Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
On 30/01/2023, Jim Hall wrote: > SAM is a window-based editor, so it uses graphics mode. To me, this > looks a lot like the window editor on the Apollo/DOMAIN system - I > managed a small Apollo/DOMAIN network in the mid 1990s. You can find a > screenshot of SAM on Wikipedia: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_%28text_editor%29#/media/File:Sam_text_editor.png > > Compiling this for DOS would be an interesting exercise. Not sure if > it's possible, but give it a shot and let us know. SAM can actually be used in both ways -- via a graphical interface, but also without it, in command-line-only mode, just like ED or EDLIN. This can be accomplished with the "-d" flag (sam -d [filenames]). I am aiming to compile only the command line backend for DOS, without the GUI. A Plan9 contributor has reportedly accomplished this (with an early version, back in the day [1]), so there is hope. Best, Mart 1: He thought this might be the Unix source that he ported: https://netlib.org/research/sam.shar ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
Travis, While certainly such an article can exist, speaking personally, treating accessibility as if it must be built, one population at a time is frankly a disservice. In fact, speaking personally, that is part of why accessibility has made such little progress, in part to be sure. One does not build a brick & motor business with just a single wall. Instead you create an entire structure which, if done to serve the public, much of the time takes into consideration that different kinds of humans will be visiting that building. I say much of the time, historical places do not always have ramps or elevators. Still, when building an operating system, and hoping to encourage inclusion, why break it up by population? It is not how accessibility guidelines work for example. Instead inclusion is based on interaction, and according to the w3c, is device browser and user agent agnostic to keep people from prioritizing one group of humans who interact with technology over another. My guess is that accessibility is a new concept to this opensource community. why perpetuate the unfortunate idea that only those experiencing blindness have paths to accessibility, or that such only applies to them? Speaking personally of course, since I do not believe an actual blind community exists...realizing others feel differently. Karen On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Travis Siegel wrote: Yes, but if they want articles on accessibility, I see no reason why an article on visually impaired access with screen readers can't be an article. If folks want to write articles for other accessibility features, then feel free to do so. I can't write about what I don't know. On 1/29/2023 9:01 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Well, unless he has left, He is still on list. He did, if memory serves, get permission from the creator of asap and asaw to include it in his project. I might be entirely wrong, or he has a different one for dosbox. However, as shared, access is not about screen readers alone, it is frankly disturbing the folks who feel otherwise, because they hear such all the time. On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Travis Siegel wrote: > Possibly, but asap isn't opensource, so no article there. > I do have an opensource screen reader, but again, it requires a physical > synth, so I need to work on that somehow. > > Plus I have to find where I stuffed the source, it's around here > somewhere, but I haven't seen it in a while. > > On the other hand, I'd be interested to see how ASAP was made to work, > that should be an interesting reveal. > > > On 1/29/2023 8:36 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > does not Joseph have a working edition of freedos using asap, as a > > screen > > reader? > > The journey to getting accessibility, not just screen readers, but > > voice > > tools for those needing that kind of inclusion, might make for an > > interesting piece. > > Since opensource seeks well open source smiles, the article might > > encourage creativity towards coding solutions that benefit many > > populations. After all, accessibility is not about blindness > > alone. > > Kare > > > > > > > > On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Travis Siegel wrote: > > > > > I suppose if they're interested in articles on accessibility, I > > should > probably write one on visually impaired access. I tried > > to get a > screen reader included into the project several years > > ago, and was > turned down, because of the license of the code, even > > though it didn't > have any restrictions on distribution, other than > > the fact that whoever > did so have a license for the a86 assembler, > > (which I do have), but I've > also not done a whole lot with it > > since then, so perhaps it's time I did > do something about that. > > I need to figure out some way to tie that > screen reader to a > > software synthesizer of some sort, so folks don't > need a physical > > hardware synthesizer. If that could be accomplished, > then > > freedos would truly be completely accessible. > > > > Of course, it is sort of accessible to visually impaired folks > > now, > since running it under dosemu on linux uses the linux screen > > reader, and > works just fine, though I've not tried running it on > > something like > dosbox under windows, to see if the windows screen > > reader works for it. > > > > I guess there's more work that needs done before I could truly > > write an > all inclusive article about it being accessible to > > visually impaired > users. > > > > On the other hand, because dos is so easy to use, it does make > > it a lot > more accessible than other operating systems like windows > > though, so > perhaps there's an article there. > > > > > > > > I'll think about it, and see if there's something I can come up > > with > that seems publication worthy. > > > > Ideas are of course welcome, which is (mostly) why I went ahead > > and >
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
Yes, but if they want articles on accessibility, I see no reason why an article on visually impaired access with screen readers can't be an article. If folks want to write articles for other accessibility features, then feel free to do so. I can't write about what I don't know. On 1/29/2023 9:01 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Well, unless he has left, He is still on list. He did, if memory serves, get permission from the creator of asap and asaw to include it in his project. I might be entirely wrong, or he has a different one for dosbox. However, as shared, access is not about screen readers alone, it is frankly disturbing the folks who feel otherwise, because they hear such all the time. On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Travis Siegel wrote: Possibly, but asap isn't opensource, so no article there. I do have an opensource screen reader, but again, it requires a physical synth, so I need to work on that somehow. Plus I have to find where I stuffed the source, it's around here somewhere, but I haven't seen it in a while. On the other hand, I'd be interested to see how ASAP was made to work, that should be an interesting reveal. On 1/29/2023 8:36 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: does not Joseph have a working edition of freedos using asap, as a screen reader? The journey to getting accessibility, not just screen readers, but voice tools for those needing that kind of inclusion, might make for an interesting piece. Since opensource seeks well open source smiles, the article might encourage creativity towards coding solutions that benefit many populations. After all, accessibility is not about blindness alone. Kare On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Travis Siegel wrote: > I suppose if they're interested in articles on accessibility, I should > probably write one on visually impaired access. I tried to get a > screen reader included into the project several years ago, and was > turned down, because of the license of the code, even though it didn't > have any restrictions on distribution, other than the fact that whoever > did so have a license for the a86 assembler, (which I do have), but I've > also not done a whole lot with it since then, so perhaps it's time I did > do something about that. I need to