Re: Suggestions for repairing extents?

[Erik Hancock]

How do I check on the Smart status - I looked in the apple support library
and it doest say.

The issue I was having -when trying to open disk utility - the windows were
disappearing or freezing.  I did try booting and running off disks and drive
genius 2 was kicking out on the extents map error.

Not quite sure what to do other than to wipe and reinstall - but we are in
the process of moving and don't know the location of the system disks right
now.

Wondering if backing up and reinstalling on an erased disk is ok or if I
should just reinstall clean.

Alternatively is there a way to just rebuild the catalog?

Erik




> From: Kris Tilford 
> Reply-To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 02:19:30 -0500
> To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
> Subject: Re: Suggestions for repairing extents?
> 
> On Sep 11, 2010, at 10:10 PM, Erik Hancock wrote:
> 
>> Is there a possible way to repair or do I just need to wipe the disk
>> and
>> reinstall the system software?
> 
> You can boot your OS X install DVD and run Disk Utility from the disc.
> 
> Similarly, Drive Genius 2 will need to be run from an alternate boot
> system or Drive Genius 2 boot disc.
> 
> The traditional "gold standard" for OS X HD repair is Alsoft
> DiskWarrior.
> 
> If you run the best utilities you have access to and can't repair the
> HD, you'll need to attempt to backup your HD to an alternate HD and
> then wipe the original, reformat, and do a clean install. You need to
> be aware that HD file problems are often a precursor to HD failure.
> I'd look at the SMART report for this HD.
> 
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Suggestions for repairing extents?

[Erik Hancock]

I had one drive just die recently and now am having buggy performance in OS
X Leopard and it is crashing when ever I tried to access disk Utility.

Now using drive genius 2 and it says that there is an error in the extents
map.

Is there a possible way to repair or do I just need to wipe the disk and
reinstall the system software?

Thanks in Advance
Ehancock-at- concentric.net


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Re: Safari 4.0.5 memory leak?

[Erik Hancock]

I had this issue and reported it to the group Many weeks ago - My bloat was
up to 8 GB and killing my HD.  I was directed to Click to Flash and other
flash killers .  Safari crashes once in a while and then the bloat goes away
- as does closing and rebooting.  So I have not found a real solution.

Thanks
Erik


> From: Kris Tilford 
> Reply-To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:51:02 -0500
> To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
> Subject: Re: Safari 4.0.5 memory leak?
> 
> On Mar 15, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Dan wrote:
> 
>> Anyone seeing a memory leak in Safari - it's just growing and growing?


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17" inch hinge gap?

[Erik Hancock]

I just got a 17 ³ Powerbook 5,3  that has had the back hinge replaced ­ I
notice there is a substantial gap at the hinge side of the unit when the lid
is closed ­ wondering if anyone else who has this unit could let me know if
this is typical or is perhaps a bad hinge replacement.  Just worried about
pressures on the closed unit causing screen
deformations/discolorations/cracking etc.

Thanks

Erik hancock

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Re: Good simple graphics/art/publishing app?

[Erik Hancock]

I just love Pages which is part of the Iwork and is relatively cheap.

Excellent for graphic and text with a quick learning curve.

There are some other opensource programs but I love Pages.

Erik


> From: Meghrouni Vince 
> Reply-To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:10:52 -0800
> To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
> Subject: Good simple graphics/art/publishing app?
> 
> Needed:
> 
> An app with which to create/design flyers and posters in which images
> and text can be manipulated, that doesn't cost an arm and a  leg.  Not
> for for-hire professional graphics, but for small business promotion
> (musician/band).
> 
> Capability for CD disc, cover and insert art/graphics/text desirable
> but not necessary.  Main purpose:  to create/design flyers and   
> posters through manipulation of art, photos and text in an app/program/
> software.
> 
> Best would be somewhere between dumbest "template" biz models and
> learning-curve-intensive (and expensive) pro models.
> 
> Freeware, shareware preferred but paying for good honest useable and
> affordable value is just fine as well.
> 
> Hit me!
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Mac to Server Query

[Erik Hancock]

Wondering if it is possible to easily set up my G4 for access (secure and
reliable ) from the road?

