Re: Where's the trash?
On 1/3/11 9:04 PM, Dan wrote: At 12:07 AM -0500 1/4/2011, Yersinia wrote: On 1/3/11 10:26 PM, Dan wrote: At 6:52 PM -0800 1/3/2011, Jeffrey Daile Engle wrote: I want to know where the Folder is that holds the trash? is there such thing? And what are you plotting to do to them? In your home folder, there's ~/.Trash and up at the root level of the volume is /.Trashes Because the names start with a dot, they're automagically invisible to Finder. If they're invisible, how do you know they're there? You spray them with anti-invisible spray! dans-quicksilver:~ dan$ ls -al drwx-- 6 dan dan 204 Jan 3 22:18 .Trash dans-quicksilver:~ dan$ ls -al / d-wx-wx-wt 2 root admin 68 Aug 21 2008 .Trashes You can view their contents with ls commands in Terminal. Or from Finder, you can directly open the folders. - Dan. If you really, really, really need to see all the hidden files and folders in the finder, you can pull the old programmer's trick. Enter these two lines as admin in the console, but be aware the last will restart the finder: defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles TRUE killall Finder More details are on these two webpages: http://nixtechnica.blogspot.com/2007/05/mac-os-x-show-hidden-files-and-folders.html http://www.mactricksandtips.com/2008/04/show-hidden-files.html But I'm not really sure that you'll want to litter your desktop like that! Stephen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Where's the trash?
On 03/01/11 8:26 PM, Dan wrote: And what are you plotting to do to them? In your home folder, there's ~/.Trash and up at the root level of the volume is /.Trashes Because the names start with a dot, they're automagically invisible to Finder I would like to delete them as no combination of commands can empty my trash can. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 'Greyed' screen
At 11:54 PM -0500 1/3/2011, Bill Connelly wrote: On Jan 3, 2011, at 10:22 PM, peter wrote: It's just the windows, text, certain icons at the top of the screen (Growl, Is Growl trying to tell you something is happening in the background? Incoming call or something? Not sure how Growl works, although I have it loaded but turned off. Growl is a simple notification system; a small background application and a preferences pane. The icon in the menu bar is totally unnecessary; it can be turned off. When an app growls, Growl displays a small alert on the screen, containing the message from the app, in the style you've selected. If multiple notifications arrive quickly, then Growl tiles them down your screen. (you can easily make them all go away by opt-clicking one). That's all it does. It does nothing that would account for a whole screen going gray. At 1:08 AM -0500 1/4/2011, PETER WARNER wrote: Famous Last Word... As per Alex, I checked Console, and there were a bunch of errors fro Growl But you don't want to disclose them? It would help if you showed us the actual error message involved! What else is there? What else do you have running on your Mac? Have you changed any of the transparency settings? and it seems a Growl like action, to reduce most of the screen while showing an alert. I stopped Growl, and Growl Mail, and restarted. Logging out, and back in did not work, it had to be a full restart. Perhaps I'll avoid the Growl in the future... Growl does NOT gray out the whole screen, ever. Growl is run as a USER process. Logging out kills the processes - no reboot needed. If you needed to reboot to clear things then *something else* is doing this. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Where's the trash?
On 03/01/11 11:04 PM, Dan wrote: You spray them with anti-invisible spray! dans-quicksilver:~ dan$ ls -al drwx--6 dan dan 204 Jan 3 22:18 .Trash dans-quicksilver:~ dan$ ls -al / d-wx-wx-wt2 root admin 68 Aug 21 2008 .Trashes You can view their contents with ls commands in Terminal. Or from Finder, you can directly open the folders. Dan, if you have some of that spray, I will buy a couple, assuming I can use it on other things as well. Anyway, what's the safe way, if there's, to delete those two files or folders, you gave directions to earlier? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Where's the trash?
