Re: B&W with issues

[PeterH]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Devin Glenn wrote:

>>> do you have a picture of it?
>>
>> Might check:http://www.macgurus.com/products/motherboards/ 
>> mboardsppcseries.php


It is the unidentified chip which is located between the PCI Bridge  
Chip and the Jumper Block:

http://www.macgurus.com/products/motherboards/mbppcg3bw.php



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Re: B&W with issues

[Devin Glenn]

ok got it.. The blue and white mac is back. Thanks !
On Apr 27, 9:20 pm, insightinmind  wrote:
> On Apr 27, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Devin Glenn wrote:
>
>
>
> > do you have a picture of it?
>
> Might check:http://www.macgurus.com/products/motherboards/mboardsppcseries.php
>
> Bill Connelly
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Re: Where is my bottleneck?

[Kris Tilford]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 8:38 PM, Donald Burr wrote:

> Are there any places (besides eBay - I'd rather not go there) that  
> might have better prices on this older type of
> memory?

www.ramseeker.com has $21.50 as cheapest for 512MB PC133:




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Re: B&W with issues

[PeterH]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Devin Glenn wrote:

> do you have a picture of it?
>>
>>> where is the ROM chip on the B&W?
>>
>> Its the very tiny "gull wing" package which is next to the CPU.

The device is labeled "U37" and "ROM" in white lettering on the board.

The device is more particularly described as:

LH28E008BVT-BTL10

SHARP

Japan

 From the above, we can conclude that it is an electrically  
reprogrammable (28E series) device with 8 MB capacity and a speed of  
100 nS.

It is probably "5 volt only".

It can be reprogrammed from an application.

However, as with most such devices, if the so-called "BOOT  
BLOCKS" (the first physical block within the device) is damaged, it  
cannot be reprogrammed because you cannot boot the Mac in order to do  
so.


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Where is my bottleneck?

[Donald Burr]

This is really more of a general OS X question, but it has some  
bearing on those of us with older hardware, so I figured this would be  
the best place to ask it.  Apologies if it's not.

I've got a G4 Cube (upgraded to a 1.5GHz CPU) running several services  
for our home network here (iTunes server, BitTorrent client [for legal  
content only, of course], etc.)  The system seems awfully slow  
especially when switching between programs.  I'm wondering where my  
bottleneck is.  I would guess it's memory bound (since I only have 768  
MB in the machine) rather than CPU bound, as Activity Monitor  
consistently shows at least 60% free CPU (I have never seen it go  
below that).

I'm not sure how to interpret the values shown in the Memory tab in  
Activity Monitor.  "Free" memory is very small (only about 77 MB at  
this moment).  Alot of memory is shown as either "active" or  
"inactive" (both around 280-290 MB right now), with a somewhat smaller  
amount showing as "wired" (currently 125 MB).  "Used" (I assume this  
is the total of everything except "free" memory) is about 700 MB.  I  
am also seeing rather high values for the "VM size" (44 GB) and "page  
ins" (2.92 GB).   "page outs" is only about 317 MB or so.  It seems to  
me from these values that memory is indeed a bottleneck here, but  
maybe I am reading this all wrong?

If memory is indeed the problem, then obviously it's time to add  
some.  For a trio of 512 MB PC100/133 DIMMs, Crucial/Micron wants  
almost $160.  Other World has a better price, it's only just over $100  
including shipping.  Are there any places (besides eBay - I'd rather  
not go there) that might have better prices on this older type of  
memory?

I love my Cube - besides the obvious coolness factor, it's still an  
amazingly useful machine to me - and am not averse to spending money  
to keep it alive and in top shape.  But obviously with the economy  
being the way it is, if I don't have to spend the money, I'd rather  
not; but if it is worth it to do so, I'd obviously want to spend the  
least amount I can get away with spending.

Thanks in advance for your help/advice.
Donald

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Re: B&W with issues

[insightinmind]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Devin Glenn wrote:

>
> do you have a picture of it?

Might check:
http://www.macgurus.com/products/motherboards/mboardsppcseries.php


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Re: Thanks for insight on how to evaluate UPS for my office

[Anne Brataas]

Many thanks all--this is most helpful; I start my UPS search today!

Cheers,

Anne

On Apr 27, 2009, at 4:13 PM, MacGuy wrote:

>
>
> On Apr 27, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>
>> APC's SmartUPS ones are the most expensive, but give you the best
>> protection. One SmartUPS 1000 or 1200 may run you $400-$500, but it
>> will protect all your computers. These have active voltage  
>> regulation.
>>
>
>
> I have a 1200 smartups and a 1100 smatups... I like to use one for my
> desktop system (MDD 1.25 & Samsung lcd 24" monitor) and the other one
> for macs I'm working on and external stuff. I bought them both brand
> new in sealed box with full warranty on ebay for around 125-165 each.
> They are really great units and the batteries are cheap on ebay as
> well (35 plus shipping). Just my personal experience.
>
> What I find most amazing is how folks will spend upwards of 2000 on a
> new apple desktop but won't even consider UPS protection for a
> miniscule fraction of that? go figure but to each his own. Jeff
>
> >


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Re: B&W with issues

[Devin Glenn]

do you have a picture of it?