figure out some way to tie that > screen reader to a software synthesizer of some sort, so folks don't > need a physical hardware synthesizer. If that could be accomplished, > then freedos would truly be completely accessible. > > Of course, it is sort of accessible to visually impaired folks now, > since running it under dosemu on linux uses the linux screen reader, and > works just fine, though I've not tried running it on something like > dosbox under windows, to see if the windows screen reader works for it. > > I guess there's more work that needs done before I could truly write an > all inclusive article about it being accessible to visually impaired > users. > > On the other hand, because dos is so easy to use, it does make it a lot > more accessible than other operating systems like windows though, so > perhaps there's an article there. > > > > I'll think about it, and see if there's something I can come up with > that seems publication worthy. > > Ideas are of course welcome, which is (mostly) why I went ahead and > posted this message. > > Thanks for listening. > > > On 1/29/2023 2:37 PM, Linvel Risner wrote: > > I’m by no means a FreeDOS expert, I’m just a user, but if anyone > > would > > like help writing an article I’m here to help. I know our > > community is > > very diverse linguistically and as a result I’m more than happy to > > lend > > a hand to an English as a second language speaker/writer. I would > > take no > > credit, you’d have 100% ownership of the article, I’d just like > > to > > help in some way. Reach out if y’all need anything :) > > > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 2:20 PM John Vella > > wrote: > > > > That sounds like the sort of thing I'd be interested in > > doing, but > > what sort of article are they looking for? Are they after a > > "history of FreeDOS" type article, because that's been done > > so > > many times it would be hard to write anything original, > > wouldn't it? > > > > I look forward to hearing your thoughts. > > > > Cheers, > > > > John. > > > > On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, 18:41 Jim Hall, > > wrote: > > > > If anyone here is interested in writing articles > > about FreeDOS, > > Opensource.com is interested in running FreeDOS > > articles. I write > > articles for them sometimes, and the FreeDOS articles > > perform very > > well on the site. In fact, they recently listed > > FreeDOS among > > their > > list of "topics we're interested in for 2023." Also > > included > > in the > > list: conio and C programming. > > > >
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
Yes, it still exists, but I doubt it handles anything relatively modern, with the exception of web pages, since that hasn't changed very much. On 1/29/2023 8:39 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: does this package still exist, and if so, how does it manage more current authentication needs? Kare On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Travis Siegel wrote: Actually, that reminds me of a package called ka9q, which provides a complete tcp/ip stack to dos, that allows all kinds of net access to ftp, smtp, telnet, and probably other things I don't remember. That's probably a really good article waiting to happen. I actually used that package to run my softcon.com site for a few months when I first opened it in 1996, until I got my linux boxes up and running. I'll probably take a crack at something like that first before doing an accessibility one. On 1/29/2023 2:37 PM, Linvel Risner wrote: I’m by no means a FreeDOS expert, I’m just a user, but if anyone would like help writing an article I’m here to help. I know our community is very diverse linguistically and as a result I’m more than happy to lend a hand to an English as a second language speaker/writer. I would take no credit, you’d have 100% ownership of the article, I’d just like to help in some way. Reach out if y’all need anything :) On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 2:20 PM John Vella wrote: That sounds like the sort of thing I'd be interested in doing, but what sort of article are they looking for? Are they after a "history of FreeDOS" type article, because that's been done so many times it would be hard to write anything original, wouldn't it? I look forward to hearing your thoughts. Cheers, John. On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, 18:41 Jim Hall, wrote: If anyone here is interested in writing articles about FreeDOS, Opensource.com is interested in running FreeDOS articles. I write articles for them sometimes, and the FreeDOS articles perform very well on the site. In fact, they recently listed FreeDOS among their list of "topics we're interested in for 2023." Also included in the list: conio and C programming. I can tell you the editors are very welcoming, which is why I continue to write articles for them. If English isn't your first language, and you aren't confident of your English writing skills, they can help with editing to make the final version really nice. Here's the list they shared, in case this inspires anyone to write an article: - accessibility - Ansible - apt - Awk - Bash scripting - Blender - C getopt - C Programming - Chaos Engineering for K8s - Compose Key - conio - Containers/Pods - cron - Curl - DevOps - DevSecOps - dnf - doxygen - Emacs - find command - Firewall - FreeDOS - GDB - GIMP - Git - GNOME - GNU Screen - Go Beginners - Grep - Home Automation - Inkscape - Intro Small Scale Scrum - Java - JavaScript - Jinja2 - Jupyter - Kdenlive - Kubectl - Kubernetes - Kubernetes SRE - Linux Apps - Linux perms - Logrotate - Markdown - MySQL - Networking - Parted - Pygame eBook - PyPI - Python - Raspberry Pi - Running K8s on RPi - Rust - Sed - SELinux - SSH - sudo - sustainability - systemd - tmux - Vim - wget Email the editors at o...@opensource.com They have a "write for us" page at https://opensource.com/writers ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
Well, unless he has left, He is still on list. He did, if memory serves, get permission from the creator of asap and asaw to include it in his project. I might be entirely wrong, or he has a different one for dosbox. However, as shared, access is not about screen readers alone, it is frankly disturbing the folks who feel otherwise, because they hear such all the time. On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Travis Siegel wrote: Possibly, but asap isn't opensource, so no article there. I do have an opensource screen reader, but again, it requires a physical synth, so I need to work on that somehow. Plus I have to find where I stuffed the source, it's around here somewhere, but I haven't seen it in a while. On the other hand, I'd be interested to see how ASAP was made to work, that should be an interesting reveal. On 1/29/2023 8:36 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: does not Joseph have a working edition of freedos using asap, as a screen reader? The journey to getting accessibility, not just screen readers, but voice tools for those needing that kind of inclusion, might make for an interesting piece. Since opensource seeks well open source smiles, the article might encourage creativity towards coding solutions that benefit many populations. After all, accessibility is not about blindness alone. Kare On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Travis Siegel wrote: > I suppose if they're interested in articles on accessibility, I should > probably write one on visually impaired access. I tried to get a > screen reader included into the project several years ago, and was > turned down, because of the license of the code, even though it didn't > have any restrictions on distribution, other than the fact that whoever > did so have a license for the a86 assembler, (which I do have), but I've > also not done a whole lot with it since then, so perhaps it's time I did > do something about that. I need to figure out some way to tie that > screen reader to a software synthesizer of some sort, so folks don't > need a physical hardware synthesizer. If that could be accomplished, > then freedos would truly be completely accessible. > > Of course, it is sort of accessible to visually impaired folks now, > since running it under dosemu on linux uses the linux screen reader, and > works just fine, though I've not tried running it on something like > dosbox under windows, to see if the windows screen reader