Re: Classic after Upgrade to 10.4?

2008-12-01 Thread Yersinia

Clark writes,

What you described is true, those apps are Classic.

But Carbon Apps can run with Classic or native.  There is supposed to be 
a way to make them run in Classic but I don't recall how off hand. 
Apparently you switched AppleWorks to run in Classic.  Try doing a Get 
Info on the application and see if there is an option to use Classic vs 
Native.  I tried it but found nothing.

Yes, Get Info tells me it's for both OS 9 and OS X. OK.

The way to tell is what kind of Apple you have on the left side of the 
menu bar.  The old multi-colored Apple means you are running Classic. 
The blue Apple means you are running Native.

OK yeah. I opened an AW 6 file and saw the blue apple, even with Classic 
on. I had to turn Classic back on after my little experiment because my 
email program is apparently not Carbonized. And since I'm obviously using 
my emailer right now, yeah, I see the multicolored apple (and my OS 9 
customized menu fonts...gosh I wish I could do that in OS X).

Bruce writes,

If you started Appleworks from within Classic (for example, via the  
Apple menu), it's running in OS 9 mode, and will quit if you quit  
Classic.

In OS X go to Applications and double-click on Appleworks it should  
start right up.

H. When I did my little experiment yesterday and shut Classic off, 
much to my surprise, AW 6's litte on arrow stayed on in the Dock 
(though my emailer's quit) -- even though I could have sworn that time 
when I shut Classic off a year or so ago, it had quit. But back to 
yesterday: Classic still off, AW 6 still rebooted (from the Dock). BUT

I don't keep my AW 6 application in the OS X Applications folder. I never 
did. It's not even on the G4's OS X hard drive. I've been using AW 6 
since my total OS 9 days on my old G3 Beige DT -- when I got my G4 
Quicksilver (which came with Tiger 10.4.7 installed on its 60 GB HD), I 
had that OS 9 HD -- which had all my stuff on it -- taken out of the 
Beige and put in the Quicksilver -- and some of my apps which did, and 
still live on that HD -- the ones I use a lot -- once up on OS X I put 
their icons in the Dock for easy access. But the original app files for 
all my OS 9 (and earlier) applications still live on what was once my 
Beige's HD. My OS X Applications folder only has the applications which 
came with OS X, plus the small number of new OS X native apps I got 
afterwards.

Just now I went to look at the original AW 6 application in that HD. I 
found it and noticed it says AppleWorks 6.app. I find this kind of 
strange because the .app suffix is something I only know from OS X, but 
I've had AW 6 for longer than I've had OS X.

Well...OK, it's cool -- and I'm glad I found out that AW 6 will run with 
or without Classic.

~Yersinia.




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Re: Classic after Upgrade to 10.4?

2008-12-01 Thread AIM Mail

Hey, if any of you working in Classic don't want to feel like you're  
using an OS 9 app, email me. I have a package made by an Apple UI guy  
in his spare time during May of 2000; consists of an Appearance Theme  
and two CPs. It's now impossible to find b/c Apple caught wind of what  
he did and fired him, then threatened anyone and everyone distributing  
it out of it. It gives you a near-perfect OS X look AND  
feel...everywhere. Live window dragging, menu transparancies and  
fading, shaddowing, full Quartz anti-aliasing, just to name a few, and  
it's 100% as stable as using just the Apple Platinum theme, as I knew  
him and he perfected it for me for Jaguar ;-)

BTW, I basically have every theme, including all the Copland ones. My  
favs are QT4, NeXT, System 7, and BeBox.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Dec 1, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Yersinia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Clark writes,

 What you described is true, those apps are Classic.

 But Carbon Apps can run with Classic or native.  There is supposed  
 to be
 a way to make them run in Classic but I don't recall how off hand.
 Apparently you switched AppleWorks to run in Classic.  Try doing a Get
 Info on the application and see if there is an option to use Classic  
 vs
 Native.  I tried it but found nothing.

 Yes, Get Info tells me it's for both OS 9 and OS X. OK.

 The way to tell is what kind of Apple you have on the left side  
 of the
 menu bar.  The old multi-colored Apple means you are running Classic.
 The blue Apple means you are running Native.

