Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Goal: Make a shiny new site for the celebration and keep the news up to date. Priority: high Responsible: volunteer needed, parv? Status: planning schedule Again, I can offer a set of php-scripts (GPL) which can either run on an apache server with php-modules installed or which can be used to generate a whole html-tree runable on a server without php. The relation among the different pages belonging to a web site is recongnized by the scripts so that changing one page does not mean updating all other pages refering to this site. One can choose different layout and navigation styles. To get an idea what it could look like have look at my homepage (only in german at the moment). In the right upper corner the is a link which toggles between two layout and navigation styles. (Note the two different navigation styles if you move to subpages.) The site is currently set up using style sheets. Since this is not fully supported by netscape 4.x it may look different with this browser. The site should be displayed properly with mozilla, opera, msie :-( and even with netscape 4.7x with JavaScript and Stylesheets turned on (Netscape needs Javascript to display style sheets properly). The usage of style sheets is not mandatory. I used it since it is efficient and easy to use. Uwe -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 09:52:15PM -0500, parv wrote: in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote [EMAIL PROTECTED] thusly... The most pressing issue is a new web site. Do you mean wholly new web site, or will a separate directory for the occasion (either on fvwm.org or under my own personal space somewhere) be enough? Goal: Make a shiny new site for the celebration and keep the news up to date. Priority: high Responsible: volunteer needed, parv? Yes. I do. Status: planning schedule 10-Apr * Write a short announcement message for the 1st of June and discuss it on fvwm-workers. [pending] Ok, Can do. Forgot to mention that this is only the announcement message on the (old) web page. 15-Apr * Put the announcement on the web page. [pending until 15-Apr] * Put the announcement for the logo competition on the web site. [pending until 15-Apr] ok. * Make a web page for the logo competition. [pending] I personally prefer little or no doodas on a web page. Check it yourself... http://www103.pair.com/parv/ Sparse decorations are no problem. The result should look more professional than what we have now, and more eye friendly. It must be easy to read and the backgound must give a good contrast to the text. And, of course, it should not insult anybody's aesthetic feeling (green text on red background, or a pink title on grey background as we have now). ..so if anybody else think that my style doesn't/won't fit the celebration, by all means let me know take over the design at any point. I would like to keep the new design after the birthday. For the birthday it should be a bit mor colourful (with confetti and such ;-) ), but after that the more plain style is better. 25-May * Make a shiny web site for the celebration and post it on fvwm-workers. [pending] * Make a web page with the pictures of the developers. [pending] See above I personally 30-May * Upload the celebration page. [pending until 30-May] Can do. 30-Jun * Remove the celebration page or keep the page but remove references to the birthday event. [pending until 30-Jun] I think this item would be responsibility of whomever ends up designing/owning the related pages, right? Yes, it's not interesting now. We can think about it later. Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 08:47:19AM +0100, Uwe Pross wrote: On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Goal: Make a shiny new site for the celebration and keep the news up to date. Priority: high Responsible: volunteer needed, parv? Status: planning schedule Again, I can offer a set of php-scripts (GPL) which can either run on an apache server with php-modules installed or which can be used to generate a whole html-tree runable on a server without php. You have to as Jason what we can do on the web server (I have CC'ed him). See my other mail for more details on what we need. The relation among the different pages belonging to a web site is recongnized by the scripts so that changing one page does not mean updating all other pages refering to this site. One can choose different layout and navigation styles. To get an idea what it could look like have look at my homepage (only in german at the moment). In the right upper corner the is a link which toggles between two layout and navigation styles. (Note the two different navigation styles if you move to subpages.) The site is currently set up using style sheets. Since this is not fully supported by netscape 4.x it may look different with this browser. The site should be displayed properly with mozilla, opera, msie :-( and even with netscape 4.7x with JavaScript and Stylesheets turned on (Netscape needs Javascript to display style sheets properly). Looks very good. The usage of style sheets is not mandatory. I used it since it is efficient and easy to use. Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Dominik Vogt wrote: You have to as Jason what we can do on the web server (I have CC'ed him). See my other mail for more details on what we need. How about if I make suggestion for a layout using the navigation structure from the current web page. I might have time on weekend to do it (or if it not in the beginning of next week). For the first time I could put on my personal webspace. According to your other mail you are quite open regarding to light/dark foreground/background. Or do you have any preferences? How about loading times? Do you want to keep the web page as small as possible? One could do two versions of the layout. One which is simple and small, and one which is more shiny with a lot of pictures but may take a time to load it with a modem. The user could choose which version he wants. Using the php-scripts I mentioned this quite easy to set up. Uwe -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 10:06:14AM +0100, Uwe Pross wrote: On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Dominik Vogt wrote: You have to as Jason what we can do on the web server (I have CC'ed him). See my other mail for more details on what we need. How about if I make suggestion for a layout using the navigation structure from the current web page. I might have time on weekend to do it (or if it not in the beginning of next week). For the first time I could put on my personal webspace. No objections, but you and parv should tem up and coordinate your efforts. According to your other mail you are quite open regarding to light/dark foreground/background. Or do you have any preferences? No. How about loading times? Do you want to keep the web page as small as possible? One could do two versions of the layout. One which is simple and small, and one which is more shiny with a lot of pictures but may take a time to load it with a modem. The user could choose which version he wants. Using the php-scripts I mentioned this quite easy to set up. I don't know. The only requirements I have are a) It must be easy on the eye and easy to read. b) It must not annoy anybody (e.g. with strange or too bright colours, bad text/background contrast, small font sizes, requiring large browser windows, etc.) By the way, these are only *my* opinions. All others have the same right to talk about the web site design. Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm birthday planning / need volunteers
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 09:52:15PM -0500, parv wrote: in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote [EMAIL PROTECTED] thusly... The most pressing issue is a new web site. Do you mean wholly new web site, or will a separate directory for the occasion (either on fvwm.org or under my own personal space somewhere) be enough? Missed that when first reading it. A wholly new site that is kept in separate directories until the birthday. Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web site design thread
Let us discuss further web design discussions here. Below is a summary on what was said up to now. When you reply, please do not quote the whole email but only the parts you are referring to. Please keep topics not related to the web site design out of this thread and post design related emails only here. Goal: Make a shiny new site for the celebration and keep the news up to date. Priority: high Responsible: volunteer needed, parv, Uwe Status: planning schedule 10-Apr * Write a short announcement message for the 1st of June and discuss it on fvwm-workers (for the web site). 15-Apr * Put the announcement on the web page. * Put the announcement for the logo competition on the web site. * Make a web page for the logo competition. 25-May * Make a shiny web site for the celebration and post it on fvwm-workers. * Make a web page with the pictures of the developers. 30-May * Upload the celebration page. 30-Jun * Remove the celebration page or keep the page but remove references to the birthday event. parv Q: Do you mean wholly new web site, or will a separate directory for the occasion (either on fvwm.org or under my own personal space somewhere) be enough? dominik A: A wholly new site that is kept in separate directories until the birthday. dominik Sparse decorations are no problem. The result should look more professional than what we have now, and more eye friendly. It must be easy to read and the backgound must give a good contrast to the text. And, of course, it should not insult anybody's aesthetic feeling (green text on red background, or a pink title on grey background as we have now). dominik I would like to keep the new design after the birthday. For the birthday it should be a bit mor colourful (with confetti and such ;-) ), but after that the more plain style is better. parv * Remove the celebration page or keep the page but remove references to the birthday event. Q: I think this item would be responsibility of whomever ends up designing/owning the related pages, right? dominik A: Yes, it's not interesting now. We can think about it later. Uwe Q: According to your other mail you are quite open regarding to light/dark foreground/background. Or do you have any preferences? dominik A: No. Uwe Q: How about loading times? Do you want to keep the web page as small as possible? One could do two versions of the layout. One which is simple and small, and one which is more shiny with a lot of pictures but may take a time to load it with a modem. The user could choose which version he wants. Using the php-scripts I mentioned this quite easy to set up. dominik A: I don't know. The only requirements I have are a) It must be easy on the eye and easy to read. b) It must not annoy anybody (e.g. with strange or too bright colours, bad text/background contrast, small font sizes, requiring large browser windows, etc.) -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
