Re: Creeping failure to send emails
At 8:25 AM -0700 10/18/2009, tonycd wrote: Eventually I correctly guessed why. For some reason, a few years ago another Tier Two rep fixed a connection problem by changing the username in my email client from (myname)@sbcglobal.net, to (myname) %sbcglobal.net. Counterintuitive to me, but it worked with it and it didn't work without it. ug. I didn't even think of that. Using a % instead of a @ was a popular anti-spam hack used by ISPs a few years back :\ Glad to hear you figured it out! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
Weird Epilogue: Talked to the ATT Tier Two support people (the competent ones they diligently try to keep you from reaching). Ultimately, he concluded that for some reason, Thunderbird wasn't recognizing the presence of my username and therefore was internally rejecting my username/password combination. Eventually I correctly guessed why. For some reason, a few years ago another Tier Two rep fixed a connection problem by changing the username in my email client from (myname)@sbcglobal.net, to (myname) %sbcglobal.net. Counterintuitive to me, but it worked with it and it didn't work without it. Now, for whatever reason, it didn't work until it was changed back to @. Apparently Thunderbird looked for the properly spelled username with @, didn't find it, figured the username was incorrect, and generated the boilerplate error message. At least for the moment, instant fix. Thank you again, Dan, for all your help. The transcript of this discussion speeded the diagnostic process considerably. Gracias, Tony On Oct 14, 11:47 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 6:17 PM -0700 10/13/2009, tonycd wrote: 2 adsl-99-144-239-254.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net (99.144.239.254) 17.870 ms 16.665 ms 25.795 ms [etc] Ok It's not Thunderbird - if the prefs etc were foo, it would be failing all the time. It's not your DNS - that translation (the dig) was good. It's not your path to Yahoo's servers - the traceroute is ok. That brings us back to the original error message: The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. I just hit that SMTP server cluster directly, using telnet. Most of my attempt succeeded in connecting and getting the server's first response. But quite a few failed! So the problem is Yahoo's server is refusing connections now and then. This is the type of thing that Yahoo should have noticed and fixed fairly quickly. but sigh. At this point the best thing to do would be for you to send a message to your ISP. Give them that error message. Tell them that DNS lookups and a traceroute seems fine - that the problem is that the server itself is not always responding. Because this is a contracted/outsourced service, it may take a while to fix... IN the mean time You might want to switch to a more reliable provider. My fav these days is Gmail... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
At 11:06 AM -0700 10/14/2009, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Oct 14, 2009, at 10:20 AM, iJohn wrote: FWIW, aside from the occasional accessibility glitch that all cloud based services are subject to, I've been very happy with gmail ever since I switched to it. Well, let's hope they have backups. T-Mobile customers just learned THAT lesson the hard way. http://tinyurl.com/yzfnwtz ROFL Read that the day after it was posted. Now MS is saying they recovered most, if not all of the data. http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/microsoft-manages-recover-most-sidekick-data-082 Still A great lesson here: Always keep GOOD backups. Never ever trust MS. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
At 6:17 PM -0700 10/13/2009, tonycd wrote: 2 adsl-99-144-239-254.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net (99.144.239.254) 17.870 ms 16.665 ms 25.795 ms [etc] Ok It's not Thunderbird - if the prefs etc were foo, it would be failing all the time. It's not your DNS - that translation (the dig) was good. It's not your path to Yahoo's servers - the traceroute is ok. That brings us back to the original error message: The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. I just hit that SMTP server cluster directly, using telnet. Most of my attempt succeeded in connecting and getting the server's first response. But quite a few failed! So the problem is Yahoo's server is refusing connections now and then. This is the type of thing that Yahoo should have noticed and fixed fairly quickly. but sigh. At this point the best thing to do would be for you to send a message to your ISP. Give them that error message. Tell them that DNS lookups and a traceroute seems fine - that the problem is that the server itself is not always responding. Because this is a contracted/outsourced service, it may take a while to fix... IN the mean time You might want to switch to a more reliable provider. My fav these days is Gmail... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: IN the mean time You might want to switch to a more reliable provider. My fav these days is Gmail... I actually have my gmail account read (via POP) my mail from my Yahoo account. That way I didn't have to immediately track down each source of email and change the email address on the sender's site. I *am* doing that, but very gradually on a when I can get to it basis. FWIW, aside from the occasional accessibility glitch that all cloud based services are subject to, I've been very happy with gmail ever since I switched to it. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
