Re: iTunes and duplicating songs
On Nov 30, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Dan wrote: From a podcast, I have some nice mp3 tracks. How do I move them from the podcast category to the regular Music area? I don't when to get lost, when I dump the podcast. I tried doing an add on the mp3 file itself, after removing it from the podcast, but it Knew. So it reappeared in the podcast I'm not expert on podcasts or audiobooks, but here is my understanding. In iTunes, I believe at least three different types of files are called MPEG Audio by iTunes under the Kind column when selected in the ViewView Options... preferences menu. These types are: .mp3, .m4a, and .m4b. I believe that normal music is .mp3, while podcasts are .m4a, and audiobooks are .m4b. One of the big differences in these file types is how they handle a Stop command. The .mp3 will stop normally, and upon next play start at the beginning of the track. I believe both the .m4a .m4b work under the assumption that the track is only to be listened to once, and if you use a stop command, upon the next launch they will resume at exactly the same point you previously stopped at. This is really handy for both of these file types. There are program available to convert between these file types, however I've never used any yet (I will soon), but it appears there are many more Windows PC programs than Mac OS X programs for this conversion. You can use iTunes to create a converted version by highlighting the file and selecting Create file type preference Version. The converted Podcast or AudioBook will be converted to the format selected in your iTunesPreferencesImport Settings... window. If the original Podcast or AudioBook has DRM you can't convert it using iTunes. I don't believe there is an easy way to remove DRM from tracks on Macs, it's easier on a PC. You can always re-record the DRM'd track using any suitable recording application. Audio Hijack Pro is one of the best for capturing audio from streams or any audio source on your Mac, but the problem is that it records in real time, meaning that if you have a DRM AudioBook file that takes 32 hours to play, it takes 32 hours to produce the DRM-free audio. Also, remember NEVER to record in a higher bit-rate than the original, otherwise it's a high def copy of a low def file, a complete waste of bits. Often, you may want to convert from .mp3 into .m4a or .m4b. For example, there are many speeches, lectures, and spoken texts available on the internet in .mp3 format. Normally you'd want these to pickup where you last stopped when listening, so if you're a perfectionist, you'd want to convert these spoken language files from .mp3 music files into .m4a or .m4b files. I'm not 100% certain of anything I've said, so PLEASE, correct me if I'm in error on anything. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Classic after Upgrade to 10.4?
Clark writes, What you described is true, those apps are Classic. But Carbon Apps can run with Classic or native. There is supposed to be a way to make them run in Classic but I don't recall how off hand. Apparently you switched AppleWorks to run in Classic. Try doing a Get Info on the application and see if there is an option to use Classic vs Native. I tried it but found nothing. Yes, Get Info tells me it's for both OS 9 and OS X. OK. The way to tell is what kind of Apple you have on the left side of the menu bar. The old multi-colored Apple means you are running Classic. The blue Apple means you are running Native. OK yeah. I opened an AW 6 file and saw the blue apple, even with Classic on. I had to turn Classic back on after my little experiment because my email program is apparently not Carbonized. And since I'm obviously using my emailer right now, yeah, I see the multicolored apple (and my OS 9 customized menu fonts...gosh I wish I could do that in OS X). Bruce writes, If you started Appleworks from within Classic (for example, via the Apple menu), it's running in OS 9 mode, and will quit if you quit Classic. In OS X go to Applications and double-click on Appleworks it should start right up. H. When I did my little experiment yesterday and shut Classic off, much to my surprise, AW 6's litte on arrow stayed on in the Dock (though my emailer's quit) -- even though I could have sworn that time when I shut Classic off a year or so ago, it had quit. But back to yesterday: Classic still off, AW 6 still rebooted (from the Dock). BUT I don't keep my AW 6 application in the OS X Applications folder. I never did. It's not even on the G4's OS X hard drive. I've been using AW 6 since my total OS 9 days on my old G3 Beige DT -- when I got my G4 Quicksilver (which came with Tiger 10.4.7 installed on its 60 GB HD), I had that OS 9 HD -- which had all my stuff on it -- taken out of the Beige and put in the Quicksilver -- and some of my apps which did, and still live on that HD -- the ones I use a lot -- once up on OS X I put their icons in the Dock for easy access. But the original app files for all my OS 9 (and earlier) applications still live on what was once my Beige's HD. My OS X Applications folder only has the applications which came with OS X, plus the small number of new OS X native apps I got afterwards. Just now I went to look at the original AW 6 application in that HD. I found it and noticed it says AppleWorks 6.app. I find this kind of strange because the .app suffix is something I only know from OS X, but I've had AW 6 for longer than I've had OS X. Well...OK, it's cool -- and I'm glad I found out that AW 6 will run with or without Classic. ~Yersinia. Some mornings it's not worth chewing through the leather straps. -- Emo Phillips --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Classic after Upgrade to 10.4?
