Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on the Ultimate Boot Cd
I tried to download the 3.3 .ISO but couldn't find it, could you? On Fri, 2005-08-07 at 22:04 +0200, Florian Xaver wrote: Hi! Have you known this? http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ Bye, Flo --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happening July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dual core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by HP, AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happening July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dual core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by HP, AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] mem command
Hi, I would like to modify the MEM command to run on the 8088. Can anyone give some pointers or suggestions on going about it? Also, i looked at the sources, looks like it was assembled with TASM which i don't have, neither do i have MASM. I only have the Arrow Asm, and NASM. If you know any freeware TASM clones that would be helpful too. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] text editor's and mem command
Actually, i discovered (thanks to Eric Auer) that TED3 works perfectly on the 8088. Being a bit speed-impaired, this is a more ideal editor FD Edit .7x for an XT. What is it about FD-KEYB that makes it 286 compatible, but not 8088? Hi, It seems you solved your problem, but for the records, notice that FD-KEYB is still 286+ (planned to support 8088) Aitor --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] 16-bit DPMI Dosx
Hello, does anyone know of a freeware DOS extender for 286?Also perhaps a 16-DPMI since not all extenders have built in DMPI services. Opensource would be best so i can look at the source code. The only one i've seen is DOS16M which is not free. I don't have Turbo C 3+ either so i can't use the one that comes with it. "an open world has no windows or gates"http://gnu.mirrors.typhon.net/
Re: [Freedos-user] text editor's and mem command
LOL - remember that this is the hardware that DOS was designed for! A PII could comfortably run Linux with X ... but my XT has a much more limited selection of O/S's to chose from. I bought it from the U.S. equivalent of a 'goodwill' store for $5 Canadian, and hey, it's still technologicaly superior to my Tandy 1000 that cannot even run FreeDOS due to it's memory size of 128kb. BTW i'm certain someone has used FD in embedded systems somewhere. I noticed when i was at a bank the other day, the tiny 5 monitor on a cash counting machine had the familiar IBM extended ASCII character's used for drawing boxes around the text so i took a closer look at the machine and saw a label that said DOS for embedded systems on it. Being free, I'm sure some companies must chose FreeDOS. - Original Message - From: Carl William Spitzer IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FreeDOS freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] text editor's and mem command On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 17:16, GNU_man wrote: Ok this is two questions in one here, I just did a real minimalistic FreeDOS install via 5 1/4 floppy on my new computer. No DOS text editors work on this machine, they all crash - including TED tiny editor. I suspect it could be something do with the keyboard. Please Do you work at the Smithsonian Institute that thing is an antique. And here I thought I had old hardware with a PII. Looks like `the speed of modern embedded systems. Has anyone tried Freedos in embedded hw? +-CWSIV+ --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7412alloc_id=16344op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7412alloc_id=16344op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Announce: EDIT 0.7c pre-release :-)
Eric, could you explain to me the reason Edit 0.7 works on my 8088 and the version included w/ distro doesn't? I am trying to get TED to work also, since i have the source for it i can modify it run also? TED is perfect, it's the one i use on my 286 because it's small and very fast, all others are too slow on machines below 386. In case you forgot, what happens with TED right now is the screen displays, then characters start repeating across the top just as one of the keys were being held down. Keyboard input is ignored, and i must reboot. - Original Message - From: Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 11:19 PM Subject: [Freedos-user] Announce: EDIT 0.7c pre-release :-) Hi, I am happy to announce EDIT 0.7c with some new features :-) http://www.coli.uni-sb.de/~eric/stuff/soft/by-others/edit07c.zip This EDIT supports Alt-digit for window selection, Ctrl-F to go and F_ind something, and it has a cute new ASCII table window. Actually the Alt-digit thing was a pain, because EDIT does not normally keep windows sorted by anything else than Z axis (as it has to draw windows from background to top layer to get the display overlapping right). I had to add a whole new window list thing to keep Alt-digit locked to the same windows. Other changes: If you run into a write error, the try again should now throw you to save as, not to try again exactly the same way, as the latter only makes sense for diskettes. Would be nice if you could test that... Note that I did NOT yet manage to get check if drive / directory exists in, which is needed if the user types a drive / directory spec directly in the filename field instead of using the menu lists to navigate. Text block handling should now work in all cases even if you mark the block backwards, and you should be able to cut and undo the cut for arbitrarily big blocks. Edit now calls int 2a.84 when it feels bored. This gives FDAPM the right hint and lets you save energy with FDAPM APMDOS while editing. Another small improvement is that the clock display is no longer blinking :-). Please test EDIT 0.7c pre - simple bugs can be fixed in the normal 0.7c release then (if needed). There are quite a few things on the list for 0.7d, though: Compress spaces to tabs