Re: [G3-5]Re: Good external hard drive?
On 10/26/11 5:24 PM, JoeTaxpayer at joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: I think Bruce feels n is far lower than you or I do. I understand the technologies are different, but the cost curve for dollars per GB looks a lot like those for semiconductor density/ Moore's Law. So will the ratio drop from 50 to 1 to 10 to one in ten years? Maybe. As you say, there are distinct uses now or SSD, I bought the 80GB drive for a laptop and the boot time is now super. And yes, the battery time is great as well. iPads 64GB is enough especially with iCloud and easy syncing. As absolute pricing comes down, and a 1TB SSD is $100 vs a 25TB HD, more may choose SSD. I've seen graphs of drive pricing, not for SSD. I'd be curious. I think the differences are: € Solid state: low data reliability, low energy consumption, high relative durability, medium $ per byte € Hard disks: high data reliability, high energy consumption, medium/low relative durability, low/very low $ per byte -- MaGioZal. http://youtube.com/magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
Following the recommendations of a number of people on the list I bought a Seagate FreeAgent GoFlex Desk 1 TB USB 2.0 External Hard Drive STAC1000100 (Black). I erased it per Time Machine and it works great. My thanks to all who commented or made suggestions. This list is invaluable! I bought a GoFlex Desk 2 TB USB 2.0 External Hard Drive and it works well. I got it at Best Buy for $99 then, a week after I bought it I was cruising Best Buy again and found the Firewire Flex Adapter on sale there for 15 bucks. I changed it out and it went from good to unbelievable. FW800 really makes it shine. This is what's great about the Flex. I find that all my computers both linux and macs work better with firewire drives. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
Following the recommendations of a number of people on the list I bought a Seagate FreeAgent GoFlex Desk 1 TB USB 2.0 External Hard Drive STAC1000100 (Black). I erased it per Time Machine and it works great. My thanks to all who commented or made suggestions. This list is invaluable! Fry's Electronics had a special on the 1.5 TB version for $59.99. The 2 TB version is now selling for $99.99. With W-D soon to take over Hitachi's HD business unit, it looks like I will be buying all Seagate for the foreseeable future, with a few purchases of Samsung Spinrites, which have been very good to me (after a mandatory drive firmware update for cache pollution). As I run mainly Hackintoshes, I tend to use external USB 2.0 drives as so-called EBDs (emergency boot drives), in cases of emergency, but those have been surprisingly few ... perhaps once in the last several years. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
Il giorno 28-10-2011 4:18, Bill Connelly ha scritto: 480Mb/s not fast enough to keep up with a photo slide show? That's strange. Well, 480Mb/s THEORETICAL! ;-) THat should translate into something like 40-50 MB/s, but I've NEVER see any USB2 device going faster than 10 MB/s. (OTOH, I've seen FW800 approaching real 50MB/s transfer) I remember now, the files being drawn from the external, were tiff images, scanned at 600dpi. Maybe it was the size. Wow, TIFFs (likely uncompressed) at 600dpi can be huge... An A4 size color TIFF at 600dpi is over 100MB! :-o -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
On Oct 27, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: But, I tried to use Slideshow option from Preview, and Preview crashed. I don't think USB 2 was fast enough to keep up with the show. No, that's not why Preview crashed, unless you were running the slideshow at 20 fps or so :-) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
Hello: your name haas means hare in Dutch. Mijn naam is haas means I do not know Do not buy an external drive in a plastic case! I tripped over the wire and broke the connection. Stupid grandpa!! Now it is useless! My advice: buy a loose 2,5 or 3,5 inch hard drive 500 Gb to start with. Buy an enclosure to put the hard drive in. *When you want to upgrade you can buy a hard drive with more capacity. And you have the option to keep or sell your old hard disk.* But you can reuse your enclosure!! Western Digital Caviar is OK. Try a website that compare hard disks. In the Netherlands we have vergelijk.nl (translation compare.nl) Good luck. === On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 6:15 AM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: Anyone care to make recommendations for an external hard drive? 500GB to 700GB's, is cost any indication of quality?Need only for back up, speed is not a factor, nor is Firewire important. Something in the $100.00 range. Seagate is selling USB 2.0 external drives (which include, and require a wall-wart for power) for $59.99 for a 1.5 TB version, with smaller and larger ones available, too. The hard drive market is strange right now as Hitachi has decided to abandon the market and sell its (former IBM) product line to Western Digital. I don't think anyone is making any money on hard drives these days. There is no the next greatest thing in hard drives and 3 TB should be just about the max for the foreseeable future. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
