Re: Bad Video Card?
On Feb 2, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 27, 2012, at 4:04 PM, John Carmonne wrote: I think the smell may be from solder flux left over from the flashing process. The flashing process does not involve soldering at all, but is accomplished by software on a PC... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs My video card has 3 soldered points on it. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA From TiBook 867 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
On 06/02/2012 07:23, t...@io.com t...@prismnet.com wrote: The HP Fire GL X3 has two DVI ports and has the dedicated DVI chip on board. Apparently, conversion of the Fire GL X3 does yield two working DVI ports. It may require the full Mac firmware (Flash chip replacement) to get that functionality. I can't remember any more. H my memory is hazy too but I think the Fire GL X3 can be converted with a X800/X850 bios to become a mac X800 with twin DVI and SLI though whether it also has twin vga too is something I don't know. They used to be horrifically expensive for experimenting on but seem to be more reasonable now - is this one? http://tinyurl.com/6m57q28 Has the X800 bios number but looks very like a Fire GL...no mention of taping pins either so it must be fixed at 4x agp to boot at all in a G4 - hard cheese for any buyer with an 8x agp G5... Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
On Feb 6, 5:00 pm, faithie999 faithie...@hotmail.com wrote: what is the URL you used to find the strangedog site? thanks!! http://strangedogs.proboards.com/index.cgi Please trim your quoted text when posting. You really didn't need to include my entire previous message you ask such a short question. Thank you. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
what is the URL you used to find the strangedog site? thanks!! On Feb 6, 2:23 am, t...@io.com t...@prismnet.com wrote: On Feb 4, 1:49 pm, Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it wrote: Il giorno 4-02-2012 10:54, pdimage ha scritto: Both the X800 and the X850 will convert to mac but I gather they are very troublesome and the dvi port never works as far as I know. As far as I can remember, the problem with a flashed PC X800 DVI port is it won't drive a DVI monitor, but it will still work with a VGA one (provided you use a DVI to VGA adapter on the port, of course). In other words, after flashing the card, the two display ports still work, but only for VGA monitors. I'm not 100% sure, but that's what I understood after getting an used PC X800 for 25£. (I didn't flash it yet, though, because it's working in my gaming PC right now :-) I went and read the 29 page thread about X800/X850 conversion on Strange Dogs. Themacelite forum may be gone, but Strange Dogs is still around. Yay! According to the long thread, things are as the previous poster wrote. As with many of these conversions, there's a reduced Firmware to fit in the PC 64K Flash. The full Mac Firmware requires a 128K flash chip, which usually means replacing the 64K Flash chip on the PC versions of the card. The X800 and X850 can be converted, but while the PC models have one DVI port and one VGA port, the DVI port will only work with a DVI to VGA adapter. The reason is that the GPU has the circuitry for the DVI (or ADC) output built in. On an Apple card with ADC/DVI outputs, the card uses the built-in circuitry to drive the ADC port and there is a separate Silicon Images DVI chip on the card to drive the DVI port. So, Apple card: ADC port driven by GPU. DVI port driven by dedicated chip. PC card: DVI port driven by GPU. VGA port doesn't need extra circuitry. And when you replace the PC X800/X850 BIOS with Mac Firmware, it tries to program the GPU to output ADC format to the DVI port -- which doesn't work. And there's no dedicated chip to drive DVI on the other port, and there's just a VGA connector there anyway. Now, ADC is electrically compatible with DVI. The converters between the two just rearrange the wires. They don't massage the signals -- except that DVI to ADC requires the addition of the 28V supply. So this suggests that the DVI port on a converted X800/X850 probably has the proper signals, but on the wrong pins. The HP Fire GL X3 has two DVI ports and has the dedicated DVI chip on board. Apparently, conversion of the Fire GL X3 does yield two working DVI ports. It may require the full Mac firmware (Flash chip replacement) to get that functionality. I can't remember any more. The Fire card is rated for a slower clock speed than the X850XT PE but gets good benchmarks, nevertheless. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
On Feb 4, 1:49 pm, Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it wrote: Il giorno 4-02-2012 10:54, pdimage ha scritto: Both the X800 and the X850 will convert to mac but I gather they are very troublesome and the dvi port never works as far as I know. As far as I can remember, the problem with a flashed PC X800 DVI port is it won't drive a DVI monitor, but it will still work with a VGA one (provided you use a DVI to VGA adapter on the port, of course). In other words, after flashing the card, the two display ports still work, but only for VGA monitors. I'm not 100% sure, but that's what I understood after getting an used PC X800 for 25£. (I didn't flash it yet, though, because it's working in my gaming PC right now :-) I went and read the 29 page thread about X800/X850 conversion on Strange Dogs. Themacelite forum may be gone, but Strange Dogs is still around. Yay! According to the long thread, things are as the previous poster wrote. As with many of these conversions, there's a reduced Firmware to fit in the PC 64K Flash. The full Mac Firmware requires a 128K flash chip, which usually means replacing the 64K Flash chip on the PC versions of the card. The X800 and X850 can be converted, but while the PC models have one DVI port and one VGA port, the