At 8:10 AM -0700 1/4/2011, Nestamicky wrote: On 03/01/11 8:26 PM, Dan wrote: And what are you plotting to do to them? I would like to delete them as no combination of commands can empty my trash can. Hold down the option key while selecting Empty Trash from the menu. If that doesn't work - what error are you getting? Run Disk Utility and do a verify pass... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
On 03/01/11 10:16 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Yes it DOES have to do with the video card. 10.4 offloads a bunch of processing to the video GPU if possible (and it's not just Core Video stuff). Was this an error on Apple's side. Was it fixed in 10.5. Why would they do this? Could this explain similar problems I have on my Sawtooth with 10.4 and a good video card. Lots of questions, some of which are just thoughts. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
On 03/01/11 10:52 AM, John Carmonne wrote: Streaming video is MUCH more CPU intensive than DVD playback. (This was covered in exhaustive detail on this list a month or so back), so anything that can be moved to the much-faster GPU really makes a difference. John, What Bruce is really saying here is this: no one in this group, or perhaps, anywhere can find a way to sort out the problem with online videos on G4s such as yours and the Sawtooth. He has said though something new; that this problem is partly a cause of how 10.4 was written. That's very new and adds valuable insight to this common problem. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Where's the trash?
On Jan 4, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Nestamicky wrote: On 03/01/11 8:26 PM, Dan wrote: And what are you plotting to do to them? In your home folder, there's ~/.Trash and up at the root level of the volume is /.Trashes Because the names start with a dot, they're automagically invisible to Finder I would like to delete them as no combination of commands can empty my trash can. Hope this doesn't confuse the issues at hand ... but can't you look at / locate the invisible files via Finder Go Go to Folder ... I wouldn't recommend doing anything to them though, if that is then possible ... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
On Jan 4, 2011, at 8:56 AM, Nestamicky wrote: On 03/01/11 10:16 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Yes it DOES have to do with the video card. 10.4 offloads a bunch of processing to the video GPU if possible (and it's not just Core Video stuff). Was this an error on Apple's side. ?? No this was a conscious design decision in 10.4 on the part of Apple, part of the really bug 'under-the-hood' improvements in 10.4. See John Siracusa's in depth review of 10.4: http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2005/04/macosx-10-4.ars/ the whole discussion of Quartz starting at page 13 is what I'm referring to. Was it fixed in 10.5. No, it was significantly enhanced in 10.5. OSX offloads much more processing onto the video card, the Core Video, Core image technologies are much improved. Why would they do this? Because Video card GPU's are VASTLY faster at these sorts of calculations than the CPU in the Mac. Could this explain similar problems I have on my Sawtooth with 10.4 and a good video card. Lots of questions, some of which are just thoughts. Possibly. More likely, however, is that the streaming videos we get today are simply bigger...most are now HD using very processor-dependent codecs. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
On Jan 3, 11:16 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Yes it DOES have to do with the video card. 10.4 offloads a bunch of processing to the video GPU if possible (and it's not just Core Video stuff). Streaming video is MUCH more CPU intensive than DVD playback. (This was covered in exhaustive detail on this list a month or so back), so anything that can be moved to the much-faster GPU really makes a difference. Also a Geforce 6200 is a much newer card than a GeForce3, iirc. Interesting. I thought the reason that VLC handles video playback on older Macs (this is true, right?) was that it offloaded a lot of video processing to the video card, whereas iTunes/Quicktime did not. Have I been misinformed? Eric -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 'Greyed' screen
If you needed to reboot to clear things then *something else* is doing this. - Dan. OK Dan, When I get home I will go back into console to find the errors, but the only other things I saw were some droped frame errors from VLC earier in the day. I did have VLC, Mail, EyeTV Light, Remote Buddy, and Firefox running (and Growl/Growl Mail) I had Dashboard off. I don't always have to reboot to get it to go away. there have been times when, after ten min. it goes away on it's own. The icon in the menu bar is totally unnecessary; it can be turned off. I only mentioned the icon because most of the menu bar icons turned grey, and that was among the ones that did not. Growl does NOT gray out the whole screen, ever. I thought it might have had to do with the profile settings in Growl, I know different ones look very different, and that perhaps they could do more than the regular notification under certian conditions? Any other ideas about what it could be? Again, I don't see any difference in performance. It's more of an agervation. Peter -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
