * _|  |_|_|_|  | \-/
*-- _--\ _ \  |  ||
  /  _ \\|/  `
*  /   \_ /- |   |   |
  *  ___ c_c_c_C/ \C_c_c_c
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Re: Backups / Dump etc

2005-01-14 Thread Tabor Kelly
Jeff MacDonald wrote:
snip
On a related note:
If I want to do complete dumps of all of my file systems do I need to be 
in single user mode? Will running in multiuser mode (with all of my 
normal daemons running) mess up my dumps?

Thank You.
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Re: Backups / Dump etc

2005-01-14 Thread Tabor Kelly
John wrote:
snip
Thanks for the _excellent_ reply. Please do submit it to the handbook.
I am actually running 4.10R on all of my servers (5.3R on my desktops). 
I will probably boot into single user mode in the middle of the night, 
the worst that will happen is that some people can't get to my web site 
and that a little mail gets delayed.

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Re: boot up notification

2005-01-14 Thread Tabor Kelly
Jim Pazarena wrote:
snip
In rc.local:
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Re: Download from Windows

2005-01-14 Thread Tabor Kelly
Jeff Spector wrote:
Thanks to all of you who responded. I am newbie to FreeBSD and UNIX so I 
may be asking some silly questions. I will try to burn it again and 
check the parameters. Perhaps I did not mount my cd to the /CDROM folder 
correctly and that is why I can not ls the file. Thanks again
You should use something like this:
mount -t cd9660 /dev/acd0 /cdrom
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Re: I need a cuppa...

2005-01-15 Thread Tabor Kelly
Jonathan Chen wrote:
On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 09:06:17PM -0600, John wrote:
OK, I must be dumb as a rock, because this has to have been discussed
and documented 16 ways from Sunday, but I've looked in the FAQ,
and looked in the Handbook, and I've gone through my copy of the
latest edition of _The Complete FreeBSD_, but I simply do NOT get
how to get Java support for FreeBSD.  I don't need the JDK, unless
that's the only way to get a viable JRE.

You can't get a separate 1.4+ JRE for FreeBSD, you need to install the
JDK; the JDK is available as a port in java/jdk14.
Cheers.
But make sure you have linprocfs mounted before you try to build it (and 
obviously linux emulation).

PS- Linux emulation is for bootstrapping purposes. java/jdk14 requires 
java/linux-sun-jdk14 to compile, afterwards java/linux-sun-jdk14 can be 
safely removed.

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Re: 5.3 Install

2005-01-15 Thread Tabor Kelly
Lyn Robie wrote:
Rarely have I found such an amateurish installation procedure.  It's obv-
 ious you guys are hard put to find anyone competent in the user
 nterfaces.  And after such snobbishly rave reviews for FreeBSD on the
 web I was expecting better.  I installed on an HP533 I386 with the X
 Developer package and then discover that the kernel doesn't include
 the drivers needed for the Intel 845 graphics chip.  Ahem.  Not 
exactly the
 rarest beast in the jungle.  It's perfectly clear to me that you guys
 are not into winning converts from the Linux camp.  I suppose you can 
draw
 some cold comfort from knowing your distro installation is so obscure
 and bugridden that no one outside of the few grizzled old graybeard unix
 administrators will be able to make a system run.

1. Please break your lines around 72 characters.
2. I am using an i845 as I type to compose this message.
3. There is no kernel driver for the i845, I assume you want X?
4. X lives in user land, not kernel land, and the i845 is well supported 
by both XFree86 4.4.0 and XOrg 6.8.1 (as well as XOrg 6.7.0 for that 
matter).

5. FreeBSD is focused more at servers than desktops, as suck we aren't 
trying to win over the Linux crowd.

6. I am running FreeBSD on my Dell Inspiron 1100 laptop because I have 
found it more stable and secure than Linux or Windows. Also, I prefer 
the port system to the packages systems found on most Linux distros (I 
came from Debian).

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Re: programming languages and visual programming under FreeBSD

2005-01-17 Thread Tabor Kelly
koen de wijs wrote:
Hallo, I'm just new wtih unix and FreeBSD and I have a question about 
programming languages, I want to learn some of them but don't know where 
to start.
C, it was the first programming language that I learned, so I may be a 
little biased. However, it is not that hard to learn, and tied closely 
enough with the hardware that you will probably learn some things about 
hardware as you go.

I heard that C is the most powerfull language under unix and almost the 
complete system is written under it.
You can do everything with it. Where is a good toturial?
I don't remember what book I used to learn it. Right now I have the 
O'Reilly book _Practical C Programming_, but I don't know if it is as 
good as it could be.

If you decide that you want to learn C++ instead, I like _Using C++_ but 
my wife says _C++ Primer Plus_.

Can you read and write directly with the printer port or does the 
kernell block that?? I got a programm from someone that putted some 
assmebler in his c programm to adress the printer port.
And where can I find an overview of all the *.h files that you can use 
under FreeBSD
As others have noted, don't do this.
snip: stuff I don't know the answer to
The other languages that I know are:
Perl, I could only find that it is especially for tasks for your system 
and that it's based on C
Shell scripts, for tasks for your systems and simple programms
Python.
Good, I think you will find that knowing Perl and C is a very good 
combination.

What are the advantages of these languages above C...
Faster development time... for example string manipulation of any sort 
in C is far more difficult than Perl. However, their are some things 
that you can do in C far more efficiently than in a higher level language.