On Apr 27, 7:59 pm, PeterH  wrote:
> On Apr 27, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Devin Glenn wrote:
>
> > where is the ROM chip on the B&W?
>
> Its the very tiny "gull wing" package which is next to the CPU.
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Re: B&W with issues

[PeterH]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Devin Glenn wrote:

> where is the ROM chip on the B&W?

Its the very tiny "gull wing" package which is next to the CPU.



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DVD Copying

[Cliff Rediger]

I tried copying a home made DVD created using iDVD
with MacMini G4 10.4.11
Pioneer DVD external burner Firwire connected

Tried Disc Utilities
tried Toast
upgraded to Toast 6.1.1

I get a truncated burn. Almost complete but in the end and endless
spinning icon.

tried the disk image trick
same results.

any suggestions appreciated.

In the end I Handbraked to mp4
but would like ability to do a straight copy.

thanks
Cliff
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Re: B&W with issues

[Devin Glenn]

where is the ROM chip on the B&W? i'll try it with the RAM and see
what happenes...

On Apr 27, 5:38 pm, Kris Tilford  wrote:
> On Apr 27, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Devin Glenn wrote:
>
> > I have a B&W G3 with some weird things goin on. When i turn it on, the
> > chime is strange, sort of like, "bon- bong". It will not put up an
> > image on the monitor either. I've reset the CUDA twice and its still
> > not giving me anything. Does anyone out there know what could possibly
> > be doing this?
>
> I once had a Beige with somewhat similar problems. Turned out the ROM  
> chip contacts were dirty or not making connection. I removed the ROM  
> chip and cleaned the gold contacts with a rubber eraser and then  
> replace it, making sure it was properly seated in the slot, and all  
> was well. Sometimes reseating all the slotted chips, ROM, RAM, PCI and  
> video cards can help. I suspect the ROM because it controls the chime  
> noise, and a wrong chime might indicate something amiss with the ROM.
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Console - another repeater

[Anne Keller-Smith]

So, what about this one? Seems to be coming from Firefox.

Apr 27 14:34:11 anne-keller-smiths-imac  
[0x0-0x2d02d].org.mozilla.firefox[300]: Debugger() was called!
Apr 27 14:34:40 anne-keller-smiths-imac  
[0x0-0x2d02d].org.mozilla.firefox[300]: Debugger() was called!
Apr 27 14:37:24: --- last message repeated 1 time ---
Apr 27 14:37:28 anne-keller-smiths-imac  
[0x0-0x2d02d].org.mozilla.firefox[300]: Debugger() was called!
Apr 27 14:44:29 anne-keller-smiths-imac  
[0x0-0x2d02d].org.mozilla.firefox[300]: Debugger() was called!
Apr 27 14:45:23: --- last message repeated 2 times ---
Apr 27 14:45:23 anne-keller-smiths-imac  
[0x0-0x2d02d].org.mozilla.firefox[300]: Debugger() was called!

Are your Consoles this busy? I've never looked at it before.

Anne Keller Smith
Down to Earth Web Design

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896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11

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Re: Console

[Anne Keller-Smith]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> Are you running Adobe apps? This might be it, there's an alleged fix
> buried in there:
>
> 
>
> There's also this Apple support thread:
>
> 

Down a little further, there's this:
  Re: kernel continually generating SIGSEGV messages
Posted: Feb 6, 2009 5:12 PM   in response to: macandrew 
Click to reply to this topicReply   email   Email

These SIGSEGV signal messages have been determined to be sent from  
debugging code that was not disabled. Note that all Mac users of CS4  
applications, or Acrobat/Reader 9.0 would see these messages in their  
system.log, so any crashes are merely coincidental. However, if your  
crashes are related to a problem with the FLEXnet licensing server,  
this solution may also fix that, as it causes many of it's files to be  
refreshed, which could remove corruption.

This issue can be resolved by downloading and running the updated  
Adobe Licensing Repair Tool:
http://www.adobe.com/support/contact/licensing.html

Note: If you have previously downloaded this utility, your browser  
cache may contain the previous version. The correct version will mount  
a disk titled, "LicenseRecovery11.5.0.9". If the disk image you mount  
does not mount with that name, clear your browser cache and download  
from the link again.

Matthew Laun

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Re: B&W with issues

[Kris Tilford]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Devin Glenn wrote:

> I have a B&W G3 with some weird things goin on. When i turn it on, the
> chime is strange, sort of like, "bon- bong". It will not put up an
> image on the monitor either. I've reset the CUDA twice and its still
> not giving me anything. Does anyone out there know what could possibly
> be doing this?

I once had a Beige with somewhat similar problems. Turned out the ROM  
chip contacts were dirty or not making connection. I removed the ROM  
chip and cleaned the gold contacts with a rubber eraser and then  
replace it, making sure it was properly seated in the slot, and all  
was well. Sometimes reseating all the slotted chips, ROM, RAM, PCI and  
video cards can help. I suspect the ROM because it controls the chime  
noise, and a wrong chime might indicate something amiss with the ROM.


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B&W with issues

[Devin Glenn]

I have a B&W G3 with some weird things goin on. When i turn it on, the
chime is strange, sort of like, "bon- bong". It will not put up an
image on the monitor either. I've reset the CUDA twice and its still
not giving me anything. Does anyone out there know what could possibly
be doing this?

