Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again (Solved?)
At 10:30 PM -0400 8/12/2009, Bill Connelly wrote:
On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Dan wrote:
At 8:09 PM -0400 8/11/2009, Bill Connelly wrote:
After an electrical storm today, I plugged everything back in, and I
get the old behavior of several kps on Startup, and after a Safeboot,
things seem to be ok. Seagate 750GB is not dropping out, though, so
far.
It looks like the BootCache gets messed up. From the Panic Log:
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.iokit.IOStorageFamily(1.5.6)@0x6a7000-0x6c7fff
com.apple.BootCache(30.4)@0x65b000-0x660fff
The panic was caused by spotlight's indexing process, being unable to
talk to a HD.
Disable Spotlight's indexing and leave it off.
Need to see the rest of the panic and the related system log.
And after several Restarts, one of which is a {Safeboot, Restart},
things appear normal again (will need to Startup a couple of times to
verify).
I'm wondering if those M-Audio cards are foo'ing the bus. Can you
run a while without them?
Any reasoning why things go awry after turning all strips off, and
unplugging the tower ... then in reverse, starting up again?
Something isn't initializing correctly.
Its probably the M-Audio PCI card. It says from time to time, a driver
piece failed to startup ... there are several files that need to
initialize ... M-Audio keeps telling me no others are reporting such
problems ... ... ...
Could be.
- Dan.
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Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again (Solved?)
On Aug 13, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Dan wrote:
At 10:30 PM -0400 8/12/2009, Bill Connelly wrote:
On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Dan wrote:
At 8:09 PM -0400 8/11/2009, Bill Connelly wrote:
After an electrical storm today, I plugged everything back in,
and I
get the old behavior of several kps on Startup, and after a
Safeboot,
things seem to be ok. Seagate 750GB is not dropping out, though, so
far.
It looks like the BootCache gets messed up. From the Panic Log:
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.iokit.IOStorageFamily(1.5.6)@0x6a7000-0x6c7fff
com.apple.BootCache(30.4)@0x65b000-0x660fff
The panic was caused by spotlight's indexing process, being unable to
talk to a HD.
Disable Spotlight's indexing and leave it off.
To the best of my knowledge, it is off. I noticed mds was trying to
run, but since Spotlight is off using the following commands in
Terminal, I believe it is off. Perhaps it tries to Startup, but failed.
I did turn it back on awhile ago, but at your suggestion, I turned it
back off ...
sudo mdutil -i off /Volumes/Leopard-10.5
sudo mdutil -E /Volumes/Leopard-10.5
sudo mdutil -i off /Volumes/Tiger-10.4.11
sudo mdutil -E /Volumes/Tiger-10.4.11
sudo mdutil -i off /Volumes/APPS
sudo mdutil -E /Volumes/APPS
sudo mdutil -i off /Volumes/DOCS
sudo mdutil -E /Volumes/DOCS
sudo mdutil -i off /Volumes/Classic-9.2.2
sudo mdutil -E /Volumes/Classic-9.2.2
Need to see the rest of the panic and the related system log.
And after several Restarts, one of which is a {Safeboot, Restart},
things appear normal again (will need to Startup a couple of
times to
verify).
I'm wondering if those M-Audio cards are foo'ing the bus. Can you
run a while without them?
Any reasoning why things go awry after turning all strips off, and
unplugging the tower ... then in reverse, starting up again?
Something isn't initializing correctly.
Its probably the M-Audio PCI card. It says from time to time, a
driver
piece failed to startup ... there are several files that need to
initialize ... M-Audio keeps telling me no others are reporting such
problems ... ... ...
Could be.
Just leaving things as is for now ...
As long as I don't turn off the power strip holding the monitor,
amplifier, mixer and yamaha motif digital KB, it doesn't seem to
falter. All my Wall Warts and the Tower are on a main one, which stays
on all the time. Now they both will remain on.
Thanks for looking.
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Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again (Solved?)