DVI port will only work with a DVI to VGA adapter. The reason is that the GPU has the circuitry for the DVI (or ADC) output built in. On an Apple card with ADC/DVI outputs, the card uses the built-in circuitry to drive the ADC port and there is a separate Silicon Images DVI chip on the card to drive the DVI port. So, Apple card: ADC port driven by GPU. DVI port driven by dedicated chip. PC card: DVI port driven by GPU. VGA port doesn't need extra circuitry. And when you replace the PC X800/X850 BIOS with Mac Firmware, it tries to program the GPU to output ADC format to the DVI port -- which doesn't work. And there's no dedicated chip to drive DVI on the other port, and there's just a VGA connector there anyway. Now, ADC is electrically compatible with DVI. The converters between the two just rearrange the wires. They don't massage the signals -- except that DVI to ADC requires the addition of the 28V supply. So this suggests that the DVI port on a converted X800/X850 probably has the proper signals, but on the wrong pins. The HP Fire GL X3 has two DVI ports and has the dedicated DVI chip on board. Apparently, conversion of the Fire GL X3 does yield two working DVI ports. It may require the full Mac firmware (Flash chip replacement) to get that functionality. I can't remember any more. The Fire card is rated for a slower clock speed than the X850XT PE but gets good benchmarks, nevertheless. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
On 03/02/2012 17:04, t...@io.com t...@prismnet.com wrote: Do you know if the X800 has the ROM lock feature. Thomas Perrier's site seems to be specific to the R9800. I have a few X800/X850s kicking around I've been meaning to convert. I thought all I'd need to do is replace the flash chip. If this ROM lock thing is on that card too, I can see where that would have been just an exercise in frustration. It's too bad that themacelite's forums went down. There was some great information in there. Do you know if there's an archive available? Jeff Walther Hi Jeff, Both the X800 and the X850 will convert to mac but I gather they are very troublesome and the dvi port never works as far as I know. Worth a try for the vga I suppose as they are very powerful 8x agp. Both cards have a new kind of rom lock which protects 'parts' of the pc rom from being overwritten - so any ordinary flash on a PC in dos results in a garbage bios unless a new command line instruction (I can't remember it though) is used during the flash. The best way to flash X800/X850 cards is apparently blind in a mac with Panther (Panther will boot with an unconverted card in) using vnc - or something like that - it's a while ago. Aquamac's site and forum is the place to go for method - I just looked and it's still therethe Bliss 7800GS 512MB card is also featured - that IS a nice card! http://www.s155158671.websitehome.co.uk/macx800xtaqua-ma.html http://www.s155158671.websitehome.co.uk/gainward7800gs51.html I think strangedogs forum is still limping along too.. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
Il giorno 4-02-2012 10:54, pdimage ha scritto: Both the X800 and the X850 will convert to mac but I gather they are very troublesome and the dvi port never works as far as I know. As far as I can remember, the problem with a flashed PC X800 DVI port is it won't drive a DVI monitor, but it will still work with a VGA one (provided you use a DVI to VGA adapter on the port, of course). In other words, after flashing the card, the two display ports still work, but only for VGA monitors. I'm not 100% sure, but that's what I understood after getting an used PC X800 for 25£. (I didn't flash it yet, though, because it's working in my gaming PC right now :-) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
On 02/02/2012 16:30, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: The flashing process does not involve soldering at all, but is accomplished by software on a PC... -- ErrThat's not quite true Bruceflashing from PC to mac bios has always involved soldering since the introduction of rom locks on the Radeon cards. The hardware lock is achieved with tiny resistors and effectively blocks any flash larger than 64KB - PC size - whereas the mac rom is 128KB. In addition to the lock the SO8 8 pin soic bios chip itself - such as the ST brand M25P05 may only take 64KB of data max so to achieve a full mac rom flash it must be exchanged for a 128KB soic chip - the M25P10. Soic chip info http://themacelite.wikidot.com/rom-s Resistor lock info http://thomas.perrier.name/otherStuff/ati9800convertEN.html However - I doubt the card would get hot enough around the SO8 to smoulder any remaining flux. Pete - 62 years old today - I might scoff a beer or two later..I wonder how long I've been on the low end mac mail lists - is there a way to find out? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
On Feb 3, 3:12 am, pdimage pdim...@btinternet.com wrote: ErrThat's not quite true Bruceflashing from PC to mac bios has always involved soldering since the introduction of rom locks on the Radeon cards. The hardware lock is achieved with tiny resistors and effectively blocks any flash larger than 64KB - PC size - whereas the mac rom is 128KB. Resistor lock info http://thomas.perrier.name/otherStuff/ati9800convertEN.html However - I doubt the card would get hot enough around the SO8 to smoulder any remaining flux. Do you know if the X800 has the ROM lock feature. Thomas Perrier's site seems to be specific to the R9800. I have a few X800/X850s kicking around I've been meaning to convert. I thought all I'd need to do is replace the flash chip. If this ROM lock thing is on that card too, I can see where that would have been just an exercise in frustration. It's too bad that themacelite's forums went down. There was some great information in there. Do you know if there's an archive available? Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card too?
