[Manager Comment] Re: Forgotten how to change my digest mode
On Oct 16, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Tina K. wrote: On 2010/10/16 18:33, dorayme so eloquently wrote: I would like to change my preferences for reading this group. I want to try just using it via Google Groups and stop the email digest. Not sure where to do this? For some reason the unsubscribe link is missing on the g3-5-list and I ran into the same problem. Using the unsubscribe link on the iMac list I determined that the correct unsubscribe link for this group is: g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com I have mentioned this to the group leader but not heard anything back. HTH, I do not believe that it was the OP's intention to unsubscribe from the group. A while back the Group Owner informed all group members that, because the "unsubscribe" link did not always work reliably, he removed it, and asked members to make use of the following, which appears at the end of every group message: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > In any case, I have changed the "Subscription Type" to "No e-mail" for the OP. He could have done it easily himself. Any member who needs assistance with subscription issues, please send a private message to one of the Group Managers, instead of posting a general message to the entire group. Fabian Fang LEM G-Group Manager -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Forgotten how to change my digest mode
On 2010/10/16 18:33, dorayme so eloquently wrote: I would like to change my preferences for reading this group. I want to try just using it via Google Groups and stop the email digest. Not sure where to do this? For some reason the unsubscribe link is missing on the g3-5-list and I ran into the same problem. Using the unsubscribe link on the iMac list I determined that the correct unsubscribe link for this group is: g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com I have mentioned this to the group leader but not heard anything back. HTH, Tina -- iMac 20" USB 2, 1.25 GHz G4, 2 GB RAM, GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64 MB DDR Power Mac June 04, 2 GHz G5 DP, 8 GB RAM, GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256 MB PowerBook G4 15" Hi-Res DL-SD, 1.67 GHz G4, Radeon 9700 128 MB DDR -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers Date:Sonntag 17 Oktober 2010N From:Powermac To: "G-Group" > So what are my options on the slow single G4-800 on a QS2002? As far as I know, every QS2002 processor card should work. I personally would grab anything that is low priced and a Dual processor for 133 MHz system buses. That is: * Dual-533 MHz from Digital Audio * Dual-800 MHz from Quicksilver * Dual-1 GHz from Quicksilver 2002 You cannot use a processor from an MDD or FW800, they are incompatible. You could use a Dual-450 or Dual-500 from a Gigabit Ethernet, but you'd have to move resistors, since these are for 100 MHz system buses. Examples: 4.5 × 100 MHz = 450 MHz 3.5 × 133 MHz = 465 MHz or 5.0 × 100 MHz = 500 MHz 4.0 × 133 MHz = 533 MHz You can see why the Digital Audio has a Dual-533 MHz instead of a Dual-500 MHz processor – the 133 MHz system bus. (Re)move the resistors like described in this link: http://power-mac-g4.com/g4clockup.html In the table “G4 JUMPER CHART”, set the Multiplicator CCU so that it gives the correct CPU speed for a 133 MHz bus. A CPU upgrade card from OWC, Sonnect, Newer Technology, FastMac, Giga Designs or PowerLogix is also a good option, but I recommend at least a Single-1.2 GHz for decent performance. These cards are often quite expensive, even used ones. Hope that helped, Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers Date:Sonntag 17 Oktober 2010N From:Peter Haas To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > On Oct 16, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Powermac wrote: > > So what are my options on the slow single G4-800 on a QS2002? > > Not so good. Runs hot. I got a Power Mac G4 Quicksilver (original from 2001) with a Single-733 MHz processor. It was terribly slow, at least compared to what I was used to (a Dual 1 GHz MDD). I then bought a Dual-800 MHz processor card that also came from a QS (original, 2001) and replaced the original processor with this new “upgrade”. No problems. No running hot. No issues. It was running quite a lot, often at 100% CPU usage (compiling Gentoo Linux…) – all stable, but nowerdays it mostly switched off since I have a new PC. > I up-clocked my 733 to 800, and gave up ... too hot. I've now overclocked a Dual-450 to 500 MHz (came from a GE) in my Power Mac G4 AGP, originally Single-400 MHz. I haven't stess-tested it yet, but it did run stable for at least two hours with the processor level was quite high at times. > Bought a dual 1000 for it. Of course, a Dual-1 GHz would be the best for a QS – max'd out so to say. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Forgotten how to change my digest mode
I would like to change my preferences for reading this group. I want to try just using it via Google Groups and stop the email digest. Not sure where to do this? -- dorayme -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers
On Oct 16, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Powermac wrote: So what are my options on the slow single G4-800 on a QS2002? Not so good. Runs hot. I up-clocked my 733 to 800, and gave up ... too hot. Bought a dual 1000 for it. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers
So what are my options on the slow single G4-800 on a QS2002? On Oct 16, 4:07 pm, "Mac User #330250" wrote: > -- Original message -- > Subject: Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers > Date: Samstag 16 Oktober 2010N > From: Peter Haas > To: g3-5-l...@googlegroups.com > > > The way Apple designed the dual 800 and dual 1000 board, although > > using the same raw board, it is not possible to speed up (change from > > 800 to 1000) for down speed (change from 1000 to 800) a processor card. > > Sorry, I don't understand this sentence. > … it is not possible to speed up for down speed a processor card ??? > > What is to speed up for down speed? > Or did you mean: to speed up *or* down speed a processor card? > > This way the sentence would make sense to me. > If so, I don't think you're right. It should be possible to put a Dual-1 GHz > from a QS2002 into any QS2001 as it should be possible to put a Dual-800 MHz > from a QS2001 into any QS2002. > But… yes, I remember reading something about an incompatibility here. But I > don't know why. > > So, the question still remains: why? (can't I put a QS2002 Dual processor into > a QS 2001 and vice versa?) > > Anyway, I think it is well possible to change the speed of the processor card. > > > On uniprocessors, it is sometimes possible to change the speed > > through adjustment of certain jumpers, which usually means removing > > or adding a resistor, possible a "zero ohm" resistor (i.e., a jumper). > > Not only on uniprocessors:http://power-mac-g4.com/g4clockup.html > > Apparently you can also overclock a Dual-450 from a GE. > And from what I've read somewhere (no link at hand) people are also > overclocking their Dual-1 GHz machines… -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G4 Dual-450 MHz processor performance issue
Hi! A few months ago I purchased four Dual-450 processor cards from GE's to put into my two G4 AGP, originally 400 MHz. One of the G4 AGP's came with an OWC 1.4 GHz upgrade, but that is another story. Anyway, I tested all four Dual-450 processors and everything looked normal. Only, when I ran Geekbench, one of them reaches considerably lower values than the other three. The three ‘normal’ Dual-450's reach a Geekbench score of about 470. This specific ‘slow’ Dual-450 reaches only a little less than 420. I've now (yes, just now, 30 minutes ago :-)) overclocked this ‘stange’ Dual-450 to be a Dual-500. http://power-mac-g4.com/g4clockup.html Now, I get a score of almost 490 with this processor. But it's running at 500 MHz now, so the lower performance relative to the other Dual-450's is still there. If you should wander: I tested all four Dual-450 processors in the same AGP, and one of the normal ones in the other. So it cannot be the specific G4 that has issues, it must be the processor card. So, I wander if there is anything I can do? I'm writing this because I am sure that one of you can come up with something that helps me diagnose this performance issue. Thanks, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: weird message
On Oct 16, 2010, at 12:02 PM, Linda wrote: all of a sudden my computer wants me to 'unlock screen'. "You must authenticat to unloc screen" The computer is left on, the screen saver is running but when I move the mouse the screen goes blank and I have to input my user password. The computer never did this before. This is a setting in the Security prefs "Require a password to wake this computer from sleep or screen saver". Also I hate key chain since now my mail wants me to 'key chain' password before it will download my mail. Is there anyway to turn this off? Your keychain entry for this password may be corrupted. If Mail is the only application doing this, go into Keychain Access (in the utilities folder) and look for an "Internet password for your mail server. Double-click on it, click on Access Control and make sure the box 'Ask for Keychain Password' is unchecked. Also make sure Mail is listed in the 'Always allow access for these applications' section. If both of these are set correctly and you still have this issue first try repairing your keychain (via Keychain First Aid in the Keychain Access menu), then try deleting the Mail password (while Mail is NOT running) and checking the box for the password to be remembered in the keychain. Make sure there is only one saved password for the incoming mail server (in the Attributes section, in the where line it will say smtp:// (for outgoing authentication, if used) and imap:// or pop:// for the incoming mail server. If all else fails, make sure you know the remembered passwords, (you can use Keychain access to view the saved passwords) then delete the login keychain. Immediately log off and back in, and it'll create a new one the first time you're prompted for a password, as in your email. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers Date:Samstag 16 Oktober 2010N From:Peter Haas To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > The way Apple designed the dual 800 and dual 1000 board, although > using the same raw board, it is not possible to speed up (change from > 800 to 1000) for down speed (change from 1000 to 800) a processor card. Sorry, I don't understand this sentence. … it is not possible to speed up for down speed a processor card ??? What is to speed up for down speed? Or did you mean: to speed up *or* down speed a processor card? This way the sentence would make sense to me. If so, I don't think you're right. It should be possible to put a Dual-1 GHz from a QS2002 into any QS2001 as it should be possible to put a Dual-800 MHz from a QS2001 into any QS2002. But… yes, I remember reading something about an incompatibility here. But I don't know why. So, the question still remains: why? (can't I put a QS2002 Dual processor into a QS 2001 and vice versa?) Anyway, I think it is well possible to change the speed of the processor card. > On uniprocessors, it is sometimes possible to change the speed > through adjustment of certain jumpers, which usually means removing > or adding a resistor, possible a "zero ohm" resistor (i.e., a jumper). Not only on uniprocessors: http://power-mac-g4.com/g4clockup.html Apparently you can also overclock a Dual-450 from a GE. And from what I've read somewhere (no link at hand) people are also overclocking their Dual-1 GHz machines… -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers Date:Samstag 16 Oktober 2010N From:"ah...clem" To: "G-Group" > […] ANY DP that > physically fits the electronic connection will work. even the 450/500 > DPs from a GE will work, except they won't have a power connector for > the CPU fan. and all of the third part G4 DP upgrades work just > fine, from AGP thru QS'02, no modifications necessary. the only DP > CPUs that WON'T work are those from a MDD, because they physically > won't fit, nor will the electronic connectors match up. Yes, this is also my impression. Only the UniNorth revision seems to be a factor. Anyway, I would at least try a swap and see if it worked. It is always worth a try – dual processors just rock! Thanks, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers
On Sat, 2010-10-16 at 19:11 +0200, Mac User #330250 wrote: > -- Original message -- > Subject: Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers > Date:Samstag 16 Oktober 2010N > From:Peter Haas > To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > > I always thought that the dual processor support came with UniNorth chip > revision 7. I implied that the Uni-N chip is therefor responsible for the > dual > processor function. I'm not sure if 7 is required for dual processor, period, or for reliable dual processor under Mac OS X. Either way, you want 7 or newer. > BTW I have two Power Mac G4 AGP 400 MHz that have Uni-N revision 7 and I > successfully ran Dual-450 MHz processors from a G4 GE in them. I couldn't > find > out if every G4 AGP has Uni-N revision 7 or if I was just lucky to get the > right ones. You were somewhat lucky. I have a G4 AGP/400 which only has Uni-N revision 3. I *think* I need to upgrade to a Sawtooth rev. 2 motherboard in order to get the newer Uni-N. John -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
weird message
Model Name: Power Mac G4 Model Identifier: PowerMac3,6 Processor Name:PowerPC G4 (3.3) Processor Speed: 1.25 GHz Number Of CPUs:1 L2 Cache (per CPU):256 KB L3 Cache (per CPU):1 MB Memory:2 GB Bus Speed: 167 MHz System Version: Mac OS X 10.5.8 (9L30) all of a sudden my computer wants me to 'unlock screen'. "You must authenticat to unloc screen" The computer is left on, the screen saver is running but when I move the mouse the screen goes blank and I have to input my user password. The computer never did this before. Also I hate key chain since now my mail wants me to 'key chain' password before it will download my mail. Is there anyway to turn this off? thanks Linda in Ohio -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers
On Oct 16, 2010, at 10:01 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: I don't get this. Is the board the same or is it not? The "raw" board is the same. The "stuffed" board is quite different. There are places for two voltage regulator systems. The 800 MHz uses one regulator system, the 1000 MHz uses another regulator system. I sometimes read that the QS2002 Single-800 MHz board is supported by various processor upgrades, but the Dual-QS2002 boards are not. Why is that? What do you mean by “stuffed”? Stuffed is a "word of art" for the process of picking and placing discrete components onto the raw board, usually by automatic machine. Do I get this right: chips that are not soldered onto the board maybe? – And these chips are different comparing the Single-800 and the Dual-1000 model? All components are reflow-soldered. By “divert” you mean to put a QS2002 800 MHz CPU into a QS2002 Dual board? Why should this not be possible, when the opposite is possible? Divert means to change its function or performance, from one level to another. The way Apple designed the dual 800 and dual 1000 board, although using the same raw board, it is not possible to speed up (change from 800 to 1000) for down speed (change from 1000 to 800) a processor card. On uniprocessors, it is sometimes possible to change the speed through adjustment of certain jumpers, which usually means removing or adding a resistor, possible a "zero ohm" resistor (i.e., a jumper). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sort of Off Topic... SeaMonkey on G4 Gigabit