OS9 on MDD; Two Wanted Components Remain
There are two things I'd like to make booting OS 9 on my MDDs really usable, but I'm not even sure if they exist. The first is a utility to open and close the optical drive trays. The second is a utility or extension to control the fan speed. This need not be user control, automated control of the type that works under OSX would be fine. The issue is that the fan seems to go to maximum speed when the system is booted up under OS9. Anyone know of such utilities for the MDD under OS9? Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
On Jan 2, 1:24 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: I seem to have run into a bottle neck on my Cube 1.2GHz 1.5 GB RAM in that I can't get aYouTubeto play smooth and iChat is out of sync on the sound along with very jumpy video. My G4 MDD 1.25 is 100 % better than the Cube. Can this be a Bus speed issue the Cube is 100 and the MDD is 167. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP As an additional note, if you right click on a Flash video (or animation), Settings... is one of the options. If you click on Settings, then go to the Display tab (looks like a flat screen monitor) there is an Enable Hardware Acceleration checkbox. In my case, it was off by default. Turning this on didn't seem to help playback on my G5, but I was wondering if it helped anyone else. Eric -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sudden power loss in G5
Thanks for all the suggestions. No smell or sign of coolant leaks. The machine has a Sonnet SATA add on hard drive expansion bay for up to three more drives. I had two additional drives installed. I have copied the files and removed one of the drives and the computer has not shut down since. The original owner used the box as a server and told me the power supply could not support five drives (failed to startup), maybe it can't support four now? I am cautiously optimistic. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
At 8:52 AM -0800 1/4/2011, imrazor wrote: Interesting. I thought the reason that VLC handles video playback on older Macs (this is true, right?) was that it offloaded a lot of video processing to the video card, whereas iTunes/Quicktime did not. Have I been misinformed? VLC does NOT use the GPU for video decoding on the Mac. Since OS X 10.6.3 includes a new API for accessing the GPUs, support in VLC may be added in the future. In general, VLC is so successful at what it does because it is extremely well written. Imagine how powerful QuickTime could be if it was as well done! ...Case in point, since you mentioned iTunes... It is pitiful that an app such as Audion can play streamed radio using less than 5% of a 200 MHz CPU but iTunes on the same computer uses over 20%! I think there are some misconceptions as to what does what... Video data is encoded / compressed in some way. The player must read that data, decompress it, decode it (turn it into usable frames), render the frames into video data, then display it on your screen - umpteen times per second. ...It is only those decompress and decode functions that are included in the codec module. The question is which of those steps is performed where? Normally, everything from render on is done on the video card, in its GPU. The codec - the software module that does the decompression and decoding - can also benefit from doing things in the GPU. But to do so, it needs to know how that particular GPU works, and what special features it has available (eg: MPEG-2 and more recently MPEG-4 H.264 decoding). Apple tries to make this easy(ier) to do by providing things like the OpenGL and QuickTime frameworks and providing APIs into Quartz. Still up to the codec's author to take advantage of them tho. But wait -- let's make it more complicated! LOL What if the video player supports filtering and such, as VLC does? Well, then you give the GPU the data to crunch, *then take it back*, apply those filters and such using the main CPU, then pass the data off to the GPU *again* for rendering and display. ew. A good example of a codec author failure is, of course, Adobe's Flash. Instead of cleaning up their own code and taking advantage of the great tools that Apple provides, they spent millions on a b*tchfest about Apple refusing to give them direct access to the hardware. Another example is the development of the name brand DivX codec. Why is it so abysmally slow and unstable, while Perian runs circles around it LOL At 10:16 AM -0700 1/3/2011, Bruce Johnson wrote: Streaming video is MUCH more CPU intensive than DVD playback. To elaborate a bit... DVD-Video is low-compression MPEG-2. Easy to play, even on a very slow machine. Streamed video is highly compressed Flash or MPEG-4 H.264. Very CPU intensive to decompress and decode -- and that's before the GPU involvement (if any). Now, to get back to the OP's problem... There is something going on BEYOND bus and processor speed and all that total guesswork hand-waving. On my 300 MHz Smurf, I can view YouTube video *smoothly* with fmt=5 added to the urls. If my *G3* Smurf can do that, then his *G4* Cube can certainly do it. But he says not. So there is something else happening. (waiting for specific answers to the questioned I posted on 1/3). - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 'Greyed' screen