On Oct 25, 2011, at 6:16 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Il giorno 25-10-2011 22:29, John Callahan ha scritto: Anyone care to make recommendations for an external hard drive? 500GB to 700GB's, is cost any indication of quality? I recently got a G Drive mobile 750GB, 2,5 (from G-Technology, Hitachi). It has USB 2.0 and Firewire 800 ports (it comes with USB, FW 800 and FW 400 cables). I'm quite satisfied with it, fast, silent. During a long backup (over one hour), it became really hot, though. I had a Westernal Digital 250GB, 2,5, just USB. But I had some issues with it (on some computer it didn't get enough power from the USB port, so it didn't work without a powered USB hub). USB is quite slower than Firewire, too. Although 2,5 drives are handy (small, no need for external power supply), if you don't plan to move the drive around, I think you'd better go for a 3,5 drive: the external power supply makes it more reliable, and the cost x GB should be slower. PS: If you don't know it yet, I recommend Carbon Copy CLoner for backup: http://www.bombich.com In the CCC Forum section, there's a thread in the public discussions on the subject of What hard drive enclosures have you had success or failure with? that is worth a read: http://help.bombich.com/discussions/problems/140-what-hard-drive-enclosure- have-you-had-successfailure-with Thanks Valter, appreciate your suggestions and will follow up on them. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
On Oct 25, 3:29 pm, John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com wrote: Anyone care to make recommendations for an external hard drive? 500GB to 700GB's, is cost any indication of quality?Need only for back up, speed is not a factor, nor is Firewire important. Something in the $100.00 range. Thanks a lot. Anecdotal evidence about this sort of thing is always suspect. However... I like Seagate drives because they still had a long warranty when other companies had gone to one year. I think the other companies have changed back, but I haven't been paying that much attention. I don't like the Seagate external drives based on 2.5 mechanisms. I've seen a lot of failures in those and read about many. I would be cautious of any of the 2.5 external drives which draw their power off of the USB bus. That seems to cause corruption and reliability issues in many cases. I like my 1.5 TB Seagate drive, but I had to get it replaced three times to get a good one. Seagate seems to have or have had problems with their Firewire implementation. Since you don't want Firewire that may not cause you as much headache as it did me. Two terabyte external drives are regularly on sale at Newegg for around $70 these days. Watch their ads or sign up for their email specials and one will come along within a month, probably. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:19 AM, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.comwrote: (I just threw out a 3GB drive I paid $300 for) And yet you could have recycled it Or wiped it and sold it on a place like eBay On Oct 26, 10:36 am, Bruce Johnson john...@.arizona.edujohn...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Note this may force Apple's hand, supply-wise, to accelerate it's adoption of solid-state drives across the line. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
I suppose. I don't imagine there's much demand for a SCSI 3GB drive. For the fact that I long ago lost the ability to talk to this drive and didn't know what personal data was on there, I destroyed it. Just to share, I'm not an enemy of Green, I donated the G3s and any higher capacity drives to a good cause. 80GB PATA seem to have some value. Let's see how long that lasts. On Oct 26, 12:31 pm, Stephen Conrad khel...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:19 AM, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.comwrote: (I just threw out a 3GB drive I paid $300 for) And yet you could have recycled it Or wiped it and sold it on a place like eBay On Oct 26, 10:36 am, Bruce Johnson john...@.arizona.edujohn...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Note this may force Apple's hand, supply-wise, to accelerate it's adoption of solid-state drives across the line. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