 OK yeah. I opened an AW 6 file and saw the blue apple, even with  
 Classic
 on. I had to turn Classic back on after my little experiment because  
 my
 email program is apparently not Carbonized. And since I'm obviously  
 using
 my emailer right now, yeah, I see the multicolored apple (and my OS 9
 customized menu fonts...gosh I wish I could do that in OS X).

 Bruce writes,

 If you started Appleworks from within Classic (for example, via the
 Apple menu), it's running in OS 9 mode, and will quit if you quit
 Classic.

 In OS X go to Applications and double-click on Appleworks it should
 start right up.

 H. When I did my little experiment yesterday and shut Classic off,
 much to my surprise, AW 6's litte on arrow stayed on in the Dock
 (though my emailer's quit) -- even though I could have sworn that time
 when I shut Classic off a year or so ago, it had quit. But back to
 yesterday: Classic still off, AW 6 still rebooted (from the Dock).  
 BUT

 I don't keep my AW 6 application in the OS X Applications folder. I  
 never
 did. It's not even on the G4's OS X hard drive. I've been using AW 6
 since my total OS 9 days on my old G3 Beige DT -- when I got my G4
 Quicksilver (which came with Tiger 10.4.7 installed on its 60 GB  
 HD), I
 had that OS 9 HD -- which had all my stuff on it -- taken out of the
 Beige and put in the Quicksilver -- and some of my apps which did, and
 still live on that HD -- the ones I use a lot -- once up on OS X I put
 their icons in the Dock for easy access. But the original app files  
 for
 all my OS 9 (and earlier) applications still live on what was once my
 Beige's HD. My OS X Applications folder only has the applications  
 which
 came with OS X, plus the small number of new OS X native apps I got
 afterwards.

 Just now I went to look at the original AW 6 application in that HD. I
 found it and noticed it says AppleWorks 6.app. I find this kind of
 strange because the .app suffix is something I only know from OS X,  
 but
 I've had AW 6 for longer than I've had OS X.

 Well...OK, it's cool -- and I'm glad I found out that AW 6 will run  
 with
 or without Classic.

 ~Yersinia.


 

 Some mornings it's not worth chewing through the leather straps.  
 -- Emo
 Phillips


 

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Re: Classic after Upgrade to 10.4?

2008-11-30 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Nov 29, 2008, at 9:57 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote:


 Hoping my Appleworks 6 will still function on 10.4. It's an OSX app,
 but then so is PS7 and it doesn't work on the new iMac. So am not sure
 exactly how this transition will go.

Yes both will work fine as will Classic.

It's 10.5 that killed Classic and PS7. Don't know about AW6, tho.

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Re: Classic after Upgrade to 10.4?

2008-11-30 Thread Fabian Fang

On Nov 30, 2008, at 10:11 AM, Yersinia wrote:

 2. Appleworks 6 is not OS X native. It will only run in OS X with
 Classic,


This is not true.  AppleWorks 6 (Version 6.2.9 to be specific) runs  
happily on my iMac G5 under OS 10.5.5, which does not support Classic  
at all.

Fabian

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Re: Classic after Upgrade to 10.4?

2008-11-30 Thread Ken

My Reply follows quote. On 30/11/2008 10:11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  

1. You WILL be able to run Classic Mode on OS X Tiger (10.4.x), on your 
G4 Quicksilver 733, IF  you ALSO have OS 9 also installed on your 
Quicksilver.  I still use AppleWorks 6 -- on both my G4 Quicksilver 867 
and G3/800 iBook both of which run OS X 10.4.9 with OS 9.2.2 installed as 
well.

2. Appleworks 6 is not OS X native. It will only run in OS X with 
Classic, and to run Classic, you need to have OS 9 installed somewhere on 
your Quicksilver. 9.2.2 was optimized to run with OS X, but I've read you 
can still use OS 9.1 or 9.2.1 to run Classic under OS X.

I have Appleworks 6 running under OS  10.4.11 on an MDD. It is in fact,
OS X native and runs whether or not Classic is running.

3. You WILL NOT be able to run Classic Mode on your iMac, EVER. The Intel 
Macs do not support Classic. 

I don't know what PS7 is, so I can't tell you if it requires Classic or 
not. If it does, you'll never be able to run that on your iMac or any 
other Macintel.

If by PS7, you mean Adobe Photoshop 7, then, yes, it will run undrer
OS 10.4.11, and does so quite well on my MDD.

Ken

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Re: Classic after Upgrade to 10.4?