At 9:21 AM -0800 1/4/2011, peter wrote: Any other ideas about what it could be? Again, I don't see any difference in performance. It's more of an agervation. Very strange! Um... Reseat the video card. Then disconnect, clean, reseat the video cable. Also check power - make sure nothing is fluctuation, everything is properly surge protected etc. Check energy and screen saver settings. Graying the whole screen... I've seen apps like VLC get stuck half way when switching to full screen mode. But that usually clears when the resource (usually memory) becomes available. Next time it happens, please immediately hit shift-cmd-3 to get a screen shot. Zip it, and both your current system.log and console.log and email 'the archive directly to me. I'll take a look... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 dual boot flat screen iMac won't boot into OS 9
To make this easier, I am going to reply to each of you in this one email. The problem: I have a G4 flat screen iMac (the kind with the half ball on the bottom) that is supposed to boot into OS 9 and X. I am running 10.4.11. I tried booting into 9 and it won't do it. Classic will run OK, though. Somehow it is screwed up somewhere. I need to boot up in 9 to retrieve some stuff off of a floppy disk. I have the the original disks that came with the iMac and also the Tiger install Cds. How do fix this so I can boot up in 9 and not break anything else??? Jane -- To boot into OS 9 I believe that it must have had OS 9 drivers installed on the hard drive when the drive was set up. If you go to the Start Up Disk in System Preferences, do you see OS 9 listed? Ken Ken, the OS 9 drivers are there and I have started up in 9 before. But it will NOT start up in 9 now. I even had to run Disk Warrior to get it back to boot in 10.4. Everything else is working just fine. --- Have you tried to boot by selecting the OS9 folder in Start Up disk in system preferences while running Tiger? John Carmonne Yes, John, I have. -- What model G4 iMac is it? Also what is the HDD size? John Carmonne Model: G4 PowerMac 4,5 PowerPC G4 (2.1) It has an 80 gig hard drive and almost 30 gigs are free. --- On Jan 2, 10:01 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jan 2, 2011, at 11:01 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote: I need to boot up in 9 to retrieve some stuff off of a floppy disk. This makes no sense. There is no floppy disc drive in any G4 iMac, and any external USB floppy disc drive works in OS X, not OS 9. This means you don't need to boot OS 9 to get the data you want, you simply must install the correct software for your external USB floppy drive and read the disc(s) from within OS X. I am using a LaCie USB external floppy drive that I have used on this computer before. I just now hooked up the floppy drive and put in the disk. The green light came on, it made noises like it should, then the green light went off. Nothing showed up on the desk top while it was in Tiger 10.4.11. Then I started OS 9 from the desk top and still nothing showed up. These floppies are commercial (OLD 1994) with graphics on them. I just thought that if I booted up in 9, I could open the floppies and drag the graphics to my iMac. I don't think it came with a driver. Or if it did, I don't know where it would be. Where do I look on my hard drive to see if the driver is there? Jane -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New internal hard drive for Power Mac G4
An update: The hard drive noise that gave rise to this thread turned out to be the fan after all. (Took my own advice, though rather backwardly, and turned on the computer with no HDs connected.) The fan near the hard drives, not the power supply fan - I think. It can be easily replaced, looks like. I'm less sure about replacing the power supply fan myself, in the event that's what it is. Evidently, there were G4s (such as certain Sawtooths) infamous as Windtunnel G4s (source: Wikipedia) because of noisy fans. I didn't know. The question is, noisy how? My old Gig-E had a rather loud fan, but that was white noise, unobtrusive and easily blocked out. The new Sawtooth noise is a faintly metallic, slightly buzzing, wavering, constant hum. A colony of agitated bees in the computer. Not so loud, but very annoying. Worse still, after the computer's been on for an extended time, the noise gets worse, sounding very much to my ears exactly like a slipping and struggling hard drive! (Still no odd system behavior I can trace to a HD.) That new development, not noticed at first, prompted me to hurry to install the new HD after I'd had it for a couple days but was still in wait and see mode (and prepared as I could be in terms of backup) about the old HDs. No regrets about installing a new, larger HD, and if the old ones are still all right, so much the better. I've learned a lot (much of it here) and been inspired to think of certain upgrades to this old Mac as opposed to just holding on until I can afford a new one. I can only hope that the fan problem is *just* a fan problem, not evidence of more underlying it and not something that's going to cause new problems before I can replace the fan. I'll have to open the computer when the bad noise starts and check on it (and also, outside, feel for air flow from the power supply fan). So far it appears that the fan is functional, just noisy. Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Digest for g3-5-list@googlegroups.com - 2 Messages in 2 Topics
Dan, I have signed up for the Mac Pro group and received the google group email. However, I have not received any Mac Pro emails. I'm moving from this list (g3-5) to the Mac Pro and have some questions but don't know how to get into the group. Would love some help! or anyone else . . . In case this goes directly through: my lovely 22 Mac Cinemas screen needs a ADC to div connector for the Mac Pro. I'm thinking that I might can get a monitor for under $200 instead of paying $100 for the connector. But I'm very nervous about buying some other 22 monitor. Any recommendations? thanks, -- Joan Duncan, ASID Creatrix LLC Interior Architecture Design (o) 575.751.3030 (c) 575.770.4252 (f) 575.751.3434 www.acreatrix.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Digest for g3-5-list@googlegroups.com - 2 Messages in 2 Topics
On Jan 4, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Joan Duncan wrote: my lovely 22 Mac Cinemas screen needs a ADC to div connector for the Mac Pro. I'm thinking that I might can get a monitor for under $200 instead of paying $100 for the connector. But I'm very nervous about buying some other 22 monitor. Any recommendations? VueScan makes good monitors; HP's better quality monitors are pretty nice, as are Dells (Dell has historically used the same guts for their 30 monitors that Apple did, and often sold for less) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New internal hard drive for Power Mac G4
On Jan 4, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Sean Carroll wrote: Evidently, there were G4s (such as certain Sawtooths) infamous as Windtunnel G4s (source: Wikipedia) because of noisy fans. I didn't know. The question is, noisy how? The 'Wind Tunnel' G4's were very early Mirror Drive Door models, and the fans were REALLY loud, Apple instituted a free power supply/fan replacement program along with a firmware update that tamed the noise. This did NOT apply to any other model. There were very few of these systems actually released to the public before the fix was initiated; and the publicity and Apples quick response (uncharacteristically quick) meant that an unmodified loud one is quite rare. (and getting rarer along with all the G4 models) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sudden power loss in G5
On Jan 3, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Leo Hoyt wrote: I have a dual 2.7 Ghz PPC G5 w/ 4.5 GB ram. The machine recently started powering off without warning. Is this signs of a power supply failing? If so how hard are the power supplies to replace in these towers? Thanks for the help. Leo The Powersupply can be replaeced by remvoving the CPU not too hard but be very careful of alignment removing it and replacing it. I can send you instructions OFF-LIST if you need it. Check the inside floor for any dampness it can be a leaking heat sink and when a processor over heats the Dual 2.7's shut down. In my experience a power supply works or doesn't work. You can unplug all the connectors and clean. Also make sure system profiler is actually reporting the 4.5 GB's of RAM. The RAM must be installed in pairs. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 867 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
On Jan 3, 2011, at 6:28 AM, Dan wrote: At 1:48 PM -0800 1/2/2011, John Carmonne wrote: 3 GB's per second Time Warner RoadRunner turbo Talladega Fast Run some traceroutes to the destination, to make sure there isn't a problem between you. This is not happening when using the G4 MDD, G5 Dual 2.7 or MacBook Pro on the same network. Ok. Run Activity Monitor and watch the paging and i/o rates. I have no idea what this is. If I have to be on iChat to check this it's hard to get anyone to stay up long enough.:-) Do YouTube vids clean up if you add fmt=5 to the end of the url? No the same deal. DVD's play perfect. The iChat and Skype is all I'm bothered with. DVDs playing fine means that your CPU, GPU, memory bus speed, and disk i/o speed are fine. Can you play streamed videos from sites such as hulu? No HuLu is a disaster Again - try Yahoo! Messenger's video. I suggest this because if it works ok then the problem is not your basic network connectivity etc. I don't know how to use Yahoo that's why I have iChat and Skype It's for the layamn. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Where's the trash?