Hi Dominik! On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 10:46:20AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: Goal: Make a shiny new site for the celebration and keep the news up to date. Ahm, what is shiny in your eyes? Do you have examples on how it could look like? IMHO all a good site needs is an easy navigation. More than two clicks to get what you want is too much. If you ask me: I like the current fvwm.org page somehow. It looks so ... settled :) No, not shiny. CU André -- Never laugh at live dragons. -- Bilbo Baggins [J.R.R. Tolkien, The Hobbit] -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 11:07:26AM +0100, Andre Bonhote wrote: Hi Dominik! On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 10:46:20AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: Goal: Make a shiny new site for the celebration and keep the news up to date. Ahm, what is shiny in your eyes? Do you have examples on how it could look like? No, and I'd rather stay out of this because I have no web design skills at all. But we definitely need something more fancy for the birthday. IMHO all a good site needs is an easy navigation. More than two clicks to get what you want is too much. If you ask me: I like the current fvwm.org page somehow. It looks so ... settled :) No, not shiny. I don't think the current site is too bad. But it has some *very* ugly colour combinations like the pink titles on gray background. Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 11:19:35AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 11:07:26AM +0100, Andre Bonhote wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 10:46:20AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: Goal: Make a shiny new site for the celebration and keep the news up to date. Ahm, what is shiny in your eyes? Do you have examples on how it could look like? No, and I'd rather stay out of this because I have no web design skills at all. But we definitely need something more fancy for the birthday. Umh, maybe you're right about the webdesign skills, but still, you will have sites you like and sites you dislike. Interesting would be a number of sites you like, as you're one of the main developers here. IMHO all a good site needs is an easy navigation. More than two clicks to get what you want is too much. If you ask me: I like the current fvwm.org page somehow. It looks so ... settled :) No, not shiny. I don't think the current site is too bad. But it has some *very* ugly colour combinations like the pink titles on gray background. Dominik, be honest: Does the default configuration fvwm2 comes with look beautiful in your opinion? I mean, if you have a nice and shiny website, you should maybe think about using another default config for future releases. I know, this is OT, but it just came to my mind. Would it be possible to have the website look like fvwm2? Or/and have fvwm2 by default look like the website? This is maybe crazy, but, yeah! why not? Just an idea. I really do _not_ like the default look of fvwm2. I could imagine that a new user would be quite shocked ... (sorry to the creator of that theme, but it's my taste). CU A. -- Steinbach's Guideline for Systems Programming: Never test for an error condition you don't know how to handle. -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 11:21:26AM +0100, Andre Bonhote wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 11:19:35AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: Dominik, be honest: Does the default configuration fvwm2 comes with look beautiful in your opinion? I mean, if you have a nice and shiny website, you should maybe think about using another default config for future releases. That's what I have said for years. The default config makes new users run off screaming in panic. But let's move this topic out of this thread. I know, this is OT, but it just came to my mind. Would it be possible to have the website look like fvwm2? Or/and have fvwm2 by default look like the website? This is maybe crazy, but, yeah! why not? I had the same idea. A web page surrounded by a themable window border, with the menu in the title bar :-) Would be fitting for a window manager. Or perhaps with a pager to navigate the sub pages? Just an idea. I really do _not_ like the default look of fvwm2. I could imagine that a new user would be quite shocked ... (sorry to the creator of that theme, but it's my taste). Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New default config from fvwm-theme?
Mikhael, Olivier, is it feasable to rip a nice, perhaps motif-like default config out of fvwm-themes and use it as fvwm's new example config? Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Andre Bonhote wrote: I know, this is OT, but it just came to my mind. Would it be possible to have the website look like fvwm2? Actually I have thought of this already. Making a web design which uses parts of fvwm screenshots should not been that difficult ;-) Or/and have fvwm2 by default look like the website? This is maybe crazy, but, yeah! why not? Uwe -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CVS domivogt: * Some fixes and improvements for the center Direction option.