when saving, add a window for my strange fixed point math expression evaluator, check if drive / path are valid and writeable before writing, check if the target file is writeable before writing, highlight the current sub-item on the file selection dialog (e.g. highlight the directory selection box when you are in that part of the file selection dialog), show statistics about the text (bytes, words, lines, ...?), make EDIT show the DFLAT escape chars (89, 8c, ae, af) properly (ideas?), add functions like ruler, upcase block, downcase block, show line numbers, tile windows, cascade windows, lots of other things. Probably only a fraction of that will REALLY be in 0.7d, so please tell me which of the functions are important for you. And please check if old bugs still occur or new bugs got introduced with 0.7c... Eric PS: One bug which should be fixed now is that you could get off-screen cursor positions when using different resolutions in EDIT and in DOS, which resulted in effects like DOS showing no text, no cursor, black on black text, and so on. PPS: Alt-digit to select one of the first 9 windows only works with the left digit keys, not with the numpad ones, as alt-numpaddigit is already in use by the BIOS to let you compose arbitrary ASCII chars. And by the way, you can use Alt-F6 to cycle through windows - seems that Alt-TAB would be a problem for the keyboard driver, but you have Alt-F6. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393alloc_id=16281op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393alloc_id=16281op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Re: text editor's and mem command
Thanks for the info. I forgot about the freecom XMS swap thing, i'll look into that first. The reason i mentioned the keyboard is that when i first tried to fire up the computer (i just bought it yesterday) i got a keyboard error:100 Luckily i have a vast collection of old PC parts, including a vintage IBM PC keyboard - this one worked. The modern ones, i forget what they are called, started sending characters to the screen without me pressing any keys. When i tried to run TED on another 8088, the same phenomenon occured with a working keyboard. I hope that makes sense! So i guessed that it was caused by a keyboard incompatibility. Maybe these fullscreen DOS text editors only work with the modern kbd hardware? As for old hard drives, you would be surprised! I have about a dozen HD's ranging from 30 - 500MB, all working fine, although i haven't scaned them aggresively for bad sectors or anything. I have successfully installed FreeDOS on all my old PC's (all 7) ranging from 8088 - 486DX/2 except my Tandy 1000 (circa 1984) because it only has 128kb RAM and no HD (running DOS 2.11) but it's still working great!. The Tandy 1000 is the equivalent of a IBM PC jr. I read that all the memory is actually video memory, so it's as slow as they come. Although IMO the 8088's 8-bit data bus probably is no faster than the RAM anyway. I love the FreeDOS project and i want to contribute to it. Although i am a programmer still in training, not skilled enough to contribute code YET - but would be happy to do any hardware testing for the project. You asked what i plan to do with my XT? I use it to mainly test code that I write using Turbo C, Arrow ASM and NASM. I always try to optimize my code to the max, and the 8088 is the perfect test to reveal code efficiency. Thanks again for the advice! - Original Message - From: Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:49 PM Subject: [Freedos-user] Re: text editor's and mem command Hi, I assume that your problem is because the used editors either use too much RAM or because they are optimized for 286 or 386 CPU... You should try EDIT 0.7b (edit07b.zip) as an alternative branch, maybe EDIT 0.82 is optimized for 286 CPU? However, even TED3 crashes, which is strange. You should also try a non XMS swapping FreeCOM shell version: The normal command com will keep a lot of data in XMS, and if there is no XMS, it will use a lot of RAM. The non XMS swapping version does not use XMS. Instead, it has the call /s program options command, which can be used if program options does not work because not enough RAM is free. The call /s command makes FreeCOM hibernate while your program is running, so you get more free RAM for your program. For MEM, please try mem17bet.zip version 1.7 beta... In both cases, I assume you can find the files with google or from the FreeDOS.org software list. http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freecom/packages/082pl3/ has the newest stable (non-devel) FreeCOM versions. The binary zip is for you, the xmsswap zip is for users with XMS, the other zips are special versions, toolkits, source. http://fdos.org/kernel/ has the newest devel and CVS stable kernels (potentially daily updates), use the stable one. As your harddisk is small, use the non-FAT32 kernel to save a bit of RAM. http://fdos.org/AutoIndex/index?dir=kernel/ has many versions of kernels and (only XMS swapping ones, sorry) shells. Try for example kwc8616 zip or ktc8616 zip. http://www.fdos.org/bootdisks/ might be interesting, too. Brand: Laser Turbo XT (circa 1987) CPU:4.77Mhz 8088 RAM: 640kb Video: VGA (with 5.25 diskette drives and 30 MB slow harddisk, actually surprising that the disk still works. Most disks below 1 GB size have fallen apart to dust by now :-| or gotten unreliable) Let us know if you find other programs in the distro (the ODIN one diskette one, for example) which fail to work on your PC even though they are supposed to work without EMS / XMS. Do not try defrag, will be too slow without XMS and unneeded stress for your old harddisk. If programs are VERY slow on your PC, let us know, too. I mean slower than you would expect for a DOS program on 1987 PC. By the way, what are you planning to do with that PC XT? Interesting that such machines are still alive :-). Eric --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393alloc_id=16281op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes!