On Jan 28, 2012, at 6:29 AM, DBS-Designs by Skip wrote: If I might ask a few questions about this, that would be awesome. My G5 seems to have issues that may be the video card? - The screen gets lines in it - The screen will get blotches in it. The windows get distorted and weird. - It doesn't always come up on start up. It appears to be running, but nothing on the monitor (30 Apple) - Most of the time on restart it comes up, sometimes I need to do this 2,3 or even 4 times. Less times, the longer I wait. - Watching video's / movies online causes it to freeze - Sometimes when working in any of the drawing applications, there will be blotches of colors showing up that I can get rid of by resetting the window size. These do come back the longer I'm working in that application and the longer my Mac has been on. - Fast movement of the mouse or going into the corners can cause this to happen as well. Your thoughts folks? Yep video card problems. I'd make sure it's not a driver issue, but re-installing the driver if one is available (or re-installing the latest combo update for your OS) but all of those symptoms point to video issues rather than monitor issues. If you can swap in a known-good monitor and cable, that would be definitive. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
On Jan 27, 2012, at 4:04 PM, John Carmonne wrote: I think the smell may be from solder flux left over from the flashing process. The flashing process does not involve soldering at all, but is accomplished by software on a PC... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
On 27/01/2012 21:08, Michael McMurtrey skyking...@verizon.net wrote: i recently purchased a Radeon 9800 Pro video card from an ebay seller. It was advertised as 256 Mb VRAM, and there is indeed a sticker on the card which identifies it as such. However, after installation, System Profiler reports it as 128 Mb VRAM, not 256, and there is a distinct hot, ozone smell coming from the computer. Upon reinstallation of the original video card, the smell has disappeared. What's the consensus? Is this card defective? It's probably a flashed PC card - and perhaps flashed with the wrong bios if the full memory is not showing in profiler. If the original manuf sticker is intact the card can be identified with the 102 number from it at this page... http://apps.ati.com/102lookup/ fixing a bios mismatch can be problematic so I should return it as faulty. Is it possible this isn't a Mac card, but rather a PC card? As I recall, it was possible to convert the PC cards into Mac cards, but you had to solder several 10K Ohm resistors over to alternate positions, like jumpers. If you didn't solder these, it was possible to burn-out something on the card. See this: Resoldering these jumpers is purely in order to remove the 64k bios flash lock to enable a 128k bios flash for macs as the PC bios is 64k or less. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
Thanks to those who responded to this inquiry. The card is clearly an original Mac card; the bar code label which contains the serial number also contains the description Radeon 9800 Pro MAC 256M. The seller offers a-7-day money back guarantee, so I will return it. Thanks again for the help, everybody. This is a great group, and not the first time I've received assistance from it. Michael McMurtrey Carrollton, TX On Jan 28, 2012, at 5:02 AM, g3-5-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Today's Topic Summary Group: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/topics Bad Video Card? [6 Updates] Bad Video Card? Michael McMurtrey skyking...