I've got a G4 AGP with 1.5 Ghz clock that has been the hub of my wireless
network with - but I'm going to be travelling for extended trips and
wondering if I can set it up for access over the web - without having to
purchase the OSX server software (I assume this is more for web site
hosting).  

I'd like to mainly use to grab and store files from the road.

I know there is the mobile me  system but not interested.

Thanks
Erik


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Re: replacement

[Erik Hancock]

The OWC processor upgrade had a special pram and nvram update procedure  -
go to OWC and search for the card and procedure ­ may need to email/call
tech support 

I remember this being an issue when I had to replace my logic board and
could not find the right version from my 1.5 GHz sonnet.

I burned the file to a cd for ease of use in the future,

Erik



From: Norm 
Reply-To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:14:39 -0500
To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: re:replacement

My G4 gigabit has stopped working. I have an OWC 1000gz processor and 2
gigabytes of ram. Also an ATI 9800 mac pro video board. When it turns on the
power button does nothing. It will boot into open firmware. When I type
"reset nvram then reset all" it cycles back to open firmware. If I type
"boot" I get an immediate kernal panic. The power button does nothing. Have
to unplug and then replug. I have 3 hard drives and a firewire drive. I'm
hopping that all my files are intact. I assume I must replace the logic
board or the mac. Which G4 would allow me to plug in my hard drives? I'm
using OS 10.5.8 and would like to purchase an intel mac but find the price
prohibitive. Mac was running very well until about 4 days ago.
Update: I hold down the "T" key and now have a screen with a nuclear sign.
The re-set button now restarts the mac into open firmware. Again if I type
reset-nvram then reset-all the mac restarts in open firmware. If I type
"boot" it restarts but goes to a kernal panic. So I seem to have my ATI 9800
Mac pro working and parts of my main boars. I have 4 ram sticks which I have
tried one at a time.
Again, what should I do about replacing my Mac?
Norm 


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Re: PayPal: Yea or Nay?

[Erik Hancock]

Off topic but 

We were concerned with this ability of PayPal to lock an account for our
non-profit org so we use a separate account and then just transfer funds
in/out as needed - Paypal cannot lock that account so we don't worry and if
they lock the used account there is little affect on the orgs ability to pay
by check.  Small hassle for peace of mind.

Erik




> From: Dan 
> Reply-To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:45:33 -0500
> To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
> Subject: PayPal: Yea or Nay?
> 
> Dan Knight wrote in his recent Musings column:
>> PayPal: Yea or Nay?
>> In my case, that's three strikes for PayPal over eight years. It's
>> not a terrible track record, but PayPal's ability to stop you from
>> using the money in your account without warning is a good reason to
>> consider alternatives. Even if you don't stop using PayPal, you may
>> want to have a second option available before you run into an
>> unanticipated account lockout.
> 
> 
> I feel for yee Dan.  Paypal's policies and such can feel quite
> draconian when they slam you in the face.  But I gotta tell you -
> they're a walk in the park compared to they way traditional card
> processors handle small and medium sized businesses.  You ain't lived
> until one of those has a death grip on your bank account and
> credit rating, and it takes a judge's signature to even begin to
> fix it.  And then, when all is said and done, you're totally
> responsible for both your and their legal fees - it's in the contract!
> 
> A few points:
> 
> Lockin down your account when they recognized the hijack...  You're
> very lucky they noticed.  Banks and "regular" processors provide $
> recovery IF you pay for that service. ( It's a PR thing for
> residential customers ).  Other than that, recovering the $3k is your
> responsibility - that's why things like business insurances and tax
> deductions exist.
> 
> Monday's lockdown...  Not sure what the deal is there with the cell
> phone.  I've had no problem there.  Have you actually called them?
> 
> The PRAM batteries...  What?  You didn't use LEM Swap?!   humph.
> 
> Paypal, btw, did not remove the funds from your account.  That first
> transaction, that expired, was simply a "hold".  That's how credit
> transactions work.  First you do a hold.  Then, some time later, you
> confirm the transaction in your close-out batch, which causes the
> funds to be queued for transfer.  "Queued" = they'll do it eventually
> when their up-steam close out is done.  The problem is that a lot of
> companies are lame about closing things out.  They end up letting the
> hold expire, or re-doing it instead of referencing the original one.
> It's a bad business practice that the likes of Amazon do all the
> time.  Nothing Paypal can do about it normally; these are processing
> steps they're under contract to perform, by the likes of Visa and MC.
> If you have a  big hold, that's crippling your account, you can call
> them.  They'll often manually release it.
> 
> The fax requirement is a PITA.  But that's our legal system -
> doubtful Paypal can do anything there.
> 
> Careful of them other services.  Paypal has gone to great
> lengths/expense to become licensed all over the world - and thus
> subject to their regulations and laws.  Few of those other's have.
> 
> Are we having fun yet?
> 
> Wait until you see the new/higher fees that Visa and MC are hitting
> processors with this quarter!  Not sure if Paypal or any other
> processor will simply absorb them... :\
> 
> FWIW,
> - Dan.
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Re: Safari Using up Disc Space