Thank you
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Re: How do I evaluate which UPS for my office?

[MacGuy]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> APC's SmartUPS ones are the most expensive, but give you the best
> protection. One SmartUPS 1000 or 1200 may run you $400-$500, but it
> will protect all your computers. These have active voltage regulation.
>


I have a 1200 smartups and a 1100 smatups... I like to use one for my  
desktop system (MDD 1.25 & Samsung lcd 24" monitor) and the other one  
for macs I'm working on and external stuff. I bought them both brand  
new in sealed box with full warranty on ebay for around 125-165 each.  
They are really great units and the batteries are cheap on ebay as  
well (35 plus shipping). Just my personal experience.

What I find most amazing is how folks will spend upwards of 2000 on a  
new apple desktop but won't even consider UPS protection for a  
miniscule fraction of that? go figure but to each his own. Jeff

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Re: How do I evaluate which UPS for my office?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Anne Brataas wrote:

>
> Thanks for this on the UPS aspect of creating a maximally happy
> computer.
>
> How do I evaluate which UPS is best for my office?
>
>  I'm in a 100-year old stucco tudor building with irregular
> everything--never had a disaster, but it's a distinct possibility the
> way this place is held together with baling twine and beer tabs--and
> really I think I only truly care about the citizens of this list, the
> old 1.8 GZ/2GB/80 iMac, and the 1.0 GHZ/1.5 GB Quickbook dual
> processor, 2002, and the non-citizen of the list, my new 3.06GHZ/4GB/
> 500  iMac.
>
> The office has two non-Macs we made, and I'm willing to have them fend
> for themselves. And the PowerBook 1.25/1.5 GB/   I will take  care
> of with proper battery management, once I get its new hard drive in,
> correct?


APC has a nice little online form that will let you specify what  
you're plugging in, how long of a run time you want (not really  
important unless you get lots of blackouts or brownouts and want to  
work through them) and a few other things, and they present a list of  
suggested UPS'es.

I have an old BackUPS 400 unit at home, for a G4 tower, 19" monitor  
and a handful of external devices, and at work I've got a BackUPS 900  
for an Intel iMac, a monitor and a couple external HDD's. This is  
overkill, since I get 25-30 minutes time on battery...all I really  
need is enough time to shut down gracefully. Both do filtering and  
voltage conditioning on the line voltage.

APC's SmartUPS ones are the most expensive, but give you the best  
protection. One SmartUPS 1000 or 1200 may run you $400-$500, but it  
will protect all your computers. These have active voltage regulation.



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Re: Console

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote:

> I am in Console on my iMac. The messages it gives are batty. All of
> them look baaad. And see this morning's country code thingy,
> below. What's up with this?
>
> For ex:
>
> Apr 27 15:05:51 anne-keller-smiths-imac /Library/Application Support/
> FLEXnet Publisher/Service/11.5.0/FNPLicensingService[514]: Started -
> This service performs licensing functions on behalf of FLEXnet enabled
> products.
> Apr 27 15:05:52 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV
> code 0



Are you running Adobe apps? This might be it, there's an alleged fix  
buried in there:



There's also this Apple support thread:



Which leads to 


(the poster said doing step 1 and step 6 fixed the issue.)



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Re: MacJanitor

[Mel]

How about MacJanitor 1.3, which I believe is the latest version, to run the  
cron scripts?

BTW: I run all tasks using MacJanitor at least twice a week when I am doing 
something off line.  MacJanitor has taken as little as seven minutes and as 
much as 19 minutes to complete.

Mel

--- On Mon, 4/27/09, Jim Scott  wrote:

From: Jim Scott 
Subject: Re: MacJanitor
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 1:05 PM



On Apr 27, 2009, at 12:16 PM, nestamicky wrote:

> Kris Tilford wrote:
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Mel wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The percentages before 3:00 AM with every thing turned off would
>>> range from 2% to 5% and within 10 minutes would display from about
>>> 8% to 14% which would last for several minutes and then go back to
>>> the percentages prior to 3:00 AM.
>>>
>>
>> The daily cron scripts run at 3:15 AM. This is what you're observing.
>>
>>
>> Here's more info on cron scripts:
>> Each maintenance script — daily, weekly, and monthly — has a specific
>> function. Their functions have varied over different versions of Mac
>> OS X.
>>
>> The daily script removes old log files, "scratch" and "junk" files,
>> backs-up the NetInfo database (Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger and earlier),
>> reports a variety of system and network statistics, and rotates the
>> system.log file. Under Tiger, the daily script also cleans up scratch
>> fax files and prunes asl.log, the log file for the then-new Apple
>> System Loggingfacility. Under Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, the daily script
>> also prunes the asl.db file that replaced the asl.log file for Apple
>> System Logging.
>> The output from the daily script is written to the /var/log/daily.out
>> file, which can be viewed in Console.
>> By default, the daily script is scheduled to run daily at 03:15 hours
>> local time.
>>
>> The weekly script rebuilds the locate and whatis databases. Depending
>> on the version of Mac OS X, it also rotates the following log files:
>> ftp.log, lookupd.log, lpr.log,mail.log, netinfo.log, ipfw.log,
>> ppp.log, and secure.log
>> The output from the weekly script is written to the /var/log/
>> weekly.out file, which can be viewed in Console.
>> By default, the weekly script is scheduled to run every Saturday at a
>> specific time. Under Tiger and later, it runs at 03:15 hours local
>> time. Under Mac OS X 10.3 Panther and Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar it runs at
>> 04:30 hours local time.
>>
>> The monthly script reports per-user usage accounting and rotates —
>> depending on the version of Mac OS X — the wtmp, install.log, and
>> cu.modem.log files.
>> The output from the monthly script is written to the /var/log/
>> monthly.out file, which can be viewed in Console.
>> By default, the monthly script is scheduled to run on the first of  
>> the
>> month at 05:30 hours local time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> What I'd like to know Kris, or anyone, is how can these be done  
> manually? I'd prefer to remember to run cron scripts manually, than  
> leave my machine on all night, waiting for it.
>
Download and install MacJanitor 1.2.1, and you can use the utility's  
GUI to "manually" run these cron scripts. This latest version works in  
10.5 as well as most earlier versions of OS X. Or, if you're really  
lazy, download and install Anacron, which will run these scripts  
automatically without having to be bothered to remember. Anacron works  
in 10.4 and 10.5, IIRC.

