Re: Thermal grease?
So, let me get this straight (forgive my ignorance. I'm used to the plug-n-play of the beige processor upgrades that had their own built- in heatsinks). If I decide to upgrade the processor in my Quicksilver to a later quicksilver processor (for example, putting a used gual 1GHz in a QS933 motherboard), do I have to apply anything to the two processors, since the heat sink and processor boards would be two separated pieces (i.e. you have to take the heat sink off just to get the processor out of the machine)? I wouldn't want to take a chance on frying a precious upgrade! Andy On Mar 13, 2:11 am, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: PeterH wrote: On Mar 12, 2009, at 7:14 PM, technophobic_...@comcast.net wrote: Don't put ANY grease near your processor! A grease is simply solids within an oily carrier. Electronics grade silicone thermally conductive grease, Thermalcote, or equal, is fine. Arctic Silver claims to be non-conductive, but it also comes with a detailed procedure for application to avoid foul-ups due to over- application, which procedures are not necessary with a silicone product. Arctic Silver is also a grease, using the conventional definition of the term. If the Heatsink / Processor combo is supposed to use grease then conductivity isn't an issue, you assume the CPU and heatsink will connect electrically. If you don't want them to connect electrically you use an insulating spacer like a mica insulator. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
mythmaker18 wrote: So, let me get this straight (forgive my ignorance. I'm used to the plug-n-play of the beige processor upgrades that had their own built- in heatsinks). If I decide to upgrade the processor in my Quicksilver to a later quicksilver processor (for example, putting a used gual 1GHz in a QS933 motherboard), do I have to apply anything to the two processors, since the heat sink and processor boards would be two separated pieces (i.e. you have to take the heat sink off just to get the processor out of the machine)? I wouldn't want to take a chance on frying a precious upgrade! Andy If and whenever the heatsink comes away from the processor itself; you add thermal grease before installing both together for use. On Mar 13, 2:11 am, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: PeterH wrote: On Mar 12, 2009, at 7:14 PM, technophobic_...@comcast.net wrote: Don't put ANY grease near your processor! A grease is simply solids within an oily carrier. Electronics grade silicone thermally conductive grease, Thermalcote, or equal, is fine. Arctic Silver claims to be non-conductive, but it also comes with a detailed procedure for application to avoid foul-ups due to over- application, which procedures are not necessary with a silicone product. Arctic Silver is also a grease, using the conventional definition of the term. If the Heatsink / Processor combo is supposed to use grease then conductivity isn't an issue, you assume the CPU and heatsink will connect electrically. If you don't want them to connect electrically you use an insulating spacer like a mica insulator. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
I'm not a big fan of the sticky black goop Apple uses for thermal compound. When I swap processors, which is pretty frequent, I always replace it with a better compound. First I remove the black stuff with a plastic (not metal- don't scratch the heatsink or CPU) scraper, scrub it off with acetone (or nail polish remover) and then wipe it with rubbing alcohol. I then apply Arctic Silver Ceramique; it's non- conductive and seems to do a very good job transferring the heat from the CPU t the heatsink. I haven't fried any CPUs yet. On Mar 13, 9:36 am, mythmaker18 mythmake...@yahoo.com wrote: So, let me get this straight (forgive my ignorance. I'm used to the plug-n-play of the beige processor upgrades that had their own built- in heatsinks). If I decide to upgrade the processor in my Quicksilver to a later quicksilver processor (for example, putting a used gual 1GHz in a QS933 motherboard), do I have to apply anything to the two processors, since the heat sink and processor boards would be two separated pieces (i.e. you have to take the heat sink off just to get the processor out of the machine)? I wouldn't want to take a chance on frying a precious upgrade! Andy On Mar 13, 2:11 am, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: PeterH wrote: On Mar 12, 2009, at 7:14 PM, technophobic_...@comcast.net wrote: Don't put ANY grease near your processor! A grease is simply solids within an oily carrier. Electronics grade silicone thermally conductive grease, Thermalcote, or equal, is fine. Arctic Silver claims to be non-conductive, but it also comes with a detailed procedure for application to avoid foul-ups due to over- application, which procedures are not necessary with a silicone product. Arctic Silver is also a grease, using the conventional definition of the term. If the Heatsink / Processor combo is supposed to use grease then conductivity isn't an issue, you assume the CPU and heatsink will connect electrically. If you don't want them to connect electrically you use an insulating spacer like a mica insulator. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: adding network printer