On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Dan wrote:
At 8:09 PM -0400 8/11/2009, Bill Connelly wrote:
After an electrical storm today, I plugged everything back in, and I
get the old behavior of several kps on Startup, and after a Safeboot,
things seem to be ok. Seagate 750GB is not dropping out, though, so
far.
It looks like the BootCache gets messed up. From the Panic Log:
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.iokit.IOStorageFamily(1.5.6)@0x6a7000-0x6c7fff
com.apple.BootCache(30.4)@0x65b000-0x660fff
Need to see the rest of the panic and the related system log.
And after several Restarts, one of which is a {Safeboot, Restart},
things appear normal again (will need to Startup a couple of times to
verify).
I'm wondering if those M-Audio cards are foo'ing the bus. Can you
run a while without them?
Any reasoning why things go awry after turning all strips off, and
unplugging the tower ... then in reverse, starting up again?
Something isn't initializing correctly.
Its probably the M-Audio PCI card. It says from time to time, a driver
piece failed to startup ... there are several files that need to
initialize ... M-Audio keeps telling me no others are reporting such
problems ... ... ...
Here's the logs you requested, if you have the time. Last one is the
morning after.
(logs sent to generous with his time Dan)
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Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again (Solved?)
On Aug 10, 2009, at 8:41 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:
On Aug 9, 2009, at 6:47 PM, Dan wrote:
At 2:51 PM -0400 8/9/2009, Bill Connelly wrote:
6. Leaving power to monitor and digital keyboard connected / On.
Perhaps turning all these off with a dedicated power strip / switch
(also a mixer board and amp system) affected the QS's knowledge of
the monitor / ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, giving an occasional ATI card
error?
Can you repeatedly sleep and wake (just) the display successfully?
Shouldn't need to sleep the keyboard.
Without removing the PCI card, I cannot try Sleep since my M-Audio
Delta 2496 does not support it. I believe alone, I was able to Sleep
the monitor off the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro ME.
After an electrical storm today, I plugged everything back in, and I
get the old behavior of several kps on Startup, and after a Safeboot,
things seem to be ok. Seagate 750GB is not dropping out, though, so far.
It looks like the BootCache gets messed up. From the Panic Log:
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.iokit.IOStorageFamily(1.5.6)@0x6a7000-0x6c7fff
com.apple.BootCache(30.4)@0x65b000-0x660fff
And after several Restarts, one of which is a {Safeboot, Restart},
things appear normal again (will need to Startup a couple of times to
verify).
I have logs in a Zip file if anyone wants to take a look.
Any reasoning why things go awry after turning all strips off, and
unplugging the tower ... then in reverse, starting up again?
Thanks
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Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again (Solved?)
I also did a cmd-opt-P-R after several kps on Startup, prior to
getting to the {Safeboot, Restart}, because it looked like i was
getting one kp after another.
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Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again (Solved?)
On Aug 9, 2009, at 6:47 PM, Dan wrote: At 2:51 PM -0400 8/9/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: 6. Leaving power to monitor and digital keyboard connected / On. Perhaps turning all these off with a dedicated power strip / switch (also a mixer board and amp system) affected the QS's knowledge of the monitor / ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, giving an occasional ATI card error? Can you repeatedly sleep and wake (just) the display successfully? Shouldn't need to sleep the keyboard. Without removing the PCI card, I cannot try Sleep since my M-Audio Delta 2496 does not support it. I believe alone, I was able to Sleep the monitor off the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro ME. QS's and FW External drives AC/DC warts are on a separate always on strip (except during passing electrical storms). And to where are all these strips connected - same or different circuits? They're all plugged into the same circuit. They don't all get powered on at the same time, but they run successfully off the same line. I've run into a few situations where people had their systems on one set of power strips, then some peripherals on another set --- each set connecting to a different circuit (breaker). The slight diff in ground potential between the two circuits made things flaky. My setup Startup'ed successfully again tonight. I believe it is finally stable ... at 10.5.7 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again (Solved?)