Jim


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Re: CCC and Backups

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote:

>  I have always had it connected to
> an UPS, usually APC. Buy a new one every couple years when the battery
> goes. (Not worth it to ship a battery methinks.)

If you have a chain like Batteries Plus in your neck of the woods,  
they sell the batteries. We have one here in Tucson we get all the  
replacement batteries from them.

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Re: How do I evaluate which UPS for my office?

[Anne Brataas]

Thanks for this on the UPS aspect of creating a maximally happy  
computer.

How do I evaluate which UPS is best for my office?

  I'm in a 100-year old stucco tudor building with irregular  
everything--never had a disaster, but it's a distinct possibility the  
way this place is held together with baling twine and beer tabs--and  
really I think I only truly care about the citizens of this list, the  
old 1.8 GZ/2GB/80 iMac, and the 1.0 GHZ/1.5 GB Quickbook dual  
processor, 2002, and the non-citizen of the list, my new 3.06GHZ/4GB/ 
500  iMac.

The office has two non-Macs we made, and I'm willing to have them fend  
for themselves. And the PowerBook 1.25/1.5 GB/   I will take  care  
of with proper battery management, once I get its new hard drive in,  
correct?

Thanks!

Anne


On Apr 27, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

>
>
> On Apr 26, 2009, at 7:09 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote:
>
>> The reason to do this would be that if you back up the System every
>> day, would you not be backing up whatever errors have crept into it,
>> thereby rendering the backup problematic when a problem occurs?
>
> This is a separate issue entirely. Errors do not 'creep into a  
> system'.
>
> Computers are not organic things; when they fail, they fail in
> knowable ways due to deliberate activities. They may fail in subtle,
> difficult to identify ways, but in general when computer systems fail
> they fail because:
>
> Buggy software has been installed.
> Hardware is failing.
>
> With OS X the first is relatively simple to identify. If a problem is
> not noted by a different user on the system, or cannot be reproduced
> in Safe mode, then the issue is most likely buggy, third party
> software or corrupted caches. Caches get corrupted when there's
> problems writing or reading to/from disk (either from disk hardware
> problems or abrupt shutdowns). Clearing these (starting in safe mode,
> dumping browser caches, or running AppleJack to 'deep clean' things)
> often fixes the problem. This partially solved a nagging slowdown
> problem I had been having with my laptop, along with getting Flash
> crap under control in my browser.
>
> Hardware problems will increasingly become the issue with computers
> germane to this list...the very newest of them (the last G5 towers)
> are now approaching 4 years old, the oldest (the B&W G3) are ten years
> old.
>
> I'm tempting the LEM "endless idiotic UPS thread" curse here, but one
> of the best investments you can ever make for your computer system is
> a good, professional-grade uninterruptible power system, one that also
> conditions the power (you'll spend $120-$400 for one of these)
> Completely aside from the issue of protecting against power surges,
> they provide clean, design-spec power to the system.
>
> Electricity is the fuel for a computer, clean fuel == fewer problems.
> I've seen them work over 15 years as an IT professional.
>
> All this said, OSX is a remarkably stable and robust OS.
>
> I'm convinced that many of the problems people experience with OS X
> are the result of excessive tinkering, insufficient testing of new
> software (don't go installing three new pref panes and four new
> drivers at once.), too many 'switch off the power to shut down instead
> of shutting down properly' incidents and poor power leading to
> hardware faults.
>
> I know this because my own systems rarely experience the issues we see
> here, and mine are hardly pristine state of the art systems: an
> upgraded G4 that lived through a flood  (The boot drive has been with
> me since my computer was a Beige G3 running 10.2), a frankebook, half
> 867Mhz/half 1Ghz TiBook, with bits of my old Pismo installed, and an
> old first-gen Intel iMac.
>
> The desktops both live off of APC UPS'es, (A laptop's battery and
> power brick system comprise, in essence, both parts of a power
> conditioning UPS)
>
> I maintain current backups via Time Machine and that's it.
>
> I do no other 'system maintenance' whatsoever: I don't run
> DiskWarrior, Repair Permissions, Onyx, AppleJack, etc etc etc. As I
> said, OS X is robust. Leave it the heck alone and it usually runs
> pretty well all by itself.
>
> -- 
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> University of Arizona
> College of Pharmacy
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>
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>
>
>
> >