works for it. > > I guess there's more work that needs done before I could truly write an > all inclusive article about it being accessible to visually impaired > users. > > On the other hand, because dos is so easy to use, it does make it a lot > more accessible than other operating systems like windows though, so > perhaps there's an article there. > > > > I'll think about it, and see if there's something I can come up with > that seems publication worthy. > > Ideas are of course welcome, which is (mostly) why I went ahead and > posted this message. > > Thanks for listening. > > > On 1/29/2023 2:37 PM, Linvel Risner wrote: > > I’m by no means a FreeDOS expert, I’m just a user, but if anyone > > would > > like help writing an article I’m here to help. I know our > > community is > > very diverse linguistically and as a result I’m more than happy to > > lend > > a hand to an English as a second language speaker/writer. I would > > take no > > credit, you’d have 100% ownership of the article, I’d just like > > to > > help in some way. Reach out if y’all need anything :) > > > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 2:20 PM John Vella > > wrote: > > > > That sounds like the sort of thing I'd be interested in > > doing, but > > what sort of article are they looking for? Are they after a > > "history of FreeDOS" type article, because that's been done > > so > > many times it would be hard to write anything original, > > wouldn't it? > > > > I look forward to hearing your thoughts. > > > > Cheers, > > > > John. > > > > On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, 18:41 Jim Hall, > > wrote: > > > > If anyone here is interested in writing articles > > about FreeDOS, > > Opensource.com is interested in running FreeDOS > > articles. I write > > articles for them sometimes, and the FreeDOS articles > > perform very > > well on the site. In fact, they recently listed > > FreeDOS among > > their > > list of "topics we're interested in for 2023." Also > > included > > in the > > list: conio and C programming. > > > > I can tell you the editors are very welcoming, which > > is why I > > continue > > to write articles for them. If English isn't your > > first > > language, and > > you aren't confident of your English writing skills, > > they can help > > with editing to make
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
Possibly, but asap isn't opensource, so no article there. I do have an opensource screen reader, but again, it requires a physical synth, so I need to work on that somehow. Plus I have to find where I stuffed the source, it's around here somewhere, but I haven't seen it in a while. On the other hand, I'd be interested to see how ASAP was made to work, that should be an interesting reveal. On 1/29/2023 8:36 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: does not Joseph have a working edition of freedos using asap, as a screen reader? The journey to getting accessibility, not just screen readers, but voice tools for those needing that kind of inclusion, might make for an interesting piece. Since opensource seeks well open source smiles, the article might encourage creativity towards coding solutions that benefit many populations. After all, accessibility is not about blindness alone. Kare On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Travis Siegel wrote: I suppose if they're interested in articles on accessibility, I should probably write one on visually impaired access. I tried to get a screen reader included into the project several years ago, and was turned down, because of the license of the code, even though it didn't have any restrictions on distribution, other than the fact that whoever did so have a license for the a86 assembler, (which I do have), but I've also not done a whole lot with it since then, so perhaps it's time I did do something about that. I need to figure out some way to tie that screen reader to a software synthesizer of some sort, so folks don't need a physical hardware synthesizer. If that could be accomplished, then freedos would truly be completely accessible. Of course, it is sort of accessible to visually impaired folks now, since running it under dosemu on linux uses the linux screen reader, and works just fine, though I've not tried running it on something like dosbox under windows, to see if the windows screen reader works for it. I guess there's more work that needs done before I could truly write an all inclusive article about it being accessible to visually impaired users. On the other hand, because dos is so easy to use, it does make it a lot more accessible than other operating systems like windows though, so perhaps there's an article there. I'll think about it, and see if there's something I can come up with that seems publication worthy. Ideas are of course welcome, which is (mostly) why I went ahead and posted this message. Thanks for listening. On 1/29/2023 2:37 PM, Linvel Risner wrote: I’m by no means a FreeDOS expert, I’m just a user, but if anyone would like help writing an article I’m here to help. I know our community is very diverse linguistically and as a result I’m more than happy to lend a hand to an English as a second language speaker/writer. I would take no credit, you’d have 100% ownership of the article, I’d just like to help in some way. Reach out if y’all need anything :) On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 2:20 PM John Vella wrote: That sounds like the sort of thing I'd be interested in doing, but what sort of article are they looking for? Are they after a "history of FreeDOS" type article, because that's been done so many times it would be hard to write anything original, wouldn't it? I look forward to hearing your thoughts. Cheers, John. On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, 18:41 Jim Hall, wrote: If anyone here is interested in writing articles about FreeDOS, Opensource.com is interested in running FreeDOS articles. I write articles for them sometimes, and the FreeDOS articles perform very well on the site. In fact, they recently listed FreeDOS among their list of "topics we're interested in for 2023." Also included in the list: conio and C programming. I can tell you the editors are very welcoming, which is why I continue to write articles for them. If English isn't your first language, and you aren't confident of your English writing skills, they can help with editing to make the final version really nice. Here's the list they shared, in case this inspires anyone to write an article: - accessibility - Ansible - apt - Awk - Bash scripting - Blender - C getopt - C Programming - Chaos Engineering for K8s - Compose Key - conio - Containers/Pods - cron - Curl - DevOps - DevSecOps - dnf - doxygen - Emacs - find command - Firewall - FreeDOS - GDB - GIMP - Git - GNOME - GNU Screen - Go Beginners - Grep - Home Automation - Inkscape - Intro Small Scale Scrum
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
does this package still exist, and if so, how does it manage more current authentication needs? Kare On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Travis Siegel wrote: Actually, that reminds me of a package called ka9q, which provides a complete tcp/ip stack to dos, that allows all kinds of net access to ftp, smtp, telnet, and probably other things I don't remember.?? That's probably a really good article waiting to happen. I actually used that package to run my softcon.com site for a few months when I first opened it in 1996, until I got my linux boxes up and running. I'll probably take a crack at something like that first before doing an accessibility one. On 1/29/2023 2:37 PM, Linvel Risner wrote: I???m by no means a FreeDOS expert, I???m just a user, but if anyone would like help writing an article I???m here to help. I know our community is very diverse linguistically and as a result I???m more than happy to lend a hand to an English as a second language speaker/writer. I would take no credit, you???d have 100% ownership of the article, I???d just like to help in some way. Reach out if y???all need anything :) On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 2:20 PM John Vella wrote: That sounds like the sort of thing I'd be interested in doing, but what sort of article are they looking for? Are they after a "history of FreeDOS" type article, because that's been done so many times it would be hard to write anything original, wouldn't it? I look