Re: G4 Question
At 8:24 PM -0500 8/26/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote: OK, but if thats not my problem then what freezes up my machine when I leave it un-used? sigh. You mention that you get the SPOD - typically a temporary condition, while the app waits for the resource to become available, and you asked about Dashboard. But nowhere in the thread did you mention your Mac was actually freezing to the point you had to restart it or that it did this while otherwise idle. I have to restart it just to use it. It did this today and all I had pulled up was the desktop, nothing else. I did a check of both HDs earlier and they were fine. But just now it said USS Akira (120 GB HD that is formated as Mac OS Extended (Journaled) and has 111.5 GB free. Could this be what is freezing my G4 (the problem with my 2nd HD)? A bad HD, especially the boot volume could certainly cause the apps or even the system to hang as threads stall out waiting for data from the drive ...Note that we usually reserve the word freeze to mean that the mouse cursor does not move, and the system is totally unresponsive otherwise, even to keyboard activity, even after re-connecting the keyboard and mouse. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Question
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Dandantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:24 PM -0500 8/26/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote: OK, but if thats not my problem then what freezes up my machine when I leave it un-used? sigh. You mention that you get the SPOD - typically a temporary condition, while the app waits for the resource to become available, and you asked about Dashboard. But nowhere in the thread did you mention your Mac was actually freezing to the point you had to restart it or that it did this while otherwise idle. I have to restart it just to use it. It did this today and all I had pulled up was the desktop, nothing else. I did a check of both HDs earlier and they were fine. But just now it said USS Akira (120 GB HD that is formated as Mac OS Extended (Journaled) and has 111.5 GB free. Could this be what is freezing my G4 (the problem with my 2nd HD)? A bad HD, especially the boot volume could certainly cause the apps or even the system to hang as threads stall out waiting for data from the drive ...Note that we usually reserve the word freeze to mean that the mouse cursor does not move, and the system is totally unresponsive otherwise, even to keyboard activity, even after re-connecting the keyboard and mouse. Whelp, the Sony VAIO rinitron monitor died last night but I hope the 4 USB ports still work on it (will check later). I am now using an NEC CromaClear monitor. However, I also ran Disk Utility and see that the HD that came with this G4 (gotten from the LEM Swap List) is reporting a Fatal Hardware Error. I have backed it up with CCC and hope that works. -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Question
On 8/25/09 10:48 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Yes, it isut OnyX asks for my password Dan, I've been following this thread and I can confirm this bug, if you can call it that. I did the same thing on my Ti 400 last night, shut down, restart but Dashboard is still in the dock, and the blue icon, top right, is still there. I just tried removing the icon from the dock, no luck. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Question
At 11:48 PM -0500 8/25/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Dandantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 10:09 PM -0500 8/25/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote: Use a tool such as OnyX. OK, I unclicked Enable Dashboard So why do I still see the arrow under Dashboard? Because you haven't logged out and back in again yet, then removed the icon from the Dock? I restarted the machine already Shouldn't that have done the trick? Yea. This is the same account in which you turned it off? Yes, it isut OnyX asks for my password At 7:07 AM -0600 8/26/2009, Nestamicky wrote: Dan, I've been following this thread and I can confirm this bug, if you can call it that. I did the same thing on my Ti 400 last night, shut down, restart but Dashboard is still in the dock, and the blue icon, top right, is still there. I just tried removing the icon from the dock, no luck. Ok. Just tried it. Yea, yer right - there's a bug it's in Dock; just cosmetic tho. OnyX (or Deeper if using a non-admin account) disables Dashboard, kills its processes, and restarts the Dock - like it should. But the Dock keeps the arrow on the Dashboard icon. (You can see with Activity Monitor that the Dashboard processes are gone). Just grab that icon and poof it off the Dock. To re-enable Dashboard, check the box in OnyX. It will do its thing and restart the Dock. Then you need to manually launch Dashboard.app and manually drag its icon onto the Dock. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Question