[Erik Hancock]

300 Mb (bytes) was free space avail on disk - info from in finder windows
and activity monitor - After clean up went to 8+ GB - Installed flash
blocker and reopened all windows and it is at 7.7 GB right now.  So yeah I
had over 8 Gb in disc cache - that seems unusual.

Yes the system is 10.4.X fully updated - was just shorthanding to
distinguish from 10.5 and 10.6.  Not sure if there is any difference in how
they work on this particular point.

Act monitor is on 2 sec calcs - so not really spiking - just seems to be all
those damn flash ads running in the background of non active pages.

Thanks
Erik


> From: Dan 
> Reply-To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:44:39 -0500
> To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
> Subject: Re: Safari Using up Disc Space
> 
> At 12:01 AM -0500 12/25/2009, Erik Hancock wrote:
>> Was at 300Mb now at 6.58GB after shutting down browsers and
>> restarting.  That's quite a big cache  - will try to reopen sites
>> and shee what happens.
> 
> 300 Megabits?
> 
>  From where are you getting these numbers?
> 
>> In activity Monitor - about 102% of Cpu goes to the Browser -  not
>> sure how that happens.
> 
> Change it to update less often.  The usage calc when not averaged can
> include spikes.
> 
>> Left off the machine info since I thought that was extraneous.
> 
> The devil is always in the details.  Apps behave differently on
> different machines and OSen.
> 
>> G4 AGP/1.5GHz/ 2MB ram/OS 10.4/ Safari 4.04
> 
> Just 10.4?  Not fully updated?
> 
>> No real add-ons for safari -  Sometimes use Firefox with ad blocker.
>> Any other reccomendatiosn for add-ons?
> 
> I use ClickToFlash and SafariBlock.  The former puts Flash under
> control immediately. The latter an older/grumpy inputmanager, that
> will block any url you feed it.  It comes with a massive list, that I
> find slows things down, so I just have it use my own short custom
> list.
> 
>> I usually have 10 or so pages with multiple tabs.  I also tend to
>> leave the app open rather than closing and reloading frequently -
>> but it happens about one a week due to app freezing - now think it
>> is due to lack of HD space - which seems odd for this app to be
>> using so much space.
> 
> If you were dealing with just Safari, then leaving it running for
> such a long time would be fine.  But you're not.  There be Flash
> here.  And Flash - besides chewing memory and cpu even when
> supposedly "idle", has some serious memory leaks.  The only way to
> clear the leaks is to quit the browser now and then.
> 
> FWIW,
> - Dan.
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Re: Safari Using up Disc Space

[Erik Hancock]

Just Learned about Flash Block and will try it ­ that Adobe flash keeps
killing the Browsers as well -

Was at 300Mb now at 6.58GB after shutting down browsers and restarting.
That¹s quite a big cache  - will try to reopen sites and shee what happens.