forward to hearing your thoughts. Cheers, John. On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, 18:41 Jim Hall, wrote: If anyone here is interested in writing articles about FreeDOS, Opensource.com is interested in running FreeDOS articles. I write articles for them sometimes, and the FreeDOS articles perform very well on the site. In fact, they recently listed FreeDOS among their list of "topics we're interested in for 2023." Also included in the list: conio and C programming. I can tell you the editors are very welcoming, which is why I continue to write articles for them. If English isn't your first language, and you aren't confident of your English writing skills, they can help with editing to make the final version really nice. Here's the list they shared, in case this inspires anyone to write an article: - accessibility - Ansible - apt - Awk - Bash scripting - Blender - C getopt - C Programming - Chaos Engineering for K8s - Compose Key - conio - Containers/Pods - cron - Curl - DevOps - DevSecOps - dnf - doxygen - Emacs - find command - Firewall - FreeDOS - GDB - GIMP - Git - GNOME - GNU Screen - Go Beginners - Grep - Home Automation - Inkscape - Intro Small Scale Scrum - Java - JavaScript - Jinja2 - Jupyter - Kdenlive - Kubectl - Kubernetes - Kubernetes SRE - Linux Apps - Linux perms - Logrotate - Markdown - MySQL - Networking - Parted - Pygame eBook - PyPI - Python - Raspberry Pi - Running K8s on RPi - Rust - Sed - SELinux - SSH - sudo - sustainability - systemd - tmux - Vim - wget Email the editors at o...@opensource.com They have a "write for us" page at https://opensource.com/writers ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
does not Joseph have a working edition of freedos using asap, as a screen reader? The journey to getting accessibility, not just screen readers, but voice tools for those needing that kind of inclusion, might make for an interesting piece. Since opensource seeks well open source smiles, the article might encourage creativity towards coding solutions that benefit many populations. After all, accessibility is not about blindness alone. Kare On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Travis Siegel wrote: I suppose if they're interested in articles on accessibility, I should probably write one on visually impaired access.?? I tried to get a screen reader included into the project several years ago, and was turned down, because of the license of the code, even though it didn't have any restrictions on distribution, other than the fact that whoever did so have a license for the a86 assembler, (which I do have), but I've also not done a whole lot with it since then, so perhaps it's time I did do something about that.?? I need to figure out some way to tie that screen reader to a software synthesizer of some sort, so folks don't need a physical hardware synthesizer.?? If that could be accomplished, then freedos would truly be completely accessible. Of course, it is sort of accessible to visually impaired folks now, since running it under dosemu on linux uses the linux screen reader, and works just fine, though I've not tried running it on something like dosbox under windows, to see if the windows screen reader works for it. I guess there's more work that needs done before I could truly write an all inclusive article about it being accessible to visually impaired users. On the other hand, because dos is so easy to use, it does make it a lot more accessible than other operating systems like windows though, so perhaps there's an article there. I'll think about it, and see if there's something I can come up with that seems publication worthy. Ideas are of course welcome, which is (mostly) why I went ahead and posted this message. Thanks for listening. On 1/29/2023 2:37 PM, Linvel Risner wrote: I???m by no means a FreeDOS expert, I???m just a user, but if anyone would like help writing an article I???m here to help. I know our community is very diverse linguistically and as a result I???m more than happy to lend a hand to an English as a second language speaker/writer. I would take no credit, you???d have 100% ownership of the article, I???d just like to help in some way. Reach out if y???all need anything :) On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 2:20 PM John Vella wrote: That sounds like the sort of thing I'd be interested in doing, but what sort of article are they looking for? Are they after a "history of FreeDOS" type article, because that's been done so many times it would be hard to write anything original, wouldn't it? I look forward to hearing your thoughts. Cheers, John. On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, 18:41 Jim Hall, wrote: If anyone here is interested in writing articles about FreeDOS, Opensource.com is interested in running FreeDOS articles. I write articles for them sometimes, and the FreeDOS articles perform very well on the site. In fact, they recently listed FreeDOS among their list of "topics we're interested in for 2023." Also included in the list: conio and C programming. I can tell you the editors are very welcoming, which is why I continue to write articles for them. If English isn't your first language, and you aren't confident of your English writing skills, they can help with editing to make the final version really nice. Here's the list they shared, in case this inspires anyone to write an article: - accessibility - Ansible - apt - Awk - Bash scripting - Blender - C getopt - C Programming - Chaos Engineering for K8s - Compose Key - conio - Containers/Pods - cron - Curl - DevOps - DevSecOps - dnf - doxygen - Emacs - find command - Firewall - FreeDOS - GDB - GIMP - Git - GNOME - GNU Screen - Go Beginners - Grep - Home Automation - Inkscape - Intro Small Scale Scrum - Java - JavaScript - Jinja2 - Jupyter - Kdenlive - Kubectl - Kubernetes - Kubernetes SRE - Linux Apps - Linux perms - Logrotate - Markdown - MySQL - Networking - Parted - Pygame eBook - PyPI - Python - Raspberry Pi - Running K8s on RPi - Rust - Sed
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
Actually, that reminds me of a package called ka9q, which provides a complete tcp/ip stack to dos, that allows all kinds of net access to ftp, smtp, telnet, and probably other things I don't remember. That's probably a really good article waiting to happen. I actually used that package to run my softcon.com site for a few months when I first opened it in 1996, until I got my linux boxes up and running. I'll probably take a crack at something like that first before doing an accessibility one. On 1/29/2023 2:37 PM, Linvel Risner wrote: I’m by no means a FreeDOS expert, I’m just a user, but if anyone would like help writing an article I’m here to help. I know our community is very diverse linguistically and as a result I’m more than happy to lend a hand to an English as a second language speaker/writer. I would take no credit, you’d have 100% ownership of the article, I’d just like to help in some way. Reach out if y’all need anything :) On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 2:20 PM John Vella wrote: That sounds like the sort of thing I'd be interested in doing, but what sort of article are they looking for? Are they after a "history of FreeDOS" type article, because that's been done so many times it would be hard to write anything original, wouldn't it? I look forward to hearing your thoughts. Cheers, John. On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, 18:41 Jim Hall, wrote: If anyone here is interested in writing articles about FreeDOS, Opensource.com is interested in running FreeDOS articles. I write articles for them sometimes, and the FreeDOS articles perform very well on the site. In fact, they recently listed FreeDOS among their list of "topics we're interested in for 2023." Also included in the list: conio and C programming. I can tell you the editors are very welcoming, which is why I continue to write articles for them. If English isn't your first language, and you aren't confident of your English writing skills, they can help with editing to make the final version really nice. Here's the list they shared, in case this inspires anyone to write an article: - accessibility - Ansible - apt - Awk - Bash scripting - Blender - C getopt - C Programming - Chaos Engineering for K8s - Compose Key - conio - Containers/Pods - cron - Curl - DevOps - DevSecOps - dnf - doxygen - Emacs - find command - Firewall - FreeDOS - GDB - GIMP - Git - GNOME - GNU Screen - Go Beginners - Grep - Home Automation - Inkscape - Intro Small Scale Scrum - Java - JavaScript - Jinja2 - Jupyter - Kdenlive - Kubectl - Kubernetes - Kubernetes SRE - Linux Apps - Linux perms - Logrotate - Markdown - MySQL - Networking - Parted - Pygame eBook - PyPI - Python - Raspberry Pi - Running K8s on RPi - Rust - Sed - SELinux - SSH - sudo - sustainability - systemd - tmux - Vim - wget Email the editors at o...@opensource.com They have a "write for us" page at https://opensource.com/writers ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