Regarding the Seagate 7200.10 dropping out ... Looks like things are working now: 1. using power line with double sockets for the hard drive, single socket one for the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro ME 2. put the 750GB Seagate on the lower level of double decker sled 3. using the new 18 IDE cable from the Retail Kit box 4. accept that the M-Audio drivers are a bit flaky ... their Uninstaller doesn't work under 10.5 is one indication and they haven't changed their Installer since 10.4.11 (Jan 2008). Will retain a good backup before trying 10.5.8 ... but, will also wait 'til later! 5. An extension USB cable to my Al Pro KB and Mighty Mouse needed to be taped together ... socket a little too slick. 6. Leaving power to monitor and digital keyboard connected / On. Perhaps turning all these off with a dedicated power strip / switch (also a mixer board and amp system) affected the QS's knowledge of the monitor / ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, giving an occasional ATI card error? QS's and FW External drives AC/DC warts are on a separate always on strip (except during passing electrical storms). Mostly hardware issues ... amongst a flaky driver problem ... still will not behave adding a Sonnet Tango FW/USB PCI ... only operates alone. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again
Bill Connelly wrote: On Aug 1, 2:24 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: Not enough power to run it off the internal power supply? (does a 750GB take more power than a 500GB Seagate?) Try using drive power extensions (probably easier to find splitters) and a pc (AT best because of switch) power supply setting outside your case. Turn the pc ps on before starting Mac This will let you know if the Mac power supply is getting week. Something wrong with the power cable? (it works with a 500GB Seagate 7100.10) A Cable Select cable isn't working with it set as Master (which it should)? (again, it works with a 500GB Seagate 7100.10) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again
On Aug 7, 2009, at 2:46 AM, Dan wrote: At 10:15 PM -0400 8/6/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: On Aug 1, 2:24 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: In my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz under 10.5.7, my 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again. Well it dropped out again. After moving it back from an external FW enclosure, it started up with multiple Bus Errors and eventually dropped off the Desktop. What does it show in the system log? I can't tell. I'll send Dan a copy. I had started Spotlight again, since I had turned it off to simplify things, but I was getting a message like: Aug 7 10:00:18 Moonstone-Art-Studio /Applications/Utilities/ Console.app/Contents/MacOS/Console[285]: installAutoFSMonitor: open failed I have taken to watching Activity Monitor at all Startups / Restarts, and wait for things to calm down before proceeding with any Restarts, etc. What can be said about a drive that works in an external FW enclosure, but drops off an internal mobo ATA channel? If it was working ok in the external box, then the drive itself is ok. Not enough power to run it off the internal power supply? (does a 750GB take more power than a 500GB Seagate?) According to the Seagate 7200.10 specs, the 500 and 750GB drives are essentially identical. In my QS, the 500 works, but this 750 drops out ... Something wrong with the power cable? (it works with a 500GB Seagate 7100.10) I am now trying a simple switch of the internal power cables ... I was using the single plug one for my hard drive, and the double plug one for my ATI Radeon 9800Pro. Logically, I should have been using them in reverse ... which I am now doing, in the event of adding another drive on the dual layer sled. A Cable Select cable isn't working with it set as Master (which it should)? (again, it works with a 500GB Seagate 7100.10) Enough to say drive is bad? Power should be ok. How 'bout internal temp? Could the drive be that much hotter etc? I have the drive mounted on the top level of the double layer sled. Sits directly under the fan. Think this is the coolest position possible ... Do you have a different IDE cable you can try? I have a different CS cable borrowed from my Digital Audio, which worked with the 500GB but not the 750GB one. Currently trying the double ended power cable setup ... so far no drop out ... but ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again
