Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
All Thanks for the helpful advice, even though I really like the OS X Server monitoring tools it's not worth the $ so I've installed Leopard on mirrored boot drives and added mirrored data drives for my itunes library etc. Yours Ian --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Mar 29, 2009, at 3:59 PM, nestamicky wrote: I'd like to find a way to only respond to sections of the OT. I'm trying but I'm not good at it yet. In Thunderbird, in the compose section of the prefs, there's a selection to quote only the selected part of a message. I looked for the selection, but can't find it under composition. Thanks a lot! Mail does this by default. I don't have T-bird on my home system, I can check at work. To break up parts of an OP to interleave your message, Thanks Bruce...I think this is working. simply click inside the OP anf hit return a couple of times to open a space. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
On Mar 31, 2009, at 7:59 AM, nestamicky wrote: In Thunderbird, in the compose section of the prefs, there's a selection to quote only the selected part of a message. I looked for the selection, but can't find it under composition. Thanks a lot! In Account Settings, in the composition section you can have it select the message when you reply, I could swear I knew of a means to make it only include selected text. It may be a 'hidden' pref, reachable only in the advanced settings. I'll google about. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Mar 31, 2009, at 7:59 AM, nestamicky wrote: In Thunderbird, in the compose section of the prefs, there's a selection to quote only the selected part of a message. I looked for the selection, but can't find it under composition. Thanks a lot! In Account Settings, in the composition section you can have it select the message when you reply, I could swear I knew of a means to make it only include selected text. It may be a 'hidden' pref, reachable only in the advanced settings. I'll google about. Tools / Account Settings / mail account / Composition / Then, (in the pop up menu) Select the Quote -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
On Mar 31, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Clark Martin wrote: In Account Settings, in the composition section you can have it select the message when you reply, I could swear I knew of a means to make it only include selected text. It may be a 'hidden' pref, reachable only in the advanced settings. I'll google about. Tools / Account Settings / mail account / Composition / Then, (in the pop up menu) Select the Quote That selects the whole message, not just the selected part. Apple's Mail lets you select just a part of the original message (as I did above) and puts just that part into the reply. I've found some folks asking for this in Thunderbird bit no solutions, yet. Another reason I like Mail over Thunderbird... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
On Mar 29, 2009, at 3:59 PM, nestamicky wrote: I'd like to find a way to only respond to sections of the OT. I'm trying but I'm not good at it yet. In Thunderbird, in the compose section of the prefs, there's a selection to quote only the selected part of a message. Mail does this by default. I don't have T-bird on my home system, I can check at work. To break up parts of an OP to interleave your message, simply click inside the OP anf hit return a couple of times to open a space. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Mar 27, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: whats an iMic?-Jonas http://lmgtfy.com/?q=imicl=1 Did everyone miss the sarcasm in Bruce's link above? I've bookmarked it Bruce. I will be using it quite a bit. Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Mar 27, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Paul Stamsen wrote: All the jumping around between top- and bottom-posting makes this impossible to understand! Either all one or all the other, please? Paul Maybe we should have a rule about this sort of thing I thought there was a rule. There are certain people who almost always post under. Bruce and Dan but to name a few. When I noticed that I was lagging behind, I set T-bird up so that when I click reply, the response I type goes at the bottom of the OP. I'd like to find a way to only respond to sections of the OT. I'm trying but I'm not good at it yet. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
On Mar 27, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Paul Stamsen wrote: All the jumping around between top- and bottom-posting makes this impossible to understand! Either all one or all the other, please? Paul Maybe we should have a rule about this sort of thing -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
Previously, at 13:57 pm -0700 3/28/09, Bruce Johnson wrote: Maybe we should have a rule about this sort of thing -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD we used to. . . . now we rely on common sense. p. -- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clarke --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
On Mar 28, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Paul Stamsen wrote: Previously, at 13:57 pm -0700 3/28/09, Bruce Johnson wrote: Maybe we should have a rule about this sort of thing we used to. . . . now we rely on common sense. I forgot my sarcasm/sarcasm tags 8-) As for 'common sense' I read from left to right, top to bottom, I'm old and cranky that way, I guess...I'll continue to answer in that fashion. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
Previously, at 14:16 pm -0700 3/28/09, Bruce Johnson wrote: I forgot my sarcasm/sarcasm tags 8-) As for 'common sense' I read from left to right, top to bottom, I'm old and cranky that way, I guess...I'll continue to answer in that fashion. I guess I forgot as well. 8-) I wasn't complaining about you, Bruce, but about that particular e-mail which was filled with a hodgepodge of replies mixing top-to-bottom and bottom-to-top etc. 8-) p -- What makes dermatoglyphics important as markers for disease and traits is the fact that they develop at specific times in the foetus. Fingerprints, for example, begin to form at around the 13th week and are completed around week 18 - the same time that critical growth in the brain is taking place. Roger Dobson; Scientists Say Palm-reading is True Guide to Intelligence; The Sunday Times (London, UK); Dec 9, 2001. - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
At 8:30 AM -0700 3/27/09, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Mar 27, 2009, at 2:18 AM, Bill Christensen wrote: And in the most recent MAMP server I built, i discovered that you can go into the instruction file and change the ./configure directives. This is important if, for instance, the apache server you're installing doesn't normally come with PEAR or MySQL support, and you know you will likely need support for those. Be careful using MAMP rather than XAMPP or building the various bits by hand. MAMP is designed for developers to have a server system on their Mac for development purposes, and is missing some security stuff that you really want in place for running a live server. From the MAMP website: MAMP was created primarily as a PHP development environment for Macintosh computer and should therefore not be used as Live Webserver for the Internet. In this case, we recommend that you use Mac OS X server with the provided Apache or a Linux server. XAMPP is as easy a plug-n-play solution, and is set up to serve as a live internet server. Just make sure you go through and do the security steps during the installation. We had some folks here leave that step out and their server got hacked. I was using MAMP in the generic form, Mac Apache MySQL PHP, as opposed to the packaged MAMP install. I'd appreciate pointers to any missing security stuff. I took a look at XAMPP recently but didn't see if it's easy to tweak the various server configs to fit specific needs (such as PHP supporting PEAR in the above example). The big problem with plug-and-plays is that they can be hard if not impossible to customize. And it seems that someone always wants something that isn't in the pre-packaged versions. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