Hey, if any of you working in Classic don't want to feel like you're using an OS 9 app, email me. I have a package made by an Apple UI guy in his spare time during May of 2000; consists of an Appearance Theme and two CPs. It's now impossible to find b/c Apple caught wind of what he did and fired him, then threatened anyone and everyone distributing it out of it. It gives you a near-perfect OS X look AND feel...everywhere. Live window dragging, menu transparancies and fading, shaddowing, full Quartz anti-aliasing, just to name a few, and it's 100% as stable as using just the Apple Platinum theme, as I knew him and he perfected it for me for Jaguar ;-) BTW, I basically have every theme, including all the Copland ones. My favs are QT4, NeXT, System 7, and BeBox. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joey. Sent from Joey's iPhone 3G 2.1 on ATT's all-new wireless network. Visit www.apple.com/iphone for more information. Apple ATT - Raising the Bar. On Dec 1, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Yersinia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clark writes, What you described is true, those apps are Classic. But Carbon Apps can run with Classic or native. There is supposed to be a way to make them run in Classic but I don't recall how off hand. Apparently you switched AppleWorks to run in Classic. Try doing a Get Info on the application and see if there is an option to use Classic vs Native. I tried it but found nothing. Yes, Get Info tells me it's for both OS 9 and OS X. OK. The way to tell is what kind of Apple you have on the left side of the menu bar. The old multi-colored Apple means you are running Classic. The blue Apple means you are running Native. OK yeah. I opened an AW 6 file and saw the blue apple, even with Classic on. I had to turn Classic back on after my little experiment because my email program is apparently not Carbonized. And since I'm obviously using my emailer right now, yeah, I see the multicolored apple (and my OS 9 customized menu fonts...gosh I wish I could do that in OS X). Bruce writes, If you started Appleworks from within Classic (for example, via the Apple menu), it's running in OS 9 mode, and will quit if you quit Classic. In OS X go to Applications and double-click on Appleworks it should start right up. H. When I did my little experiment yesterday and shut Classic off, much to my surprise, AW 6's litte on arrow stayed on in the Dock (though my emailer's quit) -- even though I could have sworn that time when I shut Classic off a year or so ago, it had quit. But back to yesterday: Classic still off, AW 6 still rebooted (from the Dock). BUT I don't keep my AW 6 application in the OS X Applications folder. I never did. It's not even on the G4's OS X hard drive. I've been using AW 6 since my total OS 9 days on my old G3 Beige DT -- when I got my G4 Quicksilver (which came with Tiger 10.4.7 installed on its 60 GB HD), I had that OS 9 HD -- which had all my stuff on it -- taken out of the Beige and put in the Quicksilver -- and some of my apps which did, and still live on that HD -- the ones I use a lot -- once up on OS X I put their icons in the Dock for easy access. But the original app files for all my OS 9 (and earlier) applications still live on what was once my Beige's HD. My OS X Applications folder only has the applications which came with OS X, plus the small number of new OS X native apps I got afterwards. Just now I went to look at the original AW 6 application in that HD. I found it and noticed it says AppleWorks 6.app. I find this kind of strange because the .app suffix is something I only know from OS X, but I've had AW 6 for longer than I've had OS X. Well...OK, it's cool -- and I'm glad I found out that AW 6 will run with or without Classic. ~Yersinia. Some mornings it's not worth chewing through the leather straps. -- Emo Phillips --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: LCD screen flickering and going black.