CVSROOT:/home/cvs/fvwm Module name:fvwm Changes by: domivogt03/03/13 05:56:45 Modified files: fvwm : conditional.c Log message: * Some fixes and improvements for the center Direction option. -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CVS domivogt: * ChangeLog for last commit.
CVSROOT:/home/cvs/fvwm Module name:fvwm Changes by: domivogt03/03/13 05:57:14 Modified files: . : ChangeLog Log message: * ChangeLog for last commit. -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
virtual tabbing
With my latest commit to the development branch, you can now easily have some kind of 'virtual' tabbed windows. Well, you don't really have tabs, but you can cycle through the stacked windows: Key period A M Direction Center (!iconic, currentpage) raise Then start some windows at the same place with the same size: $ xterm -g +0+0 xterm -g +0+0 xterm -g +0+0 now you can cycle through the windows with Alt-. Works only if the windows are exactly the same size. Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 07:57:48AM -0500, Dan Espen wrote: Dominik Vogt fvwm-workers@fvwm.org writes: I don't think the current site is too bad. But it has some *very* ugly colour combinations like the pink titles on gray background. The background should appear more black than gray. Perhaps the contrast setting on your monitor is low. I prefer the stone look to plain black, just to add some interest, but I have seen the background appear a pretty light gray on some monitors. It doesn't look that way on mine. Since I play some computer games that are very dark, I have set contrast and brightness to the maximum. I'm not against a slightly grained background, but as it is it looks like its nibbling on the text. The body of the pages looks very cleanis, but I dislike the page titles (colours and fonts) and specifically the old fvwm logo - it makes me scream everytime I look at it. It's simply amateurish. As much as I dislike frames, the frame-less site we have looks somewhat like the content is leaking out of the pages. The text lines are too long on some pages. I really like the idea to give the site a 'window' layout with a title bar and a border (perhaps only on the top and the left): +--+ - screen |++| || News | CVS | FVWM HOME PAGE | Themes || - titlebar with |++|- left buttons || |- right buttons || General description |- page title || | |+ | || | || Latest News | || | |+ | || | || Rest of page| || | ... || | || | +--+ Uwe has a button on his site to switch the page theme. Wouldn't this make a great interactive show-off of some fvwm features? There would be a button to cycle through the available themes with a link to download the theme config to put in your .fvwm2rc :-) Does cyan look better than pink? Both look good to me, but the cyan looks a little better. I'll change it if you like it better. I don't think it's a matter of colour. I think the background has to be either black or white. To be readable against a range of colors these are the only 2 colors that have a chance of working. Plus some very dark blue, cyan and gray tones and light grays, close to white. The contrast between pure black and white is too extreme. I really prefer the dark background since I don't like shining a bright light into my eyes. Me too. Does anyone have small public domain images of birthday decorations that could be used as a page frame? Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Dominik Vogt wrote: Wouldn't this make a great interactive show-off of some fvwm features? There would be a button to cycle through the available themes with a link to download the theme config to put in your .fvwm2rc :-) This is great idea. To get an idea I replaced the corner pictures from my web site against some in fvwm style: http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm.php?layout=layout_fvwm_demo The pictures were taken from the fvwm-theme homepage. The navigation menu on the left site could be drawn with pictures from a fvwm menu - but this takes a little bit more time to set up. Uwe -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 03:18:16PM +0100, Uwe Pross wrote: On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Dominik Vogt wrote: Wouldn't this make a great interactive show-off of some fvwm features? There would be a button to cycle through the available themes with a link to download the theme config to put in your .fvwm2rc :-) This is great idea. To get an idea I replaced the corner pictures from my web site against some in fvwm style: http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm.php?layout=layout_fvwm_demo :-D With some effort The pictures were taken from the fvwm-theme homepage. The navigation menu on the left site could be drawn with pictures from a fvwm menu - but this takes a little bit more time to set up. Let's work out the window frame idea first. Perhaps the pager would make an excellent new type of menu, giving a graphical representation of the web site layout :-) Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
Dominik Vogt fvwm-workers@fvwm.org writes: Since I play some computer games that are very dark, I have set contrast and brightness to the maximum. Try Kobo Deluxe. Its not dark, and its the only game you'll ever play. (Well maybe not.) I'm not against a slightly grained background, but as it is it looks like its nibbling on the text. Probaby due to your settings. The texture is supposed to be subtle. The body of the pages looks very cleanis, but I dislike the page titles (colours and fonts) The fonts are your default fonts. We don't set any fonts. and specifically the old fvwm logo - it makes me scream everytime I look at it. It's simply amateurish. I used the old logo because it was the default banner in FvwmBanner. I never switched to the new banner because I think it looks really bad in comparison. I'd like to resolve both issues. -- Dan Espen E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FvwmButtons patch + Suggestion
Hello FVWM workers,
Enclosed is a patch i proposed a few weeks ago, but which wasn't accepted at
the time because of another bug in FvwmButtons. So, i am reposting it for
revision, and would like it committed. The patch adds a new option to
FvwmButtons 'Relief reliefmode' (with reliefmode one of Up, Down, Both),
specifying in which state of the button a relief should be drawn.
Once this is done, I would like to implement two new options for Panel in
FvwmButtons.
The first one is 'OpenCreates': When a button controlling a panel is
clicked, and the panel does not exist yet, the command of the Panel
is executed to create the panel.
This new option induces another possible option, 'NoStart': When FvwmButtons
is started or restarted, the 'command' of the panel is _not_ executed.
I personally have a need for both options, both for a respawning and a non-
respawning panel. Does anyone have any comments on this ?
The names of the options might not be very good, so suggestions on those
are also very welcome.
cheers,
Remko
PS: I am not on the fvwm-workers list.
diff -urw fvwm-cvs/modules/FvwmButtons/FvwmButtons.1
fvwm-cvs.patched/modules/FvwmButtons/FvwmButtons.1
--- fvwm-cvs/modules/FvwmButtons/FvwmButtons.1 Sat Nov 9 16:18:52 2002
+++ fvwm-cvs.patched/modules/FvwmButtons/FvwmButtons.1 Mon Feb 10 20:40:10 2003
@@ -169,6 +169,11 @@
Specifies a background pixmap to use. Specify none (without the
double quotes) for a transparent background.
+.IP *FvwmButtons: Relief \fImode\fP
+Specifies when to draw relief around the button. \fImode\fP is either
+\fIUp\fP, \fIDown\fP or \fIBoth\fP for drawing relief only when
+the button is up, down, or in both cases.
+
.IP *FvwmButtons: Rows \fIrows\fP
Specifies the number of rows of buttons to be created. The default
is 2 rows.