2008-11-30 Thread Clark Martin

Yersinia wrote:


 1. You WILL be able to run Classic Mode on OS X Tiger (10.4.x), on your 
 G4 Quicksilver 733, IF  you ALSO have OS 9 also installed on your 
 Quicksilver.  I still use AppleWorks 6 -- on both my G4 Quicksilver 867 
 and G3/800 iBook both of which run OS X 10.4.9 with OS 9.2.2 installed as 
 well.
 
 2. Appleworks 6 is not OS X native. It will only run in OS X with 
 Classic, and to run Classic, you need to have OS 9 installed somewhere on 
 your Quicksilver. 9.2.2 was optimized to run with OS X, but I've read you 
 can still use OS 9.1 or 9.2.1 to run Classic under OS X.

AW 6 is Carbon and therefore does run native in OS X.  Just verified on 
my (intel) MacBook Pro and OS 10.5.5





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Re: Classic after Upgrade to 10.4?

2008-11-30 Thread Yersinia

Fabian writes,

This is not true.  AppleWorks 6 (Version 6.2.9 to be specific) runs  
happily on my iMac G5 under OS 10.5.5, which does not support Classic  
at all.

Bruce writes,

That is flat wrong. AW6 was, like Apple's very first OS X native  
program, they used it as a showcase of Carbon programming libs. It's a  
dual program, it'll run under both OS 9 and OS X, but Im running it  
right now in 10.5 which does not support Classic at all.

Ken writes,

I have Appleworks 6 running under OS  10.4.11 on an MDD. It is in fact,
OS X native and runs whether or not Classic is running.

 and Clark writes,

AW 6 is Carbon and therefore does run native in OS X.  Just verified on 
my (intel) MacBook Pro and OS 10.5.5.

Really?! My version of AppleWorks 6 is also 6.2.9 and though I don't 
recall why I did this (it was probably over a year ago), I remember one 
time I decided to stay up on Tiger but shut down Classic, and, my two 
old programs which had been on (i.e., running in the background, in the 
Dock) -- Claris Emailer and AppleWorks 6 -- both quit when I shut off 
Classic. 

??? :-O ???

I thought that apps which open/run fine in OS 9/earlier or OS X with 
Classic on, but which don't open at all without Classic on or quit when 
they're open if you choose Stop Classic were applications which are not 
OS X native.  That's wrong?

Yikes, I'll have to try this again, as a consciously done experiment 
(i.e., shut down Classic) and see what happens to my AppleWorks, plus try 
to open it with Classic off. I could swear I remembered it (and Claris 
Emailer) quitting out on me when I stopped Classic that time.

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Re: Classic after Upgrade to 10.4?

2008-11-30 Thread Ken

My Reply follows quote. On 30/11/2008 14:53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  

Really?! My version of AppleWorks 6 is also 6.2.9 and though I don't 
recall why I did this (it was probably over a year ago), I remember one 
time I decided to stay up on Tiger but shut down Classic, and, my two 
old programs which had been on (i.e., running in the background, in the 
Dock) -- Claris Emailer and AppleWorks 6 -- both quit when I shut off 
Classic. 
---
If you have the original install disks I think you are in luck. As I
recall (it has been a few years) the install disk was for either
the OS 9 or OS X version. If you install on a system running OS 9,
that is what you get.

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Thanks, I Stand Corrected about AW 6! (was Re: Classic after Upgrade to 10.4?)

2008-11-30 Thread Yersinia

Okay everybody,

I just ran my little tests and confirmed that you're all correct (Dan, 
Bruce, Fabian, Ken, Clark) about AW 6 booting natively in OS X without 
Classic.

Wow, I had no idea, but AW 6 stayed on when I shut down Classic, and 
booted back up from scratch when I double clicked it in the dock, and I 
was able to open and read one of my AW 6 files -- by contrast, my Claris 
Emailer went down when I shut off Classic, and when I tried to reboot it 
with Classic off, Classic immediately restarted and then Claris Emailer 
booted. I dunno what I was looking at that one time I thought I saw AW 6 
going down when I turned off Classic that other time, but yes, AW 6 
doesn't need Classic.

:blush:

~Yersinia.

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Re: Classic after Upgrade to 10.4?

2008-11-30 Thread Clark Martin

Yersinia wrote:


  and Clark writes,
 
 AW 6 is Carbon and therefore does run native in OS X.  Just verified on 
 my (intel) MacBook Pro and OS 10.5.5.
 