[Freedos-user] text editor's and mem command
Ok this is two questions in one here, I just did a real minimalistic FreeDOS install via 5 1/4 floppy on my new computer. No DOS text editors work on this machine, they all crash - including TED tiny editor. I suspect it could be something do with the keyboard. Please don't tell me i'm stuck with edlin, but i will accept this fate if i must :-) Also the external command 'mem' crashes the machine. Aside from this, FreeDOS runs great! Here are the specs: Brand: Laser Turbo XT (circa 1987) CPU:4.77Mhz 8088 - can be 'turboed' into a rip-roaring 9Mhz! RAM: 640kb Video: VGA KB: Original IBM - the 'normal' (modern) keyboards don't work at all BIOS:Generic HD: 30MB - slow as hell! :-P I think that's all that would be pertinent for trouble-shooting. thanks for any help.please no sarcasm suggesting that i upgrade! i am a stubborn junk collector. ;-) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393alloc_id=16281op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] text editor's and mem command
LOL! Actually i love edlin. I was delighted to see a new release of edlin, and i downloaded it right away. But for practical purposes, such as editing source code or a batch file, i'm afraid i'm too spoiled by fullscreen editors :) BTW i still tinker with my Tandy 1000 PC with 128kb RAM, making edlin the ONLY text editor so we are old friends; that's why i made that sarcastic comment! - Original Message - From: Gregory Pietsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] text editor's and mem command GNU_man wrote: Please don't tell me i'm stuck with edlin, but i will accept this fate if i must :-) Am I supposed to feel insulted? I tried to write a better edlin than edlin, and this is what people think of my work! ;-) Gregory Pietsch --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393alloc_id=16281op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393alloc_id=16281op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Compilation with DJGPP using RHIDE
Hello everyone, I have a question regarding compilation of C programs under FreeDOS, I doubt this is exclusive to FreeDOS, but anyway, I want to know if there is any solution. The compile time of GCC using Rhide is intolerable, about 20 seconds - even for a very small program. (using a PII 400 Mhz 128MB RAM) whereas on Windows the same would take about 1 second. I'm guessing that it has something to do with caching. The reason I don't just use windows is that Rhide crashes under Windows 98 constantly - just try changing directories or accessing help menu items, or even quitting Rhide the program exits with a 'General Protection Fault' Under DOS though it almost never crashes. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286 (FreeDOS not ONLY for old PC)
Johnson Lam wrote: On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:29:46 +0100, you wrote: Hi Aitor, Sorry for breaking in ... I disagree. FreeDOS is not "suited for old machines", but "suited for running DOS16/DOS32 code", as well as you can use WindowsXP to run your Win32 code and Linux to run your Linux code. Have you ever tried to run DOOM or HERETIC in a WinXP dosbox? In my testings it doesn't work (it gets too slow, it's not playable). So I can switch to FreeDOS to run this code. Oh thanks Aitor, you speak the exact words I want to say: FreeDOS is not ONLY for old PC's. FreeDOS aim is capable to run on old PC 'AND ALSO' new PC which have PCI and upcoming PCI-Express, and able to bring the old DOS program to the latest hardware. Furthermore, FreeDOS can run some standalone tools to rescue data, making backups (such as GHOST or USB hard disk copy) and even system diagnostic, RAM test ... etc. Thanks everyone who contribute to improve FreeDOS, and I keep up reading FreeDOS32 news, hoping to see a stronger DOS working environment. Rgds, Johnson. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user I think some people misunderstood what I originally said about FD and old PC's. I didn't say ONLY, i just meant in addition to providing a true DOS O/S for your current computer, FD is is "ideal" for really old PC's because besides DOS there is not much else you can do with it! For example, I have a 12Mhz 286 that would be completely useless if I didn't have FreeDOS. But I am learning how to program, and an old PC+(Free)DOS is perfect for that, especially assembly language. Finding a legit. version of MS-DOS these days is like finding an honest politician, but thanks to FD you can even study some of the source code to help you learn how to program, not to mention all the added functionality of FD. The reason I like using such a slow PC is that you can actually see the difference in performance between good code and sloppy code. On a more modern machine than my 286, a routine written in interpreted QBasic would appear to run no slower than my highly optimized assembler routine!