@verizon.net Jan 27 03:08PM -0600 i recently purchased a Radeon 9800 Pro video card from an ebay seller. It was advertised as 256 Mb VRAM, and there is indeed a sticker on the card which identifies it as such. However, after installation, System Profiler reports it as 128 Mb VRAM, not 256, and there is a distinct hot, ozone smell coming from the computer. Upon reinstallation of the original video card, the smell has disappeared. What's the consensus? Is this card defective? System specs: Machine Name: Power Mac G4 Machine Model: PowerMac3,6 CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (3.3) Number Of CPUs: 2 CPU Speed: 1.25 GHz L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB L3 Cache (per CPU): 2 MB Memory: 1.5 GB Bus Speed: 167 MHz Boot ROM Version: 4.4.8f2 Serial Number: XB40905UQ6P Michael McMurtrey Carrollton, TX slvrmoonti...@yahoo.com Jan 27 09:47PM I would send it back if you are able as card does not function as it should. If it was AS IS then your pretty much stuck. -Original Message- From: Michael McMurtrey skyking...@verizon.net Sender: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:08:48 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Bad Video Card? i recently purchased a Radeon 9800 Pro video card from an ebay seller. It was advertised as 256 Mb VRAM, and there is indeed a sticker on the card which identifies it as such. However, after installation, System Profiler reports it as 128 Mb VRAM, not 256, and there is a distinct hot, ozone smell coming from the computer. Upon reinstallation of the original video card, the smell has disappeared. What's the consensus? Is this card defective? System specs: Machine Name: Power Mac G4 Machine Model: PowerMac3,6 CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (3.3) Number Of CPUs: 2 CPU Speed: 1.25 GHz L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB L3 Cache (per CPU): 2 MB Memory: 1.5 GB Bus Speed: 167 MHz Boot ROM Version: 4.4.8f2 Serial Number: XB40905UQ6P Michael McMurtrey Carrollton, TX -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net Jan 27 04:00PM -0600 On Jan 27, 2012, at 3:08 PM, Michael McMurtrey wrote: Upon reinstallation of the original video card, the smell has disappeared. What's the consensus? Is this card defective? Is it possible this isn't a Mac card, but rather a PC card? As I recall, it was possible to convert the PC cards into Mac cards, but you had to solder several 10K Ohm resistors over to alternate positions, like jumpers. If you didn't solder these, it was possible to burn-out something on the card. See this: http://thomas.perrier.name/otherStuff/ati9800convertEN.html Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu Jan 27 03:42PM -0700 On Jan 27, 2012, at 2:08 PM, Michael McMurtrey wrote: i recently purchased a Radeon 9800 Pro video card from an ebay seller. It was advertised as 256 Mb VRAM, and there is indeed a sticker on the card which identifies it as such. However, after installation, System Profiler reports it as 128 Mb VRAM, not 256, and there is a distinct hot, ozone smell coming from the computer. Magic smoke smell is always bad. I'd return the card and not risk messing up the computer by trying it further. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs Barry Levine barrylev...@norwoodlight.com Jan 27 07:38PM -0500 on 1/27/12 4:47 PM, slvrmoonti...@yahoo.com at slvrmoonti...@yahoo.com wrote: I would send it back if you are able as card does not function as it should. If it was AS IS then your pretty much stuck. From: Michael McMurtrey skyking...@verizon.net True. But Ebay sellers like to avoid the negative ratings. Even for something sold AS IS, unless it was dirt-cheap and clearly a case of caveat emptor. Barry pdimage pdim...@btinternet.com Jan 28 08:56AM the computer. Upon reinstallation of
Re: Bad Video Card?