 Really?! My version of AppleWorks 6 is also 6.2.9 and though I don't 
 recall why I did this (it was probably over a year ago), I remember one 
 time I decided to stay up on Tiger but shut down Classic, and, my two 
 old programs which had been on (i.e., running in the background, in the 
 Dock) -- Claris Emailer and AppleWorks 6 -- both quit when I shut off 
 Classic. 
 
 ??? :-O ???
 
 I thought that apps which open/run fine in OS 9/earlier or OS X with 
 Classic on, but which don't open at all without Classic on or quit when 
 they're open if you choose Stop Classic were applications which are not 
 OS X native.  That's wrong?

What you described is true, those apps are Classic.

But Carbon Apps can run with Classic or native.  There is supposed to be 
a way to make them run in Classic but I don't recall how off hand. 
Apparently you switched AppleWorks to run in Classic.  Try doing a Get 
Info on the application and see if there is an option to use Classic vs 
Native.  I tried it but found nothing.

 
 Yikes, I'll have to try this again, as a consciously done experiment 
 (i.e., shut down Classic) and see what happens to my AppleWorks, plus try 
 to open it with Classic off. I could swear I remembered it (and Claris 
 Emailer) quitting out on me when I stopped Classic that time.
 

The way to tell is what kind of Apple you have on the left side of the 
menu bar.  The old multi-colored Apple means you are running Classic. 
The blue Apple means you are running Native.


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Re: Classic after Upgrade to 10.4?

2008-11-30 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Nov 30, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Yersinia wrote:

 Really?! My version of AppleWorks 6 is also 6.2.9 and though I don't
 recall why I did this (it was probably over a year ago), I remember  
 one
 time I decided to stay up on Tiger but shut down Classic, and, my two
 old programs which had been on (i.e., running in the background,  
 in the
 Dock) -- Claris Emailer and AppleWorks 6 -- both quit when I shut off
 Classic.

 ??? :-O ???

If you started Appleworks from within Classic (for example, via the  
Apple menu), it's running in OS 9 mode, and will quit if you quit  
Classic.

In OS X go to Applications and double-click on Appleworks it should  
start right up.



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Re: Classic after Upgrade to 10.4?

2008-11-30 Thread Ken

My Reply follows quote. On 30/11/2008 14:53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  

Really?! My version of AppleWorks 6 is also 6.2.9 and though I don't 
recall why I did this (it was probably over a year ago), I remember one 
time I decided to stay up on Tiger but shut down Classic, and, my two 
old programs which had been on (i.e., running in the background, in the 
Dock) -- Claris Emailer and AppleWorks 6 -- both quit when I shut off 
Classic. 
---
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recall (it has been a few years) the install disk was for either
the OS 9 or OS X version. If you install on a system running OS 9,
that is what you get.

Ken

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Re: Classic after Upgrade to 10.4?

2008-11-30 Thread AIM Mail

You have to install AppleWorks 6 in Classic if it's an original  
AppleWorks disc prior to the 6.2 version, but then you use the 6.2.x  
upgrader to Carbonize the app.

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On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:53 PM, Yersinia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Fabian writes,

 This is not true.  AppleWorks 6 (Version 6.2.9 to be specific) runs
 happily on my iMac G5 under OS 10.5.5, which does not support Classic
 at all.

 Bruce writes,

 That is flat wrong. AW6 was, like Apple's very first OS X native
 program, they used it as a showcase of Carbon programming libs. It's a
 dual program, it'll run under both OS 9 and OS X, but Im running it
 right now in 10.5 which does not support Classic at all.

 Ken writes,

 I have Appleworks 6 running under OS  10.4.11 on an MDD. It is in  
 fact,
 OS X native and runs whether or not Classic is running.

 and Clark writes,

 AW 6 is Carbon and therefore does run native in OS X.  Just  
 verified on
 my (intel) MacBook Pro and OS 10.5.5.

 Really?! My version of AppleWorks 6 is also 6.2.9 and though I don't
 recall why I did this (it was probably over a year ago), I remember  
 one
 time I decided to stay up on Tiger but shut down Classic, and, my two
 old programs which had been on (i.e., running in the background,  
 in the
 Dock) -- Claris Emailer and AppleWorks 6 -- both quit when I shut off
 Classic.

 ??? :-O ???