On 2010/10/16 10:50, James Therrault so eloquently wrote: This question is regarding a certain newsgroup, (I subscribe to Giganews), that I can no longer connect to. I know that the group is still alive as you can pick it up on google but that really sucks. I subscribe to twelve groups, (including this one), and have no problems with any of the others. BTW, Giganews tech support states that there is no problem on their end and I'm sure that they're right. Try reading the newsgroup in question with another app, MT-NewsWatcher X, Pineapple News, or the like. If you can read it with another app then it's likely a corrupt pref or an incorrect setting in SeaMonkey. If you still can't read it there's something more globally wrong at your end. Try creating a new user account and see if you can read it from there. Tina -- iMac 20" USB 2, 1.25 GHz G4, 2 GB RAM, GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64 MB DDR Power Mac June 04, 2 GHz G5 DP, 8 GB RAM, GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256 MB PowerBook G4 15" Hi-Res DL-SD, 1.67 GHz G4, Radeon 9700 128 MB DDR -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers
the boards are the same. period. you can certainly run a dual 800 from a QS 2001 in your '02 without any other modifications, and the benefit is not only two processors versus one, the single 800 on the QS 2002 (just like the single 733 on the QS 2001) has NO level 2 cache. none. there is a huge performance penalty from lack of L2 cache. that is why you cannot give away the processor cards from either a QS'01 733s or the QS'02 800s. virtually no one wants them. (i've got 5 of 'em if anyone is interested.) i have a QS'02 that originally had the 800 processor, and i replaced it with a dual 533 from a DA, and it works just fine. in bench tests with various utility apps and real work comparisons with real world apps, the dual 533 slightly outperforms the native single 933 that was available in the QS 2002. it is also a direct physical swap including the cooling fan and shroud, and no physical modifications are required. only drawback an minor hack is required to install 10.5.6. i have no clue what the other respondent to your question is thinking but ANY DP that physically fits the electronic connection will work. even the 450/500 DPs from a GE will work, except they won't have a power connector for the CPU fan. and all of the third part G4 DP upgrades work just fine, from AGP thru QS'02, no modifications necessary. the only DP CPUs that WON'T work are those from a MDD, because they physically won't fit, nor will the electronic connectors match up. On Oct 16, 1:01 pm, "Mac User #330250" wrote: > -- Original message -- > Subject: Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers > Date: Samstag 16 Oktober 2010N > From: Peter Haas > To: g3-5-l...@googlegroups.com > > > The "raw" (i.e. unpopulated) board is the same between the 0.8 GHz > > (AKA, 800 MHz) and the 1.0 GHz (AKA, 1000 MHz), but the boards are > > "stuffed" quite differently as the chips are different. > > > It is, therefore, not possible to "divert" a 0.8 GHz to a 1.0 GHz. > > > I suppose is is possible to divert a 1.0 GHz to a 0.8 GHz. > > I don't get this. > Is the board the same or is it not? > > I sometimes read that the QS2002 Single-800 MHz board is supported by various > processor upgrades, but the Dual-QS2002 boards are not. Why is that? > > What do you mean by “stuffed”? > Do I get this right: chips that are not soldered onto the board maybe? – And > these chips are different comparing the Single-800 and the Dual-1000 model? > > By “divert” you mean to put a QS2002 800 MHz CPU into a QS2002 Dual board? Why > should this not be possible, when the opposite is possible? > > Cheers, > Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers Date:Samstag 16 Oktober 2010N From:Peter Haas To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > Dual processor support was added for real, and for > good somewhere in the gigabit ethernet series. The capability to > support dual processors is in the Grand Central LSI chip, which is > not on the processor card but is on the back of the motherboard. I always thought that the dual processor support came with UniNorth chip revision 7. I implied that the Uni-N chip is therefor responsible for the dual processor function. http://www.powerlogix.com/support/agp_dual_compat/index.html Maybe I'm wrong. Do you have any source for further reading? BTW I have two Power Mac G4 AGP 400 MHz that have Uni-N revision 7 and I successfully ran Dual-450 MHz processors from a G4 GE in them. I couldn't find out if every G4 AGP has Uni-N revision 7 or if I was just lucky to get the right ones. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers Date:Samstag 16 Oktober 2010N From:Peter Haas To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > The "raw" (i.e. unpopulated) board is the same between the 0.8 GHz > (AKA, 800 MHz) and the 1.0 GHz (AKA, 1000 MHz), but the boards are > "stuffed" quite differently as the chips are different. > > It is, therefore, not possible to "divert" a 0.8 GHz to a 1.0 GHz. > > I suppose is is possible to divert a 1.0 GHz to a 0.8 GHz. I don't get this. Is the board the same or is it not? I sometimes read that the QS2002 Single-800 MHz board is supported by various processor upgrades, but the Dual-QS2002 boards are not. Why is that? What do you mean by “stuffed”? Do I get this right: chips that are not soldered onto the board maybe? – And these chips are different comparing the Single-800 and the Dual-1000 model? By “divert” you mean to put a QS2002 800 MHz CPU into a QS2002 Dual board? Why should this not be possible, when the opposite is possible? Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers
On Oct 16, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: You will need at least the dual 1.0 G4 … Why is that? Won't the Dual-800 MHz from the QS2001 also work in the Single-800 MHz QS2002? Sure, a dual 0.8 GHz would be fine, but the dual 1.0 GHz are easier to find. The "raw" (i.e. unpopulated) board is the same between the 0.8 GHz (AKA, 800 MHz) and the 1.0 GHz (AKA, 1000 MHz), but the boards are "stuffed" quite differently as the chips are different. It is, therefore, not possible to "divert" a 0.8 GHz to a 1.0 GHz. I suppose is is possible to divert a 1.0 GHz to a 0.8 GHz. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers Date:Samstag 16 Oktober 2010N From:Peter Haas To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > You will need at least the dual 1.0 G4 … Why is that? Won't the Dual-800 MHz from the QS2001 also work in the Single-800 MHz QS2002? Two times 800 MHz will be much better than just one time 800 MHz, don't you think? Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 64-bit question
-- Original message -- Subject: 64-bit question Date:Samstag 16 Oktober 2010N From:Arnel Tuazon To: "G-List" > I know my G5 is 64-bit (I have the late 2005 dual core PPC G5), but is > Leopard (10.5.9) 64-bit? Yes and no. The kernel is 32-bit, but it can run 64-bit applications. Tiger could also run 64-bit applications, but not in the GUI i.e. Aqua → only console applications can be 64-bit under Tiger. Since Leopard also a GUI application (Carbon, Aqua) can be 64-bit. Keep in mind, that 64-bit is only useful for >4 GB of memory. You also have to distinguish between system memory and application memory. * A 32-bit application will always be limited to use as much as 4 GB of memory (physical or virtual). A 64-bit application can use all the memory you've got. * A 32-bit kernel can handle more than 4 GB of memory, so the kernel is not the real issue here. > I've been looking on the net, but couldn't find a definitive answer. If you are really interested, read this article: http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2007/10/mac-os-x-10-5.ars/6 Quote: “Apple has [with Leopard] gone 64-bit across the board, with two major exceptions. The first is the kernel itself, which remains 32-bit in order to maintain compatibility with existing drivers. …” Some more links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Leopard http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/09/04/road_to_snow_leopard_twice_the_ram_half_the_price_64_bits.html > I was told that only 10.6+ is 64-bit. True, when including the kernel. Snow Leopard can boot into a 64-bit kernel also on desktop computers and laptops, when you hold down the keys “6” and “4” but the default kernel is still 32-bit. This is due to compatibility to existing applications. Kernel extensions (.kext) will only work with the right kernel, so 32-bit extensions require a 32-bit kernel. A lot of desktop applications require specific kernel extensions in order to function. Snow Leopards defaults to the 64-bit kernel on servers, since extensions are not so importaint there, but memory is! > If this is true is there an alternative OS that will run at 64-bit on the PPC G5? The only operating system I can come up with is Linux. There may be others though, like commercial Unices like AIX or so, but I'm not sure if they even run on a Power Mac. AmigaOS/MorphOS is also a PowerPC operating system, but I don't think it's 64-bit. Note that Linux has the same problem Mac OS X has when running a 64-bit kernel: extensions (Linux: kernel modules) will only run on the right kernel. For GUI applications 32-bit programs will require a 32-bit version