This may not be your server, but a lot of people have benefited from this. Goodluck. Perhaps you'd get more help if you name your sever and model here: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060404021600193 Steve R wrote: Short question: What are the settings in Print Fax for adding a USB printer on a print server? Longer explanation: Apple Help and google have been only somewhat helpful. So far, 10.5.6 + USB EpsonR220 (network compatible according to Epson's site) and NAS DNS-323 printer server with IP 192.168.0.125. The DLink web interface for the NAS/print server sees the Epson printer no matter which settings are in 10.5.6 Print Fax. Test prints on the Epson work. System Preferences/Print Fax/Add Printer I've tried various options under IP and More Printers, none of which work and most giving me a green light in the Print Fax window. I've chosen the Epson Stylus Photo R220 Gutenprint v5.1.3 driver when the generic was working. But... The queue always Stopped itself and the Printer Paused itself. One message showed accessing IP address port 631 so I opened that in the router. Still no print. Mention was made on one site that updating the firmware of the NAS (which I have done) will erase the hidden print queue folder .lpd . One solution offered by someone using Tiger was to create a top level directory on Volume_1, and call it .lpd but trying to do that gets me a Reprimand for trying. I tried creating lpd and renaming, same slap on the wrist. So what are the settings for adding a USB printer on a print server? Steve R --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
On Mar 13, 2009, at 9:40 AM, nestamicky wrote: mythmaker18 wrote: So, let me get this straight (forgive my ignorance. I'm used to the plug-n-play of the beige processor upgrades that had their own built- in heatsinks). If I decide to upgrade the processor in my Quicksilver to a later quicksilver processor (for example, putting a used gual 1GHz in a QS933 motherboard), do I have to apply anything to the two processors, since the heat sink and processor boards would be two separated pieces (i.e. you have to take the heat sink off just to get the processor out of the machine)? I wouldn't want to take a chance on frying a precious upgrade! Andy If and whenever the heatsink comes away from the processor itself; you add thermal grease before installing both together for use. In a similar vein ... I have a Dual 1GHz QS 2002 ... seems to be working fine ... just concerned about age. Would it be advisable to go on and remove the heatsink(s), clean the surfaces, and re-apply thermal grease? Sort of preventive maintenance? Or if it ain't broke ... don't fix it apply? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: adding network printer
Thanks! Great info with a few things different from what I had previously tried. Will give it a go this weekend, after I ensure enough beer in the house to mellow out my frustration, just in case ;-) At 6:52 AM -0700 3/13/09, nestamicky posted: This may not be your server, but a lot of people have benefited from this. Goodluck. Perhaps you'd get more help if you name your sever and model here: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060404021600193 Steve R wrote: Short question: What are the settings in Print Fax for adding a USB printer on a print server? Longer explanation: Apple Help and google have been only somewhat helpful. So far, 10.5.6 + USB EpsonR220 (network compatible according to Epson's site) and NAS DNS-323 printer server with IP 192.168.0.125. The DLink web interface for the NAS/print server sees the Epson printer no matter which settings are in 10.5.6 Print Fax. Test prints on the Epson work. System Preferences/Print Fax/Add Printer I've tried various options under IP and More Printers, none of which work and most giving me a green light in the Print Fax window. I've chosen the Epson Stylus Photo R220 Gutenprint v5.1.3 driver when the generic was working. But... The queue always Stopped itself and the Printer Paused itself. One message showed accessing IP address port 631 so I opened that in the router. Still no print. Mention was made on one site that updating the firmware of the NAS (which I have done) will erase the hidden print queue folder .lpd . One solution offered by someone using Tiger was to create a top level directory on Volume_1, and call it .lpd but trying to do that gets me a Reprimand for trying. I tried creating lpd and renaming, same slap on the wrist. So what are the settings for adding a USB printer on a print server? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: adding network printer
Glad I could help; if it works. If it does not, give me a clear understanding of your network setup and I may be able to help ya! Steve R wrote: Thanks! Great info with a few things different from what I had previously tried. Will give it a go this weekend, after I ensure enough beer in the house to mellow out my frustration, just in case ;-) At 6:52 AM -0700 3/13/09, nestamicky posted: This may not be your server, but a lot of people have benefited from this. Goodluck. Perhaps you'd get more help if you name your sever and model here: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060404021600193 Steve R wrote: Short question: What are the settings in Print Fax for adding a USB printer on a print server? Longer explanation: Apple Help and google have been only somewhat helpful. So far, 10.5.6 + USB EpsonR220 (network compatible according