On Oct 14, 2009, at 10:20 AM, iJohn wrote: FWIW, aside from the occasional accessibility glitch that all cloud based services are subject to, I've been very happy with gmail ever since I switched to it. Well, let's hope they have backups. T-Mobile customers just learned THAT lesson the hard way. http://tinyurl.com/yzfnwtz -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Well, let's hope they have backups. T-Mobile customers just learned THAT lesson the hard way. http://tinyurl.com/yzfnwtz I worry a lot less about backing up with google than I would if the data were on one of my machines. Since moving to gmail my email is actually a lot more available to me since it's not on a single machine that I'd have to use to access it. I guess Google's servers are occasionally unavailable or, more likely, slow. But that doesn't happen often enough for me to think about managing my own email storage again. But, yes, that mess with Sidekick is the worst nightmare of anyone who uses a cloud based service. OTOH, it sounds like the Sidekick customer data loss was the proverbial perfect storm of incompetence and neglect. (Or worse). -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
At 7:51 PM -0700 10/12/2009, tonycd wrote: ;; ANSWER SECTION: smtp.att.yahoo.com. 806 IN CNAME smtp- sbc.mail.yahoo.com. smtp-sbc.mail.yahoo.com. 186IN CNAME smtp.sbc.mail.fy4.b.yahoo.com. smtp.sbc.mail.fy4.b.yahoo.com. 199 IN A 66.196.96.87 smtp.sbc.mail.fy4.b.yahoo.com. 199 IN A 68.142.229.42 ;; Query time: 36 msec Looks good. That means Thuderbird is finding the correct server. Tony-(Lastname)s-Computer-2:~ t(lastname)$ traceroute smtp.att.yahoo.com You need to hit return after that last command so it executes. How have things been this past weekend - any more or less reliable? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
Dan, here's what I got this time (front matter removed): 1 * * * 2 adsl-99-144-239-254.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net (99.144.239.254) 17.870 ms 16.665 ms 25.795 ms 3 68.250.251.66 (68.250.251.66) 16.751 ms 17.509 ms 18.209 ms 4 bb2-g9-0.emhril.sbcglobal.net (151.164.94.164) 18.060 ms 17.930 ms 17.054 ms 5 151.164.38.214 (151.164.38.214) 39.558 ms 39.804 ms 39.934 ms 6 asn10310-yahoo-10g.eqabva.sbcglobal.net (151.164.249.50) 39.127 ms 39.118 ms 39.039 ms 7 as-0.pat2.che.yahoo.com (216.115.101.145) 70.536 ms 63.913 ms 70.359 ms 8 as-2.pat1.dax.yahoo.com (216.115.96.60) 78.934 ms 71.652 ms 71.327 ms 9 ae-3.pat2.dax.yahoo.com (216.115.102.137) 70.393 ms 71.356 ms 121.713 ms 10 ae1-p111.msr2.mud.yahoo.com (216.115.104.103) 121.093 ms 65.220 ms ae2-p111.msr2.mud.yahoo.com (216.115.104.111) 72.851 ms 11 te-6-2.fab2-a-gdc.mud.yahoo.com (209.191.78.153) 71.250 ms te-8-2.fab2-a-gdc.mud.yahoo.com (209.191.78.157) 71.316 ms te-8-2.fab1-a-gdc.mud.yahoo.com (209.191.78.149) 71.387 ms 12 unknown-209-191-78-163.yahoo.com (209.191.78.163) 72.304 ms unknown-209-191-78-165.yahoo.com (209.191.78.165) 65.536 ms unknown-209-191-78-163.yahoo.com (209.191.78.163) 65.671 ms 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * *^C No improvement in the last few days, by the way. Gracias, Tony On Oct 13, 10:11 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 7:51 PM -0700 10/12/2009, tonycd wrote: ;; ANSWER SECTION: smtp.att.yahoo.com. 806 IN CNAME smtp- sbc.mail.yahoo.com. smtp-sbc.mail.yahoo.com. 186IN CNAME smtp.sbc.mail.fy4.b.yahoo.com. smtp.sbc.mail.fy4.b.yahoo.com. 199 IN A 66.196.96.87 smtp.sbc.mail.fy4.b.yahoo.com. 199 IN A 68.142.229.42 ;; Query time: 36 msec Looks good. That means Thuderbird is finding the correct server. Tony-(Lastname)s-Computer-2:~ t(lastname)$ traceroute smtp.att.yahoo.com You need to hit return after that last command so it executes. How have things been this past weekend - any more or less reliable? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
At 8:56 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: I have ATT DSL, connected by wire to a Quicksilver running Tiger and wirelessly via AirPort Graphite to a MacBook running Leopard. Both use Thunderbird for email. In recent days, both machines are having increasing trouble sending emails. At first, you'd fail on the first one or two attempts and then succeed. Now, you fail about 6+ times before a success. (Receiving, and browsing, both work fine.) I'd think this suggests a corrupt prefs file, but I'm hesitant to start wiping out preference files left and right, since I'm frankly not sophisticated enough to restore them. I do have a recent backup of both machines' configurations on an external hard disk, but I also have better ways to spend my Sunday than bumbling around ignorantly at the business of incompetent file replacement. What's this sound like to you eminent minds out there? Sometimes ISPs require that you collect email before they allow you to send any. This is done to reduce the possibility that spammers can broadcast their wares through your ISP's network connection. - Maretta --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
Dan, here's what Terminal showed me. The only change: my last name is replaced here with the parenthetical expression (Lastname). Thanks, Tony Last login: Mon Oct 12 20:23:48 on console Welcome to Darwin! Tony-(Lastname)s-Computer-2:~ t(lastname)$ dig smtp.att.yahoo.com ; DiG 9.3.6-APPLE-P2 smtp.att.yahoo.com ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 7598 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 4, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;smtp.att.yahoo.com.IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: smtp.att.yahoo.com. 806 IN CNAME smtp- sbc.mail.yahoo.com. smtp-sbc.mail.yahoo.com. 186IN CNAME smtp.sbc.mail.fy4.b.yahoo.com. smtp.sbc.mail.fy4.b.yahoo.com. 199 IN A 66.196.96.87 smtp.sbc.mail.fy4.b.yahoo.com. 199 IN A 68.142.229.42 ;; Query time: 36 msec ;; SERVER: 10.0.1.1#53(10.0.1.1) ;; WHEN: Mon Oct 12 21:48:24 2009 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 130 Tony-(Lastname)s-Computer-2:~ t(lastname)$ traceroute smtp.att.yahoo.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