Hi Kris: Are you able to say when Apple started using LEDS, from what set of machines. I'm asking because if I get into the market, I'd rather get one of those. Thanks! On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Kris Tilford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 30, 2008, at 7:31 PM, dorayme wrote: It has started flickering now and then, and sometimes goes right blank, all black. Original LCD monitors have fluorescent backlights that burn out just like any fluorescent bulb does. They can be replaced, and you may be able to do it yourself? I don't know where to get them, and it might be good to remove the old one to get a model # off it? Newer LCDs are now lit with LEDs that last almost forever, so this shouldn't be an issue in the future, although I imagine there will be a good business for replacing the fluorescents once all these LCD TVs being sold start burning out? I somehow doubt there will be a simple way to replace a burned out fluorescent with a replacement LED for a one time only fix. Only the newest Apple monitors and laptops have LED backlights, but in two years it's predicted that fluorescent backlighting will be virtually extinct in all LCDs. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Spotlight vs. Google Desktop for Mac
Hi Chris: As regards your last question, it could be the algorithm that Google uses. I'd used Google DS before and found it scary. I wonder how much of what it indexes could be online. Just wondering... Mykel On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Kris Tilford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was having a search issue where I wasn't getting complete search results in Mail.app. In a Mail search the entire message search field was dimmed and non-functional. It was not obvious this was a Spotlight issue, so I wasted a lot of time and effort on trashing Mail preferences, and rebuilding Mailboxes, and other things within Mail.app when the problem was really a Spotlight issue. When I eventually figure this out and tried to reindex Spotlight using a Terminal command, I got an error message. Evidently my Spotlight was disabled somehow? I figured out how to re-enable it, and then reindexed, and all was fine. Needless to say, this process of troubleshooting was longer than I'd like to admit. In the interim, I installed Google Desktop Search as a replacement for my crippled Mail.app/Spotlight search. After I repaired Spotlight, I decided to test these two search apps head-to- head. I selected three rather obscure terms that I knew had many hits, and searched in both. To my surprise, Google came up short on all three. But when I compared the results, the only thing missing was most of the Safari Web History link hits, which to me weren't that important. In each search, Google did report finding one or two Safari History hits, but Spotlight was finding 10 or 20. I'm slightly baffled at why one specific type of file would be under-represented in my tests? The results for emails, files, folders, etc. was all otherwise identical for both. I've barely used Google Desktop, but it searches very fast, and gets nearly identical results as Spotlight. I think the results are easier to browse than Spotlight. I know people have complained of the overhead for Spotlight. My results indicate that if you're having Spotlight issues, you might consider disabling Spotlight completely and using Google Desktop Search instead. Google is fast, and seems to work well. I'm slightly baffled at why one specific type of file would be under-represented in my tests. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
How can you read Verbose Logs?
How can you read verbose logs when you use the CMD+v or CMD+s ? And can this be saved and slow down the load so I can follow it or displayed in BLACK type - is this just a setting, white type is hard to read and can you make it 14 or 18 so we can read it better? Basically, the question is how can these NEEDED sources be made to work better? JML --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How can you read Verbose Logs?
On Nov 30, 11:39 pm, Jonas Lopez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can you read verbose logs when you use the CMD+v or CMD+s ? And can this be saved and slow down the load so I can follow it or displayed in BLACK type - is this just a setting, white type is hard to read and can you make it 14 or 18 so we can read it better? Basically, the question is how can these NEEDED sources be made to work better? JML I'm curious about this, too. Sometimes it flies by so fast, you miss things. Isn't it the same thing that appears under Apple System Profiler Logs System Logs? After a Startup, if you're able to get there, it's in black text. I've been deciphering logs recently, and my reading eye is fluttering from too much strain ... why can't they be forrnatted better, System Folks? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
External Hard Drives for Mac or PC
Do some new external drives have drivers that will not work on Macs at all or with Macs running older versions of OS X? Or do their written minimum requirements refer only to applications that people can do without? One of my sons, having set up his new MacPro with extra internal drives and some form of RAID, is going to give his PC-oriented brother a G5. The question is about external drives that specify compatibility, with PCs with no mention of Macs, or with Macs loaded with a particular version of OS X 10.4.x or 10.3.x. Thanks, Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: External Hard Drives for Mac or PC
On Dec 1, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Al Poulin wrote: Do some new external drives have drivers that will not work on Macs at all or with Macs running older versions of OS X? Or do their written minimum requirements refer only to applications that people can do without? No external drive now shipping needs Mac drivers, and they're almost universally formatted as FAT32, which the Mac reads and writes just fine. Actually no USB or Firewire drive that EVER shipped needed Mac drivers, so long as USB or FW support was loaded, from OS 8.6 on, possibly earlier. Most often what's on the CDs is some backup program or Windows 98 drivers. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iTunes and duplicating songs