-- Original message -- Subject: Bad Video Card? Date:Friday, 27. January 2012 From:Michael McMurtrey skyking...@verizon.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com i recently purchased a Radeon 9800 Pro video card from an ebay seller. It was advertised as 256 Mb VRAM, and there is indeed a sticker on the card which identifies it as such. However, after installation, System Profiler reports it as 128 Mb VRAM, not 256, and there is a distinct hot, ozone smell coming from the computer. Upon reinstallation of the original video card, the smell has disappeared. What's the consensus? Is this card defective? I don’t think so. Please read this: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1469304?start=0tstart=0 Please download the ATI drivers/utilities and use ATI Displays, which should tell you the real VRAM size. I used a Radeon X1900 Mac Edition which had the same issue. System specs: Machine Name: Power Mac G4 Machine Model: PowerMac3,6 CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (3.3) Number Of CPUs:2 CPU Speed: 1.25 GHz L2 Cache (per CPU):256 KB L3 Cache (per CPU):2 MB Memory:1.5 GB Bus Speed: 167 MHz Boot ROM Version: 4.4.8f2 Nice specs! Is it the original MDD or the FW800? Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Bad Video Card? Date:Saturday, 28. January 2012 From:Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Please download the ATI drivers/utilities and use ATI Displays, which should tell you the real VRAM size. This is the link: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/macosx10-4x-3x-radeon.aspx -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
On Jan 28, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: I don’t think so. Please read this: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1469304?start=0tstart=0 Please download the ATI drivers/utilities and use ATI Displays, which should tell you the real VRAM size. I used a Radeon X1900 Mac Edition which had the same issue. Including the burning electronics smell? People are focusing on the memory discrepancy without thinking about 'Hey, it's almost ON FIRE!' Electronics that have been in use should not smell like that. Brand-new, never-powered-up devices may smell like that from residual surface gunk left over from manufacturing, but that should be long, long gone in this case. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Bad Video Card? Date:Saturday, 28. January 2012 From:Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com I used a Radeon X1900 Mac Edition which had the same issue. Including the burning electronics smell? Okay, you have a point here. People are focusing on the memory discrepancy without thinking about 'Hey, it's almost ON FIRE!' My card did not smell. It just stopped working in my G5 so I’m now back to the original non-upgraded GeForce 6600LE. Electronics that have been in use should not smell like that. Brand-new, never-powered-up devices may smell like that from residual surface gunk left over from manufacturing, but that should be long, long gone in this case. You’re right of course. I wouldn’t use this card again as it may break the entire system “when it goes”. In my case I would just try it in one of my spare G4’s and leave the case open to see what’s going on… If it breaks the entire system, well, since I have too much of them G4’s anyway… Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
I would send it back if you are able as card does not function as it should. If it was AS IS then your pretty much stuck. -Original Message- From: Michael McMurtrey skyking...@verizon.net Sender: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:08:48 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Bad Video Card? i recently purchased a Radeon 9800 Pro video card from an ebay seller. It was advertised as 256 Mb VRAM, and there is indeed a sticker on the card which identifies it as such. However, after installation, System Profiler reports it as 128 Mb VRAM, not 256, and there is a distinct hot, ozone smell coming from the computer. Upon reinstallation of the original video card, the smell has disappeared. What's the consensus? Is this card defective? System specs: Machine Name: Power Mac G4 Machine Model: PowerMac3,6 CPU Type:PowerPC G4 (3.3) Number Of CPUs: 2 CPU Speed: 1.25 GHz L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB L3 Cache (per CPU): 2 MB Memory: 1.5 GB Bus Speed: 167 MHz Boot ROM Version:4.4.8f2 Serial Number: XB40905UQ6P Michael McMurtrey Carrollton, TX -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
On Jan 27, 2012, at 3:08 PM, Michael McMurtrey wrote: i recently purchased a Radeon 9800 Pro video card from an ebay seller. It was advertised as 256 Mb VRAM, and there is indeed a sticker on the card which identifies it as such. However, after installation, System Profiler reports it as 128 Mb VRAM, not 256, and there is a distinct hot, ozone smell coming from the computer. Upon reinstallation of the original video card, the smell has disappeared. What's the consensus? Is this card defective? Is it possible this isn't a Mac card, but rather a PC card? As I recall, it was possible to convert the PC cards into Mac cards, but you had to solder several 10K Ohm resistors over to alternate positions, like jumpers. If you didn't solder these, it was possible to burn-out something on the card. See this: http://thomas.perrier.name/otherStuff/ati9800convertEN.html -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
On Jan 27, 2012, at 2:08 PM, Michael McMurtrey wrote: i recently purchased a Radeon 9800 Pro video card from an ebay seller. It was advertised as 256 Mb VRAM, and there is indeed a sticker on the card which identifies it as such. However, after installation, System Profiler reports it as 128 Mb VRAM, not 256, and there is a distinct hot, ozone smell coming from the computer. Magic smoke smell is always bad. I'd return the card and not risk messing up the computer by trying it further. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
on 1/27/12 4:47 PM, slvrmoonti...@yahoo.com at slvrmoonti...@yahoo.com wrote: I would send it back if you are able as card does not function as it should. If it was AS IS then your pretty much stuck. From: Michael McMurtrey skyking...@verizon.net True. But Ebay sellers like to avoid the negative ratings. Even for something sold AS IS, unless it was dirt-cheap and clearly a case of caveat emptor. Barry -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