In case this helps, the failure message says: Send Message Error Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. Please verify that your SMTP server setting is correct and try again, or else contact your network administrator. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
In case this helps, the failure message says: Send Message Error Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. Please verify that your SMTP server setting is correct and try again, or else contact your network administrator. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
At 8:58 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: In case this helps, the failure message says: Send Message Error Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. Please verify that your SMTP server setting is correct and try again, or else contact your network administrator. Sounds like a network or server problem. Make sure the name of the server is smtp.att.yahoo.com, not just smtp.att.yahoo. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
I apologize for the repeat posts. They're purely accidental, and I think they happen because I hit return or refresh at the wrong time. Listmom, feel free to delete the repeaters. On Oct 11, 11:05 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:58 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: In case this helps, the failure message says: Send Message Error Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. Please verify that your SMTP server setting is correct and try again, or else contact your network administrator. Sounds like a network or server problem. Make sure the name of the server is smtp.att.yahoo.com, not just smtp.att.yahoo. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
Dan, pardon my ignorance, but where do I look for that? In Thunderbird? In System Prefs? On Oct 11, 11:05 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:58 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: In case this helps, the failure message says: Send Message Error Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. Please verify that your SMTP server setting is correct and try again, or else contact your network administrator. Sounds like a network or server problem. Make sure the name of the server is smtp.att.yahoo.com, not just smtp.att.yahoo. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
At 9:50 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: On Oct 11, 11:05 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:58 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. Please verify that your SMTP server setting is correct and try again, or else contact your network administrator. Sounds like a network or server problem. Make sure the name of the server is smtp.att.yahoo.com, not just smtp.att.yahoo. where do I look for that? In Thunderbird? In System Prefs? In Thunderbird. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
It's pop.att.yahoo.com, same as it's been for years. On Oct 11, 12:07 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 9:50 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: On Oct 11, 11:05 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:58 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. Please verify that your SMTP server setting is correct and try again, or else contact your network administrator. Sounds like a network or server problem. Make sure the name of the server is smtp.att.yahoo.com, not just smtp.att.yahoo. where do I look for that? In Thunderbird? In System Prefs? In Thunderbird. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
At 10:18 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: It's pop.att.yahoo.com, same as it's been for years. The POP server is for *receiving* mail. SMTP is for *sending*. It's the SMTP server you need to check -- smtp.att.yahoo.com - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
Thank you for straightening me out on that, Dan. Thank goodness somebody here knows what they're talking about, since I certainly don't. The SMTP address is exactly as you specified it: smtp.att.yahoo.com . What would be the next most likely suspect here? Thanks again, Tony On Oct 11, 12:55 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 10:18 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: It's pop.att.yahoo.com, same as it's been for years. The POP server is for *receiving* mail. SMTP is for *sending*. It's the SMTP server you need to check -- smtp.att.yahoo.com - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
At 11:15 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: The SMTP address is exactly as you specified it: smtp.att.yahoo.com . What would be the next most likely suspect here? Double check with your ISP that the address smtp.att.yahoo.com is still the correct server. If it is, then next we test the connectivity. Launch Terminal (it's in /Applications/Utilities). Copy these two lines together and paste them into the Terminal window: dig smtp.att.yahoo.com traceroute smtp.att.yahoo.com The dig should run quickly, but the trace may take a while. If it gets stuck repeating lines like this: 12 * * * then just hit ^C (control C) to stop it. Then copy the whole mess and paste it into your reply here. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