to Epson's site) and NAS DNS-323 printer server with IP 192.168.0.125. The DLink web interface for the NAS/print server sees the Epson printer no matter which settings are in 10.5.6 Print Fax. Test prints on the Epson work. System Preferences/Print Fax/Add Printer I've tried various options under IP and More Printers, none of which work and most giving me a green light in the Print Fax window. I've chosen the Epson Stylus Photo R220 Gutenprint v5.1.3 driver when the generic was working. But... The queue always Stopped itself and the Printer Paused itself. One message showed accessing IP address port 631 so I opened that in the router. Still no print. Mention was made on one site that updating the firmware of the NAS (which I have done) will erase the hidden print queue folder .lpd . One solution offered by someone using Tiger was to create a top level directory on Volume_1, and call it .lpd but trying to do that gets me a Reprimand for trying. I tried creating lpd and renaming, same slap on the wrist. So what are the settings for adding a USB printer on a print server? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
On Mar 13, 2009, at 6:54 AM, insightinmind wrote: I have a Dual 1GHz QS 2002 ... seems to be working fine ... just concerned about age. Would it be advisable to go on and remove the heatsink(s), clean the surfaces, and re-apply thermal grease? Sort of preventive maintenance? In the specific cases of the Gig-E, DA, QS and similar, removing the processor involves removing the heatsink. In fact, the heatsink may be removed without removing the processor. Apple employed a special heat transfer tape on these models. The tape sticks to the underside of the heatsink, and the functional side of the tape comes into contact with the processor. The heat transfer material on the functional side of the tape is essentially single-use. Carefully cleaning both the tape and the processor, and then applying an appropriate heat transfer substance (grease/paste/whatever) is required if a replacement tape is not available. Those self-stick tapes are occasionally available. About a dollar or so apiece. Me, I just clean the surfaces appropriately and then apply silicone thermal grease. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Safari 4 - Refresh?
Where did the Refresh button go? I'm not even finding it under Customise Toolbar? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 4 - Refresh?
At 11:31 AM -0400 3/13/2009, Steve R wrote: Where did the Refresh button go? I'm not even finding it under Customise Toolbar? The spinning thingy on the right of the address field. Or (what I did) change the whole thing back to the old set-up, so you have the progress bar and the buttons. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
Isn't heat transfer the issue here??? On Mar 13, 2009, at 2:11 AM, Clark Martin wrote: PeterH wrote: On Mar 12, 2009, at 7:14 PM, technophobic_...@comcast.net wrote: Don't put ANY grease near your processor! A grease is simply solids within an oily carrier. Electronics grade silicone thermally conductive grease, Thermalcote, or equal, is fine. Arctic Silver claims to be non-conductive, but it also comes with a detailed procedure for application to avoid foul-ups due to over- application, which procedures are not necessary with a silicone product. Arctic Silver is also a grease, using the conventional definition of the term. If the Heatsink / Processor combo is supposed to use grease then conductivity isn't an issue, you assume the CPU and heatsink will connect electrically. If you don't want them to connect electrically you use an insulating spacer like a mica insulator. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com If there are no dogs in Heaven, when I die I want to go where they went.¨ --Will Rogers extreme positive = (ybya2) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
technophobic_...@comcast.net wrote: On 3/12/09, Clark Martin wrote: If the Heatsink / Processor combo is supposed to use grease then conductivity isn't an issue, you assume the CPU and heatsink will connect electrically. If you don't want them to connect electrically you use an insulating spacer like a mica insulator. You're NOT supposed to use grease. You're supposed to use thermally conductive compounds or adhesives. Engineers deliberately distinguish between grease (hydrocarbon/oil based lubricants) and thermal compounds (homogeneous polymeric organosilicon substances) so that the ignorant don't go to the local auto parts store, pick up a tube of grease, and apply it to their computers. An unmentioned someone is being bull-headed in this matter. :-) (Remember, ignorance isn't a sin. It merely means one hasn't been exposed to the issue.) See: http://www.arcticsilver.com/as5.htm As discharging the processor's heat is the goal, thermal conductivity is critical. Thermal compounds and adhesives are intentionally designed to conduct heat and to be electrically non-conductive. Mica would satisfy the electrical requirement but grossly fail to sufficiently conduct heat. Mica is commonly used as an electrical insulator and thermal conductor in in electronics. It seems to fit both requirements well enough. No, it's not a great thermal conductor but most things that are electrical insulators aren't. That is why it is kept very thin. do a web search on thermal grease http://www.google.com/search?client=safarirls=en-usq=thermal+greaseie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8 Most or all refer to a substance for conducting heat in electronics. Whether or not grease is the proper term here, it IS one used extensively. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