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Re: MacJanitor

[Jim Scott]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 12:16 PM, nestamicky wrote:

> Kris Tilford wrote:
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Mel wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The percentages before 3:00 AM with every thing turned off would
>>> range from 2% to 5% and within 10 minutes would display from about
>>> 8% to 14% which would last for several minutes and then go back to
>>> the percentages prior to 3:00 AM.
>>>
>>
>> The daily cron scripts run at 3:15 AM. This is what you're observing.
>>
>>
>> Here's more info on cron scripts:
>> Each maintenance script — daily, weekly, and monthly — has a specific
>> function. Their functions have varied over different versions of Mac
>> OS X.
>>
>> The daily script removes old log files, "scratch" and "junk" files,
>> backs-up the NetInfo database (Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger and earlier),
>> reports a variety of system and network statistics, and rotates the
>> system.log file. Under Tiger, the daily script also cleans up scratch
>> fax files and prunes asl.log, the log file for the then-new Apple
>> System Loggingfacility. Under Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, the daily script
>> also prunes the asl.db file that replaced the asl.log file for Apple
>> System Logging.
>> The output from the daily script is written to the /var/log/daily.out
>> file, which can be viewed in Console.
>> By default, the daily script is scheduled to run daily at 03:15 hours
>> local time.
>>
>> The weekly script rebuilds the locate and whatis databases. Depending
>> on the version of Mac OS X, it also rotates the following log files:
>> ftp.log, lookupd.log, lpr.log,mail.log, netinfo.log, ipfw.log,
>> ppp.log, and secure.log
>> The output from the weekly script is written to the /var/log/
>> weekly.out file, which can be viewed in Console.
>> By default, the weekly script is scheduled to run every Saturday at a
>> specific time. Under Tiger and later, it runs at 03:15 hours local
>> time. Under Mac OS X 10.3 Panther and Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar it runs at
>> 04:30 hours local time.
>>
>> The monthly script reports per-user usage accounting and rotates —
>> depending on the version of Mac OS X — the wtmp, install.log, and
>> cu.modem.log files.
>> The output from the monthly script is written to the /var/log/
>> monthly.out file, which can be viewed in Console.
>> By default, the monthly script is scheduled to run on the first of  
>> the
>> month at 05:30 hours local time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> What I'd like to know Kris, or anyone, is how can these be done  
> manually? I'd prefer to remember to run cron scripts manually, than  
> leave my machine on all night, waiting for it.
>
Download and install MacJanitor 1.2.1, and you can use the utility's  
GUI to "manually" run these cron scripts. This latest version works in  
10.5 as well as most earlier versions of OS X. Or, if you're really  
lazy, download and install Anacron, which will run these scripts  
automatically without having to be bothered to remember. Anacron works  
in 10.4 and 10.5, IIRC.

Jim
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Re: Console

[Anne Keller-Smith]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 3:37 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote:

> I am in Console on my iMac. The messages it gives are batty. All of  
> them look baaad.

I did not mean to indicate I am concerned, I'm just curious. It's a  
new machine, so I think it is prolly working perfectly, just talking  
to itself about nothing much.



Anne Keller Smith
Down to Earth Web Design

G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower
896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11

Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo
1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5

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Re: CCC and Backups

[Anne Keller-Smith]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> I'm tempting the LEM "endless idiotic UPS thread" curse here, but one
> of the best investments you can ever make for your computer system is
> a good, professional-grade uninterruptible power system, one that also
> conditions the power (you'll spend $120-$400 for one of these)
> Completely aside from the issue of protecting against power surges,
> they provide clean, design-spec power to the system.
>
> Electricity is the fuel for a computer, clean fuel == fewer problems.
> I've seen them work over 15 years as an IT professional.

Bruce, I second this.

My G4 has been running nonstop with no problems at all since early  
2002. Sleep thing is the only trouble it has had (except for broken  
fan the first year under warranty). I have always had it connected to  
an UPS, usually APC. Buy a new one every couple years when the battery  
goes. (Not worth it to ship a battery methinks.)

Been telling my son not to download every mini app under the sun. I  
will make him read your whole post.

Thank you!



Anne Keller Smith
Down to Earth Web Design

G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower
896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11

Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo
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Console

[Anne Keller-Smith]

I am in Console on my iMac. The messages it gives are batty. All of  
them look baaad. And see this morning's country code thingy,  
below. What's up with this?