At 4:00 AM -0600 12/1/2008, Kris Tilford wrote: On Nov 30, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Dan wrote: From a podcast, I have some nice mp3 tracks. How do I move them from the podcast category to the regular Music area? I don't when to get lost, when I dump the podcast. I tried doing an add on the mp3 file itself, after removing it from the podcast, but it Knew. So it reappeared in the podcast Found it. There are ID tags within the file that make it smell podcastish. I used musorg.app to delete those fields, then the tracks added as music to iTunes. These types are: .mp3, .m4a, and .m4b. I believe that normal music is .mp3, while podcasts are .m4a, and audiobooks are .m4b. MP3 is MPEG-1 Layer 3. M4A is MPEG-4 AAC. M4B is MPEG-4 AAC, used by Apple to mean Audiobook. (as far as I can tell ?so far? there is no encoding diff between m4a and m4b). One of the big differences in these file types is how they handle a Stop command. The .mp3 will stop normally, and upon next play start at the beginning of the track. I believe both the .m4a .m4b work under the assumption that the track is only to be listened to once, and if you use a stop command, upon the next launch they will resume at exactly the same point you previously stopped at. This is really handy for both of these file types. This isn't a function of file type (codec/format). On it's face, it's music vs audiobook classification default in iTunes. Music tracks always start at the beginning. iTunes keeps track of where you were in Audiobook tracks. Really, what's happening is that there's a flag (see the track's get info window) you can set that tells iTunes to remember or not. I don't believe there is an easy way to remove DRM from tracks on Macs I guess Apple's legit method is to burn the tracks to a normal (AIFF) audio CD then to rip it back in. Blech. That has the potential of loosing quality. Yet-another reason to stay away from DRM garbage. (I'll gander at Audio Hijack Pro shortly; looks interesting!) Right now, I'm going nutz adding stuff to my library. Guess I'm starting to trust iTunes more... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How can you read Verbose Logs?
At 08:03 -0800 12/1/08, billycar_G3-5 wrote: On Nov 30, 11:39 pm, Jonas Lopez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can you read verbose logs when you use the CMD+v or CMD+s ? And can this be saved and slow down the load so I can follow it or displayed in BLACK type - is this just a setting, white type is hard to read and can you make it 14 or 18 so we can read it better? Basically, the question is how can these NEEDED sources be made to work better? I'm curious about this, too. Sometimes it flies by so fast, you miss things. Logs are files, text files. After you are booted up it can be a pain to find them but they really are there until those daily, weekly, monthly service scripts rotate them out. Once you find the one you want you can make a copy and open it in an editor of your choice - TextEdit, for example. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: LCD screen flickering and going black.
On Nov 30, 9:03 pm, Doug McNutt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cracked solder joints often respond to a sharp tap that accelerates the circuit board edge-wise a bit. Not as much as a sledgehammer but sharp. Your symptoms sound a bit like that. Heh. Just like the old pin 1 problem on the analog = logic cable on the *original* Macintosh through the Mac Plus. :-) The solder on the connector on the analog board goes bad and the screen goes blank. A sharp rap to the side of the Mac brings it back, for a while... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G3-5 List group. To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
showing process running in 10.4 via the terminal
If you open applications in the gui.. say textedit and mail and excel.. is there any way to view these process via the terminal... is there a way to kill them via the terminal or start them from the terminal? just curious.. Thanks for those that have helped in the past.. you guys are very smart and I learn al ot from you reading your postings every day. (Hope this isn't too far off topic) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How can you read Verbose Logs?
-- On Mon, 12/1/08, Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How can you read Verbose Logs? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 7:44 AM On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:39 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: How can you read verbose logs when you use the CMD+v or CMD+s ? And can this be saved and slow down the load so I can follow it or displayed in BLACK type - is this just a setting, white type is hard to read and can you make it 14 or 18 so we can read it better? When you use cmd-v, you can read the startup log in the Console App once booted, look in 'All Messages'. There is NO ALL MESSAGES that I can find? Where is it? In cmd-s, you're stuck with white on black. Basically, the question is how can these NEEDED sources be made to work better? If you're needing to use single user mode more than once in a blue moon, you have serious hardware problems. I don't believe I've used single-user mode more than twice in all my time using OS X. What is it for ? Bruce, are you sure there is no way to pause like hold down the space bar - anybody smart enough to make Fourth should be smart enugh to pause thee listing of the start up log -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: showing process running in 10.4 via the terminal
2008/12/1 Gus [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you open applications in the gui.. say textedit and mail and excel.. is there any way to view these process via the terminal... Run the command top is there a way to kill them via the terminal Run the command killall TextEdit.app or similar. Depending on your OS version, killall TextEdit might work as well as/instead of the previous command. or start them from the terminal? To start an app, try open /Applications/iTunes.app or similar. just curious.. Thanks for those that have helped in the past.. you guys are very smart and I learn al ot from you reading your postings every day. (Hope this isn't too far off topic) -- -hackmiester --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How can you read Verbose Logs?