No, if the drive works fine outside the QS, it is definitely not the drive. It most likely is the ATA bus inside your QS, very likely since you mentioned having problems with cable select. There's a SLIGHT chance it could be power problems, but that's not very likely. Try another drive inside the QS, see if it has the same problems. On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Bill Connellybillycarm...@verizon.net wrote: On Aug 1, 2:24 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: In my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz under 10.5.7, my 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again. Well it dropped out again. After moving it back from an external FW enclosure, it started up with multiple Bus Errors and eventually dropped off the Desktop. No PCI cards ... just the ATI Radeon 9800Pro. What can be said about a drive that works in an external FW enclosure, but drops off an internal mobo ATA channel? Not enough power to run it off the internal power supply? (does a 750GB take more power than a 500GB Seagate?) Something wrong with the power cable? (it works with a 500GB Seagate 7100.10) A Cable Select cable isn't working with it set as Master (which it should)? (again, it works with a 500GB Seagate 7100.10) Enough to say drive is bad? -- Chance Reecher 765-4609 491-2286 cnrtechh...@gmail.com AIM: cnrtechhead --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again
On Aug 7, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Chance Reecher wrote: No, if the drive works fine outside the QS, it is definitely not the drive. It most likely is the ATA bus inside your QS, very likely since you mentioned having problems with cable select. There's a SLIGHT chance it could be power problems, but that's not very likely. Try another drive inside the QS, see if it has the same problems. Another Seagate PATA 7200.10 (500GB in lieu of the 750GB) had no problems. Anything different about the hard disk channel use on an internal mobo vrs the external FW? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again
On Aug 7, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: On Aug 7, 2009, at 2:46 AM, Dan wrote: How 'bout internal temp? Could the drive be that much hotter etc? I have the drive mounted on the top level of the double layer sled. Sits directly under the fan. Think this is the coolest position possible ... Could the drive overheat sitting too close to the fan casing? About 1/3 of the harddrive is covered by this casing, about 1/8 above the drive case. Maybe I should move it to the lower level of the double decker sled? Do you have a different IDE cable you can try? I have a different CS cable borrowed from my Digital Audio, which worked with the 500GB but not the 750GB one. Currently trying the double ended power cable setup ... so far no drop out ... but ... Is there any difference between the single plug power cable coming out of the bunch from the power supply, versus the double plug cable coming from the same bunch? So far testing seems to show a good connection, but we'll need to wait and see. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again
There is no difference between the cables coming out of your power supply. They all connect at the same place inside it. Currently trying the double ended power cable setup ... so far no drop out ... but ... Is there any difference between the single plug power cable coming out of the bunch from the power supply, versus the double plug cable coming from the same bunch? -- Chance Reecher 765-4609 491-2286 cnrtechh...@gmail.com AIM: cnrtechhead --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again
At 10:20 AM -0400 8/7/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: On Aug 7, 2009, at 2:46 AM, Dan wrote: At 10:15 PM -0400 8/6/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: On Aug 1, 2:24 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: In my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz under 10.5.7, my 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again. Well it dropped out again. After moving it back from an external FW enclosure, it started up with multiple Bus Errors and eventually dropped off the Desktop. What does it show in the system log? I can't tell. I'll send Dan a copy. I had started Spotlight again, since I had turned it off to simplify things, but I was getting a message like: Aug 7 10:00:18 Moonstone-Art-Studio /Applications/Utilities/ Console.app/Contents/MacOS/Console[285]: installAutoFSMonitor: open failed Turn Spotlight's indexing OFF. Leave it OFF. Simplify the problem. If you're having problems with a HD, the LAST thing you want is something perusing and WRITING to it all the time. That's a sure way to corrupt things. Looking thru the log you sent. Jul 28 00:00:13 Moonstone-Art-Studio kernel[0]: IOATAController device blocking bus. Not good. That and other messages point to the data path between the bus and the drive being foo - iow, replace that cable etc. There are so many write type failures in the log... Can't really tell if it's corrupted or not, but I'm thinking it might not be a good idea to trust the data thereon anymore. Once you get the hardware issues settled, erase then reload it from your backup. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again
