Re: Firewire gone awol
On 16 /02/ 2014, at 22:53, Kris Tilford wrote: On Feb 16, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: I'd get a cheap FireWire PCI card and put that in. Any OHCI PCI card should do. They're not very expensive. This will work for a Firewire port, but the original idea was to access Target Disk Mode, which only works with the built-in Firewire. I've got a similar 2.0 dual G5 and it's had some problems with Firewire in the past which seemed intermittent and definitely came back to full functionality after a period of not working. I didn't "do anything" to fix it, other than zap the PRAM & reset the NVRAM. A dead PRAM battery might be an issue? Just to let you all know the firewire 400 option has returned without any prompting from me. I ran system profiler - where before there was only a heading it said - FireWire Bus: Maximum Speed:Up to 800 Mb/sec Unknown Device: Manufacturer: Unknown Model:Unknown Device Maximum Speed:Up to 400 Mb/sec Connection Speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec There was nothing plugged into any firewire slot but I plugged in a firewire hdd and all is well. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Firewire gone awol
This G5 is late(October) 2005 with 8 ram slots - does it need to be a PCI-E card or will PCI do it? It needs to be PCIe. However, PCIe support is incomplete on Power Macs; any device connected to it will almost certainly not be bootable, let alone Target Disk Mode-capable. It should work once OS X is booted, though. Cameron, thanks for that detail. Now I have tiger 10.4.11 up and running I'll just do my backups via usb2, though I will get a 6-9 firewire cable and try the 800 jack later. Meanwhile, I'll settle for what I have - it runs smooth & quiet & faster than any of my previous macs - well the pismo is quieter! -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Firewire gone awol
> This G5 is late(October) 2005 with 8 ram slots - does it need to be a > PCI-E card or will PCI do it? It needs to be PCIe. However, PCIe support is incomplete on Power Macs; any device connected to it will almost certainly not be bootable, let alone Target Disk Mode-capable. It should work once OS X is booted, though. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- LET'S GO FORWARD ... INTO THE PAST! -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Firewire gone awol
On 17 /02/ 2014, at 01:11, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: I'd get a cheap FireWire PCI card and put that in. Any OHCI PCI card should do. They're not very expensive. Correct ... any OHCI-compatible PCI card will provide basic Firewire, at your choice of 400 or 800, and sometimes with several connector types, even internal ones. Even the very inexpensive Hong Kong cards are good. This will work for a Firewire port, but the original idea was to access Target Disk Mode, which only works with the built-in Firewire. Correct ... the motherboard's BIOS provides specific support to the motherboard-resident Firewire chip. The two go together ... period. The BIOS is unaware of any add-in PCI- or PCI-e-based Firewire card. Although the motherboard-resident Firewire chip may, indeed, be a PCI-e-based solution. This G5 is late(October) 2005 with 8 ram slots - does it need to be a PCI-E card or will PCI do it? Ged -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Firewire gone awol
>> I'd get a cheap FireWire PCI card and put that in. Any OHCI PCI card >> should do. They're not very expensive. Correct ... any OHCI-compatible PCI card will provide basic Firewire, at your choice of 400 or 800, and sometimes with several connector types, even internal ones. Even the very inexpensive Hong Kong cards are good. > This will work for a Firewire port, but the original idea was to access > Target Disk Mode, which only works with the built-in Firewire. Correct ... the motherboard's BIOS provides specific support to the motherboard-resident Firewire chip. The two go together ... period. The BIOS is unaware of any add-in PCI- or PCI-e-based Firewire card. Although the motherboard-resident Firewire chip may, indeed, be a PCI-e-based solution. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Firewire gone awol
On Feb 16, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > I'd get a cheap FireWire PCI card and put that in. Any OHCI PCI card should > do. They're not very expensive. This will work for a Firewire port, but the original idea was to access Target Disk Mode, which only works with the built-in Firewire. I've got a similar 2.0 dual G5 and it's had some problems with Firewire in the past which seemed intermittent and definitely came back to full functionality after a period of not working. I didn't "do anything" to fix it, other than zap the PRAM & reset the NVRAM. A dead PRAM battery might be an issue? -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Firewire gone awol
> > Is the firewire 800 link separate from 400? > > System profiler only states "up to 800 Mb/sec" and then only after > > much wheel winding. > > Maybe a 6-9 cable will get me firewire? > > If the problem is with the 400 port, then the 800 might work. > Since a 400-to-800 FW cable should be relatively cheap (and always handy), > I'd give it a shoot. To shed more light on this: The FW800 and FW400 ports are separate ports connected to the same bus and same controller, so this will only work if the port is bad but the controller isn't. This is probably unlikely, especially since you say you had to do a lot of fiddling to even get the FW800 bus to appear at all. I'd get a cheap FireWire PCI card and put that in. Any OHCI PCI card should do. They're not very expensive. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Firewire gone awol
On 16 /02/ 2014, at 15:06, Valter Prahlad wrote: installed 10.4.3, With didn't you install the 10.4.11 update? That could contain some drivers or stuff that make the FW ports running as they should. Valter, that was to be my next job after migrating my user - I'll get on with that now. If no change I'll try the 9-6 firewire cable idea. Ged -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Firewire gone awol
Il giorno 16/02/14 11.36, "geraldcornish" ha scritto: > Problem disk does not show up, tried several firewire cables & > alternate disks, zapped pram, all to no avail. Sounds like an hardware problem (either the port or the FW chips), but wait for more informed opinions before getting worried. ;-) > installed 10.4.3, With didn't you install the 10.4.11 update? That could contain some drivers or stuff that make the FW ports running as they should. > Is the firewire 800 link separate from 400? > System profiler only states "up to 800 Mb/sec" and then only after > much wheel winding. > Maybe a 6-9 cable will get me firewire? If the problem is with the 400 port, then the 800 might work. Since a 400-to-800 FW cable should be relatively cheap (and always handy), I'd give it a shoot. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Firewire gone awol
Hi G5 dual 2GHZ late 2005 with wiped hdd - started up in target disk mode via firewire cable (400), installed 10.4.3, restarted, attached backup disk via firewire intending to migrate my user data. Problem disk does not show up, tried several firewire cables & alternate disks, zapped pram, all to no avail. Have managed to import user data ok via usb2. Any ideas where I go next? Is the firewire 800 link separate from 400? System profiler only states "up to 800 Mb/sec" and then only after much wheel winding. Maybe a 6-9 cable will get me firewire? TIA Ged -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