On Jan 3, 2011, at 10:04 PM, Dan wrote: At 12:07 AM -0500 1/4/2011, Yersinia wrote: On 1/3/11 10:26 PM, Dan wrote: At 6:52 PM -0800 1/3/2011, Jeffrey Daile Engle wrote: I want to know where the Folder is that holds the trash? is there such thing? If you have Time Machine just open the trash folder and then open Time Machine and you can recover deleted trash that way.:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Newer Technology MaxPower processor upgrade
has anyone tried one of these upgrades? the 7447A or 7448? i have a Sawtooth G4 that i'd like to use for Photoshop CS5. i know it won't be blazing fast with either of these upgrades. does anyone have experience with either of these? the company's web site shows comparative speed data between each processor and the native G4 processor, but there is no data showing a comparison between the 7447A and the 7448. thanks ken -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New G4 user - many questions
* The DVD burner drive I installed, an IBM-branded Hitachi HL_DT_ST G10N, is recognized only as a CD reader. It won't burn DVDs and blank DVDs are simply ejected. I don't know anything about locating Mac drivers or if that is even necessary. I want to burn some DMGs or audio CDs from here. I've found that Roxio Toast 7 Titanium is supported on 10.3, can this tool burn DVDs even where OS X can't recognize the drive? i am getting a Sawtooth G4 up and running. it only had a dvd/cd reader in it. i rebuild old PC's so i have a stock of dvd writers in the basement. i had go thru 3 or 4 different readers to find one that would recognize DVD's or CD's during boot (for installing software) AND burn DVD's. * Wireless - this has no Airport card in the little Airport card slot. I have no idea how to go about finding a solution for this and, probably, won't bother. I would imagine the expense would be pretty high for a compatible card. there is a seller on ebay that has several original (802.11b) apple airport cards for sale. http://cgi.ebay.com/802-11b-WiFi-Wireless-Card-Airport-PowerMac-G4-iBook-G3-/250675292969?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3a5d696b29 That's a lot of issues and I haven't even gotten to installing the software I want to use. In fact I've been thinking about this project on a grander scale and I am wondering if even my Step 1 was a bad choice, and I should have gone with either 9.2 (and really outdated hardware) or 10.4 (though the system requirements seem steep). I would be willing to go 10.4 if I knew that this hardware would run it faster than 10.3. Otherwise I don't want to bother. This is one of those set it up and let it sit installations, I want everything perfected the first time so I don't have to get in and mess around with things later. as with your machine, this one had never had its firmware updated. i installed an old, small HD and installed OS9.1. rather than get it running on ethernet, i downloaded the firmware update to a usb drive then transferred it to the G4. it ran and updated successfully. you didn't mention it specifically, but as for upgrading to leopard: i agree with others that it is slower than tiger, but if you want to install it in order to take advantage of any of leopard's features (eg, time machine), first, install a DVD reader that will recognize a bootable disk when you boot while holding the option key. then you can use LeopardAssist to fake out the macine during boot that it has a fast enough processor to allow the leopard installation. good luck! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS9 on MDD; Two Wanted Components Remain
Assuming you've already installed the 4.4.8 firmware update? http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1179?viewlocale=en_US It says it offers The Power Mac G4 Firmware Update 4.4.8 improves fan control behavior and reduces high speed fan cycling when running in Mac OS 9. You can apparently also get it through Software Update when running OS 9. On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 11:25 AM, t...@io.com t...@io.com wrote: There are two things I'd like to make booting OS 9 on my MDDs really usable, but I'm not even sure if they exist. The first is a utility to open and close the optical drive trays. The second is a utility or extension to control the fan speed. This need not be user control, automated control of the type that works under OSX would be fine. The issue is that the fan seems to go to maximum speed when the system is booted up under OS9. Anyone know of such utilities for the MDD under OS9? Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sudden power loss in G5