diff -urw fvwm-cvs/modules/FvwmButtons/FvwmButtons.c
fvwm-cvs.patched/modules/FvwmButtons/FvwmButtons.c
--- fvwm-cvs/modules/FvwmButtons/FvwmButtons.c Sat Mar 8 17:27:23 2003
+++ fvwm-cvs.patched/modules/FvwmButtons/FvwmButtons.c Sat Mar 8 17:28:31 2003
@@ -780,6 +780,7 @@
UberButton-title = MyName;
UberButton-swallow = 1; /* the panel is shown */
+ UberButton-relief = RELIEF_BOTH; /* By default, show both reliefs */
/* parse module options */
ParseConfiguration(UberButton);
diff -urw fvwm-cvs/modules/FvwmButtons/FvwmButtons.h
fvwm-cvs.patched/modules/FvwmButtons/FvwmButtons.h
--- fvwm-cvs/modules/FvwmButtons/FvwmButtons.h Tue Oct 1 09:03:29 2002
+++ fvwm-cvs.patched/modules/FvwmButtons/FvwmButtons.h Mon Feb 10 20:40:10 2003
@@ -89,6 +89,7 @@
0x0200 /* By default this only done on Popup */
#define b_Id 0x0400 /* Has a user defined id for referencing */
#define b_IconAlpha 0x0800 /* Icon has an alpha chanel */
+#define b_Relief 0x1000 /* When to use relief */
/* Flags for b-swallow */
#define b_Count 0x0003 /* Init counter for swallowing */
@@ -139,6 +140,7 @@
Pixel bc,hc,sc; /* b_Back !b_IconBack */
FvwmPicture *backicon; /* b_Back b_IconBack */
ushort minx,miny;/* b_Size */
+ byte relief; /* b_Relief */
};
typedef struct
@@ -169,6 +171,10 @@
char *back; /* b_Back */
char *fore; /* b_Fore */
int colorset;/* b_Colorset */
+#define RELIEF_UP 0x1 /* Use relief only in up state */
+#define RELIEF_DOWN 0x2/* Use relief only in down state */
+#define RELIEF_BOTH 0x3/* use relief in both states */
+ byte relief; /* b_Relief */
byte xpad,ypad; /* b_Padding */
signed char framew; /* b_Frame */
byte justify;/* b_Justify */
diff -urw fvwm-cvs/modules/FvwmButtons/button.c
fvwm-cvs.patched/modules/FvwmButtons/button.c
--- fvwm-cvs/modules/FvwmButtons/button.c Tue Oct 1 09:03:29 2002
+++ fvwm-cvs.patched/modules/FvwmButtons/button.c Mon Feb 10 20:40:10 2003
@@ -309,6 +309,24 @@
return -1;
}
+byte buttonRelief(button_info *b)
+{
+button_info *bb = b;
+if (bb-flags b_Relief)
+return bb-relief;
+else if (bb-flags b_Container bb-c-flags b_Colorset)
+return bb-relief;
+while ((bb = bb-parent))
+{
+if (bb-c-flags b_Relief)
+return bb-c-relief;
+}
+#ifdef DEBUG
+fprintf(stderr,%s: BUG: No relief definition?\n,MyName);
+#endif
+return RELIEF_BOTH;
+}
+
int buttonBackgroundButton(button_info *b, button_info **r_b)
{
button_info *tmpb, *pb;
@@ -515,6 +533,7 @@
b-c-back=safestrdup(rgb:90/80/90);
b-c-fore=safestrdup(black);
b-c-framew=2;
+b-c-relief=RELIEF_BOTH;
}
}
diff -urw fvwm-cvs/modules/FvwmButtons/button.h
fvwm-cvs.patched/modules/FvwmButtons/button.h
--- fvwm-cvs/modules/FvwmButtons/button.h Tue Oct 1 09:03:29 2002
+++ fvwm-cvs.patched/modules/FvwmButtons/button.h Mon Feb 10 20:40:10 2003
@@ -42,6 +42,7 @@
Pixel buttonHilite(button_info*);
Pixel
Re: New default config from fvwm-theme?
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 12:04:50PM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: Mikhael, Olivier, is it feasable to rip a nice, perhaps motif-like default config out of fvwm-themes and use it as fvwm's new example config? Yes, this is possible but this needs some works. One problem is that fvwm-themes is complex. So, if we want a good default config easy to edit some work should be done. An Other issue are all the icons used and a way to install it in the fvwm user home dir. I think we should remove all our default configs file and have only one which is more or less the official fvwm default config. Olivier -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CVS domivogt: * Added a logo-competition rules draft to CVS.