For ex:

Apr 27 15:05:51 anne-keller-smiths-imac /Library/Application Support/ 
FLEXnet Publisher/Service/11.5.0/FNPLicensingService[514]: Started -  
This service performs licensing functions on behalf of FLEXnet enabled  
products.
Apr 27 15:05:52 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:06:22: --- last message repeated 13 times ---
Apr 27 15:06:32 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:07:02: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:07:12 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:07:42: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:07:52 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:08:22: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:08:32 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:09:02: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:09:12 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:09:42: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:09:52 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:10:22: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:10:32 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:11:02: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:11:12 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:11:42: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:11:52 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:12:22: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:12:32 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:13:02: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:13:12 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:13:42: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:13:52 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:14:22: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:14:32 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:15:02: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:15:12 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:15:42: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:15:52 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:16:21: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:16:21 anne-keller-smiths-imac  
[0x0-0x2d02d].org.mozilla.firefox[300]: Debugger() was called!
Apr 27 15:16:32 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:17:02: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:17:12 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:17:42: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:17:52 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:18:22: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:18:32 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:19:02: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:19:12 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:19:42: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:19:52 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:20:22: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:20:32 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:21:02: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:21:12 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:21:42: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:21:52 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:22:22: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:22:32 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:23:02: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:23:12 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:23:42: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:23:52 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:24:22: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:24:32 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:25:02: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:25:12 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:25:42: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:25:52 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
Apr 27 15:26:22: --- last message repeated 3 times ---
Apr 27 15:26:32 anne-keller-smiths-imac kernel[0]: unknown SIGSEGV  
code 0
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Re: MacJanitor

[nestamicky]

Kris Tilford wrote:
> On Apr 25, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Mel wrote:
>
>   
>> The percentages before 3:00 AM with every thing turned off would  
>> range from 2% to 5% and within 10 minutes would display from about  
>> 8% to 14% which would last for several minutes and then go back to  
>> the percentages prior to 3:00 AM.
>> 
>
> The daily cron scripts run at 3:15 AM. This is what you're observing.
>
>
> Here's more info on cron scripts:
> Each maintenance script — daily, weekly, and monthly — has a specific  
> function. Their functions have varied over different versions of Mac  
> OS X.
>
> The daily script removes old log files, "scratch" and "junk" files,  
> backs-up the NetInfo database (Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger and earlier),  
> reports a variety of system and network statistics, and rotates the  
> system.log file. Under Tiger, the daily script also cleans up scratch  
> fax files and prunes asl.log, the log file for the then-new Apple  
> System Loggingfacility. Under Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, the daily script  
> also prunes the asl.db file that replaced the asl.log file for Apple  
> System Logging.
> The output from the daily script is written to the /var/log/daily.out  
> file, which can be viewed in Console.
> By default, the daily script is scheduled to run daily at 03:15 hours  
> local time.
>
> The weekly script rebuilds the locate and whatis databases. Depending  
> on the version of Mac OS X, it also rotates the following log files:  
> ftp.log, lookupd.log, lpr.log,mail.log, netinfo.log, ipfw.log,  
> ppp.log, and secure.log
> The output from the weekly script is written to the /var/log/ 
> weekly.out file, which can be viewed in Console.
> By default, the weekly script is scheduled to run every Saturday at a  
> specific time. Under Tiger and later, it runs at 03:15 hours local  
> time. Under Mac OS X 10.3 Panther and Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar it runs at  
> 04:30 hours local time.
>
> The monthly script reports per-user usage accounting and rotates —  
> depending on the version of Mac OS X — the wtmp, install.log, and  
> cu.modem.log files.
> The output from the monthly script is written to the /var/log/ 
> monthly.out file, which can be viewed in Console.
> By default, the monthly script is scheduled to run on the first of the  
> month at 05:30 hours local time.
>
>
> >
>   
What I'd like to know Kris, or anyone, is how can these be done 
manually? I'd prefer to remember to run cron scripts manually, than 
leave my machine on all night, waiting for it.

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Re: CCC and Backups

[Clark Martin]

Bruce Johnson wrote:
> 
> On Apr 27, 2009, at 9:12 AM, Len Gerstel wrote:
> 
>> I guess I will still need to run them OCCASIONALLY on my work Mac
>> running 10.4.11 since I shut that down every night.
> 
> This is another problem that was bigger in earlier versions of OS X.  
> In 10.1 and 10.2 people were finding their systems slowed to a crawl  
> after 7-10 months of use; this was because the system logs were  
> growing to an unmanageable size. Thus Onyx and MacJanitor were born.
> 
> Since then OSX has modified it's log handling routines (primarily to  
> put a cap on file size...when a file gets to be too big, it does a  
> logrotate call then rather than waiting for it to get called when the  
> periodic script calls it), systems have come with more memory, larger  
> hard drives and faster processors thus ameliorating the problems  
> considerably.
> 
> You still don't want the log files to grow too large, but the issue is  
> less pressing.

I had a problem once where something went wrong causing many long 
entries per second.  This quickly ran the log file up to Gb size and got 
close to filling the HD.  It is a known but rare problem.  IIRC I solved 
it by restarting then purging the log file.  It never re-occured so I 
didn't delve into further.  It's rather disconcerting though to see your 
disk free space count down ... fast.

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Re: CCC and Backups

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 9:12 AM, Len Gerstel wrote:

>
> I guess I will still need to run them OCCASIONALLY on my work Mac
> running 10.4.11 since I shut that down every night.

This is another problem that was bigger in earlier versions of OS X.  
In 10.1 and 10.2 people were finding their systems slowed to a crawl  
after 7-10 months of use; this was because the system logs were  
growing to an unmanageable size. Thus Onyx and MacJanitor were born.