PS- Java is a nice language if you want to learn something purely object 
oriented. However, some people object to Sun's politics.

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Re: Building quasi-full vim

2005-01-18 Thread Tabor Kelly
José de Paula wrote:
snip
You want editors/vim-lite.
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Re: Which Way to Partition.

2005-01-21 Thread Tabor Kelly
Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
On Friday, 21 January 2005 at 22:14:13 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
On  Friday, January 21, 2005 9:28 PM, stheg olloydson wrote:
snip
BTW, having GNU/Linux - Freedom in your sig file when posting to a
*BSD list is a bit of a _faux pas_, wouldn't you agree?
Probably not as much as a faux pas as posting the same message TWICE,
stheg,
snip
None of the above help improve the standard of the channel.
A few weeks back we discussed closing down the FreeBSD-newbies mailing
list, because just about everything on it is a technical questions.
One of the biggest objections was but the people on -questions are so
unfriendly.
Can we try to change that?
Indeed. My first post to this email list (since I have been back from a 
3 year hiatus) was a question about the infamous portsdb -uU/portupgrade 
-uU segfault. My reward for coming back to this list was an angry email 
from Don Novello ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).

Also, if you are going to tell people that they posted duplicate 
messages, do you need to send that to the whole email list? If you send 
it to the whole list, you are wasting just as much bandwidth as the guy 
who accidentally sent his message twice, except you are doing it on purpose.

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Re: port update problem - newbie

2005-01-22 Thread Tabor Kelly
saravanan ganapathy wrote:
snip
--- Erik Norgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since I am very new to freebsd, I am not sure abt the
ports collections which I don't want.
Since you are new, I will give you some (ports) advice:
1. Always update all of your ports so that you can use portupgrade.
2. Use portupgrade.
3. Read /usr/ports/UPDATING if you want things to go smoothly.
4. If you forget step 3, and step 3 happens to have some bad news in it 
(usually pertaining to gettext), 'portupgrade -rRf [some port]' can work 
wonders.
5. Don't forget to do a 'portsdb -uU' after cvsup'ing your ports.

My quick start to portupgrade: 
http://tabor.taborandtashell.net/serversetup/ports.html
Where I learned about portupgrade:
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/28/FreeBSD_Basics.html

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Re: JDK 1.5 and 5.3

2005-01-24 Thread Tabor Kelly
Andrew Hall wrote:
snip
Any idea about the missing browser plugin?
Which browser? For Firefox one way to get a functional Java plugin is 
simply to install the JDK before you build Firefox.

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Re: vesa,/i810, Dell gx270 and Intel 82865G Graphics

2005-01-25 Thread Tabor Kelly
Damian Sobieralski wrote:
 I extracted the 865patch and ran it before firing up X (865patch 32768
nocheck) and I am currently typing this in 16 bit color mode at
1024x768.  Thanks for all those who emailed me with help.  

I love the FreeBSD community!
Out of curiosity, what version of Xorg are you using? I have an i810 and 
it works fine with Xorg 6.8.1. Note: I know mine is one of the affected 
i840 cards.

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Re: C Language Style Guide

2005-01-25 Thread Tabor Kelly
Michael Madden wrote:
Is there an accepted standard C language style guide.  I'm starting to develop
and test my applications on FreeBSD, and I want to ensure my code is readable
and maintainable.  I've been able to find specific project's guidelines like
the following, but I can find a general standard.  Does ANSI or POSIX dictate
anything about style or coding standards?
Apache: http://httpd.apache.org/dev/styleguide.html
GNU: http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/
Thanks,
Mike
Giorgos Keramidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] pointed out that their is a 
 FreeBSD style guide. There is also a GNU style guide, 
(http://www.nongnu.org/style-guide/) but the GNU people point out that 
what is more important than following their guide, it maintaining 
consistency within 1 project/product.

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Re: reboot DURING a portupgrade

2005-01-30 Thread Tabor Kelly
Ben Haysom wrote:
Hi
I am running FBSD 5.3-CURRENT on a Duron 700Mhz 384Mb RAM.
When I do (as root)
#portupgrade -a
it comes back with:
Stale dependency: acroread-5.10_1 -- linux_base-8-8.0_6 -- manually
run 'pkgdb -F' to fix, or specify -O to force.
So I do
#portupgrade -a -O
and *everytime* it reboots itself before the portupgrade is complete.
Not a clean reboot though - it doesn't dismount filesystems before it goes.
I can't work out what it's doing.
There is nothing relevant in /var/log/messages.
Can anyone help?
Ben.
Like Karol Kwiatkowski suggested, I would say you have about a 99% 
chance this is a hardware failure. In addition to what Karol suggested, 
it could also be a faulty power supply. Also, I would say look into the 
hardware in this order:

1. RAM
2. Power Supply
3. CPU
Note: The above is just my personal opinion.
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Re: Openoffice startup question

2005-02-06 Thread Tabor Kelly
Ned Harrison wrote:
I installed openoffice-1.1.4 via using pkg_add on a package pulled down from 
the FreeBSD web cite.  It installed with only two minor warnings regarding 
out of date packages.  Those have been upgraded and pkgdb -F fixed the 
dependencies.