On 13/3/09 13:54, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: In a similar vein ... I have a Dual 1GHz QS 2002 ... seems to be working fine ... just concerned about age. Would it be advisable to go on and remove the heatsink(s), clean the surfaces, and re-apply thermal grease? Sort of preventive maintenance? Or if it ain't broke ... don't fix it apply? I use quite a lot of this stuff - the 'grease' I use is Arctic Silver Ceramique and the glue is Arctic Silver Alumina Thermal Chipset Adhesive - the grease is for 'sprung' heatsinks - held with clips like a cpu or pins and plungers in the case of graphics cards (which is mostly what I use it for). The glue is for heatsinks/fans with no circuit board fastening and it sets very hard - so it's not easy to get the heatsink off if you make a pig's ear of the contact - but an hour in the freezer will make the job easier. It's maybe advisable with secondhand graphics cards which run at high speeds and temps - definitely advisable if you see artifacts of any kind or experience video problems. I do gpu and memory solder reflows on old graphics cards with problems and I remove the gpu and memory heatsinks as a first step so I refurbish the cooling when I replace them - it will often kill or cure problems which look terminal - I've just fixed two PC Radeon 9700 Pros and one 9800 Pro which all had terminal artifacts (I like to recycle - call me green) and now they're mac cards - one of the 9700's has vga out only and one has barely noticeable artifacts - the 9800 is perfect. Maybe not so advisable with motherboard processors unless they are running at too high temps and giving problems - a temperature monitor is a good utility to forewarn of heat problems - but I think there's quite a bit of latitude with the G4s - not so much with the G5s. I would say don't do it unless it's necessary - if you've not done it before there is the usual round of 'learners' mistakes to get through - and some of those are very very terminal. I have already paid my dues and terminated untold devices. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 4 - Refresh?
At 12:02 PM -0400 3/13/09, Dan posted: At 11:31 AM -0400 3/13/2009, Steve R wrote: Where did the Refresh button go? I'm not even finding it under Customise Toolbar? The spinning thingy on the right of the address field. Or (what I did) change the whole thing back to the old set-up, so you have the progress bar and the buttons. I ended up reverting to Safari 3 -- I guess I'm retro at heart :-( --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Heat sink break-in period?
just replaced my stock mdd heatsink with a copper one, question, is there a break-in period and if so, approx. how long? I'm sitting at 135.6F (57C) and the fans are running at a high rpm with no load on the computer to speak of. Jeff Jeff Engle Kamiah Idaho 83536 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Heat sink break-in period?
On Mar 13, 2009, at 3:18 PM, MacGuy wrote: just replaced my stock mdd heatsink with a copper one, question, is there a break-in period and if so, approx. how long? I'm sitting at 135.6F (57C) and the fans are running at a high rpm with no load on the computer to speak of. Jeff There should be no 'break in' period. We're not running new rings in a cast-iron engine block. If you run particularly hot after doing something like this, it was done wrong: too much/too little thermal grease, the heat sink isn't properly seated, or the heat sink isn't actually correct for your installation. Were you overheating before? Why did you replace the heat sink? Are you trying to overclock the CPU? -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Can't Delete Mail
Hi ~ I've got an Inbox with mail going back to Feb. 3rd. I keep deleting it (select, hit Delete Icon) and it keeps reappearing. I moved it to a mailbox I created called Deleted Mail, but it puts it there and then another batch appears back in my Inbox. If I move the Inbox mail again, I have two copies of the same 387 emails in the Deleted Mail box. If I delete this mail, it goes, but there are still 387 emails in the Inbox. I checked with my mail server, looked at webmail and this mail is not on the remote server. I went into Preferences and checked, delete copy from server when mail is downloaded. I also checked erase deleted mail on quitting Mail. Nope. It's there again when I start Mail. Would it go if I deleted the Inbox .mbox? Altho there isn't an Inbox .mbox in Mailboxes. Any ideas? Also, I did think maybe I should reinstall Mail. The Drafts box is also not working. There's no Trash mailbox either. Is there supposed to be one? Can I do this without doing an entire Archive Install? Many thanks for any ideas anyone may have. P.S.: Aw, gee, it seems to have deleted the mail now!!! Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11 Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo 1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5 mailto:earth...@ptd.net http://www.downtoearthweb.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Heat sink break-in period?