On Dec 1, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: When you use cmd-v, you can read the startup log in the Console App once booted, look in 'All Messages'. There is NO ALL MESSAGES that I can find? Where is it? What version of OS X are you using? I now remember they redid that app for 10.5, IIRC it's called console.log in older versions, All messages is what it's called in OS X. Basically when you start Console this is usually the log that displays first. If you click on the icon in the upper right hand corner, you see a lit of other logs you can look at. console.log and system.log are the main ones. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How to Manually Uninstall a Driver under 10.5.5
I decided to clean up the loginwindow preferences since some of my issues startup at the beginning of booting up. See documents located at the Rember RAM test website: http://www.kelleycomputing.net/documents/ It suggests removing system files: mv /Library/Preferences/loginwindow.plist/Library/Preferences/ loginwindow.plist~ mv /Library/Preferences/com.apple.loginwindow.plist/Library/ Preferences/com.apple.loginwindow.plist~ I did this (sort of) by dragging them to the Trash, and Restarting. Net effect was to require me to Login with each Startup and / or Restart. Turns out, this seems to temporarily solve my Startup problem ... things appear to be eventually loaded properly, no more kps, no blue screen freezing. What actually is happening is any bodies guess ... Have any guesses? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
When using CCC 3.4.2, if the partition with the OS on it, has Ignore Permissions checked, CCC WILL IGNORE permissions, and the resulting clone will not be bootable. I believe you either have to uncheck Isnore Permissions, and make another clone, or do a Repair Permissions on the clone. On Dec 1, 7:09 am, yawg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I checked permissions on those disks, they were set to ignore permissions and even when I changed them to my admin account they refuse to boot. When using CCC 3.4.2, if the partition with the OS on it, has Ignore Permissions checked, CCC will IGNORE permissions, not copy them, and the resulting clone will not be bootable. I believe you either have to uncheck Ignore Permissions, and make another clone, or do a Repair Permissions on the clone. This is new with CCC 3.4.2. This might be a place to start, and then see if the 911 and non-911 Oxford externals will boot. Make sure the clone is bootable before focusing on the external's bridge. FW vrs USB is another topic as well. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How to Manually Uninstall a Driver under 10.5.5
Somethings not right with this topic's display / e-mailing. I started it over the weekend ... not all of it made to the e-mail list ... its on the Google webpage, though. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Reading this group
On Dec 1, 2008, at 3:49 PM, Nesta Nesta wrote: Can someone please say how they use Google's G-mail on this group and how they have it set to produce their following discussions logically. I use Gmail in IMAP mode using Mail on my macs. Turn on threading or sort by subject (usually) and you can follow things. Here are Gmail's help on this: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?topic=12806 IMAP gives you the best of all worlds, you can use a real email client instead of a web page, and IMAP lets you access it from any computer you have (a nice thing when your someone like me who has three I use all the time...work, laptop and home systems.) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:55 PM, yawg wrote: As I said I changed permissions to my own admin account so Ignore Permissions was overwritten. I said also that both Initio FW-drives don't boot no matter what version of CCC, I use both the old and the new one as I can only use the old version when I'm running Panther. In Tiger I use the new version. If the Permissions are good, and the HD was initialized to the correct format for your Mac model, meaning Apple Partition Format for PPC Macs, and GUID Partition Format for Intel Macs, and you've made certain the System is blessed, and it still won't boot, perhaps it's a firmware issue with the enclosure. The Initio 1430 2430 chipsets do have some firmware updates to correct issues with Macs. You might check just to be sure. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Reading this group
On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:27 PM, Nesta Nesta wrote: Thanks a lot Bruce. I will take a look at the link, but I suspect the problem with IMAP is getting T-bird to work, actually not T-bird, but finding out how to configure the it with the network at work. TBird is our standard mail client here, it works quite well with IMAP servers -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
yawg wrote: Hi billycar, I checked permissions on those disks, they were set to ignore permissions and even when I changed them to my admin account they refuse to boot. When using CCC 3.4.2, if the partition with the OS on it, has Ignore Permissions checked, CCC will IGNORE permissions, not copy them, and the resulting clone will not be bootable. As I said I changed permissions to my own admin account so Ignore Permissions was overwritten. I said also that both Initio FW-drives don't boot no matter what version of CCC, I use both the old and the new one as I can only use the old version when I'm running Panther. In Tiger I use the new version. Much of the files and folders used in booting and running the OS need to have Root as the owner. Simply changing permissions to a user account isn't going to work. You really need to recreate the clone with permissions not ignored. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: External Hard Drives for Mac or PC