However, the initiall set up instructions don't seam to work.  When I type 
openoffice, I get Command not found for a response.  It doesn't matter 
whether I enter the command as an ordinary user or as root.  This is true 
even when I move to /usr/local/bin where there are several openoffice files.

Any suggestions on what to do next would be appreciated.
thanks,
Ned
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Re: Very general shutdown question

2005-02-06 Thread Tabor Kelly
Ned Harrison wrote:
I run FreeBSD 5.3 on my home PC in a stand alone machine as a desktop.   Is it 
possible to set it up so an ordinary user can shut the system?  I've created 
a couple of accounts that are not in the wheel group so I can give friends 
and house guests the chance to play on a non-Microsoft system.   I don't want 
to give them root access just to shut it down.

None of the books which I have discuss using FreeBSD in this way.  They are 
mostly geared to setting up networks running it for businesses.  Areas where 
one may not want an ordinary user to be able to shutdown the machine.  
However, I prefer having the machine off when I'm not on it.  If it's not 
possible that fine I can continue working around it like I do now.

Thank you
Ned
As you have probably noticed, their are lots of ways to do this. IMHO 
the easiest would be a SUID root script. That is a script owned by root 
that has the SUID (set user id) bit set. It should have one line: 'halt' 
(or whatever 'shutdown -*' you want).

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Re: Very general shutdown question

2005-02-07 Thread Tabor Kelly
Well thanks, too bad I was planning on using those to make my backup 
jobs easier. Anyway, here is a quick C program to accomplish the same 
thing:

/* main.c */
#include unistd.h
#include stdlib.h
int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
extern char **environ;
execve(/sbin/halt, argv, environ);
return EXIT_SUCCESS; /* note: we never actually get here */
}
to compile it, but type 'gcc main.c'
then copy a.out to /halt
then 'chown root:wheel /halt'
then 'chmod a+s /halt'
But when I got done writing and testing the program, I thought to myself:
Why not just set /sbin/halt to SUID root?
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Re: GTK vs QT

2005-02-08 Thread Tabor Kelly
Gert Cuykens wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 03:39:05 +, Mick Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why would you make a statement like that without making points to back
it up?

because i dont have points except that qt can kiss my $$$ :)
no i am just wondering what you guy's think thats all i lookt around
on the internet a bit but that was old stuff about gtk1 and so.
I have read the QT is far more efficient and that the only reason anyone 
uses GTK is for licensing reasons. Any comments? Also, not to mention 
that QT is fully portable to M$ Windows.

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portsdb -Uu Segmentation fault

2004-11-11 Thread Tabor Kelly
Hello,
This is on a Pentium-II running FreeBSD 4.10R, portupgrade-20040701_3, 
ruby-1.8.2.p2_1, and ruby18-bdb1-0.2.2. Here is what I did:

$ pkgdb -F
$ cvsup ports-supfile
$ portsdb -Uu
And here is the output I get from portsdb:
Updating the ports index ... Generating INDEX.tmp - please wait.. Done.
done
[Updating the portsdb format:bdb1_btree in /usr/ports ... - 11939 port 
entries found 
.1000.2000.3000.4000.5000
.6000.7000.8000../usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/portsdb.rb:587: 
[BUG] Segmentation fault
ruby 1.8.2 (2004-07-29) [i386-freebsd4]

Abort trap (core dumped)
I did a google search, and found a bunch of people had a similar problem 
(Bus Error, not Segmentation fault) in early September, but I didn't 
notice what (portupgrade/ruby/the ports tree) was actually the problem.

What really stumps me is that I have 2 other servers that have the same 
version of FreeBSD, Ruby and Portupgrade installed that work fine.

Any help would be much appreciated.
Thank You,
Tabor Kelly
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Re: portsdb -Uu Segmentation fault

2004-11-11 Thread Tabor Kelly
Tabor Kelly wrote:
This has been discussed DOZENS of times on this list including TODAY.

What do you think the archives are for?!

Sorry, I will look harder. Like I said, I found a lot of people having
the problem (in the archives), I didn't find anyone explaining what
causes the problem or how to fix it.
Again, Sorry.

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Re: port/firefox-1.0,1 : Proper method of having side-by-side libraries?

2004-11-12 Thread Tabor Kelly
I don't know what the proper method is. I do know that I upgraded 
firefox from 0.93 to 1.0 via ports with 'portupgrade -rR firefox' (and 
it worked).

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How to start a daemon (specifically svnserve) as a specific user in /etc/rc.local

2004-11-14 Thread Tabor Kelly
Hello,
I just installed subversion, and I want to start the standalone 
subversion server (svnserve) on every reboot. The command I need to 
execute is:

svnserve -d -r /usr/local/repositories
I created a user called subversiond, with the shell in /etc/passwd set 
to /nonexistent. If I am logged into the system, I can use the following 
commands to start the subversion server as subversiond:

su -m subversiond
svnserve -d -r /usr/local/repositories
exit
However, I have not had any luck automating this. What I tried was placing:
/usr/local/repositories/subversiond.sh
in /etc/rc.local, and creating the following executable file 
/usr/local/repositories/subversiond.sh:

#!/bin/sh
umask 022 #just to make sure
su -m subversiond
svnserve -d -r /usr/local/repositories
exit #note: I added these exit's when the script
exit #   didn't work without them, but it still doesn't work
However, if I reboot and do a 'ps -axu | grep subversiond' the only 
process that I see is _su -m (csh).