On Jan 4, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Leo Hoyt wrote: Thanks for all the suggestions. No smell or sign of coolant leaks. The machine has a Sonnet SATA add on hard drive expansion bay for up to three more drives. I had two additional drives installed. I have copied the files and removed one of the drives and the computer has not shut down since. The original owner used the box as a server and told me the power supply could not support five drives (failed to startup), maybe it can't support four now? I am cautiously optimistic. I'm wondering about the drive support. I have 5 2TB drives and 1 eSATA 2TB drive in My G5 Dual 2.7 and no shut down trouble. I would reseat every connector I can find in the machine. Sometimes a badly seated video card can give you fits. Also an ambeient temp sensor. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 867 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iChat and YouTube on a G4 Cube
On Jan 4, 2011, at 10:18 AM, Dan wrote: To elaborate a bit... DVD-Video is low-compression MPEG-2. Easy to play, even on a very slow machine. Streamed video is highly compressed Flash or MPEG-4 H.264. Very CPU intensive to decompress and decode -- and that's before the GPU involvement (if any). Now, to get back to the OP's problem... There is something going on BEYOND bus and processor speed and all that total guesswork hand- waving. On my 300 MHz Smurf, I can view YouTube video *smoothly* with fmt=5 added to the urls. If my *G3* Smurf can do that, then his *G4* Cube can certainly do it. But he says not. So there is something else happening. (waiting for specific answers to the questioned I posted on 1/3). - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. I may not be correctly adding the fmt=5 to the url. can you explain how to do that. when I start the YouTube I add the code to the end of the url but I get no change on the Cube or my TiBooks. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 867 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New G4 user - many questions
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jan 2, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Greg Kennedy wrote: After some more time of thinking about it, I'm considering going with a really crazy solution and using 9.2.3 on the machine + Logic 6.4.3 + Pro Tools Free (if I can find it) + Finale 2003. Way outdated software but it's more than enough for our needs, and won't require any more hardware to be purchased (SB Live has OS9 drivers from what I understand, 640mb RAM should be enough too) Does OS 9, or any of the three tools I mentioned, support both processors in the dual 533 G4? If not I'll definitely go Tiger. That machine will run OS 9.2.2 in fine fashion, very fast. however you may need a special ROM to boot OS9 on that PowerMac G4. Thanks for all the tips everyone. I have another question about graphics cards. First, my progress: * Formatted, installed 9.2.1, upgraded to 9.2.2. Managed to complete the firmware upgrade to 4.2.8 (yay!). * Discovered that the SB Live 1.1 drivers will not work for me. I don't know why, but after installation it complains that the drivers were not installed properly and to try again. It could be that my card is not supported and the error message is just confusing. I tried searching for the 1.0rc1 drivers instead, hoping to install those first and then try a 1.1 upgrade, but I couldn't find them anywhere. * Also discovered that the Midisport Uno that I have is not OS9 compatible. http://forums.m-audio.com/archive/index.php/t-1985.html Okay so 9.2.2 is not going to work. About to install 10.4 Tiger from scratch instead, and simply hope for eventual recording support from the Kx Drivers project. I had a question about the graphics card. This is a Geforce 2 MX with 32MB of RAM. I have in the garage a Geforce 3 of some sort, which I think would benefit Tiger thanks to the higher speeds and more RAM. Can I drop this card in the AGP slot, or is it unlikely to work? I know there is something or other about changing firmware on a video card to make it Mac-compatible but I don't know anything about that. -Greg -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Digest for g3-5-list@googlegroups.com - 2 Messages in 2 Topics
On Jan 4, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 4, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Joan Duncan wrote: my lovely 22 Mac Cinemas screen needs a ADC to div connector for the Mac Pro. I'm thinking that I might can get a monitor for under $200 instead of paying $100 for the connector. But I'm very nervous about buying some other 22 monitor. Any recommendations? VueScan makes good monitors; HP's better quality monitors are pretty nice, as are Dells (Dell has historically used the same guts for their 30 monitors that Apple did, and often sold for less) If you can find a VIZIO 26 you'll be pleasantly satisfied with style and function. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
importing browsing history in safari?