In activity Monitor ­ about 102% of Cpu goes to the Browser -  not sure how
that happens.

Left off the machine info since I thought that was extraneous.  Have G4
AGP/1.5GHz/ 2MB ram/OS 10.4/ Safari 4.04
No real add-ons for safari -  Sometimes use Firefox with ad blocker.
Any other reccomendatiosn for add-ons?

I usually have 10 or so pages with multiple tabs.  I also tend to leave the
app open rather than closing and reloading frequently ­ but it happens about
one a week due to app freezing ­ now think it is due to lack of HD space ­
which seems odd for this app to be using so much space.

Thanks
Erik



From: Kasey Smith 
Reply-To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:14:11 -0700
To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: Safari Using up Disc Space

Have you tried FlashBlock?
On Dec 24, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Erik Hancock wrote:

>  Anyone having an issue with Safari consuming large volumes of HD space?
>  
>  I was given messages that I was out of HD space ­ in finder I was down to 300
> MB  but when I quit safari I found that I immediately had 3 GB then I was back
> to 5GB.
>  
>  I¹ll do a restart to clear the cache but running this from the pref menu had
> no effect.
>  
>  In the old days you could tell an app how much space to use.  Is there
> anything I can do ­ I don¹t do a lot of video but I¹ve seen comments on Flash
> bloat and wonder if all the stupid active ads and other junk is contributing.
>  
>  Any suggestions ­ I can clean up a few more GB but won¹t that just get
> gobbled up?
>  
>  Erik


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Safari Using up Disc Space

[Erik Hancock]

Anyone having an issue with Safari consuming large volumes of HD space?

I was given messages that I was out of HD space ­ in finder I was down to
300 MB  but when I quit safari I found that I immediately had 3 GB then I
was back to 5GB.

I¹ll do a restart to clear the cache but running this from the pref menu had
no effect.

In the old days you could tell an app how much space to use.  Is there
anything I can do ­ I don¹t do a lot of video but I¹ve seen comments on
Flash bloat and wonder if all the stupid active ads and other junk is
contributing.  

Any suggestions ­ I can clean up a few more GB but won¹t that just get
gobbled up?

Erik

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Mac G4 AGP -pci card issue

[Erik Hancock]

   I¹m having trouble with my Mac (AGP/G4 was 400MHz upgraded to 1.5 sonnet,
2 MB ram )   

Having trouble with it recognizing USB 2.0 cards in PCI slots.  Had tried a
2 port card and it would boot fine and notice the card but not recognize or
power the ports.  If anything was in the port it would hang on install,
Tried a new 4 port card and system suffered kernel panic at start up ­ had
to remove card and the system booted up fine ­ so not clear what is the
issue nor what else to try -   I had the 4 port card working fine in another
similar system with no issues.

(both cards are Iogear and work in other computers)

Any thoughts??

Thanks
Erik

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Re: G4 AGP with PCI USB 2.0

[Erik Hancock]

Currently I can start up with nothing attached via the card ports -only the
main ports - but then their is no power to the ports after start-up.  If
connected then the system hangs near the end of start up.

Tried pressing the PMU reset (once) - but has not changed anything.