At 8:36 AM -0700 10/26/2011, t...@io.com wrote: I would be cautious of any of the 2.5 external drives which draw their power off of the USB bus. That seems to cause corruption and reliability issues in many cases. It would help if Apple provided USB buses that had a little xtra umph to them. Really irks me that the externals that spin fine on a cheap ($600) HP laptop just sit there and keep trying to spin on a MBP. - Dan. -- - Be Prepared! http://www.bt.cdc.gov/socialmedia/zombies_blog.asp - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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On Oct 27, 2011, at 11:09 AM, Dan wrote: It would help if Apple provided USB buses that had a little xtra umph to them. Really irks me that the externals that spin fine on a cheap ($600) HP laptop just sit there and keep trying to spin on a MBP. I believe there is a sign, carved in granite above the doors to Apple Engineering that say (right under the line that says 'Abandon all sleep all ye who enter...' :-) Thou shalt never specify sufficient power. I (emphatically NOT fondly) recall replacing the power supplies in both my Apple II and my Mac Plus On the other hand, Apple does tend to follow standards to the letter, much to the pain of folks who kinda sorta fudge it (see: every other damn mail client in the world that gets confused by a multipart MIME email message with more than one text part), odds are that Apple's USB ports do adhere to the standard, no more, no less. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
On Oct 27, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Oct 27, 2011, at 11:09 AM, Dan wrote: It would help if Apple provided USB buses that had a little xtra umph to them. Really irks me that the externals that spin fine on a cheap ($600) HP laptop just sit there and keep trying to spin on a MBP. I believe there is a sign, carved in granite above the doors to Apple Engineering that say (right under the line that says 'Abandon all sleep all ye who enter...' :-) Thou shalt never specify sufficient power. I (emphatically NOT fondly) recall replacing the power supplies in both my Apple II and my Mac Plus On the other hand, Apple does tend to follow standards to the letter, much to the pain of folks who kinda sorta fudge it (see: every other damn mail client in the world that gets confused by a multipart MIME email message with more than one text part), odds are that Apple's USB ports do adhere to the standard, no more, no less. AFAIK that's correct about Apple. A lot of manufacturers really blow it, drawing too much power from USB on the hope that the computer manufacturer isn't hitting the spec any better. Then there are the laptops that provide little or no power to their USB ports. The problem with USB is that it isn't, Universal. Or as I like to put it, the wonderful thing about Standards is that everyone does them differently. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
On Oct 26, 2011, at 12:15 AM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: Anyone care to make recommendations for an external hard drive? 500GB to 700GB's, is cost any indication of quality?Need only for back up, speed is not a factor, nor is Firewire important. Something in the $100.00 range. Seagate is selling USB 2.0 external drives (which include, and require a wall-wart for power) for $59.99 for a 1.5 TB version, with smaller and larger ones available, too. My sister bought a $60 USB 2 only one by Seagate, and I used it to transfer 1000s of family photos to her PC from my Mac. USB 2 is nice and fast for a direct transfer from my scanning software by Canon. But, I tried to use Slideshow option from Preview, and Preview crashed. I don't think USB 2 was fast enough to keep up with the show. Still seems like a good one, especially just for backing up using, say, CCC. Nice vibrating light and case pattern design ... but I think they were being discontinued. I would recommend newertechnology's miniStack with an SATA internal drive, possibly from owcomputing.com It has USB 2, FW and some have SATA connectivity. One of those should satisfy any use. Oh yes ... FW Bootable too ... that is important to me. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
At 3:06 PM -0400 10/27/2011, Bill Connelly wrote: But, I tried to use Slideshow option from Preview, and Preview crashed. I don't think USB 2 was fast enough to keep up with the show. Doubtful the crash had anything to do with the drive's interface. Preview's slideshow just sux. I prefer the slideshow in GraphicConverter. - Dan. -- - Be Prepared! http://www.bt.cdc.gov/socialmedia/zombies_blog.asp - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
480Mb/s not fast enough to keep up with a photo slide show? That's strange. On Oct 27, 3:06 pm, Bill Connelly billycarmac...@verizon.net wrote: But, I tried to use Slideshow option from Preview, and Preview crashed. I don't think USB 2 was fast enough to keep up with the show. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
On Oct 27, 2011, at 10:10 PM, JoeTaxpayer wrote: 480Mb/s not fast enough to keep up with a photo slide show? That's strange. I remember now, the files being drawn from the external, were tiff images, scanned at 600dpi. Maybe it was the size. Another Poster thinks it was Preview.app ... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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On Oct 25, 2011, at 9:15 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: The hard drive market is strange right now as Hitachi has decided to abandon the market and sell its (former IBM) product line to Western Digital. I don't think anyone is making any money on hard drives these days. And in the short term that's going to change. Drive prices are going to go up in the near future because the factories that make a huge percentage of them are flooded right now: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/21/us-thailand-floods-tech-idUSTRE79K76Z20111021 Note this may force Apple's hand, supply-wise, to accelerate it's adoption of solid-state drives across the line. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/21/us-thailand-floods-tech-idUSTRE79K76Z20111021 This mentions 'Apple chief executive Steve Cook' Freudian slip? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