On Aug 7, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Dan wrote: At 10:20 AM -0400 8/7/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: On Aug 7, 2009, at 2:46 AM, Dan wrote: At 10:15 PM -0400 8/6/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: On Aug 1, 2:24 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: In my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz under 10.5.7, my 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again. Well it dropped out again. After moving it back from an external FW enclosure, it started up with multiple Bus Errors and eventually dropped off the Desktop. What does it show in the system log? I can't tell. I'll send Dan a copy. I had started Spotlight again, since I had turned it off to simplify things, but I was getting a message like: Aug 7 10:00:18 Moonstone-Art-Studio /Applications/Utilities/ Console.app/Contents/MacOS/Console[285]: installAutoFSMonitor: open failed Turn Spotlight's indexing OFF. Leave it OFF. Simplify the problem. If you're having problems with a HD, the LAST thing you want is something perusing and WRITING to it all the time. That's a sure way to corrupt things. Will do after it has indexed ... already started when I got your response ... Looking thru the log you sent. Jul 28 00:00:13 Moonstone-Art-Studio kernel[0]: IOATAController device blocking bus. Not good. That and other messages point to the data path between the bus and the drive being foo - iow, replace that cable etc. There are so many write type failures in the log... Can't really tell if it's corrupted or not, but I'm thinking it might not be a good idea to trust the data thereon anymore. Once you get the hardware issues settled, erase then reload it from your backup. Thank You for scanning the log. Weird how I didn't get the dropout of the 500GB Seagate, but I only got it with the 750GB ... same changed out mobo ATA cable. And since both drives performed well in the external FW enclosure, I suspect a problem with the 750GB circuitry? Make any sense? Possible the same drive would work on an external but not internally? I seem to remember someone suspecting externals possibly had better/stronger power flow, so one drive might not work internally, but would come alive externally. It hasn't dropped out since moving it to the double plug power line, and I've run Intech's Integrity simultaneously on 2 separate partitions, while running Activity Monitor continuously, while copying a DVD across the Network, and checking Mail. Guess I should suspect possibility of faulty data on all partitions? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again
At 2:52 PM -0400 8/7/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: I had started Spotlight again, since I had turned it off to simplify things, but I was getting a message like: Aug 7 10:00:18 Moonstone-Art-Studio /Applications/Utilities/ Console.app/Contents/MacOS/Console[285]: installAutoFSMonitor: open failed Turn Spotlight's indexing OFF. Leave it OFF. Simplify the problem. If you're having problems with a HD, the LAST thing you want is something perusing and WRITING to it all the time. That's a sure way to corrupt things. Will do after it has indexed ... already started when I got your response ... Check the system log. If you see even ONE error being thrown stop the indexing NOW. Weird how I didn't get the dropout of the 500GB Seagate, but I only got it with the 750GB ... same changed out mobo ATA cable. Is everything equal between the two drives - same exact buffering and raw performance? Could be that the newer drive is just able to push data faster, causing the marginal cable to fail. And since both drives performed well in the external FW enclosure, I suspect a problem with the 750GB circuitry? Make any sense? It makes more sense to me that it's a marginal IDE cable. Those types of errors... would be noticed while in the external box too, if it was the drive mechanism. Guess I should suspect possibility of faulty data on all partitions? yes. At this point. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again
On Aug 7, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Dan wrote: Is everything equal between the two drives - same exact buffering and raw performance? Could be that the newer drive is just able to push data faster, causing the marginal cable to fail. Everything is the same between the 2 Seagate 7200.10 PATA drives except: Size Heads/Disks 750GB 8/4 500GB 6/3 Pretty near the same data on both, except for the OS X 10.5.7 on the QS has the M-Audio drivers ( ... .?. ... ). I was using the supplied IDE mobo cables (short 6 CS ones). Tried borrowing a replacement one from my Digital Audio. I've switched to the longer 18 one supplied in my Retail Kit box, even though I didn't seem to be getting any errors after I switched to the double socket power line ... Now I decided to CCC my backup 10.5.7 to the 750GB partition (done), and I have added back the M-Audio Delta 2496 PCI card. Not sure about cloning back the other partitions: Apps, Docs, Tiger 10.4.11 and Classic 9.2.2 ... probably so. Seems to be working first few Startups. We'll see ... 1 kp after a Safe Boot, while running Activity monitor, but seems level now on Restart. Rebuilt kextcache on Restart, according to Activity Monitor. thanks for your help. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again