Contacted vendor and they were less than helpful - any other ideas -

Noticed card spec is 5 volts and wondering if G4 Pci is only 3.5V _ yes no??
Seem to recall something like this -

Thanks in advance
Erik



> From: Erik Hancock 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:35:07 -0500
> To: 
> Subject: Re: G4 AGP with PCI USB 2.0
> 
> 
>> 
>> On 03-11-2009 21:14, Erik Hancock, ehanc...@concentric.net, wrote:
>> 
>>> I had to replace many parts on my Mac G4 - AGP recently  - and now the PCI
>>> support for USB 2.0 appears to be lacking.  Had a 4 hub PCI card and it was
>>> not being recognized by the system- thought PCI slots might be dead - but
>>> swapped in a combo USB and Firewire PCI card and it is recognizing the card
>>> and the firewire is active and appears to recognize the USB hub but nothing
>>> being plugged into the card is being powered or active.
>>> 
>>> Not sure if there is a firmware or software driver that was missed when I
>>> was reinstalling hardware and software drivers.  Normal fixed USB ports
>>> (1.1)  work but are sooo slow.
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions as to what to check or reset/reinstall??
>> 
>> Have you updated the firmware of your G4/AGP to 4.2.8 ?? Goto:
>> <http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120068> for information and
>> download.
>> 
>> In this article (from Sept. 10, 2003) Apple is not speaking about PCI-USB
>> 2.0 cards. 
>> But my experience is following: In my QS/800/'02 (running 9.2.2 and 10.4.11)
>> and my MDD/1,42DP (running 10.4.11 and 10.5.8) I have a cheap (Euro 8 = US$
>> 11,66) 4 port PCI-USB 2.0 card and it was plug in and go.
>> The same card in my Sawtooth/400 (9.2.2, 10.3.9 and 10.4.11) and in my
>> DA/466 (9.2.2 and 10.4.11) refused to work untill the firmware update 4.2.8.
>> 
>> Would say: Give it a try! But don't forget: The FW Update will only work
>> when booted in 9.1 <-> 9.2.2 on a intern HD.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>> Jo Hissel
> 
> The firmware is updated as I checked it to make sure I was set to run with
> Tiger (10.4).  
> 
> I don't know if a Pram or Nvram reset would do anything as I'm not clear
> what the controller for the USB/PCI system is and if this can be reset -
> I could try to rerun it off the disc or I could try reinstalling 10.4 - but
> not sure if this would have any effect.
> 
> 
> Suggestions or Comments?
> Erik
> 
> 
> 
> > 



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Re: Radeon 9800 & Gig Ethernet

[Erik Hancock]

Check the thermal conductivity and you may see a factor of 3x to 4x better
with the higher quality stuff ­ my local repair guy used the better stuff to
fix the Xbox overheating syndrome and will now only use that for any thermal
connections.   IF you are trying to fix overheating I¹d go with the better
thermal conductor else you might not know if the problem is truly fixed.

My 2 cents
Erik



From: PETER WARNER 
Reply-To: 
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:11:15 -0500
To: 
Subject: Re: Radeon 9800 & Gig Ethernet


On Oct 31, 2009, at 4:59 AM, pdimage wrote:

> 
> A card with artifacts at stock speeds has some kind of problem - if it
>  
> 
> disappears when the card is downclocked the problem is likely overheating so
>  
> 
> the first thing I would do is service the heatsink and fan or look for an
>  
> 
> alternative like an IceQ - though their bulk is a problem.
>  

I am looking at heat sink compounds now, and I was wondering, is there a
major difference between them?  I could run out to radio shack tonight, and
get their $3 tube of silicone based grease, or I could spend 5x that on some
Arctic Silver. Is there a huge performance difference?

Second question, Is the IceQ available as an add on? I only see them coming
with a Graphics card on the HIS site.

Peter





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Re: G4 AGP with PCI USB 2.0

[Erik Hancock]

Well the the original card -once worked just fine upon installation and the
new card is "supposed" to be for the Macs and appears to be supported.

Will try a PRAM reset - but I had done that orignially after swappign the
hardware and resetting all the cards and the original USB hub card was not
even recognized.

If not may try a system software reinstall.