I would appreciate any help/pointers you could give me.
Thank You,
Tabor Kelly
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Re: How to start a daemon (specifically svnserve) as a specificuser in /etc/rc.local

2004-11-14 Thread Tabor Kelly
Well, I fixed my problem, I changed my /etc/rc.local file to:
su -m subversiond -c 'svnserve -d -r /usr/local/repositories'
However, I still don't know why my other method wasn't working.
-Tabor
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Re: Portupgrade seg. fault

2004-11-16 Thread Tabor Kelly
Michael Shafae wrote:
Hi,
I have a FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE-p2 system which I have installed  
portupgrade--20040701_3, ruby-1.8.2.p2_1, and ruby18-bdb1-0.2.2.

Previously upgrading ports were effortless with portupgrade. Today, I  
first CVSUP'ed the ports tree, read /usr/ports/CHANGES and ran `make  
index`. Then I tried to upgrade various ports and it all failed with  
portupgrade seg-faulting.

For example:
[188] [13:15]lou% sudo portupgrade tiff
[Failed `Inappropriate file type or format'] [Updating the portsdb  
format:bdb1_btree in /usr/ports ... - 11959 port entries found  
.1000.2000.3000.4000.5000... 
./usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/portsdb.rb:587: [BUG] Segmentation  
fault
ruby 1.8.2 (2004-07-29) [i386-freebsd4]

Abort (core dumped)
Check (http://tabor.taborandtashell.net/serversetup/ports.html), it is 
one of the three things addressed on this page.
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No output from Kernel Booting Up or /dev/console

2004-11-18 Thread Tabor Kelly
% to 12.5%), currently 100.0%
acd0: CDRW HL-DT-STCD-RW/DVD-ROM GCC-4241N/A100 at ata0-master UDMA33
ad2: 19077MB IC25N020ATMR04-0/MO1OAD0A [38760/16/63] at ata1-master
UDMA100
Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad2s1a
More info: Other than this, my computer still works fine. I have tried 
this with and without /boot/loader.conf, which has one line:

linux_load=YES
Thanks For Any Help You Can Give Me,
Tabor Kelly
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Re: No output from Kernel Booting Up or /dev/console

2004-11-18 Thread Tabor Kelly
Ash wrote:
[snip]
Well, I looked and looked for what was wrong, and I was 100% sure it 
wasn't anything in the /boot directory. However, just to be sure I 
copied everything in /boot and /boot/default from another FreeBSD 5.3R 
system I had, and it started working again.

I have no idea what file it was or how it got changed, but thanks Ash.
-Tabor
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Re: No output from Kernel Booting Up or /dev/console

2004-11-19 Thread Tabor Kelly
Tabor Kelly wrote:
[snip]
I have no idea what file it was or how it got changed, but thanks Ash.
I figured out what I did. I overwrote the default /boot/device.hints 
with the 4 lines in my original email (I didn't realize there was a 
default /boot/device.hints). This was all accomplished with the 
wrechless use of cat  device.hints I guess I learned an important lesson.

-Tabor
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Re: Yep - Firefox again.

2004-11-19 Thread Tabor Kelly
Kirk Strauser wrote:
I can't get Firefox to start.  I'm on a 5.3 system with all ports rebuilt on 
November 8, so there shouldn't be an obsolete library issues.  I've 
completely removed ~/.mozilla.  I initially tested with Firefox built from 
the port, but have also tried installing the pre-built package.  When run 
as root (after deleting /root/.mozilla), I get:

# firefox
*** nsExtensionManager::_disableObsoleteExtensions - failure, catching 
exception so finalize window can close
*** loading the extensions datasource
*** loading the extensions datasource

and then nothing more.  I don't know what else to try.  Any thoughts?
This happened to me, but only _after_ I ran firefox as root once.
My shameless hack to fix this was to:
$ cd /usr/X11R6/lib/firefox
$ rm -R *
$ portupgrade -f firefox
However now every time I start firefox it says:
 Extension System Warning: Failed to set up default extensions files
 probably because you do not have write privileges to this location.
 While you can run Firefox like this, it is recommended that you run it
 at least once with privileges that allow it to generate these initial
 files to improve start performance. Running from a disk image on MacOS
 X is not recommended.*** loading the extensions data source
But, firefox works. I am just careful to never run it with root priveledges.
-Tabor
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Re: Diskless Servers

2004-11-21 Thread Tabor Kelly
Evan Sayer wrote:
Hello-
Is it a good idea to run a mail server or web server diskless?  The 
reason I want to do this is so that all of our server's files will be in 
one place which will make backups more convenient.  Basically I am 
thinking of running one NFS/TFTP file server with disks, and those disks 
will contain the partitions for a web server, a mail server, and a login 
server which will all boot diskless.  Is this safe and ok performance 
wise?  Thanks.
So, mbox format mail files can not be run over NFS because NFS does not 
implement posix standard file locking. You could run courier or qmail 
with maildir however. I use a patched version of qmail (and I love it), 
your can read about my experiences here (please note, I haven't quite 
finished this document yet and it is still a little rough around the 
edges): (http://tabor.taborandtashell.net/serversetup/qmail.html).

As for a web server, I don't know of any file locking problems, although 
for some specific implementations I would presume that they would pop up 
(ex: anything to do with a Berkley DB).

So, in short the answer to your question is: depends.
Note: I am not an expert unix system administrator, nor have I ever had 
a disk less server, I have however been monkeying with unix for about 8 
years now.