On Aug 3, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: On Aug 3, 2009, at 11:08 AM, trag wrote: On Aug 1, 2:24 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: In my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz under 10.5.7, my 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again. Had this issue before ... wondering if its time to get a replacement from Seagate? Its only a year old, with very low use. Used it as an external FW drive, but reformatted and cloned all partitions back awhile ago for use as an internal drive. I continue to experiment with the 750GB drive. Externally, it appeared to be functioning, with the exception of a BootCache.playlist issue. I think that is causing the occasional Startup kp which seems to point to my Slot 3 M-Audio card one time, and my AGP Slot 1 ATI Radeon 9800Pro at other times. With that out of the way, I might be able to determine why it shut down awhile ago ... fairly regularly. My system froze this last time as well. M-Audio card? When I recently moved the 750GB back inside off the mobo, I started getting Bus Errors pointing to Slot 3 (I think) which is the M-Audio card slot. If anyone is interested, I have a series of logs (system, panic, and others) that show the log details. Next Step: Remove the Slot 3 M-Audio card and see if I can run for awhile without errors. Perhaps I just need to reseat it, and/or move it to another slot. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again
On Aug 1, 2:24 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: In my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz under 10.5.7, my 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again. Well it dropped out again. After moving it back from an external FW enclosure, it started up with multiple Bus Errors and eventually dropped off the Desktop. No PCI cards ... just the ATI Radeon 9800Pro. What can be said about a drive that works in an external FW enclosure, but drops off an internal mobo ATA channel? Not enough power to run it off the internal power supply? (does a 750GB take more power than a 500GB Seagate?) Something wrong with the power cable? (it works with a 500GB Seagate 7100.10) A Cable Select cable isn't working with it set as Master (which it should)? (again, it works with a 500GB Seagate 7100.10) Enough to say drive is bad? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again
On Aug 1, 2:24 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: In my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz under 10.5.7, my 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again. Had this issue before ... wondering if its time to get a replacement from Seagate? Its only a year old, with very low use. Used it as an external FW drive, but reformatted and cloned all partitions back awhile ago for use as an internal drive. Do you hear the drive spin down and spin back up, or making clicking sounds like that is happening? I think these new drives may be too quiet to actually hear them spin down and up. I had similar problems a few years ago with a drive dropping in and out. It turned out to be the power supply connector in the computer. I sent three drives in for warranty replacement before my brain turned on, and I tried testing the suspect drives on a different machine, where they worked perfectly. At that point I realized that the latest failure wasn't and replaced the power connector. I had still needlessly replaced the earlier drives, though. The earlier poster's suggestion of trying it in your firewire enclosure again, is also a good way to test it. I also wonder if a fault in your optical drive (or its power connector) on the same bus could be causing the issue. Jeff Walther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again
On Aug 3, 2009, at 11:08 AM, trag wrote: On Aug 1, 2:24 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: In my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz under 10.5.7, my 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again. Had this issue before ... wondering if its time to get a replacement from Seagate? Its only a year old, with very low use. Used it as an external FW drive, but reformatted and cloned all partitions back awhile ago for use as an internal drive. Do you hear the drive spin down and spin back up, or making clicking sounds like that is happening? I think these new drives may be too quiet to actually hear them spin down and up. I had similar problems a few years ago with a drive dropping in and out. It turned out to be the power supply connector in the computer. I sent three drives in for warranty replacement before my brain turned on, and I tried testing the suspect drives on a different machine, where they worked perfectly. At that point I realized that the latest failure wasn't and replaced the power connector. I had still needlessly replaced the earlier drives, though. The earlier poster's suggestion of trying it in your firewire enclosure again, is also a good way to test it. I also wonder if a fault in your optical drive (or its power connector) on the same