Re: One odd fastener for G4 Power supply
On Jun 19, 2009, at 8:41 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote: All the screws necessary to take the PS out of my G4 2002 933 Mhz Quicksilver are phillips except one, and no phillips touches it, though it looks like a phillips. Is it a pozi drive? If it's got a little X across the slots, it's a Pozidriv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozidriv and you need a pozididriv screwdriver to get it out. The slots are shallow and not beveled. It could also be just a really cheaply made phillips screw that someone forced into it. You can try, (if you have the tools), cutting across the head to make a flathead screw out of it to get it out. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: One odd fastener for G4 Power supply
Or years ago there were what were called 'Reed point' screws... As I recall, those also looked like a phillips, but the slots were shaped enough differently that a phillips would not fit. I don't recall exactly what the difference between those and the phillips...or for that matter between those and the posidrive? ~~~ On 6/21/09 11:09 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 19, 2009, at 8:41 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote: All the screws necessary to take the PS out of my G4 2002 933 Mhz Quicksilver are phillips except one, and no phillips touches it, though it looks like a phillips. Is it a pozi drive? If it's got a little X across the slots, it's a Pozidriv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozidriv and you need a pozididriv screwdriver to get it out. The slots are shallow and not beveled. It could also be just a really cheaply made phillips screw that someone forced into it. You can try, (if you have the tools), cutting across the head to make a flathead screw out of it to get it out. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: One odd fastener for G4 Power supply
On Jun 21, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Jack Countryman wrote: Or years ago there were what were called 'Reed point' screws... As I recall, those also looked like a phillips, but the slots were shaped enough differently that a phillips would not fit. I don't recall exactly what the difference between those and the phillips...or for that matter between those and the posidrive? ~~ ~ Is it the same or similar fastener used on the harddrive casings and HD circuit boards (the HDs that have them exposed)? 6-pointed star- like hole? Phillips doesn't work ... they're just 4 aren't they? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: One odd fastener for G4 Power supply
FYI... On Jun 21, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Jack Countryman wrote: Or years ago there were what were called 'Reed point' screws... As I recall, those also looked like a phillips, but the slots were shaped enough differently that a phillips would not fit. I don't recall exactly what the difference between those and the phillips...or for that matter between those and the posidrive? http://www.instructables.com/id/S1ZE2F7FOVXPGXD/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: One odd fastener for G4 Power supply
Is it the same or similar fastener used on the harddrive casings and HD circuit boards (the HDs that have them exposed)? 6-pointed star- like hole? Phillips doesn't work ... they're just 4 aren't they? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio No, 4 -point, just very shallow. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: One odd fastener for G4 Power supply
- Original Message From: Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu It could also be just a really cheaply made phillips screw that someone forced into it. You can try, (if you have the tools), cutting across the head to make a flathead screw out of it to get it out. Just a hacksaw blade or a small piece of one or another similar piece of saw blade will file/cut a slot in the X impressioned screw head so a common small flat blade screw driver will unscrew it. Last resort only if you can't identify the fastener and find the appropriate tool to remove it. --glen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
One odd fastener for G4 Power supply
All the screws necessary to take the PS out of my G4 2002 933 Mhz Quicksilver are phillips except one, and no phillips touches it, though it looks like a phillips. Is it a pozi drive? The slots are shallow and not beveled. What do I use to get this one fastener out? Thanks as always. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: One odd fastener for G4 Power supply
On Jun 19, 2009, at 8:41 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote: All the screws necessary to take the PS out of my G4 2002 933 Mhz Quicksilver are phillips except one, and no phillips touches it, though it looks like a phillips. Is it a pozi drive? The slots are shallow and not beveled. What do I use to get this one fastener out? Someone substituted an ersatz fastener. All the fasteners on the G3s and G4s, and probably the G5s, with one important exception, are metric. To be specific, the metric fasteners on the PSUs are all M3.5-0.6, and which look startlingly like an Imperial #6-32 UNC. (The exceptions are the HD retaining screws. Those are all #6-32 UNC). If you truly found a Pozi-Driv on the PSU, then either: 1) it is the fastener which retains the L shaped bracket, and it was put there by the PSU manufacturer and is not intended to be replaced, or 2) it is an ersatz fastener, placed there by someone who was trying to perform a make do. Remember: on G3s and G4s, and possibly also on G5s, all PSU retaining screws, all drive bracket retaining screws (but NOT the HD retaining screws themselves) and all PCI or PCI-E card retaining screws are specials made for Apple and are M3.5-0.6. Apple has used a variety of heads on these M3.5-0.6 screws: #1 Phillips, #2 Phillips, slotted, and Torx. The whole idea behind Apple's decision was to keep Apples an all- metric machine, with the sole exception of the HD retaining screws which are always #6-32 UNC (and are Imperial). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: One odd fastener for G4 Power supply
On Jun 19, 2009, at 8:55 PM, PeterH wrote: On Jun 19, 2009, at 8:41 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote: All the screws necessary to take the PS out of my G4 2002 933 Mhz Quicksilver are phillips except one, and no phillips touches it, though it looks like a phillips. Is it a pozi drive? The slots are shallow and not beveled. What do I use to get this one fastener out? Someone substituted an ersatz fastener. All the fasteners on the G3s and G4s, and probably the G5s, with one important exception, are metric. To be specific, the metric fasteners on the PSUs are all M3.5-0.6, and which look startlingly like an Imperial #6-32 UNC. (The exceptions are the HD retaining screws. Those are all #6-32 UNC). If you truly found a Pozi-Driv on the PSU, then either: 1) it is the fastener which retains the L shaped bracket, and it was put there by the PSU manufacturer and is not intended to be replaced, or 2) it is an ersatz fastener, placed there by someone who was trying to perform a make do. Remember: on G3s and G4s, and possibly also on G5s, all PSU retaining screws, all drive bracket retaining screws (but NOT the HD retaining screws themselves) and all PCI or PCI-E card retaining screws are specials made for Apple and are M3.5-0.6. Apple has used a variety of heads on these M3.5-0.6 screws: #1 Phillips, #2 Phillips, slotted, and Torx. The whole idea behind Apple's decision was to keep Apples an all- metric machine, with the sole exception of the HD retaining screws which are always #6-32 UNC (and are Imperial). I bought the machine new, so it's not an add on. And it's not a phillips. I had every other screw out when I was trying to get the PS out when I tried, and this fastener was not phillips. It's been over a month since then so I'm not sure if the fastener is the one that retains the 'L shaped bracket' or not, but I can tell you that I was unable to get the PS out without taking that fastener out, and I was unable to take that fastener out with the same phillips I used for every other. The PS manufacturer may have intended that I not take the PS out, but the PS fan don't work no more and I got me a new PS for $35 in which the fan works, so I am afraid that I must violate the original PS manufacturers intentions so as to force my will upon the machine so as to make it whole again as is my wont. So will somebody tell me how the hell I kin do that? Heeyulk heeyulk. Seriously though. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