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 1, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Al Poulin wrote: Do some new external drives have drivers that will not work on Macs at all or with Macs running older versions of OS X? Or do their written minimum requirements refer only to applications that people can do without? No external drive now shipping needs Mac drivers, and they're almost universally formatted as FAT32, which the Mac reads and writes just fine. Actually no USB or Firewire drive that EVER shipped needed Mac drivers, so long as USB or FW support was loaded, from OS 8.6 on, possibly earlier. Most often what's on the CDs is some backup program or Windows 98 drivers. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs Pay attention to Western Digital firewire drives. Not all WD firewire drives are bootable - ESPECIALLY on PPC machines. There is a link on the WD website that lists which drives are not bootable and the specifics. However, I cannot remember where it is on their website. I believe this was posted recently on this list. Good luck - Marty --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Hard Drive Size question
What is the limit on hard drive size for a PPC Mac. I have a Sawtooth running 10.4.11. Thanks, Dennis in Victoria --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hard Drive Size question
On Dec 1, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote: What is the limit on hard drive size for a PPC Mac. I have a Sawtooth running 10.4.11. Thanks, Dennis in Victoria Native on the built-in ATA bus is 128 gb, but there is a high-capacity driver available that will get around this. If you stick in an ATA or SATA controller card there's no limit. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hard Drive Size question
On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:11 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: What is the limit on hard drive size for a PPC Mac. I have a Sawtooth running 10.4.11. Thanks, Dennis in Victoria Native on the built-in ATA bus is 128 gb, but there is a high-capacity driver available that will get around this. If you stick in an ATA or SATA controller card there's no limit. Native up to and including QS 2001 is 131,072 MB. Native for QS2002 and later is unlimited. With the High-Cap kext, this can be extended to unlimited for most early G4 models and late G3 models (known not to work with 10.5.x). With the LBA48 property work-around, this can be extended to unlimited for most early G4 models (works perfectly on my DA, and probably works perfectly on all AGP G4s). Native for ATA to 100 is also 131,072, but there are no workarounds. Native for all ATA/133 and the few ATA/100 cards for which there is a released update is unlimited. Native for SATA is unlimited. Native for early 1394 cases (with or without USB 2.0) is 131,072 MB. Native for later 1394 cases (with or without USB 2.0) is unlimited. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: showing process running in 10.4 via the terminal
- Original Message From: Gus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: G3-5 List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2008 4:57:08 PM Subject: showing process running in 10.4 via the terminal If you open applications in the gui.. say textedit and mail and excel.. is there any way to view these process via the terminal... is there a way to kill them via the terminal or start them from the terminal? As said in the previous post run the command top (without quotes). This will give you a list showing all processes running and their PID number To kill a particular process or application find the PID (process ID) three digit number associated with it. Then issue a command like (for this example) kill -9 222 (without quotes) where 222 is the actual PID three digit number of the app or process you want to kill and press enter Note: unless you use sudo you can only kill applications you own, that is, running under your account. Another way to kill major app's like Textedit, Mail, Excel is to just hit the option-Command-Esc keys to bring up the Force Quit Applications window and kill the offending app from there avoiding Terminal all together. --glen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: showing process running in 10.4 via the terminal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 2008/12/1 glen : As said in the previous post run the command top (without quotes). This will give you a list showing all processes running and their PID number To kill a particular process or application find the PID (process ID) three digit number associated with it. The number is not necessarily three digits. Then issue a command like (for this example) kill -9 222 (without quotes) where 222 is the actual PID three digit number of the app or process you want to kill and press enter Note: unless you use sudo you can only kill applications you own, that is, running under your account. Another way to kill major app's like Textedit, Mail, Excel is to just hit the option-Command-Esc keys to bring up the Force Quit Applications window and kill the offending app from there avoiding Terminal all together. --glen - -- - -hackmiester -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: http://getfiregpg.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk0jekACgkQZGCrekxoMEUnBgCfXHebZSFSkHH6abpLo+NbVbpm hCYAoJgu6Hy6lsrTETTfGmo14ewo0GAe =zGkv -END PGP SIGNATURE- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hard Drive Size question