I suppose if they're interested in articles on accessibility, I should probably write one on visually impaired access. I tried to get a screen reader included into the project several years ago, and was turned down, because of the license of the code, even though it didn't have any restrictions on distribution, other than the fact that whoever did so have a license for the a86 assembler, (which I do have), but I've also not done a whole lot with it since then, so perhaps it's time I did do something about that. I need to figure out some way to tie that screen reader to a software synthesizer of some sort, so folks don't need a physical hardware synthesizer. If that could be accomplished, then freedos would truly be completely accessible. Of course, it is sort of accessible to visually impaired folks now, since running it under dosemu on linux uses the linux screen reader, and works just fine, though I've not tried running it on something like dosbox under windows, to see if the windows screen reader works for it. I guess there's more work that needs done before I could truly write an all inclusive article about it being accessible to visually impaired users. On the other hand, because dos is so easy to use, it does make it a lot more accessible than other operating systems like windows though, so perhaps there's an article there. I'll think about it, and see if there's something I can come up with that seems publication worthy. Ideas are of course welcome, which is (mostly) why I went ahead and posted this message. Thanks for listening. On 1/29/2023 2:37 PM, Linvel Risner wrote: I’m by no means a FreeDOS expert, I’m just a user, but if anyone would like help writing an article I’m here to help. I know our community is very diverse linguistically and as a result I’m more than happy to lend a hand to an English as a second language speaker/writer. I would take no credit, you’d have 100% ownership of the article, I’d just like to help in some way. Reach out if y’all need anything :) On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 2:20 PM John Vella wrote: That sounds like the sort of thing I'd be interested in doing, but what sort of article are they looking for? Are they after a "history of FreeDOS" type article, because that's been done so many times it would be hard to write anything original, wouldn't it? I look forward to hearing your thoughts. Cheers, John. On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, 18:41 Jim Hall, wrote: If anyone here is interested in writing articles about FreeDOS, Opensource.com is interested in running FreeDOS articles. I write articles for them sometimes, and the FreeDOS articles perform very well on the site. In fact, they recently listed FreeDOS among their list of "topics we're interested in for 2023." Also included in the list: conio and C programming. I can tell you the editors are very welcoming, which is why I continue to write articles for them. If English isn't your first language, and you aren't confident of your English writing skills, they can help with editing to make the final version really nice. Here's the list they shared, in case this inspires anyone to write an article: - accessibility - Ansible - apt - Awk - Bash scripting - Blender - C getopt - C Programming - Chaos Engineering for K8s - Compose Key - conio - Containers/Pods - cron - Curl - DevOps - DevSecOps - dnf - doxygen - Emacs - find command - Firewall - FreeDOS - GDB - GIMP - Git - GNOME - GNU Screen - Go Beginners - Grep - Home Automation - Inkscape - Intro Small Scale Scrum - Java - JavaScript - Jinja2 - Jupyter - Kdenlive - Kubectl - Kubernetes - Kubernetes SRE - Linux Apps - Linux perms - Logrotate - Markdown - MySQL - Networking - Parted - Pygame eBook - PyPI - Python - Raspberry Pi - Running K8s on RPi - Rust - Sed - SELinux - SSH - sudo - sustainability - systemd - tmux - Vim - wget Email the editors at o...@opensource.com They have a "write for us" page at https://opensource.com/writers ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 4:39 PM Karen Lewellen wrote: > > What is their compensation rate? > Opensource.com is a volunteer-contributor site, so writing is uncompensated. I get paid to write for other websites and magazines, but I choose to volunteer on this one. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
> On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 3:01 PM Mart Zirnask wrote: > > > > If I manage to build the command line mode of Rob Pike's sam editor > > [1] for DOS, I could probably do a writeup on how to use it. Because > > of the so-called structural regular expressions [2, 3], it is a really > > interesting editor. Excellent for processing arbitrary strings that > > spawn across multiple lines, since sam doesn't expect the input to be > > full, terminated lines. On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 4:30 PM Rugxulo wrote: > I've heard of it but never used it. It's very interesting. Plan9's > successor to Ed, right? (Grep and Sed both came from Ed. Even AWK took > the regex code from Egrep, I think.) Brian Kernighan uses SAM, and I've interviewed Brian a few times. Brian describes SAM as "ed" or "vi" on steroids. And that's how the SAM website describes it, so I guess that's not a surprise. SAM is a window-based editor, so it uses graphics mode. To me, this looks a lot like the window editor on the Apollo/DOMAIN system - I managed a small Apollo/DOMAIN network in the mid 1990s. You can find a screenshot of SAM on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_%28text_editor%29#/media/File:Sam_text_editor.png Compiling this for DOS would be an interesting exercise. Not sure if it's possible, but give it a shot and let us know. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
What is their compensation rate? On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Jim Hall wrote: If anyone here is interested in writing articles about FreeDOS, Opensource.com is interested in running FreeDOS articles. I write articles for them sometimes, and the FreeDOS articles perform very well on the site. In fact, they recently listed FreeDOS among their list of "topics we're interested in for 2023." Also included in the list: conio and C programming. I can tell you the editors are very welcoming, which is why I continue to write articles for them. If English isn't your first language, and you aren't confident of your English writing skills, they can help with editing to make the final version really nice. Here's the list they shared, in case this inspires anyone to write an article: - accessibility - Ansible - apt - Awk - Bash scripting - Blender - C getopt - C Programming - Chaos Engineering for K8s - Compose Key - conio - Containers/Pods - cron - Curl - DevOps - DevSecOps - dnf - doxygen - Emacs - find command - Firewall - FreeDOS - GDB - GIMP - Git - GNOME - GNU Screen - Go Beginners - Grep - Home Automation - Inkscape - Intro Small Scale Scrum - Java - JavaScript - Jinja2 - Jupyter - Kdenlive - Kubectl - Kubernetes - Kubernetes SRE - Linux Apps - Linux perms - Logrotate - Markdown - MySQL - Networking - Parted - Pygame eBook - PyPI - Python - Raspberry Pi - Running K8s on RPi - Rust - Sed - SELinux - SSH - sudo - sustainability - systemd - tmux - Vim - wget Email the editors at o...@opensource.com They have a "write for us" page at https://opensource.com/writers ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] mTCP: A Unicode enabled IRCjr is available for testing