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Re: realtek rl0 not working with dchp

2004-11-27 Thread Tabor Kelly
arden wrote:
hi folks 

Im setting up an extra box on my home dchp network to use as an internet
station it just will not pick up an ip address by dchp even when nothing
else is on the network i can manually assign an ip with ifconfig so 

pretty sure its detected ok also tried 3 different linux distros and get
the same prob with this card 

the case is compact (built into the monitor) so a different nic is not
an option 

Arden
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I am no expert, but try:
# dhclient -v rl0
and post the output.
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Re: ACPI kills USB mouse

2004-12-02 Thread Tabor Kelly
Robert William Vesterman wrote:
Hi,
I've been having a hard time getting my USB mouse to work.  Tonight, I 
accidentally booted without ACPI support, and the USB mouse magically 
worked.  I tried booting with and without ACPI support several times 
thereafter, and each time, the USB mouse worked if and only if I 
hadn't booted with ACPI support.

Is this a known problem? Is there a workaround? Is there any sort of 
information I can gather that might help to narrow down the problem?

This is with 5.3-RELEASE, by the way.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Bob Vesterman.

It is known (at least by myself) that the FreeBSD ACPI support can break
all sorts of things if it doesn't happen to agree with your hardware. I
think the known workaround is booting with support disabled.
-Tabor Kelly
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Re: Can't boot normally - syslog?

2004-12-04 Thread Tabor Kelly
Edward Carmody wrote:
Hi,
Running a 5.2.1-Current box.  After we suffered a power outage, and the UPS went
offline, the FBSD shut down ugly.
I get the usual messages scrolling by when I try to boot, but as soon as the
drive gets mounted, I see nothing but zillions of scrolling messages without
newlines:
=
logmsg: pri 166, flags 17, from oberon,g
=
over and over again.  I've let this run like this for an hour, and it shows no
indication of stopping.  :(
I've booted into single-user mode, ran fsck, let it fix some inconsistencies it
found, but when I try to reboot normally, I still get the same logmsgs over and
over again.
Looks like syslog is looping, but I've no idea how to start fixing this.
Any pointers in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
Ed Carmody
Not to poke fun at your situation, but have you considered a fresh 
install of 5.3? In the end it may take you less time than fixing your 
install of 5.2.1.

-Tabor Kelly
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Re: 5.3: cant install openoffice 1.1 from ports

2004-12-06 Thread Tabor Kelly
Simon Burke wrote:
I've recently done a fresh install of 5.3, i updated ports using cvsup
to install gnome2.8, which im using know, great.
Problem is that it wont allow me to compile openoffice properly, i
cant give an error message as  its about 7hrs in i  get the message
and i've since made clean.
Does anyone know if it is broken? or how i can get an openoffice
release installed, as 1.0 is apparentlyu broken according to ports and
1.1 wont compile sucessfully.
Neither can I, I am also running FreeBSD 5.3R, and I attempted to 
install OpenOffice 1.1 via 'portinstall openoffice'

Here is the error that I got:
snip build output
Making:
../../unxfbsd.pro/slo/com_sun_star_lib_connections_pipe_PipeConnection.obj
gcc32 -w -c -I.  -I. -I../inc -I../../inc -I../../unx/inc 
-I../../unxfbsd.pro/inc -I. 
-I/usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1/work/OOo_1.1.3_src/solver/645/unxfbsd.pro/inc/dont_use_stl 
-I/usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1/work/OOo_1.1.3_src/solver/645/unxfbsd.pro/inc/external 
-I/usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1/work/OOo_1.1.3_src/solver/645/unxfbsd.pro/inc 
-I/usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1/work/OOo_1.1.3_src/solenv/unxfbsd/inc 
-I/usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1/work/OOo_1.1.3_src/solenv/inc 
-I/usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1/work/OOo_1.1.3_src/res 
-I/usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1/work/OOo_1.1.3_src/solver/645/unxfbsd.pro/inc/dont_use_stl 
-I/usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1/work/OOo_1.1.3_src/solenv/inc/Xp31 
-I/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include 
-I/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/freebsd 
-I/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/bsd 
-I/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/native_threads/include 
-I/usr/X11R6/include -I. -I../../res -I. -I/usr/X11R6/include -O 
-pipe -fno-rtti  -fPIC -DFREEBSD -DUNX -DVCL -DGCC -DC300 -DINTEL 
-DGXX_INCLUDE_PATH=/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/i386-portbld-freebsd5.3/3.2.3/include/g++-v3 
-DCVER=C300 -D_USE_NAMESPACE -D_USE_NAMESPACE=1 -DX86 -DNEW_SOLAR 
-DSTLPORT_VERSION=450 -DOSVERSION=503001 -D_THREAD_SAFE -D_REENTRANT 
-D__DMAKE -DUNIX -DCPPU_ENV=gcc3 -DSUPD=645 -DPRODUCT -DNDEBUG 
-DPRODUCT_FULL -DOSL_DEBUG_LEVEL=0 -DOPTIMIZE -DEXCEPTIONS_ON -DCUI 
-DSOLAR_JAVA -DSRX645  -DSHAREDLIB -D_DLL_  -DMULTITHREAD -w -o 
../../unxfbsd.pro/slo/com_sun_star_lib_connections_pipe_PipeConnection.o 
com_sun_star_lib_connections_pipe_PipeConnection.c
In file included from com_sun_star_lib_connections_pipe_PipeConnection.h:2,
 from 
com_sun_star_lib_connections_pipe_PipeConnection.c:69:
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:27:20: jni_md.h: No such 
file or directory
In file included from com_sun_star_lib_connections_pipe_PipeConnection.h:2,
 from 
com_sun_star_lib_connections_pipe_PipeConnection.c:69:
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:45: syntax error before jsize
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:104: syntax error before jbyte
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:107: syntax error before i
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:108: syntax error before j
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:112: syntax error before '}' 
token
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:193: syntax error before jint
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:195: syntax error before '*' 
token
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:198: syntax error before '*' 
token
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:201: syntax error before '*' 
token
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:203: syntax error before '*' 
token
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:206: syntax error before '*' 
token
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:209: syntax error before '*' 
token
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:211: syntax error before '*' 
token
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:214: syntax error before '*' 
token
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:217: syntax error before '*' 
token
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:218: `jint' declared as 
function returning a function
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:219: syntax error before '*' 
token
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:220: `jint' declared as 
function returning a function
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:221: syntax error before '*' 
token
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:223: syntax error before '*' 
token
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:225: syntax error before '*' 
token
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:227: syntax error before '*' 
token
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:230: syntax error before '*' 
token
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:231: syntax error before jint
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:231: `jint' declared as 
function returning a function
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:232: syntax error before '*' 
token
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:235: syntax error before '*' 
token
/usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/include/jni.h:237: syntax error before '*' 
token