PeterH wrote: On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:11 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: What is the limit on hard drive size for a PPC Mac. I have a Sawtooth running 10.4.11. Thanks, Dennis in Victoria Native on the built-in ATA bus is 128 gb, but there is a high-capacity driver available that will get around this. If you stick in an ATA or SATA controller card there's no limit. Native up to and including QS 2001 is 131,072 MB. Native for QS2002 and later is unlimited. It's not unlimited, it's 144 petabytes (144,000,000 Gb). And before someone says it might as well be unlimited, that's almost certainly what someone said about the 128 Gb limit... surprise, it's not. True, it's unlikely to be an issue, by the time someone is building drives that big most people won't know what PATA IDE is. With the High-Cap kext, this can be extended to unlimited for most early G4 models and late G3 models (known not to work with 10.5.x). With the LBA48 property work-around, this can be extended to unlimited for most early G4 models (works perfectly on my DA, and probably works perfectly on all AGP G4s). I would say it's very large, but it's definitely not UNLIMITED. Just remember those other UNLIMITED values. RAM 64Kb RAM 640Kb 1Mb 16Mb 4Gb HD 32Mb 4Gb 128Gb 200Tb Network speeds we'll never need to exceed. 10MBps 100MBPs 1000MBPs -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
iWeb newbie questions
My third-grader wants to create a webpage of the levels he's built for the video game n. So I've entered the wonderful world of iWeb, which was recommended to me as the easiest way for someone who knows nothing (that would be, er, me) to build a site. The main functions he wants are the very ones the iWeb primer doesn't cover: 1) Creating links to let users download text documents (that's how you transplant code for custom levels in this game, via copy/paste); and 2) Letting users post comments -- without me paying for a MobileMe membership, which is the only method Apple will admit to. Is it just me who's overmatched here, or is iWeb too? Thanks, Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Reading this group
On Dec 1, 2008, at 5:49 PM, Nesta Nesta wrote: I use to write from micky001ATfastmailDOTus. Recently I decided to dump that e-Mail for larger space with G- mail. When I get too busy, posts here are bounced otherwise. And I love you guys, don't want to miss a word here. Either I'm not used to the system, or G-mail is not set up right, but I don't seem to like it. I use to have an abridged collection sent me. Now I have direct e- Mails. That is a function of your settings at GOOGLE. I.E. Digest or individual E-Mails Chuck D. With the former, I'd click on a link from my T-bird in box and follow the discussions logically; from start to finish. The link opens on my browser. With G-Mail and 'instant' e-Mail from the group, it's not that logical. I get the last response and have to go search for the initial question. Can someone please say how they use Google's G-mail on this group and how they have it set to produce their following discussions logically. Bruce, Kris, Dan, (and others-others, please forgive me for forgetting your name) I'm back! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
733 DA or 733 QS?
I have a G4 733 Digital Audio that I was setting up to give to a relative to use with Photoshop. He's into digital photography, and this 733 ran Photoshop 9 just fine, and I was also giving him iLife for iMovie and iPhoto and such. I put two 250-gig hard drives in it and maxed out the memory at 1.5 gig. It was all set to go. Then the thing just died, went defunct, extinct. Hitting the start button does nothing. I tried everything that anyone on this list suggested to revive the patient, but it remained deceased. I gave up on it. Probably a dead power supply, and I don't know how to replace them. I decided the easiest thing to do would be to transfer its innards, the HDs and RAM, to a working 733. Fortunately, replacement 733s are cheap and plentiful on eBay, going for around $150 or less in good working order. All the above is the setup for this question: there are Digital Audio 733s, and there are Quicksilver 733s, going for approximately the same price. The Quicksilvers are newer, but are they that much better that I should only consider the Quicksilvers? I think that a QS can accept the RAM from a DA, so switching the drives and memory from one to the other should not be a problem. But what would I really gain by upgrading to a Quicksilver 733 instead of a Digital Audio? Or are the differences so slight that I should go with a DA if I happen to see a better deal on one of those on eBay? Any advice much appreciated. Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