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Dandantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 11:48 PM -0500 8/25/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Dandantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 10:09 PM -0500 8/25/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote: Use a tool such as OnyX. OK, I unclicked Enable Dashboard So why do I still see the arrow under Dashboard? Because you haven't logged out and back in again yet, then removed the icon from the Dock? I restarted the machine already Shouldn't that have done the trick? Yea. This is the same account in which you turned it off? Yes, it isut OnyX asks for my password At 7:07 AM -0600 8/26/2009, Nestamicky wrote: Dan, I've been following this thread and I can confirm this bug, if you can call it that. I did the same thing on my Ti 400 last night, shut down, restart but Dashboard is still in the dock, and the blue icon, top right, is still there. I just tried removing the icon from the dock, no luck. Ok. Just tried it. Yea, yer right - there's a bug it's in Dock; just cosmetic tho. OnyX (or Deeper if using a non-admin account) disables Dashboard, kills its processes, and restarts the Dock - like it should. But the Dock keeps the arrow on the Dashboard icon. (You can see with Activity Monitor that the Dashboard processes are gone). Just grab that icon and poof it off the Dock. To re-enable Dashboard, check the box in OnyX. It will do its thing and restart the Dock. Then you need to manually launch Dashboard.app and manually drag its icon onto the Dock. OK, but if thats not my problem then what freezes up my machine when I leave it un-used? I have to restart it just to use it. It did this today and all I had pulled up was the desktop, nothing else. I did a check of both HDs earlier and they were fine. But just now it said USS Akira (120 GB HD that is formated as Mac OS Extended (Journaled) and has 111.5 GB free. Could this be what is freezing my G4 (the problem with my 2nd HD)? Steve -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of the G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Question
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Dandantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 6:26 AM -0500 8/25/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote: Also, do I want to use Dashboard? How much spare memory and CPU you gots? Dashboard is a PIG, sucking up about 40 MB RAM and a few % cpu even when inactive. Dashboard Widgets, aka Javascript applets, rarely do much that you can't already do with a real app. Me and mine - we have Dashboard disabled. How do I do this? Use a tool such as OnyX. OK, I unclicked Enable Dashboard So why do I still see the arrow under Dashboard? -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Question
At 9:44 PM -0500 8/25/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Dandantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 6:26 AM -0500 8/25/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote: Also, do I want to use Dashboard? How much spare memory and CPU you gots? Dashboard is a PIG, sucking up about 40 MB RAM and a few % cpu even when inactive. Dashboard Widgets, aka Javascript applets, rarely do much that you can't already do with a real app. Me and mine - we have Dashboard disabled. How do I do this? Use a tool such as OnyX. OK, I unclicked Enable Dashboard So why do I still see the arrow under Dashboard? Because you haven't logged out and back in again yet, then removed the icon from the Dock? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Question
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Dandantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 9:44 PM -0500 8/25/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Dandantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 6:26 AM -0500 8/25/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote: Also, do I want to use Dashboard? How much spare memory and CPU you gots? Dashboard is a PIG, sucking up about 40 MB RAM and a few % cpu even when inactive. Dashboard Widgets, aka Javascript applets, rarely do much that you can't already do with a real app. Me and mine - we have Dashboard disabled. How do I do this? Use a tool such as OnyX. OK, I unclicked Enable Dashboard So why do I still see the arrow under Dashboard? Because you haven't logged out and back in again yet, then removed the icon from the Dock? I restarted the machine already Shouldn't that have done the trick? -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Question
At 10:09 PM -0500 8/25/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote: Use a tool such as OnyX. OK, I unclicked Enable Dashboard So why do I still see the arrow under Dashboard? Because you haven't logged out and back in again yet, then removed the icon from the Dock? I restarted the machine already Shouldn't that have done the trick? Yea. This is the same account in which you turned it off? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Question