Erik


> From: Bill Connelly 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:14:06 -0500
> To: 
> Subject: Re: G4 AGP with PCI USB 2.0
> 
> 
>> 
>> I don't know if a Pram or Nvram reset would do anything as I'm not
>> clear
>> what the controller for the USB/PCI system is and if this can be
>> reset -
>> I could try to rerun it off the disc or I could try reinstalling
>> 10.4 - but
>> not sure if this would have any effect.
>> 
>> 
>> Suggestions or Comments?
>> Erik
>> 
> 
> I believe every time you change PCI cards, you should do the PRAM reset.
> 
> That allows the new hardware arrangement to become recognized and set
> for future Startups.
> 
> In Tiger and Leopard, I think the drivers for USB 2 are always
> installed originally, but aren't invoked unless USB 2 is present.
> 
> Perhaps your USB 2 card is one that just doesn't work in a Mac? Which
> ones may work, has been discussed before, and you could Search the G3-
> G5 list forum. You might find useful info on www.xlr8yourmac.com as
> well.
> 
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G4 AGP with PCI USB 2.0

[Erik Hancock]

I had to replace many parts on my Mac G4 - AGP recently  - and now the PCI
support for USB 2.0 appears to be lacking.  Had a 4 hub PCI card and it was
not being recognized by the system- thought PCI slots might be dead - but
swapped in a combo USB and Firewire PCI card and it is recognizing the card
and the firewire is active and appears to recognize the USB hub but nothing
being plugged into the card is being powered or active.

Not sure if there is a firmware or software driver that was missed when I
was reinstalling hardware and software drivers.  Normal fixed USB ports
(1.1)  work but are sooo slow.

Any suggestions as to what to check or reset/reinstall??

Thanks in advance

Erik

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Re: G4 AGP with PCI USB 2.0

[Erik Hancock]

> 
> On 03-11-2009 21:14, Erik Hancock, ehanc...@concentric.net, wrote:
> 
>> I had to replace many parts on my Mac G4 - AGP recently  - and now the PCI
>> support for USB 2.0 appears to be lacking.  Had a 4 hub PCI card and it was
>> not being recognized by the system- thought PCI slots might be dead - but
>> swapped in a combo USB and Firewire PCI card and it is recognizing the card
>> and the firewire is active and appears to recognize the USB hub but nothing
>> being plugged into the card is being powered or active.
>> 
>> Not sure if there is a firmware or software driver that was missed when I
>> was reinstalling hardware and software drivers.  Normal fixed USB ports
>> (1.1)  work but are sooo slow.
>> 
>> Any suggestions as to what to check or reset/reinstall??
> 
> Have you updated the firmware of your G4/AGP to 4.2.8 ?? Goto:
> <http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120068> for information and
> download.
> 
> In this article (from Sept. 10, 2003) Apple is not speaking about PCI-USB
> 2.0 cards. 
> But my experience is following: In my QS/800/'02 (running 9.2.2 and 10.4.11)
> and my MDD/1,42DP (running 10.4.11 and 10.5.8) I have a cheap (Euro 8 = US$
> 11,66) 4 port PCI-USB 2.0 card and it was plug in and go.
> The same card in my Sawtooth/400 (9.2.2, 10.3.9 and 10.4.11) and in my
> DA/466 (9.2.2 and 10.4.11) refused to work untill the firmware update 4.2.8.
> 
> Would say: Give it a try! But don't forget: The FW Update will only work
> when booted in 9.1 <-> 9.2.2 on a intern HD.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Jo Hissel

The firmware is updated as I checked it to make sure I was set to run with
Tiger (10.4).  

I don't know if a Pram or Nvram reset would do anything as I'm not clear
what the controller for the USB/PCI system is and if this can be reset -
I could try to rerun it off the disc or I could try reinstalling 10.4 - but
not sure if this would have any effect.


Suggestions or Comments?
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Re: Agp Help

[Erik Hancock]

Ok system is back up and running Osx tiger -

Was on "Open Firmware" screen and would not exit despite all attempts to
reset Pram, Nvram etc.

Removed all memory - machine would not boot - so put back in one stick and
voila - now all sticks in at 2 MB and system seems happier -- lots of drive
noises now and will try to clean rest of dust out and eventually upgrade to
G5 when I can,  but for now I will look to replace Radaeon card fan so I can
use my cinema display - and update and use the Sonnet processor upgrade.

