Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
Also, using the all-numeric representation (2011-08-02 18:09:06) makes DIR dead simple for localization. There are no strings to replace. Except if a 12-hour time format is desired. Regards, Christian -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
Jim wrote: I like this one: 2011-08-02 18:09:06 just make it the default ;-) cm wrote: Except if a 12-hour time format is desired no point ;-) -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
Why not 18'446'744'073'709'551'615 ??? Comma and dot are usually used to separate fractional part: PI = 3.14159265358979 That's a nice idea, though at first glance a bit odd looking. Any systems using this upper [`] or ['] ? FASM :-) Using it in all my sources :-) The ASCII code is 39. The source code (NOT FASM) is here: http://freebasic.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12600 (to be included in my MD5 calculator, ooops links are dead, have to reupload it) How's DIR gonna sort by date when AUG goes before JUL Don't spell the month out if there is a risk of sort, see older post: 2011-08-02 18:09:06 or 2011-08(Aug)-02 (Tue) 18:09:06 (sorts well) or 2011-Aug-02 Tue 18:09:06 (doesn't sort well) so default should be NOT spelled out. -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
How's DIR gonna sort by date when AUG goes before JUL Don't spell the month out if there is a risk of sort, see older post: I like this one: 2011-08-02 18:09:06 But not these: 2011-08(Aug)-02 (Tue) 18:09:06 (sorts well) or 2011-Aug-02 Tue 18:09:06 (doesn't sort well) so default should be NOT spelled out. Also, using the all-numeric representation (2011-08-02 18:09:06) makes DIR dead simple for localization. There are no strings to replace. -jh -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
* number: nnn.nnn.nnn,xyz (european) Why not 18'446'744'073'709'551'615 ??? Comma and dot are usually used to separate fractional part: PI = 3.14159265358979 * separater: ehm no idea. Of who or what ? * keyboard: QWERTY with EURO (858 thus), still not managed to get a euro-sign in DOS but likely depends on having KEYB loaded, which crashes What's the ASCII code of EURO ??? BTW, EURO is obsolete and crashing too :-D I think it's less ambiguous to just spell out the month Acceptable idea. and use AM/PM time, e.g.: Horrible :-( Tue 02 Aug 2011, 06:08pm what's the benefit ? Please supply at least ONE argument ;-) And (POSIX?) Linux date seems to be similarly unambiguous: Tue Aug 2 18:09:06 CDT 2011 Horrible :-( (please supply code to sort such dates !!!) What's wrong with: 2011-Aug-02 Tue 18:09:06 ??? -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
-Original Message- From: dos386 [mailto:dos...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 8:32 AM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks. ... and use AM/PM time, e.g.: Horrible :-( Tue 02 Aug 2011, 06:08pm what's the benefit ? Please supply at least ONE argument ;-) And (POSIX?) Linux date seems to be similarly unambiguous: Tue Aug 2 18:09:06 CDT 2011 Horrible :-( (please supply code to sort such dates !!!) Unabmiguous, yes, but doesn't sort. What's wrong with: 2011-Aug-02 Tue 18:09:06 ??? That one doesn't sort very well either (puts April next to August). What's wrong with the SQL standard: 2011-08-02 18:09:06 Sorts perfectly as a string. -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
2011-Aug-02 Tue 18:09:06 That one doesn't sort very well either (puts April next to August) Indeed :-( so 2011-08-02 18:09:06 or 2011-08(Aug)-02 (Tue) 18:09:06 -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
-Original Message- From: dos386 [mailto:dos...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 9:10 AM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks. 2011-Aug-02 Tue 18:09:06 That one doesn't sort very well either (puts April next to August) Indeed :-( so 2011-08-02 18:09:06 or 2011-08(Aug)-02 (Tue) 18:09:06 Personally, I don't care for having the month name as well as the number, though I could live with it. I do like having the day of the week in there, though. Dave -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 06:10 -0700, dos386 wrote: 2011-08-02 18:09:06 My vote's on the ISO 8601 standard (like above) - it makes it easy to sort directories in date order. I recommend FreeDOS adopts the ISO 8601 standard, and only convert dates for humans based on their country/locale. -- Tactical Nuclear Kittens -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
Op 4-8-2011 14:32, dos386 schreef: * number: nnn.nnn.nnn,xyz (european) Why not 18'446'744'073'709'551'615 ??? Comma and dot are usually used to separate fractional part: PI = 3.14159265358979 That's a nice idea, though at first glance a bit odd looking. Any systems using this upper [`] or ['] ? * separater: ehm no idea. Of who or what ? time and date, currency. * keyboard: QWERTY with EURO (858 thus), still not managed to get a euro-sign in DOS but likely depends on having KEYB loaded, which crashes What's the ASCII code of EURO ??? BTW, EURO is obsolete and crashing too :-D € = alt-0128 (under Windows). Haven't been able to get it recently working under DOS due to needing to sort out some issues with KEYB. [Right-Alt + 5] should also work I think it's less ambiguous to just spell out the month Acceptable idea. How's sorting by month gonna work when it's not numerical? A directory C:\BACKUP\[MMDD] is quite nice. And (POSIX?) Linux date seems to be similarly unambiguous: Tue Aug 2 18:09:06 CDT 2011 but they use timestamps ranging from 1970 to 2038 or so, so no wonder they can represent date any way they like, including timezone stuff. Horrible :-( (please supply code to sort such dates !!!) What's wrong with: 2011-Aug-02 Tue 18:09:06 ??? How's DIR gonna sort by date when AUG goes before JUL due to alphabetical issues? Or intending to add code to list the order of months ? -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