library. So if your system is all 64-bit, you may not be able to run 32-bit programs at all. Of course, this is not so much of a real problem under Linux, since most applications are open source software anyway (and therefor 64-bit versions are possible with an estimated 99% of all open source software). > Not that I would install it, I was just curious if there was one. I had Gentoo Linux running on my Power Mac G5 “Late 2005” with its 16 GB of DDR2 memory. It was great, only that Linux support sucks on the G5. This is true for both 32-bit and 64-bit, since this doesn't make that much of a difference with Gentoo Linux anyway. Okay, it doesn't suck, but there are some bits and pieces that aren't supported or that just don't work yet. The biggest problem is support for the graphics card. Most Linux drivers (like the X11 graphics drivers radeon for ATI cards and nv/nouveau for nVidia cards) require a PC compatible BIOS from the graphics card, which is not present in Power Mac versions of these cards, since they are made to work on Open Firmware instead of a PC compatible BIOS. Another is that closed source Linux applications –like Adobe Reader, Skype, Flash Player to name just a few– don't work on PowerPC. They are only available for Linux/x86 and sometimes (like Flash), but not always, for amd64 (the 64-bit version of x86). Some minor bits of hardware is not (yet) supported, like the ECC memory/EDAC driver for the CPC945 chipset of the “Late 2005” G5 (PowerPC 970MP). > Thanks! Welcome! I hope that helped. Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Sort of Off Topic... SeaMonkey on G4 Gigabit
This question is regarding a certain newsgroup, (I subscribe to Giganews), that I can no longer connect to. I know that the group is still alive as you can pick it up on google but that really sucks. I subscribe to twelve groups, (including this one), and have no problems with any of the others. BTW, Giganews tech support states that there is no problem on their end and I'm sure that they're right. Anyway, back in the old days when this happened, simply unsubscribing and resubscribing usually fixed the problem. But that was in the "good old OS 9" days. Any suggestions? JT (Who misses stirring the pot in austin.general) Moms Asked to Return to School Grant Funding May Be Available to Those That Qualify. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4cb9ca3b15b132b12f5st04vuc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 64-bit question
On Oct 16, 12:29 am, Joshua Juran wrote: > > What do you mean by 64-bit? > > If there's nothing specific that you're trying to accomplish, and > you're just curious... then sure, Leopard is 64-bit, according to > Apple's marketing at the time. :-) Meaning that Leopard had some modules working 64-bit, maybe 20% or so. Snow Leopard has more modules working 64-bit, maybe 80% or so. But when do we get to 100% in OS X, maybe next week on Wednesday, we'll know. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers
On Oct 15, 2010, at 9:46 PM, Powermac wrote: Is there a difference on the motherboards on the single and dual G4 Quicksilvers? Can you go from single to dual or the other way with no problems? No difference. Dual processor support was added for real, and for good somewhere in the gigabit ethernet series. The capability to support dual processors is in the Grand Central LSI chip, which is not on the processor card but is on the back of the motherboard. Currently I have a QS2002 single G4-800 with no L3 cache that is about half as slow as my QS2001 with a Sonnet single G4-1.25ghz with 2MB L3. So I was thinking of getting a dual G4 chip and installing it into the QS2002. You will need at least the dual 1.0 G4 plus its heat sink (a single G4 heat sink cannot be mounted on a dual G4 processor) plus its cooler (if you don't already have a cooler). The heat sink clips are identical. If buying a third party solution, all of those items mentioned should be included in the third party package. A dual processor card may be added to a QS 2001 or a DA, and all you lose (over the QS 2002) is the capability to address large drives, but which capability may be added quite easily using the LBA48 property patch. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers
On 10/15/10 11:46 PM, Powermac wrote: Is there a difference on the motherboards on the single and dual G4 Quicksilvers? Can you go from single to dual or the other way with no problems? Currently I have a QS2002 single G4-800 with no L3 cache that is about half as slow as my QS2001 with a Sonnet single G4-1.25ghz with 2MB L3. So I was thinking of getting a dual G4 chip and installing it into the QS2002. There should be a discussion about swapping processors in the list archives. It was in the last year or so. Try a search at the web interface. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Differences between single and dual G4 Quicksilvers
The motherboards are the same. You can put a dual on a motherboard that came with a single and it will work just fine. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