IF this ends up crashing again - I'll see if I can at least move over to a
Gigabite Ethernet system or something a bit heftier.

Thanks to all

Erik

> From: Erik Hancock 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:50:33 -0400
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Agp Help
> 
> 
> Ok - I swapped video cards to another ATI 128 rage - had normal Tiger
> desktop  in safe mode - shutdown to hook up USB/FW cables and now it starts
> up in the white firmware screen - looks to be current with 4.2.8 but it only
> allows 2 commands  (mac boot and shut down) and on boot it is searching for
> a system 9 start-up folder  - must say I haven't had a good working 9
> partion in quite a while so have thrown in the original 9 system discs.
> 
> What is likely happening and what is best course of action back to 10.4
> 
> thanks
> 
> 
>> From: pdimage 
>> Reply-To: 
>> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:09:16 +0100
>> To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
>> Subject: Re: Agp Help
>> 
>> 
>> On 13/10/09 14:51, "Erik Hancock"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes  - Sawtoowth "AGP" version -   the current card with no signal is the
>>> ATI Rage - presumably the original version (DVI and VGA ) posts.
>>> 
>>> Tried the pram reset and to boot off master disc - with no video - found
>>> original rage 128 card and will try that - would pressing PMU reset be worth
>>> trying ?
>>> 
>>> Secondly - 
>>> 
>>> On radeon card I found the fan was fried - is if possible to replace fan
>>> (easily removed from heat sink)  and have a good card or is it possible that
>>> the card fried with over heating?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Erik
>>> 
>> 
>> It's very easy to replace the fan on a 9800 - just three screws and the
>> power connection - and a lot of the fans are interchangeable. The card may
>> survive overheating for a good while so it's worth trying another fan.
>> Entire heatsink and fan assembly is also easy to remove and refurbish with
>> fresh thermal transfer goop - usually just two plunge clips holding it on.
>> If you have another mac on lan and you think it's just the video you can
>> use vnc (chicken of the vnc is free) or remote desktop to view the screen of
>> the mac with no video to see what is happening...
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 



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Re: Agp Help

[Erik Hancock]

Ok - I swapped video cards to another ATI 128 rage - had normal Tiger
desktop  in safe mode - shutdown to hook up USB/FW cables and now it starts
up in the white firmware screen - looks to be current with 4.2.8 but it only
allows 2 commands  (mac boot and shut down) and on boot it is searching for
a system 9 start-up folder  - must say I haven't had a good working 9
partion in quite a while so have thrown in the original 9 system discs.

What is likely happening and what is best course of action back to 10.4

thanks


> From: pdimage 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:09:16 +0100
> To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
> Subject: Re: Agp Help
> 
> 
> On 13/10/09 14:51, "Erik Hancock"  wrote:
> 
>> Yes  - Sawtoowth "AGP" version -   the current card with no signal is the
>> ATI Rage - presumably the original version (DVI and VGA ) posts.
>> 
>> Tried the pram reset and to boot off master disc - with no video - found
>> original rage 128 card and will try that - would pressing PMU reset be worth
>> trying ?
>> 
>> Secondly - 
>> 
>> On radeon card I found the fan was fried - is if possible to replace fan
>> (easily removed from heat sink)  and have a good card or is it possible that
>> the card fried with over heating?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Erik
>> 
> 
> It's very easy to replace the fan on a 9800 - just three screws and the
> power connection - and a lot of the fans are interchangeable. The card may
> survive overheating for a good while so it's worth trying another fan.
> Entire heatsink and fan assembly is also easy to remove and refurbish with
> fresh thermal transfer goop - usually just two plunge clips holding it on.
> If you have another mac on lan and you think it's just the video you can
> use vnc (chicken of the vnc is free) or remote desktop to view the screen of
> the mac with no video to see what is happening...
> 
> Pete
> 
> 
> 
> > 