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Dandantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 10:09 PM -0500 8/25/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote: Use a tool such as OnyX. OK, I unclicked Enable Dashboard So why do I still see the arrow under Dashboard? Because you haven't logged out and back in again yet, then removed the icon from the Dock? I restarted the machine already Shouldn't that have done the trick? Yea. This is the same account in which you turned it off? Yes, it isut OnyX asks for my password -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Question
PeterH wrote: On Jul 26, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: I am purchasing the following: Quicksilver G4 800 w/512 MB RAM I have a few questions. What RAM is recommended (so I can purchase some) to max it out? Best Video card (so I can get one)? I have been satisfied with the standard video card. As for the RAM, definitely max it out at 1.5 GB A single 512 MB PC133 stick was standard with most models. Two more PC133 sticks will max it out. Figure on $20 to $32 per stick. The 800 was a 2001 model, IIRC, so you will probably want to add the so-called LBA48 properties to gain full support of all current ATA drives (750 GB is the present maximum, and probably the all-time maximum for ATA drives, as there has been NO further development of ATA drives). The Dual 800 is a 2001 model, the single 800 is 2002 and therefore does NOT have the 128 Gb drive limit. I have an 800 QS with a 320 Gb drive and 1.25 Gb RAM in it. I upgraded the video card to an ATI 9200, in part as I wanted DVI output. I don't think there is a BEST video card. I tend to think that unless you are really pushing things that any of the more modern cards (ATI 7000+) are sufficient. With this vintage of Mac you do need to consider the video output ports. A lot of the cards that came with Macs then had a VGA port and an ADC port. I'm avoiding using ADC as it's a dead end. If VGA is acceptable then that is all good. I'm trying to move toward DVI-I since it will also work with VGA if needed. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
G4 Question
I am purchasing the following: Quicksilver G4 800 w/512 MB RAM I have a few questions. What RAM is recommended (so I can purchase some) to max it out? Best Video card (so I can get one)? Also, it has one HD and I want to add a 2nd one. My spare HDs === Generic 120.0 GB 7200 RPM Samsung SP0802N (S/N S00JJ40Y371416) - Listed on it as probably bad but I'd still check it out WD Caviar 22500 AT Compatible Intelligent Drive WD Caviar 12100 EIDE Will any of these work in it? -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Question
On Jul 26, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: I am purchasing the following: Quicksilver G4 800 w/512 MB RAM I have a few questions. What RAM is recommended (so I can purchase some) to max it out? Best Video card (so I can get one)? I have been satisfied with the standard video card. As for the RAM, definitely max it out at 1.5 GB A single 512 MB PC133 stick was standard with most models. Two more PC133 sticks will max it out. Figure on $20 to $32 per stick. The 800 was a 2001 model, IIRC, so you will probably want to add the so-called LBA48 properties to gain full support of all current ATA drives (750 GB is the present maximum, and probably the all-time maximum for ATA drives, as there has been NO further development of ATA drives). I presently use those properties on my Digital Audios, and I have never had a problem with them. If you are fearful of the LBA48 properties, then High Cap or Overdrive is also an option. Only the very latest High Cap works with Leopard, and it only works after booting has been completed. LBA48 works from the initial power-on. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Question
On Jul 26, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: I am purchasing the following: Quicksilver G4 800 w/512 MB RAM I have a few questions. What RAM is recommended (so I can purchase some) to max it out? It will take low density pc133 ram, up to 1.5GB (3 x 512). I have not had trouble with ecc ram, but do not get registered ram, that is for servers only and will not work in your Mac. The swap list can get you sticks for $20 shipped nowadays. Best Video card (so I can get one)? I have hacked Radeon 9600s from G5s in my DAs. A significant improvement over the stock GeForces and fully supports Core image in 10.5. What are you going to be doing with it? Gaming, Photoshop, Video editing, Animating your own anime? Also, it has one HD and I want to add a 2nd one. My spare HDs === Generic 120.0 GB 7200 RPM Samsung SP0802N (S/N S00JJ40Y371416) - Listed on it as probably bad but I'd still check it out WD Caviar 22500 AT Compatible Intelligent Drive WD Caviar 12100 EIDE Will any of these work in it? Assuming that the machine originally shipped with the 800MHz processor, it is a second gen QS and supports large HD out of the box. Any ATA/ IDE drive will work, even over 128GB. What interface is the generic? 120GB is a decent size depending on what you want to do Samsung SP0802N Probably bad?? Wind chimes or play with the magnets. Do not waste time or data on a probably bad drive. WD Caviar 22500 or 12100?? 