CVSROOT:/home/cvs/fvwm Module name:fvwm Changes by: domivogt03/03/13 15:13:55 Modified files: fvwm : fvwm.1.in Added files: . : logo-competition Log message: * Added a logo-competition rules draft to CVS. -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Logo-Competition planning thread
This thread is meant to contain all discussions about the planned logo competition. Please keep unrelated topics out of this thread. To begin with, you can find my first draft of the logo competition rules below. When you replay, please quote only the sections you are referring to. The current draft can always be found in CVS. At this time, input is specifically asked for about the format and size of the contributions and on how to maintain a web page with submitted logos. Fvwm Logo Competition Rules --- *** DRAFT *** !!! (give a short explanation what fvwm is and why it needs a new logo) 1. Competition Schedule * The logo competition begins on 15th of April, 2003. * Contributions can be made up to and including the 31st of July. * From the 3rd of August to the 30th of August, the winning logo will be elected by the fvwm users on the fvwm mailing list. * The winner will be proclaimed on the 31st of August. 2. Logos * Logos can be submitted in either XPM or PNG format. All other formats, including .jpg and .gif are not accepted. * The acceptable size of the logos is about between 240x150 pixels to 360x240 pixels. * No more than 256 colours may be used. * Transparency should be used to shape the image. * As the winning logo is used as a banner, it should have a good contrast to any background. * The submitted logos will be used at full size, scaled down to half size, and to a height of 16 pixels. * The submitted logos will be converted to use no more than 16 colours when packed into the fvwm distribution and should still look good. * A version using only black and white will also be part of the distribution, so it must be possible to still recognize the logo with only two colours. * The name fvwm must appear in the logo, without a version number (i.e. *not* as fvwm2). 3. Contributing * Everybody may participate in the competition with any number of contributions. * Logos can be submitted by A. Posting the URL of the logo to [EMAIL PROTECTED] B. Uploading the logo to ftp://ftp.fvwm.org/pub/incoming/fvwm/ and sending a mail to inform the fvwm@fvwm.org list of the upload. C. Sending the logo as an *aggressively compressed* attachment, no larger than 20kB to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Due to the possible number of contributions, larger files are *not* acceptable. * For our convenience, please use the subject [logo] when you send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * The contributed logos will be exhibited on the logo web page: http://!!! in the three sizes mentioned above, with full colour and with 16 colours. * Logos with illegal, discriminating or otherwise offensive contents, at the discretion of the fvwm developers, will not be accepted. 4. Copyrights and License * The artist retains full copyright of his or her work. * By submitting a logo to the competition, the artist accepts that the logo is converted into XPM format (if necessary) and distributed under the terms of the Gnu General Public License (GPL). !!!Link to GPL. 5. Voting Rules * In the election phase, votes are sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Everybody may vote only only once. * You can give one or no votes for any number of logos. The voting email should contain a list of logos for which you vote. Give a vote for each logo you would enjoy to see as the official fvwm logo. * The logo with the most votes wins. * The above voting mode is meant to determine the logo that is accepted by the broadest range of users and not disliked strogly by a large fraction of fvwm users. * Although everybody may count the votes sent to the fvwm-workers mailing list, the current standings of the election will only be published when the polls are closed. 6. The winner * The winning logo will be shipped with the fvwm distribution (hopefully in 2.6.0) and used as: - A startup banner with the FvwmBanner module at full size. - As a banner on the fvwm web site at full or half size. - At tiny size, rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise as a menu side bar. !!!prize? Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Dominik Vogt, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CVS domivogt: * Updated birthda schedule.