On Mar 13, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Mar 13, 2009, at 3:18 PM, MacGuy wrote: just replaced my stock mdd heatsink with a copper one, question, is there a break-in period and if so, approx. how long? I'm sitting at 135.6F (57C) and the fans are running at a high rpm with no load on the computer to speak of. Jeff There should be no 'break in' period. We're not running new rings in a cast-iron engine block. If you run particularly hot after doing something like this, it was done wrong: too much/too little thermal grease, the heat sink isn't properly seated, or the heat sink isn't actually correct for your installation. Were you overheating before? Why did you replace the heat sink? Are you trying to overclock the CPU? I wasn't overheating before or overclock, It's just that the computer room/office tends to get a bit warmer than the rest of the house in the summer months and rather than spring for an air conditioner, the other thing that came to my mind to do was a heat sink swap. Thought maybe the copper one (out of a 1.42) might be a little kinder on the system. that's all. Also the thought of picking up a 1.42 upgrade one of these days has entered my mind. Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:49 AM, dc dbc...@verizon.net wrote: I'm not a big fan of the sticky black goop Apple uses for thermal compound. When I swap processors, which is pretty frequent, I always replace it with a better compound. First I remove the black stuff with a plastic (not metal- don't scratch the heatsink or CPU) scraper, scrub it off with acetone (or nail polish remover) and then wipe it with rubbing alcohol. I then apply Arctic Silver Ceramique; it's non- conductive and seems to do a very good job transferring the heat from the CPU t the heatsink. I haven't fried any CPUs yet. Overclockers who are set on defeating heat to preserve costly CPUs yet squeeze extreme clock counts out of them have been known to polish the CPU and heatsink with ever finer grades of wet or dry paper starting with 1000 grit. And even going to finer grits of polishing compound. Some may even lap : the surfaces together with a polishing compound. Then they apply the thermal paste after all of that. In theory the more closely the parts surfaces match and the thinner the paste needed to make up the difference the faster and therefore the more successful the heat transfer will be. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best G4 powermac??
On Mar 12, 9:32 am, PeterH peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: On Mar 12, 2009, at 9:15 AM, jonas ulrich wrote: authoring a single-layer DVD from the same source files which exceed the capacity of a single-layer DVD, I don't understand, you are overfilling it so it fails ? 1) Dual 1.0 GHz G4 -- 60 minutes [ 10.4.11, 1.5 GB 133 MHz RAM ] 2) Core 2 Duo E8400 running at 3.6 GHz -- 12.5 minutes (4.8 times as fast) [ 10.5.5, 2 GB 800 MHz RAM ] 3) Core 2 Quad Q9400 running at 3.2 GHz -- 10 minutes ( 6 times as fast) [ 10.5.6, 2 GB 800 MHz RAM ] Are you sure this is the cpu rather than the drives ? are (all) the drives exactly the same ? So, if you really want to pump the work through your machine, perhaps you could consider an Intel solution. As a practical matter, I still run a DA with a QS 2000 dual 1.0 GHz processor, mainly for Mail.app and for Classic. Almost all other work has been transferred to the Intels. That's practical ?! I do more than that with 1/4 of the computer. ( today actually its 1/10 w/ the 97 g3 and yes its a little slow sometimes, but mail is fine and so is my os9 stuff ...) Its recommended some places I respect that you should choose mission and objectives first then software then hardware. Its hard for me to see that too well but I am slowly getting it I think (largely because I have a lot of old macs and daily choosing the machine for the job). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