2.5 and 2.0GB respectively. What would you do with something that small? Depending what you want to do with it, my thoughts: Go to at least 1GB ram. The jump from 512MB to 1GB is noticeable. The jump to 1.5 may or may not be depending on what you do with it. You probably have the Radeon 7500 in your machine. Sufficient for Quartz Extreme, but I don't think it supports Core Image. Try it and see if you are satisfied before you go shopping. The processor is the real bottleneck in this system. The 800 did not have a L3 cache and benchmarks out at about the level of a 650MHz with L3. You will probably get better bang for the buck by installing a Dual 1GHz than installing a better video card. According to the Geekbench results in MacTracker, the 800 gets a 419, while the dual 1GHz gets an 833 and my DA with a dual 1.2 from OWC and a 9600 pro gets a 986. Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Question
On 7/26/09, PeterH peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: On Jul 26, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: I am purchasing the following: Quicksilver G4 800 w/512 MB RAM I have a few questions. What RAM is recommended (so I can purchase some) to max it out? Best Video card (so I can get one)? I have been satisfied with the standard video card. As for the RAM, definitely max it out at 1.5 GB A single 512 MB PC133 stick was standard with most models. Two more PC133 sticks will max it out. Figure on $20 to $32 per stick. The 800 was a 2001 model, IIRC, so you will probably want to add the so-called LBA48 properties to gain full support of all current ATA drives (750 GB is the present maximum, and probably the all-time maximum for ATA drives, as there has been NO further development of ATA drives). I presently use those properties on my Digital Audios, and I have never had a problem with them. If you are fearful of the LBA48 properties, then High Cap or Overdrive is also an option. Only the very latest High Cap works with Leopard, and it only works after booting has been completed. LBA48 works from the initial power-on. How does one do this? -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Question
On 7/26/09, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 26, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: I am purchasing the following: Quicksilver G4 800 w/512 MB RAM I have a few questions. What RAM is recommended (so I can purchase some) to max it out? It will take low density pc133 ram, up to 1.5GB (3 x 512). I have not had trouble with ecc ram, but do not get registered ram, that is for servers only and will not work in your Mac. The swap list can get you sticks for $20 shipped nowadays. Best Video card (so I can get one)? I have hacked Radeon 9600s from G5s in my DAs. A significant improvement over the stock GeForces and fully supports Core image in 10.5. What are you going to be doing with it? Gaming, Photoshop, Video editing, Animating your own anime? Also, it has one HD and I want to add a 2nd one. My spare HDs === Generic 120.0 GB 7200 RPM Samsung SP0802N (S/N S00JJ40Y371416) - Listed on it as probably bad but I'd still check it out WD Caviar 22500 AT Compatible Intelligent Drive WD Caviar 12100 EIDE Will any of these work in it? Assuming that the machine originally shipped with the 800MHz processor, it is a second gen QS and supports large HD out of the box. Any ATA/ IDE drive will work, even over 128GB. What interface is the generic? 120GB is a decent size depending on what you want to do This is the barcode on top of it: 52120924 On the front italso has this: Capacity: 120.0 GB 7200 RPM Rating 12V 0.40A 5V 0.50A On the bottom I have this barcode: 001092-200 J X W 140J AX1H 5 00 04 2 0 3124 Samsung SP0802N Probably bad?? Wind chimes or play with the magnets. Do not waste time or data on a probably bad drive. I just was gonna see if it works or not, not try to save data on it WD Caviar 22500 or 12100?? 2.5 and 2.0GB respectively. What would you do with something that small? See if they work and then store text file on them perhaps. Not use them for everyday things like browsing the interweb. If I have an HD might as well make use of it. :) Depending what you want to do with it, my thoughts: Go to at least 1GB ram. The jump from 512MB to 1GB is noticeable. The jump to 1.5 may or may not be depending on what you do with it. You probably have the Radeon 7500 in your machine. Sufficient for Quartz Extreme, but I don't think it supports Core Image. Try it and see if you are satisfied before you go shopping. The processor is the real bottleneck in this system. The 800 did not have a L3 cache and benchmarks out at about the level of a 650MHz with L3. You will probably get better bang for the buck by installing a Dual 1GHz than installing a better video card. According to the Geekbench results in MacTracker, the 800 gets a 419, while the dual 1GHz gets an 833 and my DA with a dual 1.2 from OWC and a 9600 pro gets a 986. How hard is it to install this? Len -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Question