CVSROOT:/home/cvs/fvwm Module name:fvwm Changes by: domivogt03/03/13 15:20:50 Modified files: . : birthday-planning Log message: * Updated birthda schedule. -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FvwmButtons patch + Suggestion
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 07:50:51PM +0100, Remko Troncon wrote: Hello FVWM workers, Enclosed is a patch i proposed a few weeks ago, but which wasn't accepted at the time because of another bug in FvwmButtons. So, i am reposting it for revision, and would like it committed. The patch adds a new option to FvwmButtons 'Relief reliefmode' (with reliefmode one of Up, Down, Both), specifying in which state of the button a relief should be drawn. Once this is done, I would like to implement two new options for Panel in FvwmButtons. The first one is 'OpenCreates': When a button controlling a panel is clicked, and the panel does not exist yet, the command of the Panel is executed to create the panel. This new option induces another possible option, 'NoStart': When FvwmButtons is started or restarted, the 'command' of the panel is _not_ executed. I personally have a need for both options, both for a respawning and a non- respawning panel. Does anyone have any comments on this ? The names of the options might not be very good, so suggestions on those are also very welcome. Because we are in feature freeze, no new features are accepted at the whim of one developer. However, I agree to apply this patch if a) someone else proof reads and applies it, and b) my fellow developers agree. I thought the patch already went into the code. [snip] Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Dominik Vogt, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 11:46:22AM -0500, Dan Espen wrote: Dominik Vogt fvwm-workers@fvwm.org writes: Since I play some computer games that are very dark, I have set contrast and brightness to the maximum. Try Kobo Deluxe. Its not dark, and its the only game you'll ever play. (Well maybe not.) Ever played Thief? :-) I'm not against a slightly grained background, but as it is it looks like its nibbling on the text. Probaby due to your settings. The texture is supposed to be subtle. I asked a colleague and he did not even notice the background was not pure black from a distance of about 1.5 metres. Maybe my eyes are especially sensitive to dim colours. I thought the background was too bright right from the start. The body of the pages looks very cleanis, but I dislike the page titles (colours and fonts) The fonts are your default fonts. We don't set any fonts. Mozilla default fonts, then. THe Serifs are too pronounced for my liking. But setting our own fonts is probably not worth the trouble. and specifically the old fvwm logo - it makes me scream everytime I look at it. It's simply amateurish. I used the old logo because it was the default banner in FvwmBanner. I never switched to the new banner because I think it looks really bad in comparison. I guess we don't need to know exactly which of the two looks worse. The reasoning for the current FvwmBanner logo was everything is better than the old one. That does not imply much quality in the new one. ;-) I'd like to resolve both issues. Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Dominik Vogt, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CVS domivogt: * Made a hack to fix StartsOnScreen + USPosition. StartsOnScreen no longer
CVSROOT:/home/cvs/fvwm Module name:fvwm Changes by: domivogt03/03/13 18:07:30 Modified files: . : ChangeLog NEWS fvwm : placement.c libs : FScreen.c FScreen.h modules: ChangeLog modules/FvwmBanner: FvwmBanner.c modules/FvwmButtons: FvwmButtons.c modules/FvwmDragWell: fvwmDragWell.c modules/FvwmForm: FvwmForm.c modules/FvwmIconBox: FvwmIconBox.c modules/FvwmIconMan: x.c modules/FvwmIdent: FvwmIdent.c modules/FvwmPager: x_pager.c modules/FvwmScroll: GrabWindow.c modules/FvwmTaskBar: FvwmTaskBar.c modules/FvwmWharf: FvwmWharf.c modules/FvwmWinList: FvwmWinList.c Log message: * Made a hack to fix StartsOnScreen + USPosition. StartsOnScreen no longer works for the modules FvwmBanner, FvwmButtons, FvwmDragWell, FvwmIconBox, FvwmIconMan, FvwmIdent, FvwmPager, FvwmScroll, FvwmTaskBar, FvwmWharf, FvwmWinList. Use geometry specification instead. -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo-Competition planning thread
in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote [EMAIL PROTECTED] thusly... ... 6. The winner * The winning logo will be shipped with the fvwm distribution (hopefully in 2.6.0) and used as: ... !!!prize? Prize? What prize? Isn't the logo being part of FVMW a prize in itself? (Rhetorical question people; if you must reply, keep that in mind.) - parv -- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 11:46:22AM -0500, Dan Espen wrote: Dominik Vogt fvwm-workers@fvwm.org writes: The fonts are your default fonts. We don't set any fonts. Mozilla default fonts, then. THe Serifs are too pronounced for my liking. But setting our own fonts is probably not worth the trouble. Setting our own fonts would be a major mistake, (in my opinion). The choice should be on the client side. I never saw any point to Serifs. Theoretically, they increase readability, but I don't get it. In mozilla, its easy to pick: edit-preferences-appearance-fonts-proportional-sans serif -- Dan Espen E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