hey all, - after some HD craziness, i purged all safari files from the library and did a clean install of safari 4.1.3 (under X.4.11), and i was able to import all of my bookmarks from the old library files. but i can't find a way to import the old browsing history. anyone know of a way to do that? what exactly is the name of the file where the browsing history is stored? can i manually merge my recent history after the clean install with the old history from before the clean install? i hope someone can advise before i start wading thru all of the old deleted folders and files on my own. TFR and TIA for helpful replies. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Digest for g3-5-list@googlegroups.com - 2 Messages in 2 Topics
On Jan 4, 2011, at 4:53 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: VueScan makes good monitors; I meant Viewsonic... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Digest for g3-5-list@googlegroups.com - 2 Messages in 2 Topics
I love my adc 23 apple cinema display. Keep the adc. On Jan 4, 2011, at 6:45 PM, Joan Duncan jn...@q.com wrote: my lovely 22 Mac Cinemas screen needs a ADC to div connector for the Mac Pro. I'm thinking that I might can get a monitor for under $200 instead of paying $100 for the connector. But I'm very nervous about buying some other 22 monitor. Any recommendations? thanks, -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Newer Technology MaxPower processor upgrade
On Jan 4, 2011, at 8:03 AM, faithie999 wrote: has anyone tried one of these upgrades? the 7447A or 7448? i have a Sawtooth G4 that i'd like to use for Photoshop CS5. i know it won't be blazing fast with either of these upgrades. does anyone have experience with either of these? the company's web site shows comparative speed data between each processor and the native G4 processor, but there is no data showing a comparison between the 7447A and the 7448. thanks ken Ken, Here is a review: http://lowendmac.com/reviews/08rev/maxpower-1.8-ghz-single.html I also saw that newertech's page for the 7447a has the same tests that they do on the page where they have the more thorough comparison chart for the 7448 These are tough to find in stock any more, except at OWC where the 7448 dual 1.8 is $779.99. I sometimes wonder if their claims about the speed can be true, considering the fact that a new Mini has faster RAM, and a (supposedly) faster processor, etc... If it's all true, it would be great to say the heck with Intel, and go this route. I hope someone who has one speaks up :) Peter -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Newer Technology MaxPower processor upgrade
Adobe says that you need a Mac with an intel processor to run Photoshop CS5. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS9 on MDD; Two Wanted Components Remain
Greg Kennedy wrote: Assuming you've already installed the 4.4.8 firmware update? http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1179?viewlocale=en_US It says it offers The Power Mac G4 Firmware Update 4.4.8 improves fan control behavior and reduces high speed fan cycling when running in Mac OS 9. You can apparently also get it through Software Update when running OS 9. Ah, thank you. I will give that a try. If that works, that will just leave some way to open the optical drive doors under OS9. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Newer Technology MaxPower processor upgrade
These are tough to find in stock any more, except at OWC where the 7448 dual 1.8 is $779.99. I sometimes wonder if their claims about the speed can be true ... Right, and particularly so as Freescale has NOT been making any PPC chips for Macs which are faster than 1.4 GHz for years. Giga-Designs is at least a bit more forthcoming as it states its fast G4s are 1.4 GHz chips which are selected and are burned-in in their factory. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