I've added a Unicode enabled Telnet to the same file. Just set the environment variable to the mapping file and it will interpret Unicode sent via UTF-8. Sending Unicode also works but I have not implemented a "compose" sequence for arbitrary Unicode code points so you are limited to what your keyboard can produce. -Mike On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 8:36 PM Michael Brutman wrote: > I've never wanted to support Unicode and UTF-8 because of the potential > performance problems on slow machines and the problem of mapping Unicode to > code pages. I solved one problem, but not the other. ;-0 > > If you'd like to try it the instructions are at > https://groups.google.com/g/mtcp/c/Z0RhZK9hI8c. I've included a mapping > from Unicode to CP437. If you use another codepage you will need to create > a mapping for it. (It's not difficult, it's just a text file.) > > If this works well I'll update the Telnet client to be able to use Unicode > too. (It was easier to start with the IRC client.) > > > -Mike > > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
Hi, On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 3:01 PM Mart Zirnask wrote: > > If I manage to build the command line mode of Rob Pike's sam editor > [1] for DOS, I could probably do a writeup on how to use it. Because > of the so-called structural regular expressions [2, 3], it is a really > interesting editor. Excellent for processing arbitrary strings that > spawn across multiple lines, since sam doesn't expect the input to be > full, terminated lines. I've heard of it but never used it. It's very interesting. Plan9's successor to Ed, right? (Grep and Sed both came from Ed. Even AWK took the regex code from Egrep, I think.) > I'm definitely more of an end user, but I like the simplicity of both > DOS and traditional Unix tools. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimalism_(computing) "modularity", "reusability" (e.g. tools), easy to use and combine with other programs (using plain text input and output) "do one thing (only) and do it well" "keep it simple", "you ain't gonna need it", "make everything a filter" But some people *hate* simple (e.g. text) interfaces. "UNIX is very simple, it just needs a genius to understand its simplicity." -- Dennis M. Ritchie "C is quirky, flawed, and an enormous success." -- Dennis M. Ritchie "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." -- Albert Einstein (also often quoted by Niklaus Wirth) (Replace "UNIX" and "C in the above quotes with "DOS". That's how I feel.) (In fairness, if a tool requires a genius, you've designed it wrong. Most people aren't geniuses. It should be easy to use, but that doesn't mean bloat and unnecessary complications and fancy interfaces.) "Everyone knows that debugging is twice as hard as writing a program in the first place. So if you're as clever as you can be when you write it, how will you ever debug it?" -- Brian Kernighan > An article about "Ultra minimal minimal minimal FreeDOS" (which is how > I sense SvarDOS) might be interesting to many curious (newbie-) > readers, I suppose. How to stripe FreeDOS only to the most essential > components. Yes, definitely, but (for instance) my MetaDOS never caught on and few ever used it. I greatly respect Mateusz's work, but I never found the time to try out SvarDOS. (I see he's responding below already.) ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 3:39 PM Eze B wrote: > I’d love a place to learn more about Freedos and a place with > articles for a beginner/entry. My dad who passed away used a program > named IMAGE to make programs for CNC machining on Freedos. I myself > have 0 knowledge when it comes to Freedos, I just know how to find the > programs but I have no idea how to print them or transfer them. Would > love an article/tutorial on basic commands and how to navigate. I wrote a bunch of articles about how to use FreeDOS, including how to navigate and use the basic command line tools. You can find them collected in a series of free ebooks. (These are the most popular articles about FreeDOS from Opensource.com, collected as ebooks.) Here they are: A guide to using FreeDOS https://opensource.com/downloads/guide-using-freedos An advanced guide to FreeDOS internals https://opensource.com/downloads/advanced-freedos A guide to tips and tricks for C programming (on Linux and FreeDOS) https://opensource.com/downloads/guide-c-programming ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 3:42 PM Rugxulo wrote: >[..] > I assume you meant we can (also) write open source articles about the > above subjects, too. But, AFAIK, none of those directly relates or > interacts with FreeDOS. > Correct. I shared the entire list (verbatim) that the editors shared, so you could see that "FreeDOS" and "conio" and "C programming" were there. (The list was shared on the "frequent writers" email list, not a web page - or I would have just linked to a web page.) I also shared the list of ideas to show that the site is pretty open to a variety of article topics. For example, Jerome wrote a great article about doing 64-bit math on 16-bit DOS: https://opensource.com/article/22/10/64-bit-math ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
On 29/01/2023 22:00, Mart Zirnask wrote: Another article worth considering is an overview of SvarDOS, or is it not ready for this yet? A comparison of SvarDOS versus FreeDOS -- or am I currently in the wrong church with this? :) Sounds great. I'd definitely welcome such write-up. An article about "Ultra minimal minimal minimal FreeDOS" (which is how I sense SvarDOS) might be interesting to many curious (newbie-) readers, I suppose. How to stripe FreeDOS only to the most essential components. Indeed. Worth noting though, that SvarDOS is not as much about striping FreeDOS, than about building a minimalist yet functional DOS on top of the FreeDOS kernel. It is also about 8086 compatibility and a more accommodating approach to licenses of 3rd-party packages (four freedoms not required). Mateusz ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
Hi, On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 12:40 PM Jim Hall wrote: > > If anyone here is interested in writing articles about FreeDOS, > Opensource.com is interested in running FreeDOS articles. > > Here's the list they shared, in case this inspires anyone to write an article: > > - apt > - Chaos Engineering for K8s > - dnf > - GIMP > - Git > - GNOME > - GNU Screen > - Go Beginners > - Home Automation > - Inkscape > - SELinux > - systemd > - tmux I assume you meant we can (also) write open source articles about the above subjects, too. But, AFAIK, none of those directly relates or interacts with FreeDOS. > - Awk > - C Programming > - Curl > - Emacs > - find command > - GDB > - Grep > - Networking > - Sed > - Vim > - wget We do have: awk gcc curl emacs find gdb grep (networking, e.g. links2) sed vim wget So these would be the ideal topics for us, IMHO. Sed, in particular, I always say is my favorite tool. But I'm not sure what I would write about using it (adapting PSR Invaders?? I used that as a testbed to practice certain things). Or I could write about P5 (pcom / pint ... or even P4, its weaker predecessor). I used GNU Pascal and GNU Make to build and test that under FreeDOS. That too can translate PSR Invaders to NASM syntax (instead of proprietary TASM). But I'm not sure PSR Invaders is valid since it's "sources available" but not necessarily four freedoms "open source". (We never did get clarification from the original author, did we? The code is very old from 1995, so I have no idea how to contact him anyways. It's not included in FreeDOS 1.3 but was in previous releases.) I'm just saying, as useful as Sed is, I can't offhand think of any "big" success story I had with it. (I also used it a bit when rebuilding 16-bit NASM 0.98.39. But that was for TurboC. OpenWatcom [OSI] could just build it "as is".) I also wrote a Befunge-93 interpreter in ISO 7185 (e.g. P5) Pascal (but it also compiled under "Turbo" dialect). That is a toy that is not very useful. I never learned C++, but I did adapt paq8o8 (archiver) to use CPUID to select between upstream's NOASM, MMX, and SSE2 code. I used DJGPP and NASM (since the default older MinGW .EXE was "MMX only" and used a buggy tmpfile() that only worked when run as Admin on Vista). I also bundled (and beta-tested) CWSDPMI r7 for better speed, to auto-enable SSE, and to support swapping (virtual memory). That is GPLv2. Networking (e.g. mTCP's FTP), curl, wget were all used in MetaDOS (which is deprecated). It contained scripts to rebuild (almost always with DJGPP) VILE (based upon MicroEmacs!), Ctags, BIEW/BEYE, PicoC, xgrep [JWasm], NASM 0.98.39, AWK, JWasm. I never did translate Charles Dye's LOCATE (from A86 to NASM). Maybe I should do that? (I do rarely use GNU find, e.g. DJGPP, but not for anything heavy.) Feel free to ask E. C. Masloch to write an article on ldebug (instead of GDB, although we have ports of that, too). I think that would make more sense (vs. GDB). Well, that's all I can think of right now. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