Re: Designed for FreeBSD stickers

2004-12-07 Thread Tabor Kelly
Jerry McAllister wrote:
snip
OK.  So I went and looked for them.   They are from FreeBSD Mall.
Go to:   http://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm
Select 'Promo' and then 'FreeBSD Sticker Sheet'  
They are only $0.50 US each so get a hundred or so.

There are a bunch of other promo items at that site as well.
The 'FreeBSD Plate Logos' are nice to stick on and look more
impressive than a mere sticker.   A FreeBSD beanie is good to
sit on top of your monitor and keep a benevolent eye on you.
And, of course, FreeBSD boxer shorts are a real turn on for 
your significant other.
snip
Yea, what I want (and I have looked, it doesn't exist) is a FreeBSD 
Jesus Fish like this Linux Fish here 
(http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/stickers/2898/).

-Tabor Kelly
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Native Java JDK vs. Linux Java JDK via emulation

2004-12-08 Thread Tabor Kelly
Hello Again,
First of all, I checked (http://www.freebsd.org/java/), but it did not 
have the info I was looking for (it also didn't seem to have any contact 
info for their authors).

So, my question:
What is the difference between the Native Java JDK (java/jdk14), and the 
linux one (java/linux-sun-jdk14), besides the obvious fact that 
java/linux-sun-jdk14 is officially sanctioned by Sun?

Also, if java/jdk14 is a native binary build of Java, why does it 
require java/linux-sun-jdk14?

Finally, a more general question: why do ports require specific versions 
of java? For example: The OpenOffice port requires java/jdk-1.4.2p6_7, 
shouldn't any vendor's copy of version 1.4 of the JDK work?

Thank You,
Tabor Kelly
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Re: OpenOffice - Java problems

2004-12-14 Thread Tabor Kelly
Dave Horsfall wrote:
I'm trying to compile OpenOffice 1.1 for FreeBSD 4.10 (may as well 
exercise the lap-top).  After grabbing all the Linuxy bits for Java JDK14, 
I now find it wants a Solaris library under /compat/svr4/lib (libc.so.2 or 
similar), and this is found only on a Solaris/86 CD, which of course not 
being a licensee I don't have.
snip
-- Dave
snip
How I got Openoffice 1.1.3 to compile on my laptop:
portinstall java/jdk14
portinstall openoffice
note: 'portinstall java/jdk14' installs the natively compiled FreeBSD 
version of Java, and as a dependency (for the build only) installs the 
linux JDK.

-Tabor Kelly
PS- Yes, this does mean the port is broken.
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Re: 5.3-RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso

2004-12-14 Thread Tabor Kelly
Jerry Hoover wrote:
I downloaded all 4 iso's and I have used Nero 5.5.9.9 to burn them to CD
EXCEPT 5.3-RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso  The checksums all worked out.
5.3-RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso continues to lock up Nero, the others didn't.
Any ideas?  BTW:  I have downloaded that 1 file twice from 2 differant sites,
Same results.  Just that 1 fileHELP!
Sounds unrelated to the image itself.
And what is the differance between bootonly.iso and miniinst.iso?
miniinst.iso is everything in the base system without any packages 
(except Perl), but with the ports tree. I am not sure what bootonly.iso 
lacks that miniinst.iso has (almost certainly the ports tree).

snip
If you have broadband, I suggest using the miniinst.iso and either 
installing packages via FTP with /stand/sysinstall or building 
everything from ports. Since you are new at this: don't forget to CVSup 
your ports tree after you install. Also, if I were you, I would install 
portupgrade and always use portupgrade/portinstall instead of manually 
compiling ports.