On Jul 26, 2009, at 7:47 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: On 7/26/09, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 26, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: I am purchasing the following: Quicksilver G4 800 w/512 MB RAM Also, it has one HD and I want to add a 2nd one. My spare HDs === Generic 120.0 GB 7200 RPM Samsung SP0802N (S/N S00JJ40Y371416) - Listed on it as probably bad but I'd still check it out WD Caviar 22500 AT Compatible Intelligent Drive WD Caviar 12100 EIDE Will any of these work in it? What interface is the generic? 120GB is a decent size depending on what you want to do This is the barcode on top of it: 52120924 On the front italso has this: Capacity: 120.0 GB 7200 RPM Rating 12V 0.40A 5V 0.50A On the bottom I have this barcode: 001092-200 J X W 140J AX1H 5 00 04 2 0 3124 Unfortunately, that tells me nothing. Look at the the interface. If it is a 40 pin like the existing drive or the Samsung or WDs, it should work fine. Samsung SP0802N Probably bad?? Wind chimes or play with the magnets. Do not waste time or data on a probably bad drive. I just was gonna see if it works or not, not try to save data on it So, if it works, what are you going to do with it? Trust the label. WD Caviar 22500 or 12100?? 2.5 and 2.0GB respectively. What would you do with something that small? See if they work and then store text file on them perhaps. Not use them for everyday things like browsing the interweb. If I have an HD might as well make use of it. :) With drives of this age, you tend to run into a lot of Sticktion Failures, where the platters don't spin up anymore. Best to use them with the Samsung for a nice set of wind chimes and refrigerator magnets. The processor is the real bottleneck in this system. The 800 did not have a L3 cache and benchmarks out at about the level of a 650MHz with L3. You will probably get better bang for the buck by installing a Dual 1GHz than installing a better video card. According to the Geekbench results in MacTracker, the 800 gets a 419, while the dual 1GHz gets an 833 and my DA with a dual 1.2 from OWC and a 9600 pro gets a 986. How hard is it to install this? Pretty easy. Remove the heatsink clip, then the heatsink, unscrew 4 screws and pull the current processor out. Clean off the old heat sink compound on the replacement processor and heat sink (a paper towel is fine). Carefully align the new processor ands push it in place. Install 4 screws. put a little dab of heat sink compound on the processors and place the heat sink on top. Secure the heat sink with the clip provided. Briefly press the CUDA button then start up. Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Question
On 7/26/09, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 26, 2009, at 7:47 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: On 7/26/09, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 26, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: I am purchasing the following: Quicksilver G4 800 w/512 MB RAM Also, it has one HD and I want to add a 2nd one. My spare HDs === Generic 120.0 GB 7200 RPM Samsung SP0802N (S/N S00JJ40Y371416) - Listed on it as probably bad but I'd still check it out WD Caviar 22500 AT Compatible Intelligent Drive WD Caviar 12100 EIDE Will any of these work in it? What interface is the generic? 120GB is a decent size depending on what you want to do This is the barcode on top of it: 52120924 On the front italso has this: Capacity: 120.0 GB 7200 RPM Rating 12V 0.40A 5V 0.50A On the bottom I have this barcode: 001092-200 J X W 140J AX1H 5 00 04 2 0 3124 Unfortunately, that tells me nothing. Look at the the interface. If it is a 40 pin like the existing drive or the Samsung or WDs, it should work fine. 39 Pins (doesn't look like #40 was ever there, and the one one is a bottom pin) Samsung SP0802N Probably bad?? Wind chimes or play with the magnets. Do not waste time or data on a probably bad drive. I just was gonna see if it works or not, not try to save data on it So, if it works, what are you going to do with it? Trust the label. WD Caviar 22500 or 12100?? 2.5 and 2.0GB respectively. What would you do with something that small? See if they work and then store text file on them perhaps. Not use them for everyday things like browsing the interweb. If I have an HD might as well make use of it. :) With drives of this age, you tend to run into a lot of Sticktion Failures, where the platters don't spin up anymore. Best to use them with the Samsung for a nice set of wind chimes and refrigerator magnets. It is a possibility. If they do work I have older PCs I miht stick them into. Haven't made up my mind though as I need to see if those older PCs work as claimed. (Yes, people know I collect older machines thus they donate them to me). The processor is the real bottleneck in this system. The 800 did not have a L3 cache and benchmarks out at about the level of a 650MHz with L3. You will probably get better bang for the buck by