bus could be causing the issue. Just seems to click off ... I know the sound of a failing drive ... multiple R/W attempts. I'm currently testing the 750GB Seagate in an external FW enclosure. Got a kp on first attempt to Startup using System Preferences Startup Disk to change over to the 750GB in the external enclosure. Then, I restarted using a Tiger partition, and it now seems to be working ... Spotlight indexing seems awfully slow, though. A clone of the OS X 10.5.7 that failed on the 750GB drive, both from the mobo, and from the enclosure, works from another 80GB drive in another FW enclosure (my backup of the 750GB drives Leopard partition) ... A replacement 500GB drive is now working with the same ATA cable and power connector as the 750GB was failing inside the QS, but it has different copy of the OS X 10.5.7 (its my backup drive from my Digital Audio Dual 533). I don't know what to conclude quite yet ... I have replaced the 750GB drive's Leopard partition once before, but may try again, using a CCC clone from the 80GB backup drive that does work with the backup copy of the 10.5.7 partition from the 750GB drive. Thanks for everyone's responses ... just taking me awhile to get at it ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again
On 8/1/09 2:20 PM, Chance Reecher wrote: Have you tried putting it back into the firewire enclosure and seeing if it still drops out? That'll tell you if it's the drive or something on your motherboard. Have you tested other drives inside the computer on the same ATA bus as the 750 that is dropping out? On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Bill Connellybillycarm...@verizon.net wrote: In my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz under 10.5.7, my 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again. Details of drive: ST3750640A 7200.10 750GB Master setting and on last black connector of cable. Had this issue before ... wondering if its time to get a replacement from Seagate? Its only a year old, with very low use. Used it as an external FW drive, but reformatted and cloned all partitions back awhile ago for use as an internal drive. I've replaced the mobo awhile ago as well, and just switched in the Apple supplied ATA cable from another Mac, thinking it is a defective cable. New RAM tests OK. I hear a definitive multi/single-click, like either the DVD RW and/ or Zip Drive is shutting down, then I get a spinning beach ball ... then the QS just freezes at that point, or continues to spin the beach ball. Bill I'm very familiar with this multi/single click on my Dell. First I thought it was heat. But I went in there and moved drives around; changed jumpers is what I mean by that. Try putting the HD on its on bus and see what happens. I also thought my machine was short on power but it's happy after moving things around. My QS seems to function ok from a clone of the OS X 10.5.7 on an external FW enclosure. Having replaced the DVD RW awhile ago, maybe I didn't have it Jumpered properly? (checking) Ideas? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again
On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: ST3750640A 7200.10 750GB It's a decent series of drives. I believe the HDA unit is the same between ATA (suffix A) and SATA (suffix AS). The logic board is where there is a difference. The 640 indicates the basic model, and I have had good luck with 640s. I've used the ATA version in Hackintoshes, but I now prefer my Hacks to be all-SATA. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again
Have you tried putting it back into the firewire enclosure and seeing if it still drops out? That'll tell you if it's the drive or something on your motherboard. Have you tested other drives inside the computer on the same ATA bus as the 750 that is dropping out? On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Bill Connellybillycarm...@verizon.net wrote: In my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz under 10.5.7, my 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again. Details of drive: ST3750640A 7200.10 750GB Master setting and on last black connector of cable. Had this issue before ... wondering if its time to get a replacement from Seagate? Its only a year old, with very low use. Used it as an external FW drive, but reformatted and cloned all partitions back awhile ago for use as an internal drive. I've replaced the mobo awhile ago as well, and just switched in the Apple supplied ATA cable from another Mac, thinking it is a defective cable. New RAM tests OK. I hear a definitive multi/single-click, like either the DVD RW and/ or Zip Drive is shutting down, then I get a spinning beach ball ... then the QS just freezes at that point, or continues to spin the beach ball. My QS seems to function ok from a clone of the OS X 10.5.7 on an external FW enclosure. Having replaced the DVD RW awhile ago, maybe I didn't have it Jumpered properly? (checking) Ideas? -- Chance Reecher 765-4609 491-2286 cnrtechh...@gmail.com AIM: cnrtechhead --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