I’d love a place to learn more about Freedos and a place with articles for a beginner/entry. My dad who passed away used a program named IMAGE to make programs for CNC machining on Freedos. I myself have 0 knowledge when it comes to Freedos, I just know how to find the programs but I have no idea how to print them or transfer them. Would love an article/tutorial on basic commands and how to navigate. Thank you, Eze Bommer > On Jan 29, 2023, at 1:02 PM, Mart Zirnask wrote: > > If I manage to build the command line mode of Rob Pike's sam editor > [1] for DOS, I could probably do a writeup on how to use it. Because > of the so-called structural regular expressions [2, 3], it is a really > interesting editor. Excellent for processing arbitrary strings that > spawn across multiple lines, since sam doesn't expect the input to be > full, terminated lines. > > I'm definitely more of an end user, but I like the simplicity of both > DOS and traditional Unix tools. Not a native English speaker, but as a > trained and experienced (albeit currently "former") journalist, I > suppose I could try, especially when somebody would find the time to > proofread my work. Provided I first manage to compile sam, somehow, > some way, ha. > > Another article worth considering is an overview of SvarDOS, or is it > not ready for this yet? A comparison of SvarDOS versus FreeDOS -- or > am I currently in the wrong church with this? :) > > An article about "Ultra minimal minimal minimal FreeDOS" (which is how > I sense SvarDOS) might be interesting to many curious (newbie-) > readers, I suppose. How to stripe FreeDOS only to the most essential > components. > > I have really enjoyed Jim's articles on Opensource.com in the past, > and the Youtube videos are really-really good! Thanks Jim! > > Best, > Mart, > from Estonia > > 1: http://http://sam.cat-v.org/ > 2: http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/sam_lang_tutorial/sam_tut.pdf > 3: http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/structural_regexps/se.pdf > >> On 29/01/2023, Jim Hall wrote: >>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 1:38 PM Linvel Risner >>> wrote: >>> I’m by no means a FreeDOS expert, I’m just a user, but if anyone >>> would like help writing an article I’m here to help. I know our >>> community is very diverse linguistically and as a result I’m >>> more than happy to lend a hand to an English as a second language >>> speaker/writer. I would take no credit, you’d have 100% ownership of >>> the article, I’d just like to help in some way. Reach out if y’all >>> need anything :) >>> >> >> The editors are very cool with multiple authors on >> articles. So it's fine to buddy up with someone to write >> an article. They will list both of you as the author. >> >> And they don't pay for articles (it's a volunteer writing >> site) so it's not like you have to split proceeds. >> >> Opensource publishes articles under a Creative Commons >> license. You still "own" the article, Opensource.com >> doesn't claim it. You can even run the article somewhere >> else if you want. >> >> Jim >> >> >> ___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >> > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
If I manage to build the command line mode of Rob Pike's sam editor [1] for DOS, I could probably do a writeup on how to use it. Because of the so-called structural regular expressions [2, 3], it is a really interesting editor. Excellent for processing arbitrary strings that spawn across multiple lines, since sam doesn't expect the input to be full, terminated lines. I'm definitely more of an end user, but I like the simplicity of both DOS and traditional Unix tools. Not a native English speaker, but as a trained and experienced (albeit currently "former") journalist, I suppose I could try, especially when somebody would find the time to proofread my work. Provided I first manage to compile sam, somehow, some way, ha. Another article worth considering is an overview of SvarDOS, or is it not ready for this yet? A comparison of SvarDOS versus FreeDOS -- or am I currently in the wrong church with this? :) An article about "Ultra minimal minimal minimal FreeDOS" (which is how I sense SvarDOS) might be interesting to many curious (newbie-) readers, I suppose. How to stripe FreeDOS only to the most essential components. I have really enjoyed Jim's articles on Opensource.com in the past, and the Youtube videos are really-really good! Thanks Jim! Best, Mart, from Estonia 1: http://http://sam.cat-v.org/ 2: http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/sam_lang_tutorial/sam_tut.pdf 3: http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/structural_regexps/se.pdf On 29/01/2023, Jim Hall wrote: > On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 1:38 PM Linvel Risner > wrote: >> I’m by no means a FreeDOS expert, I’m just a user, but if anyone >> would like help writing an article I’m here to help. I know our >> community is very diverse linguistically and as a result I’m >> more than happy to lend a hand to an English as a second language >> speaker/writer. I would take no credit, you’d have 100% ownership of >> the article, I’d just like to help in some way. Reach out if y’all >> need anything :) >> > > The editors are very cool with multiple authors on > articles. So it's fine to buddy up with someone to write > an article. They will list both of you as the author. > > And they don't pay for articles (it's a volunteer writing > site) so it's not like you have to split proceeds. > > Opensource publishes articles under a Creative Commons > license. You still "own" the article, Opensource.com > doesn't claim it. You can even run the article somewhere > else if you want. > > Jim > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 1:38 PM Linvel Risner wrote: > I’m by no means a FreeDOS expert, I’m just a user, but if anyone > would like help writing an article I’m here to help. I know our > community is very diverse linguistically and as a result I’m > more than happy to lend a hand to an English as a second language > speaker/writer. I would take no credit, you’d have 100% ownership of > the article, I’d just like to help in some way. Reach out if y’all > need anything :) > The editors are very cool with multiple authors on articles. So it's fine to buddy up with someone to write an article. They will list both of you as the author. And they don't pay for articles (it's a volunteer writing site) so it's not like you have to split proceeds. Opensource publishes articles under a Creative Commons license. You still "own" the article, Opensource.com doesn't claim it. You can even run the article somewhere else if you want. Jim ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
> On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, 18:41 Jim Hall, wrote: >> >> If anyone here is interested in writing articles about FreeDOS, >> Opensource.com is interested in running FreeDOS articles. I write >> articles for them sometimes, and the FreeDOS articles perform very >> well on the site. In fact, they recently listed FreeDOS among their >> list of "topics we're interested in for 2023." Also included in the >> list: conio and C programming. >>[..] On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 1:19 PM John Vella wrote: > That sounds like the sort of thing I'd be interested in doing, but > what sort of article are they looking for? Are they after a "history > of FreeDOS" type article, because that's been done so many times it > would be hard to write anything original, wouldn't it? I think the editors would say they don't need another "history of FreeDOS" article right now. The best time to write a "history of" article is in June when our anniversary comes up again (June 29). The best articles on Opensource.com are "how-to" articles, so you could write an article about "how to use (command) on FreeDOS." Pick a package in the FreeDOS distribution, and write about that. For example, you might show how to use the E3 editor. Or you might show how to use SORT to sort a file starting at column N (such as SORT /+2 to start