installing a Dual 1GHz than installing a better video card. According to the Geekbench results in MacTracker, the 800 gets a 419, while the dual 1GHz gets an 833 and my DA with a dual 1.2 from OWC and a 9600 pro gets a 986. How hard is it to install this? Pretty easy. Remove the heatsink clip, then the heatsink, unscrew 4 screws and pull the current processor out. Clean off the old heat sink compound on the replacement processor and heat sink (a paper towel is fine). Carefully align the new processor ands push it in place. Install 4 screws. put a little dab of heat sink compound on the processors and place the heat sink on top. Secure the heat sink with the clip provided. Briefly press the CUDA button then start up. Hmmm, doesn't look too hard but Ihave never done stuff like this. -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: keychain G4 question
On Dec 7, 2008, at 8:29 PM, joe wrote: Sorry I wasn't very clear. It's a clean OS install (just one that I didn't do). There's nothing stored in keychain right now. The trouble is that I can't begin to use it for storing passwords without the keychain password itself to unlock it. I thought that just used the admin password or user password, but it doesn't. I re-set the admin password (the only account) using the install disk, but I can't unlock Keychain. Clark's advice is still dead on. Delete the login keychain, which you can do without unlocking it. You can also create a new admin user to make sure your admin account has that fresh new account smell and no weird stuff linked to old passwords. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: keychain G4 question
On Dec 8, 2008, at 3:34 PM, joe wrote: Will it then automatically start another login keychain next time she logs in? And from then on, she should be able to save passwords (like from Mail or whatever) in the keychain using the login password that I recently reset using the install disk? Yes. This is a common problem when changing the password via the installer utility. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
keychain G4 question
I just set up a second hand G4 digital audio with OS X 10.3 already installed on it. I used the install disk to reset the admin password, but I didn't realize that the keychain password is also unknown to me. I can't unlock Keychain to put it to use. (There's nothing there at this point--I just want to use it.) Is there any way to get or reset that password short of re-installing the OS? TIA Joe == Joe the Juggler 4148 Wyoming St. St. Louis, MO 63116 (314) 771-3243 http://joethejuggler.com == --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: keychain G4 question
joe wrote: I just set up a second hand G4 digital audio with OS X 10.3 already installed on it. I used the install disk to reset the admin password, but I didn't realize that the keychain password is also unknown to me. I can't unlock Keychain to put it to use. (There's nothing there at this point--I just want to use it.) Is there any way to get or reset that password short of re-installing the OS? Use the Keychain Access utility to delete the keychain file(s). It should work okay after that. You might be better off just creating a whole new admin user and deleting the old one, just to burn the gunk out. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: keychain G4 question
On Dec 7, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Clark Martin wrote: joe wrote: I just set up a second hand G4 digital audio with OS X 10.3 already installed on it. I used the install disk to reset the admin password, but I didn't realize that the keychain password is also unknown to me. I can't unlock Keychain to put it to use. (There's nothing there at this point--I just want to use it.) Is there any way to get or reset that password short of re-installing the OS? Use the Keychain Access utility to delete the keychain file(s). It should work okay after that. You might be better off just creating a whole new admin user and deleting the old one, just to burn the gunk out. Sorry I wasn't very clear. It's a clean OS install (just one that I didn't do). There's nothing stored in keychain right now. The trouble is that I can't begin to use it for storing passwords without the keychain password itself to unlock it. I thought that just used the admin password or user password, but it doesn't. I re-set the admin password (the only account) using the install disk, but I can't unlock Keychain. I hope I'm using the terminology correctly. For example, I just set up an account in Mail, and when you check mail you've got to re-enter the password. After you do so, a dialogue pops up asking if you want to store it in Keychain--to do so you need to enter the Keychain password (the admin account password I just reset doesn't work). Does that make sense? (This is a computer I set up for someone else, so I don't have quick access to it at the moment.) == Joe the Juggler 4148 Wyoming St. St. Louis, MO 63116 (314) 771-3243 http://joethejuggler.com == --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