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Re: Agp Help

[Erik Hancock]

> From: pdimage 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:24:45 +0100
> To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
> Subject: Re: Agp Help
> 
> 
> On 13/10/09 05:08, "Erik Hancock"  wrote:
> 
>> Had my AGP bite the dust ­ power system or logic board ­ Was smoking and
>> sizzling as soon as power cord plugged in ­ alt power supply no help.
>> 
>> Purchased a used AGP and swapped the drives and now not sure if it is
>> booting up correctly ­ VGA out is not getting signal nor is the DVI to the
>> Apple cinema display.
>> 
>> In old mac I had the Radeon 9800 but looks like the  fan was fried ­ not
>> sure if I should swap out the cards and risk frying the new system or to see
>> if I can find my original AGP display card for the VGA monitor.
>> 
>> Any suggestions to try before swapping cards ­ in case unit is trying to
>> determine whether  VGA vs DVI is active or if Pram or other method can be
>> tried to startup system?
>> 
>> Can tell some settings are changed off of old system (10.4) because the
>> network and attached HDD/DVD on Firewire hubs are not present.  Other
>> advice?
>> 
>> Holler back on or off-list
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Erik Hancock
> 
> What's an AGP? - a Sawtooth? If the old card is a 9800 what's the
> new/used card with no signal. Very rarely a zap of the nvram and the pram -
> by holding the comm/opt/p/r keys immediately after the chime - will cure a
> fault - worth a trya cuda press will also reset the mobo.
> If it will boot and display with an OSX installation disk the problem
> may be the system on the HD.
> 
> Pete
>
Yes  - Sawtoowth "AGP" version -   the current card with no signal is the
ATI Rage - presumably the original version (DVI and VGA ) posts.

Tried the pram reset and to boot off master disc - with no video - found
original rage 128 card and will try that - would pressing PMU reset be worth
trying ?

Secondly - 

On radeon card I found the fan was fried - is if possible to replace fan
(easily removed from heat sink)  and have a good card or is it possible that
the card fried with over heating?


Thanks
Erik



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Agp Help

[Erik Hancock]

Had my AGP bite the dust ­ power system or logic board ­ Was smoking and
sizzling as soon as power cord plugged in ­ alt power supply no help.

Purchased a used AGP and swapped the drives and now not sure if it is
booting up correctly ­ VGA out is not getting signal nor is the DVI to the
Apple cinema display.

In old mac I had the Radeon 9800 but looks like the  fan was fried ­ not
sure if I should swap out the cards and risk frying the new system or to see
if I can find my original AGP display card for the VGA monitor.

Any suggestions to try before swapping cards ­ in case unit is trying to
determine whether  VGA vs DVI is active or if Pram or other method can be
tried to startup system?

Can tell some settings are changed off of old system (10.4) because the
network and attached HDD/DVD on Firewire hubs are not present.  Other
advice?

Holler back on or off-list

Thanks

Erik Hancock

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G4 AGP - whats good replacement

[Erik Hancock]

Oh my G4 Agp mac has appeared to die ­ first power supply and now looks
like logic board -  not sure if I should replace the board or perhaps I can
just buy a new machine cheap.

Wondering about replacing with another system and looking for suggestions ­
want a comparable system based on what equipments can be reused or is no
longer needed (don¹t have the $$ to go to the newest machines.)

I had a G4 AGP that was 400mHz but was upgraded to 1.5 mHz (sonnet I think)
Had a USB ?PCI card for 4 additional 2.0 slots and had Radeon 128K card with
DVI and VGA for dual monitors.

Wondering about purchasing a used G4 and not sure what architecture
differences are presented by the Digital Audio or the Mirror G4s -

Basically planning to swap out my drives and verify that firmware is updated
to handle the faster processer ‹ I was running 10.4 as felt 10.5 was too
slow and it was fine as I had it.
Any one have suggestions or experiences to add?

Thanks in Advance

Erik Hancock

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