Why not 18'446'744'073'709'551'615 ??? Comma and dot are usually used to separate fractional part: PI = 3.14159265358979 That's a nice idea, though at first glance a bit odd looking. Any systems using this upper [`] or ['] ? I considered adding the single quote ' as separator to my debugger's expression evaluator (besides the NASM style underscore _) but it clashed with its usage as quote for strings. (Could have overloaded it inside digit sequences, but the syntax is too kludgy already anyway.) The weird other quotes ` and ´ are too difficult to type (at least on German keyboard layouts) so I haven't considered using those yet. What's the ASCII code of EURO ??? BTW, EURO is obsolete and crashing too :-D = alt-0128 (under Windows). It was a trick question, there's no ASCII code of . And in any case, I'd prefer to specify its code as U+20AC instead of as weird Alt+numpad sequences. 2011-Aug-02 Tue 18:09:06 ??? How's DIR gonna sort by date when AUG goes before JUL due to alphabetical issues? Or intending to add code to list the order of months ? I feel like DIR should sort by the binary values of the date anyway, not the string representations. Regards, Christian -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
... or all the other date formattings No point of existence ;-) German dd.mm. hh:mm 1.000,00 for COUNTRY than BIOS default US QWERTY) are totally different I prefer to keep things simple (QWERTY, @ and \ discoverable) and convenient (-MM-DD HH:MM:SS) - no need for messing up eveything. Anyone has a clue how many permutations of timestamps or keyboard exist at all ? In any case, I don't need more than ONE ;-) -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
Hi dos386, ... or all the other date formattings No point of existence ;-) I hope zou do not think that about other countries as well... German dd.mm. hh:mm 1.000,00 for COUNTRY than BIOS default US QWERTY) are totally different I prefer to keep things simple (QWERTY, @ and \ discoverable) and convenient (-MM-DD HH:MM:SS) - no need for messing up eveything. Anyone has a clue how many permutations of timestamps or keyboard exist at all ? In any case, I don't need more than ONE ;-) Keyboard very many, date / time very few. I think your preferred style is either what the American default is anyway or maybe a small variant, if default has am/pm. So I am sure you can find a setting with date and time style of your taste in the kernel. And I am sure that you need no drivers for keyboard or fonts, because you already like the BIOS default settings for those :-) Eric -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
Hi Bernd, Dos386, I'd like to see -MM-DD (with dashes) and without COUNTRY. ... or Japanese MMDD as Bernd mentioned ... makes sorting files by date so much easier. :-) ...or all the other date formattings: You can just set your country depending on your taste. As long as you do not use nlsfunc, nothing will try to make your keyboard or font Japanese. Simply pick a place where date, time and number formats match your taste, e.g. German dd.mm. hh:mm 1.000,00 for COUNTRY even if your LANG setting for strings, DISPLAY fonts (if any) and keyboard layout (if any other than BIOS default US QWERTY) are totally different ;-) Eric PS: Note that COUNTRY also influences the yes no characters and currency sign and a few other things... Some countries even have a slightly specific collate order (e.g. how to sort accented chars). -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
intentionally, as far as I remember for mimicking MS style EDR-DOS doesn't have this bug ;-) If MS COMMAND.COM for DOS didn't have a setting for 4-digit year Another one: all dates should be -MM-DD and times without the silly a and p -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- Got Input? Slashdot Needs You. Take our quick survey online. Come on, we don't ask for help often. Plus, you'll get a chance to win $100 to spend on ThinkGeek. http://p.sf.net/sfu/slashdot-survey ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
Op 30-7-2011 15:05, Zbigniew schreef: Another one: all dates should be -MM-DD and times without the silly a and p ...or could respect the convention: - when dash used as separator - date is -MM-DD - when dot - date format is DD.MM. - when slash - the format is MM/DD/ Such way it could be more flexible This is COUNTRY.SYS related, but maybe the /4 setting indeed should use modern settings. Japanese MMDD has always been my favourite, makes sorting files by date so much easier. -- Got Input? Slashdot Needs You. Take our quick survey online. Come on, we don't ask for help often. Plus, you'll get a chance to win $100 to spend on ThinkGeek. http://p.sf.net/sfu/slashdot-survey ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
I'd like to see -MM-DD (with dashes) and without COUNTRY. makes sorting files by date so much easier. :-) -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- Got Input? Slashdot Needs You. Take our quick survey online. Come on, we don't ask for help often. Plus, you'll get a chance to win $100 to spend on ThinkGeek. http://p.sf.net/sfu/slashdot-survey ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
IIRC I had reported this BUG some time ago ... if volume is empty, I want to see how much space for bloat I have ;-) -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- Got Input? Slashdot Needs You. Take our quick survey online. Come on, we don't ask for help often. Plus, you'll get a chance to win $100 to spend on ThinkGeek. http://p.sf.net/sfu/slashdot-survey ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
Hi for the third, IIRC I had reported this BUG some time ago ... if volume is empty, I want to see how much space for bloat I have ;-) That is not a bug, dos386. FreeCOM command.com DIR does this intentionally, as far as I remember for mimicking MS style, which in turn might be necessary for some older batch files. However, I understand your point, so maybe we could either make this configurable (maybe even dynamically, DIR settings in an environment variable already are supported anyway) or we could have a vote about what style is preferred ;-) Eric -- Got Input? Slashdot Needs You. Take our quick survey online. Come on, we don't ask for help often. Plus, you'll get a chance to win $100 to spend on ThinkGeek. http://p.sf.net/sfu/slashdot-survey ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