-Tabor Kelly
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Re: ld-elf.so.1: Shared objectlibintl.so.6 not found

2004-12-16 Thread Tabor Kelly
Andrew P. wrote:
snip
The only question I have now is how come I've never read about this?
I've read the Handbook and the Complete Freebsd and literally
thousands of other pages concerning FreeBSD management. I have
never seen a warning about changing the default shell for root.
Or am I just too blind?..
I haven't noticed it documented recently... but it was literally the 
first thing I was warned not to do by one of my friends when I started 
using *nix (linux at the time) about a decade ago (and he wasn't even a 
guru).

As Kris Kennaway ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) noted, it would be very bad if 
you couldn't boot into single user mode when you needed to.

-Tabor Kelly
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Re: Qmail Problems

2004-12-13 Thread Tabor Kelly
Mike Grissom wrote:
I have been having a problem with qmail-send dying for a while now. In the log file
 it says that alert: oh no! lost spawn connection which leads me to
 believe the problem is with the qmail-lspawn or qmail-rspawn.  I have
 FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE #0: Thu Nov 11 17:21:04 EST 2004 installed on the
 box.  Any ideas what could be causing this?  Or how to fix this
 problem?
snip
In addition to everything Mike Grissom [EMAIL PROTECTED] said, please 
tell us if you installed qmail from ports or directly from the source 
tarball on cr.yp.to?

Also, how often does it die? Can you reproduce the bug on demand?
-Tabor Kelly
PS- please configure your email client to use hard line breaks after 70 
characters (70 characters per line).
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Re: Qmail Problems

2004-12-13 Thread Tabor Kelly
Tabor Kelly wrote:
snip
In addition to everything Mike Grissom [EMAIL PROTECTED] said
Sorry, I meant Giorgos Keramidas [EMAIL PROTECTED].
snip
-Tabor Kelly
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general portinstall question about port names

2004-12-21 Thread Tabor Kelly
Hello,
I have a general question about how portinstall decides what port to 
install.

When type portinstall openoffice, portinstall asks me which of the 4 
openoffice ports I would like to install.

When I type portinstall gimp, portinstall installs graphics/gimp1. Why 
not graphics/gimp, or ask me like it did for OpenOffice?

Thank You,
Tabor Kelly
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Re: sendmail running on localhost 25?

2004-12-24 Thread Tabor Kelly
Ruben de Groot wrote:
On Fri, Dec 24, 2004 at 03:26:15AM -0700, James typed:
snip
This will also disable those annoying daily, weekly and montly 
messages recieved from cronjobs.

Who wants to read about your disks filling up, attempts to break into
your server and other futilities anyway ;-)
A typical qmail install includes the following:
$ killall sendmail
$ mv /usr/sbin/sendmail /usr/sbin/sendmail.old
$ chmod 0 /usr/sbin/sendmail.old
$ ln -s /var/qmail/bin/sendmail /usr/sbin/sendmail
$ chmod 0 /usr/libexec/mail.local
cron ends up calling /var/qmail/bin/sendmail.
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Re: bash - superuser

2004-12-24 Thread Tabor Kelly
Tom Vilot wrote:
Admittedly, I'm still a bit of a noob, but I can't stand any shell but 
bash.
Then log in as your normal user and then do a 'su -m'
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Re: Prism GT Chipset, hostap?

2005-01-01 Thread Tabor Kelly
Nikolas Britton wrote:
Do the Prism GT chipsets support hostap mode in freebsd (does freebsd 
even support this chipset?)? and are there any other chipsets besides 
Prism 2/2.5/3? that work in hostap mode?
From wi(4) 
(http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=wisektion=4manpath=FreeBSD+4.10-RELEASE):

 Cards based on the Intersil PRISM-II and PRISM-2.5 chips also have a
 host-based access point mode which allows the card to act as an 
access
 point (base station).

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Re: Recommended Mail Transfer Agent

2005-01-02 Thread Tabor Kelly
Michael Madden wrote:
I'm looking to setup a mail server with FreeBSD 5.3 for a group of around
100 users, and I was wondering which MTA I should use.  I have noticed 
sendmail is the default MTA, but I have no sendmail experience.  Also I know 
historically sendmail has had some serious security issues.

Furthermore, can someone recommend a decent POP3 and IMAP server?
Thanks in advance,
Mike 

I use qmail + dovecot. I have some rough drafts of howto's here:
http://tabor.taborandtashell.net/serversetup/qmail.html
http://tabor.taborandtashell.net/serversetup/dovecot.html
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Re: freebsd training/certification

2005-01-02 Thread Tabor Kelly
Chris wrote:
snip
The user states, I have been using the OS for over a year now, Hmmm 
seems to me that the user should KNOW the answer to, and how come 
FreeBSD is not as popular as RH/Fedora?
Please, enlighten me, why is FreeBSD less popular than RH/Fedora, or 
linux in general for that matter?

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Upgraded to Xorg 6.8.1 and some icons broke in Window Maker 0.91.0

2005-01-02 Thread Tabor Kelly
Hello,
I just upgraded from Xorg 6.7.0 (where everything worked fine) to Xorg 
6.8.1 and my clip icon along with a few others have a black background. 
Here is a screenshot: http://tabor.taborandtashell.net/images/outfile.jpg

Is anybody else having this trouble with Xorg 6.8.1? Everything else 
works fine.

Of note: I have an Intel i810 video chipset and Xorg 6.8.1 broke the 
driver for it, but I set NoAccel in my xorg.conf file and that was 
supposed to take care of it (now X at least starts). Does anyone think 
this could be related to my specific hardware?