Since then OSX has modified it's log handling routines (primarily to  
put a cap on file size...when a file gets to be too big, it does a  
logrotate call then rather than waiting for it to get called when the  
periodic script calls it), systems have come with more memory, larger  
hard drives and faster processors thus ameliorating the problems  
considerably.

You still don't want the log files to grow too large, but the issue is  
less pressing.

Fire up terminal occasionally and do:

ls -l /var/log

And see what you get. Note those files sizes are listed in 1 Kb  
blocks. If they're upwards of 250Mb, time to rotate the logs. The ones  
that grow the most are system.log and secure.log; this is what they  
look like on my work system:

-rw-r-   1 root   admin   78604 Apr 27 08:08 secure.log
-rw-r-   1 root   admin5492 Apr 22 04:00 secure.log.0.bz2
-rw-r-   1 root   admin5983 Apr 19 18:00 secure.log.1.bz2
-rw-r-   1 root   admin7458 Apr 19 11:00 secure.log.2.bz2
-rw-r-   1 root   admin7062 Apr 19 00:00 secure.log.3.bz2
-rw-r-   1 root   admin6824 Apr 18 13:00 secure.log.4.bz2
-rw-r-   1 root   admin7452 Apr 18 06:00 secure.log.5.bz2
-rw-r-   1 root   admin   13094 Apr 27 09:31 system.log
-rw-r-   1 root   admin2776 Apr 27 00:00 system.log.0.bz2
-rw-r-   1 root   admin2508 Apr 26 00:00 system.log.1.bz2
-rw-r-   1 root   admin4931 Apr 25 00:00 system.log.2.bz2
-rw-r-   1 root   admin4668 Apr 24 00:00 system.log.3.bz2
-rw-r-   1 root   admin5989 Apr 23 00:00 system.log.4.bz2
-rw-r-   1 root   admin5653 Apr 22 00:00 system.log.5.bz2
-rw-r-   1 root   admin4961 Apr 21 00:00 system.log.6.bz2
-rw-r-   1 root   admin2426 Apr 20 00:00 system.log.7.bz2

Each N.bz2 version is a rotated log. You'll see that system is rotated  
every night at midnight, but secure.log has been rotated out of turn  
(right now the campus is suffering a distributed attack on ssh ports,  
so my log is filling with junk like the following:

Apr 27 05:05:16 dbdev2 com.apple.SecurityServer[32]: Failed to  
authorize right system.login.tty by client /usr/sbin/sshd for  
authorization created by /usr/sbin/sshd.
Apr 27 05:05:16 dbdev2 sshd[88559]: Failed password for invalid user  
oracle from 72.22.209.43 port 5538 ssh2
Apr 27 05:05:16 dbdev2 sshd[88561]: reverse mapping checking  
getaddrinfo for biz43.sta.linkcity.org.209.22.72.in-addr.arpa  
[72.22.209.43] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT!)

Which is less dangerous than it sounds like, since I've got Remote  
Access tied down pretty securely. We've got a botnet banging on doors  
all over campus trying common username/password combinations.

Rudimentary precautions (no root logins allowed, use good password  
hygiene) will block this stuff, but you would be astonished at how  
often even rudimentary precautions aren't taken.

However in my case the only problem is that my secure log is filling  
up rapidly.)



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Re: CCC and Backups

[Len Gerstel]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 12:06 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

>
>
> On Apr 27, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Len Gerstel wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 27, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>> I do no other 'system maintenance' whatsoever: I don't run
>>> DiskWarrior, Repair Permissions, Onyx, AppleJack, etc etc etc. As I
>>> said, OS X is robust. Leave it the heck alone and it usually runs
>>> pretty well all by itself.
>>
>> Since you do not run these things, do you leave your system on
>> overnight so it can run the regular maintenance scripts?
>
> Every year or so I may check to see if the logfiles are getting too
> big and run the scripts by hand, but since 10.5 will now run them as
> needed when it can, I don't bother even with that.

Thanks, I did not know that 10.5 ran the scripts when it could. My  
home mac is fine.

I guess I will still need to run them OCCASIONALLY on my work Mac  
running 10.4.11 since I shut that down every night.

Thanks,
Len




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Re: CCC and Backups

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Len Gerstel wrote:

>
>
> On Apr 27, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>>
>> I do no other 'system maintenance' whatsoever: I don't run
>> DiskWarrior, Repair Permissions, Onyx, AppleJack, etc etc etc. As I
>> said, OS X is robust. Leave it the heck alone and it usually runs
>> pretty well all by itself.
>
> Since you do not run these things, do you leave your system on
> overnight so it can run the regular maintenance scripts?

My work machine, since it's also a web server, doesn't sleep. The  
others I turn on and off as I use them, so no.

Every year or so I may check to see if the logfiles are getting too  
big and run the scripts by hand, but since 10.5 will now run them as  
needed when it can, I don't bother even with that.

Really the scheduled scripts do some housekeeping but it's hardly the  
kind that will cause problems if they're not run for a long time.