Not long ago, I bought an 80GB SSD, $160. My latest HD was 3TB for $120 $2/GB vs 4cents/GB. The price of both keep dropping (I just threw out a 3GB drive I paid $300 for) but I don't see these technologies crossing over, the 50 to 1 gap may narrow over time, but will see where it flattens. 10 to 1 maybe? The idea of SSD is great, and in a laptop, using the cloud for longer term storage, etc, but the desktop user will still want the 1TB+ drives and the OP here was taking external storage. On Oct 26, 10:36 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Note this may force Apple's hand, supply-wise, to accelerate it's adoption of solid-state drives across the line. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
On Oct 26, 2011, at 8:19 AM, JoeTaxpayer wrote: Not long ago, I bought an 80GB SSD, $160. My latest HD was 3TB for $120 $2/GB vs 4cents/GB. The price of both keep dropping (I just threw out a 3GB drive I paid $300 for) but I don't see these technologies crossing over, the 50 to 1 gap may narrow over time, but will see where it flattens. 10 to 1 maybe? No. SSD's scale with the ability to make solid state devices, which scale much more dramatically pricewise with increases in production capacity than mechanical devices like hard drives. Look at the manufacturing that goes into a hard drive, compare that to the manufacturing costs of RAM. Look at the cost of flash drives, for example, and remember SSD's are based on the same technology. In the end multi-terabyte SSD's are going to be very cheap, and hard drives a relic of the past, and I suspect it;'s going to accelerate greatly in the face of increased hard drive costs. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
At 4:29 PM -0400 10/25/2011, John Callahan wrote: Anyone care to make recommendations for an external hard drive? 500GB to 700GB's, is cost any indication of quality? Need only for back up, speed is not a factor, nor is Firewire important. Something in the $100.00 range. hum. A good drive? No, drives are evil, all evil. Personally, I'm partial to big Seagates or Hitachi's. Recently I've preferrred to buy bare drives and stick 'em in boxes. If you must buy one in a box, I'm fond of LaCie's offerings. They're a bit expensive, but the boxes are very high quality. Avoid Western Digital externals -- some have issues when it comes to booting on Macs (see the various tech support articles and threads on CCC's web site). And avoid installing any craplets that come with the drive. Unless it's a RAID solution, such as a (cool) Drobo, a real drive requires no additional software - you already have Disk Utility and Finder and CCC. The craplets are stupid things that watch the drive's status in some way ... and are often quite unreliable - incompatible with OS updates, crashy, etc. Carpe HD! At 7:36 AM -0700 10/26/2011, Bruce Johnson wrote: Drive prices are going to go up in the near future because the factories that make a huge percentage of them are flooded right now: Note this may force Apple's hand, supply-wise, to accelerate it's adoption of solid-state drives across the line. sigh. While I think SSDs are a good idea in portable devices, I really hate the idea of using them en mass in desktop computers. People expect reliability from their home-based storage devices! OTOH, it's good for the repair business and the NAND manufacturers. OTGH, Apple the FBI really really do want you to put stuff in the clouds! http://dl.dropbox.com/u/610326/Jobs-iCloud.jpg - Dan. -- - Be Prepared! http://www.bt.cdc.gov/socialmedia/zombies_blog.asp - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
At 9:36 AM -0700 10/26/2011, Bruce Johnson wrote: In the end multi-terabyte SSD's are going to be very cheap, and hard drives a relic of the past, and I suspect it;'s going to accelerate greatly in the face of increased hard drive costs. In the end, we'll stop trying to make tape drives emulate card reader/punches, er a, make RAM emulate HDs. For the next n years, however, NAND (flash) memory is NOT going to be cheap or reliable enough to really replace real HDs. The ONLY reason to use a SSD is if there is some sort of overriding speed or power savings requirement. - Dan. -- - Be Prepared! http://www.bt.cdc.gov/socialmedia/zombies_blog.asp - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