Note2: This is on an ia32 laptop running FreeBSD 5.3R.
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Re: Upgraded to Xorg 6.8.1 and some icons broke in Window Maker 0.91.0

2005-01-03 Thread Tabor Kelly
Dave Horsfall wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005, Tabor Kelly wrote:
Of note: I have an Intel i810 video chipset and Xorg 6.8.1 broke the 
driver for it, but I set NoAccel in my xorg.conf file and that was 
supposed to take care of it (now X at least starts). Does anyone think 
this could be related to my specific hardware?
Could be; grab the latest Xorg from CVS, as a fix to the 810 driver 
(6.8.1_1) was committed yesterday.
Apparently the bug is in libtiff 3.7.1, but I will upgrade xorg because 
it is very slow with NoAccel. Thanks everyone.

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Re: [freebsd] Upgraded to Xorg 6.8.1 and some icons broke in Window Maker 0.91.0

2005-01-03 Thread Tabor Kelly
regis rampnoux wrote:
snip
I added the ligne :
   Load extmod
in the config file (Section Module) and this solved the trouble.
I had icons frames in blue and cyan too! 

Hope this can help you...
No, I already had this line. I just changed all of my icons to their xpm 
formated equivalent.

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Best way to back up to CD?

2005-01-03 Thread Tabor Kelly
Hello,
I would like to start making periodic backups to CD. I know I can make a 
tarball, and then create an iso with just that tarball on it, and then 
burn that to a cd, but is there a better way?

Specifically, I have read the into to backups in the Handbook and it 
says that dump/restore is superior to tar, but it looks like dump was 
only intended for tape drives. Am I reading this right?

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Re: Native 5.3 port of OpenOffice?

2005-01-04 Thread Tabor Kelly
Dave Horsfall wrote:
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote:

direction of http://download.openoffice.org/1.1.4/index.html

And if you follow the ports route instead, just how many more bloody hoops
do we have to jump through?
I did it, and it wasn't hard, just confusing. It is confusing because 
you need to know that:

1. You need the linprocfs mounted to make java/linux-sun-jdk14
2. You need to install java/jdk14 before you try to build OpenOffice 
(even though this is not listed as a dependency).

Note: this is from my memory, which is not always 100% what it should be.
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Re: 5.3 - starting a process as a diff user

2005-01-06 Thread Tabor Kelly
J.D. Bronson wrote:
I have a daemon that I need to start at boot under
/usr/local/etc/rc.d
and I need it to run as a specific user.
Currently, from root, I su - {userid} and then launch it
and then log out.
Can I make this automated in /usr/local/etc/rc.d and if so how?
This is what I have in one line of my rc.local:
su -m [user] -c '[command]'
but check the man page first.
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Re: 5.3 - starting a process as a diff user

2005-01-06 Thread Tabor Kelly
J.D. Bronson.
Your mail server is blocking my mail server:
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65.43.82.170 does not like recipient.
Remote host said: 550 sub18-33.member.dsl-only.net[63.105.18.33]: 
Client host rejected: Connecting IP appears dynamic - Use ISP to relay email
Giving up on 65.43.82.170.

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Re: Free BSD

2005-01-06 Thread Tabor Kelly
K.T. wrote:
I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems.
You never get over Windows or Linux.
FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-(
It's like Dave Horsfall wrote:
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  /   O O\__  |   feed the  |
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/  \ \|_|
   /   _\ \  ||
  /|\\ \ ||
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/   \|_|_|/   | _||
   /  /  \|| ||
  /   |   |   |  --|
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*-- _--\ _ \  |  ||
  /  _ \\|/  `
*  /   \_ /- |   |   |
  *  ___ c_c_c_C/ \C_c_c_c
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Re: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes.

2005-01-06 Thread Tabor Kelly
Rene C. Mendoza wrote:
I'm in the process of looking for a webmail frontend to my Postfix mail 
server setup installed on FreeBSD 5.3.  I use cyrus-imap as well.  What 
would you recommend?  I've heard of Squirrel Mail and IMP, but I don't 
know what to choose.

thanks,
Rene
I used IMP a few years ago, and I found it complicated to set up. I use 
SqWebMail now. SqWebMail may be less elegant than SquirrelMail, but 
SqWebMail is far more efficient. It is written in C, and accesses 
Maildirs locally, not through an IMAP server. If Postfix does not 
support Maildirs, you couldn't use SqWebMail.

I have written a short tutorial on how to set up SqWebMail here (it is 
draft quality now): 
http://tabor.taborandtashell.net/serversetup/sqwebmail.html The 
installation is pretty straight forward (it is in ports), except the 
Makefile, which is a little confusing at first.

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Re: Remote upgrade possible?

2005-01-06 Thread Tabor Kelly
Laurence Sanford wrote:
Joseph Koenig (jWeb) wrote:
snip
This is possible, however you are always taking a chance when you 
installworld without going to single user mode first. That said, I make 
a habit out of pushing my luck with systems I have in front of me by 
going so far as to make installworld while using an xterm in X-windows. 
I routinely use 'portupgrade -rRN' in xterm, in X-Windows to install new 
ports on my box. The second to last time I did this, one of the ports 
what was upgraded was xterm. And it worked! Can anybody explain to my 
why nothing bad happened? Am I running a risk when I do this?

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