sorting at column 2). Or you might demo how to use DOjS to do some simple Javascript programming. DOS programming articles are good too, such as the conio and C programming articles that have done well. In my experience, the more focused you can make these, the better. Don't write an article about writing a full game from scratch. Write about a specific programming topic instead. If you have a programming background, you could write an article about "how to write a DOS version of __" such as "how to read an arbitrary-length string in C on FreeDOS" [like Linux getline] or "how to read keyboard input in C on FreeDOS" or "how to play sounds on a SB16 in C on FreeDOS." Those are just some C programming examples; Assembly or Pascal articles are good too. Don't worry about overlap, if Opensource.com already has an article on that topic. As long as the other article isn't too recent, they are glad to run another perspective on the same topic. Especially if your article is at a different difficulty level (maybe the other article was "entry level" and yours is more "for the experienced DOS user"). Also don't worry about it being too "basic" or "entry level." As one of the editors once commented to me (when I asked about "entry level" articles): they have a variety of readers; some are more "expert" folks, some are just getting started. They need articles at all skill levels. (And these days, not a lot of readers had used DOS in the 1980s and 1990s, so it's all new to them anyway - but they are interested to read about it.) For Opensource.com, they only run articles about open source software. So an article about "how to run Lotus 1-2-3 on FreeDOS" will get rejected, because Lotus 1-2-3 is proprietary software. Even "how to run As Easy As on FreeDOS" will get rejected; while As Easy As is free (gratis) it is still proprietary (closed source). But "how to play Freedoom on FreeDOS" is more likely to be accepted because Freedoom is open source. Jim ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
I’m by no means a FreeDOS expert, I’m just a user, but if anyone would like help writing an article I’m here to help. I know our community is very diverse linguistically and as a result I’m more than happy to lend a hand to an English as a second language speaker/writer. I would take no credit, you’d have 100% ownership of the article, I’d just like to help in some way. Reach out if y’all need anything :) On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 2:20 PM John Vella wrote: > That sounds like the sort of thing I'd be interested in doing, but what > sort of article are they looking for? Are they after a "history of FreeDOS" > type article, because that's been done so many times it would be hard to > write anything original, wouldn't it? > > I look forward to hearing your thoughts. > > Cheers, > > John. > > On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, 18:41 Jim Hall, wrote: > >> If anyone here is interested in writing articles about FreeDOS, >> Opensource.com is interested in running FreeDOS articles. I write >> articles for them sometimes, and the FreeDOS articles perform very >> well on the site. In fact, they recently listed FreeDOS among their >> list of "topics we're interested in for 2023." Also included in the >> list: conio and C programming. >> >> I can tell you the editors are very welcoming, which is why I continue >> to write articles for them. If English isn't your first language, and >> you aren't confident of your English writing skills, they can help >> with editing to make the final version really nice. >> >> Here's the list they shared, in case this inspires anyone to write an >> article: >> >> - accessibility >> - Ansible >> - apt >> - Awk >> - Bash scripting >> - Blender >> - C getopt >> - C Programming >> - Chaos Engineering for K8s >> - Compose Key >> - conio >> - Containers/Pods >> - cron >> - Curl >> - DevOps >> - DevSecOps >> - dnf >> - doxygen >> - Emacs >> - find command >> - Firewall >> - FreeDOS >> - GDB >> - GIMP >> - Git >> - GNOME >> - GNU Screen >> - Go Beginners >> - Grep >> - Home Automation >> - Inkscape >> - Intro Small Scale Scrum >> - Java >> - JavaScript >> - Jinja2 >> - Jupyter >> - Kdenlive >> - Kubectl >> - Kubernetes >> - Kubernetes SRE >> - Linux Apps >> - Linux perms >> - Logrotate >> - Markdown >> - MySQL >> - Networking >> - Parted >> - Pygame eBook >> - PyPI >> - Python >> - Raspberry Pi >> - Running K8s on RPi >> - Rust >> - Sed >> - SELinux >> - SSH >> - sudo >> - sustainability >> - systemd >> - tmux >> - Vim >> - wget >> >> Email the editors at o...@opensource.com >> >> They have a "write for us" page at https://opensource.com/writers >> >> >> ___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >> > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
That sounds like the sort of thing I'd be interested in doing, but what sort of article are they looking for? Are they after a "history of FreeDOS" type article, because that's been done so many times it would be hard to write anything original, wouldn't it? I look forward to hearing your thoughts. Cheers, John. On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, 18:41 Jim Hall, wrote: > If anyone here is interested in writing articles about FreeDOS, > Opensource.com is interested in running FreeDOS articles. I write > articles for them sometimes, and the FreeDOS articles perform very > well on the site. In fact, they recently listed FreeDOS among their > list of "topics we're interested in for 2023." Also included in the > list: conio and C programming. > > I can tell you the editors are very welcoming, which is why I continue > to write articles for them. If English isn't your first language, and > you aren't confident of your English writing skills, they can help > with editing to make the final version really nice. > > Here's the list they shared, in case this inspires anyone to write an > article: > > - accessibility > - Ansible > - apt > - Awk > - Bash scripting > - Blender > - C getopt > - C Programming > - Chaos Engineering for K8s > - Compose Key > - conio > - Containers/Pods > - cron > - Curl > - DevOps > - DevSecOps > - dnf > - doxygen > - Emacs > - find command > - Firewall > - FreeDOS > - GDB > - GIMP > - Git > - GNOME > - GNU Screen > - Go Beginners > - Grep > - Home Automation > - Inkscape > - Intro Small Scale Scrum > - Java > - JavaScript > - Jinja2 > - Jupyter > - Kdenlive > - Kubectl > - Kubernetes > - Kubernetes SRE > - Linux Apps > - Linux perms > - Logrotate > - Markdown > - MySQL > - Networking > - Parted > - Pygame eBook > - PyPI > - Python > - Raspberry Pi > - Running K8s on RPi > - Rust > - Sed > - SELinux > - SSH > - sudo > - sustainability > - systemd > - tmux > - Vim > - wget > > Email the editors at o...@opensource.com > > They have a "write for us" page at https://opensource.com/writers > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?
If anyone here is interested in writing articles about FreeDOS, Opensource.com is interested in running FreeDOS articles. I write articles for them sometimes, and the FreeDOS articles perform very well on the site. In fact, they recently listed FreeDOS among their list of "topics we're interested in for 2023." Also included in the list: conio and C programming. I can tell you the editors are very welcoming, which is why I continue to write articles for them. If English isn't your first language, and you aren't confident of your English writing skills, they can help with editing to make the final version really nice. Here's the list they shared, in case this inspires anyone to write an article: - accessibility - Ansible - apt - Awk - Bash scripting - Blender - C getopt - C Programming - Chaos Engineering for K8s - Compose Key - conio - Containers/Pods - cron - Curl - DevOps - DevSecOps - dnf - doxygen - Emacs - find command - Firewall - FreeDOS - GDB - GIMP - Git - GNOME - GNU Screen - Go Beginners - Grep - Home Automation - Inkscape - Intro Small Scale Scrum - Java - JavaScript - Jinja2 - Jupyter - Kdenlive - Kubectl - Kubernetes - Kubernetes SRE - Linux Apps - Linux perms - Logrotate - Markdown - MySQL - Networking - Parted - Pygame eBook - PyPI - Python - Raspberry Pi - Running K8s on RPi - Rust - Sed - SELinux - SSH - sudo - sustainability - systemd - tmux - Vim - wget Email the editors at o...@opensource.com They have a "write for us" page at https://opensource.com/writers ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