I think Bruce feels n is far lower than you or I do. I understand the technologies are different, but the cost curve for dollars per GB looks a lot like those for semiconductor density/ Moore's Law. So will the ratio drop from 50 to 1 to 10 to one in ten years? Maybe. As you say, there are distinct uses now or SSD, I bought the 80GB drive for a laptop and the boot time is now super. And yes, the battery time is great as well. iPads 64GB is enough especially with iCloud and easy syncing. As absolute pricing comes down, and a 1TB SSD is $100 vs a 25TB HD, more may choose SSD. I've seen graphs of drive pricing, not for SSD. I'd be curious. On Oct 26, 12:55 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: For the next n years, however, NAND (flash) memory is NOT going to be cheap or reliable enough to really replace real HDs. The ONLY reason to use a SSD is if there is some sort of overriding speed or power savings requirement. - Dan. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
On Oct 25, 2011, at 1:29 PM, John Callahan wrote: Anyone care to make recommendations for an external hard drive? 500GB to 700GB's, is cost any indication of quality?Need only for back up, speed is not a factor, nor is Firewire important. Something in the $100.00 range. Thanks a lot. Well, I've been speccing Seagate FreeAgent drives for folks' local backups here, and have had very good luck with 'em, not one failure yet. http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/external/freeagent/freeagent_desk/ -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
On Oct 25, 2011, at 1:29 PM, John Callahan wrote: Anyone care to make recommendations for an external hard drive? 500GB to 700GB's, is cost any indication of quality?Need only for back up, speed is not a factor, nor is Firewire important. Something in the $100.00 range. I very much like the Seagate range of external hard drives, especially the GoFlex series. I've had a lot of different external hard drives over the years, and almost all of them, whether ready-made by the manufacturer or bring-your-own-hard-drive empty case versions, have been either a) noisy (cooling fan and/or drive itself), b) cursed with an annoying activity light (or lights, in some cases), c) short-lived, or d) all of the above. My two main backup hard drives these days are Seagate FreeAgent GoFlex 1.5 TB UltraPortables, with the standard USB 2.0 interface cable USB 3.0, (eSata and Firewire 800 adapters also are available). This form factor is small, so quiet I can't hear it run, and has activity/running lights that are very discreet. Mine cost about $120; other sizes start at 320 GB for the UltraPortables. Desktop GoFlex models go up to 4 TB. Go here for more info: http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/external/freeagent/#tTabContentOptionsForMac. They are widely available online and at brick and stick stores. My GoFlex UltraPortables tuck behind my 27 iMac and quite silently just work. I swap them out every so often so that I've got two backups of everything important. The drive not being used at the moment is stored securely in another location, just in case. HTH, Jim Scott -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
Il giorno 25-10-2011 22:29, John Callahan ha scritto: Anyone care to make recommendations for an external hard drive? 500GB to 700GB's, is cost any indication of quality? I recently got a G Drive mobile 750GB, 2,5 (from G-Technology, Hitachi). It has USB 2.0 and Firewire 800 ports (it comes with USB, FW 800 and FW 400 cables). I'm quite satisfied with it, fast, silent. During a long backup (over one hour), it became really hot, though. I had a Westernal Digital 250GB, 2,5, just USB. But I had some issues with it (on some computer it didn't get enough power from the USB port, so it didn't work without a powered USB hub). USB is quite slower than Firewire, too. Although 2,5 drives are handy (small, no need for external power supply), if you don't plan to move the drive around, I think you'd better go for a 3,5 drive: the external power supply makes it more reliable, and the cost x GB should be slower. PS: If you don't know it yet, I recommend Carbon Copy CLoner for backup: http://www.bombich.com In the CCC Forum section, there's a thread in the public discussions on the subject of What hard drive enclosures have you had success or failure with? that is worth a read: http://help.bombich.com/discussions/problems/140-what-hard-drive-enclosure- have-you-had-successfailure-with -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good external hard drive?
Anyone care to make recommendations for an external hard drive? 500GB to 700GB's, is cost any indication of quality?Need only for back up, speed is not a factor, nor is Firewire important. Something in the $100.00 range. Seagate is selling USB 2.0 external drives (which include, and require a wall-wart for power) for $59.99 for a 1.5 TB version, with smaller and larger ones available, too. The hard drive market is strange right now as Hitachi has decided to abandon the market and sell its (former IBM) product line to Western Digital. I don't think anyone is making any money on hard drives these days. There is no the next greatest thing in hard drives and 3 TB should be just about the max for the foreseeable future. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