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Re: CCC and Backups

[Len Gerstel]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>
> I do no other 'system maintenance' whatsoever: I don't run
> DiskWarrior, Repair Permissions, Onyx, AppleJack, etc etc etc. As I
> said, OS X is robust. Leave it the heck alone and it usually runs
> pretty well all by itself.

Since you do not run these things, do you leave your system on  
overnight so it can run the regular maintenance scripts?

Len

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Re: Software Update Stuck?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 8:13 AM, Clark Martin wrote:

>
> insightinmind wrote:
>> My Software Update under 10.5.6 seems stuck ... it just sits there  
>> and
>> pulses it aqua-line ...
>>
>> Is Apple busy? or do I need to clear something?
>>
>> Did the same thing yesterday ...
>
> How long did you wait?  It cans sometimes take several minutes to  
> complete.
>
> I just tried it, it took about two minutes with nothing recent  
> (meaning
> there should be a heavy demand on the servers.

I checked this weekend a couple times for different systems, both  
times it took a lot longer than usual.

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Re: CCC and Backups

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 26, 2009, at 7:09 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote:

> The reason to do this would be that if you back up the System every
> day, would you not be backing up whatever errors have crept into it,
> thereby rendering the backup problematic when a problem occurs?

This is a separate issue entirely. Errors do not 'creep into a system'.

Computers are not organic things; when they fail, they fail in  
knowable ways due to deliberate activities. They may fail in subtle,  
difficult to identify ways, but in general when computer systems fail  
they fail because:

Buggy software has been installed.
Hardware is failing.

With OS X the first is relatively simple to identify. If a problem is  
not noted by a different user on the system, or cannot be reproduced  
in Safe mode, then the issue is most likely buggy, third party  
software or corrupted caches. Caches get corrupted when there's  
problems writing or reading to/from disk (either from disk hardware  
problems or abrupt shutdowns). Clearing these (starting in safe mode,  
dumping browser caches, or running AppleJack to 'deep clean' things)  
often fixes the problem. This partially solved a nagging slowdown  
problem I had been having with my laptop, along with getting Flash  
crap under control in my browser.

Hardware problems will increasingly become the issue with computers  
germane to this list...the very newest of them (the last G5 towers)  
are now approaching 4 years old, the oldest (the B&W G3) are ten years  
old.

I'm tempting the LEM "endless idiotic UPS thread" curse here, but one  
of the best investments you can ever make for your computer system is  
a good, professional-grade uninterruptible power system, one that also  
conditions the power (you'll spend $120-$400 for one of these)  
Completely aside from the issue of protecting against power surges,  
they provide clean, design-spec power to the system.

Electricity is the fuel for a computer, clean fuel == fewer problems.  
I've seen them work over 15 years as an IT professional.

All this said, OSX is a remarkably stable and robust OS.

I'm convinced that many of the problems people experience with OS X  
are the result of excessive tinkering, insufficient testing of new  
software (don't go installing three new pref panes and four new  
drivers at once.), too many 'switch off the power to shut down instead  
of shutting down properly' incidents and poor power leading to  
hardware faults.

I know this because my own systems rarely experience the issues we see  
here, and mine are hardly pristine state of the art systems: an  
upgraded G4 that lived through a flood  (The boot drive has been with  
me since my computer was a Beige G3 running 10.2), a frankebook, half  
867Mhz/half 1Ghz TiBook, with bits of my old Pismo installed, and an  
old first-gen Intel iMac.

The desktops both live off of APC UPS'es, (A laptop's battery and  
power brick system comprise, in essence, both parts of a power  
conditioning UPS)

I maintain current backups via Time Machine and that's it.

I do no other 'system maintenance' whatsoever: I don't run  
DiskWarrior, Repair Permissions, Onyx, AppleJack, etc etc etc. As I  
said, OS X is robust. Leave it the heck alone and it usually runs  
pretty well all by itself.

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Re: Software Update Stuck?

[Clark Martin]

insightinmind wrote:
> My Software Update under 10.5.6 seems stuck ... it just sits there and 
> pulses it aqua-line ...
> 
> Is Apple busy? or do I need to clear something?
> 
> Did the same thing yesterday ...

How long did you wait?  It cans sometimes take several minutes to complete.

I just tried it, it took about two minutes with nothing recent (meaning 
there should be a heavy demand on the servers.

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Software Update Stuck?

[insightinmind]

My Software Update under 10.5.6 seems stuck ... it just sits there  
and pulses it aqua-line ...

Is Apple busy? or do I need to clear something?

Did the same thing yesterday ...

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running a startup script in 10.5

[Bill Christensen]

Hey all,

I'm trying to run a script on startup to launch a daemon, and I can't 
figure out how to make it work.   I've faithfully followed 
instructions on OReilly and other known valid sources, with no 
success.  There must be some voodoo I'm missing.

In terminal I can just type it out:

fetchmail --fetchmailrc /etc/fetchmailrc -d 500 --nosyslog --nodetatch

I've tried creating an executeable script in BBEdit, complete with 
the #!/bin/bash and chmod +x, and all it does is open in BBEdit. 
This one has to run as a non-root user.  I've got another that needs 
to run as root.

I've tried to do the launchd thing, and keep getting user mismatches and such.

I tried startup items in earlier versions of OSX.

Any pointers?  Thanks in advance.


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