 I thought that apps which open/run fine in OS 9/earlier or OS X with
 Classic on, but which don't open at all without Classic on or quit  
 when
 they're open if you choose Stop Classic were applications which  
 are not
 OS X native.  That's wrong?

 Yikes, I'll have to try this again, as a consciously done experiment
 (i.e., shut down Classic) and see what happens to my AppleWorks,  
 plus try
 to open it with Classic off. I could swear I remembered it (and Claris
 Emailer) quitting out on me when I stopped Classic that time.

 ~Yersinia.

 

 If you've got a problem that can be solved with money, you don't  
 have a
 problem.



 

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Re: Classic after Upgrade to 10.4?

2008-11-30 Thread jonas ulrich
Regarding installing AppleWorks 6 on OSX: You can't just take the OS9
AppleWorks 6 installer and install it on 10. If you have AppleWorks 6
installed on OS9 this is what you do to get it to run in OSX:
Simply drag folder from OS9 to your OSX applications folder and open it. I
use AppleWorks 6 on my PowerBook 1.67GHZ running OS 10.4.11, my
PowerMac Gigabyte Ethernet DP 500MHZ running OS 10.4, PowerBook Lombard
333MHZ running OS 10.3. I have never dragged it from a computer running
classic though, so when you first drag it you might have to disable classic
then open it from OSX then enable classic again.-Jonas
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 7:42 PM, AIM Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 You have to install AppleWorks 6 in Classic if it's an original
 AppleWorks disc prior to the 6.2 version, but then you use the 6.2.x
 upgrader to Carbonize the app.

 Sent from Joey's iPhone 3G 2.1 on ATT's all-new wireless network.
 Visit http://www.apple.com/iphone for more information.

 Apple  ATT - Raising the Bar.

 On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:53 PM, Yersinia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  Fabian writes,
 
  This is not true.  AppleWorks 6 (Version 6.2.9 to be specific) runs
  happily on my iMac G5 under OS 10.5.5, which does not support Classic
  at all.
 
  Bruce writes,
 
  That is flat wrong. AW6 was, like Apple's very first OS X native
  program, they used it as a showcase of Carbon programming libs. It's a
  dual program, it'll run under both OS 9 and OS X, but Im running it
  right now in 10.5 which does not support Classic at all.
 
  Ken writes,
 
  I have Appleworks 6 running under OS  10.4.11 on an MDD. It is in
  fact,
  OS X native and runs whether or not Classic is running.
 
  and Clark writes,
 
  AW 6 is Carbon and therefore does run native in OS X.  Just
  verified on
  my (intel) MacBook Pro and OS 10.5.5.
 
  Really?! My version of AppleWorks 6 is also 6.2.9 and though I don't
  recall why I did this (it was probably over a year ago), I remember
  one
  time I decided to stay up on Tiger but shut down Classic, and, my two
  old programs which had been on (i.e., running in the background,
  in the
  Dock) -- Claris Emailer and AppleWorks 6 -- both quit when I shut off
  Classic.
 
  ??? :-O ???
 
  I thought that apps which open/run fine in OS 9/earlier or OS X with
  Classic on, but which don't open at all without Classic on or quit
  when
  they're open if you choose Stop Classic were applications which
  are not
  OS X native.  That's wrong?
 
  Yikes, I'll have to try this again, as a consciously done experiment
  (i.e., shut down Classic) and see what happens to my AppleWorks,
  plus try
  to open it with Classic off. I could swear I remembered it (and Claris
  Emailer) quitting out on me when I stopped Classic that time.
 
  ~Yersinia.
 
  
 
  If you've got a problem that can be solved with money, you don't
  have a
  problem.
 
 
 
  

 


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Re: Classic after Upgrade to 10.4?

2008-11-29 Thread jonas ulrich
Classic will work great in 10.4. Also AppleWorks 6 will work perfectly in
10.4-Jonas

On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Anne Keller-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Just one last question, o wise ones ...

 Will I still have Classic once I upgrade to 10.4?

 I don't think I'll need it, but I'm not quite sure.

 Hoping my Appleworks 6 will still function on 10.4. It's an OSX app,
 but then so is PS7 and it doesn't work on the new iMac. So am not sure
 exactly how this transition will go.

 Anne Keller Smith
 Down to Earth Web Design

 Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo
 1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5
 G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower
 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.2.8

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