At 7:45 PM -0700 3/26/09, nestamicky wrote: I don't have an xserve but do have a Sawtooth that I'd like to put to use the same way the OP is desiring. I think this thread should be kept alive so we can all learn about running a dedicated server on OS X. I'm getting tired of the multi platform computing at home and would like to go complete mac, at least for most of the time. So, let's keep this thread alive! I'd like to learn all there is to set mine up! MacPorts works well for me. There are some 5000+ programs (admittedly, many are those wierd little dependency programs that you have to install before you can add the program you want). One nice thing is that MacPorts knows the dependencies and installs them first, unlike installing from source code. It's really frustrating to run a long compile only to find that there's some cpan module you don't have in place yet. And in the most recent MAMP server I built, i discovered that you can go into the instruction file and change the ./configure directives. This is important if, for instance, the apache server you're installing doesn't normally come with PEAR or MySQL support, and you know you will likely need support for those. Look in the HowTo section for how to upgrade - that shows you where the instruction files are and how to open them for editing. (I changed mine to -with-pear and -with-mysql and re-installed apache with no problem) Also, be sure to read their section on how to build a MAMP server, if that's your goal. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Expat ian.prick...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All I'm setting up a home server (Xserve G4) to act as my main server for data, itunes, web hosting and possibly mail etc. given the choice between OS X Server 10.4 and OS X Client 10.5 which would you choose? I really like the OS X server management tools as they make monitoring and administrating the server incredibly easy but 10.4 doesn't have Time machine , lack of budget is what's preventing me from choosing OS X Server 10.5. What do you think? Don't waste your money on any version of OS X server. Instead use a client version that you already have (or even better, something like Debian for your server--OS X is much more suited for general desktop use then server use). Using a repository like macports you can install nongimped versions of Samba, Apache, Postfix, etc. Then you can use the following instructions (ignore the comment about it being for OS X server, it works fine on OS X client) to install Webmin which'll give you a web based administration interface for all the services you want to run on your server for free: http://www.webmin.com/osx.html. IMO the only benefit of OS X server is the ability to define security policies for macs in one central location as well as have a central source for login authentication, everything else it provides can be done for free without the purchase of a OS X server license. Since you don't seem to want to do either of those things OS X server really won't provide you any benefit. -- Best Regards, John Musbach --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
On Mar 27, 2009, at 2:18 AM, Bill Christensen wrote: And in the most recent MAMP server I built, i discovered that you can go into the instruction file and change the ./configure directives. This is important if, for instance, the apache server you're installing doesn't normally come with PEAR or MySQL support, and you know you will likely need support for those. Be careful using MAMP rather than XAMPP or building the various bits by hand. MAMP is designed for developers to have a server system on their Mac for development purposes, and is missing some security stuff that you really want in place for running a live server. From the MAMP website: MAMP was created primarily as a PHP development environment for Macintosh computer and should therefore not be used as Live Webserver for the Internet. In this case, we recommend that you use Mac OS X server with the provided Apache or a Linux server. XAMPP is as easy a plug-n-play solution, and is set up to serve as a live internet server. Just make sure you go through and do the security steps during the installation. We had some folks here leave that step out and their server got hacked. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
Jonas Ulrich wrote: I definitely agree. I also will need to learn about how to setup my xserve G4 DP 1.33ghz. Does anyone know if they have audio out? Pretty sure it doesn't have audio out. An iMic will solve that problem though. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
On Mar 27, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: whats an iMic?-Jonas http://lmgtfy.com/?q=imicl=1 -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
swt! What about an internal pci modem? I know the xserve doesn't have that. USB modems suck.-Jonas On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Mar 27, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: whats an iMic?-Jonas http://lmgtfy.com/?q=imicl=1 -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
On Mar 27, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: swt! What about an internal pci modem? I know the xserve doesn't have that. USB modems suck.-Jonas Just get an old Airport base station, their modems actually work pretty well I used one for years for internet connectivity at home until I finally broke down and got higher speed internet. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
What is an airport base station?-Jonas On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Mar 27, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: swt! What about an internal pci modem? I know the xserve doesn't have that. USB modems suck.-Jonas Just get an old Airport base station, their modems actually work pretty well I used one for years for internet connectivity at home until I finally broke down and got higher speed internet. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
Previously, at 22:49 pm -0700 3/26/09, Expat wrote: No they don't. On Mar 26, 10:03 pm, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: I definitely agree. I also will need to learn about how to setup my xserve G4 DP 1.33ghz. Does anyone know if they have audio out?-Jonas On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:45 PM, nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: Clark Martin wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: On Mar 26, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Expat wrote: Hi All I'm setting up a home server (Xserve G4) to act as my main server for data, itunes, web hosting and possibly mail etc. given the choice between OS X Server 10.4 and OS X Client 10.5 which would you choose? I think that the difference between Client OS X and Server OSX is that the AFP file server in client is limited to only 10 connections, and it does not support mapping home directories to remote clients. Under OS 9, File Sharing was always severely throttled in comparison to AppleShare Server. I think the same is true in OS X but I've never seen confirmation of that. As a file server alone, though it should work, and there are no limitations on SMB shares. Postfix and Apache are both present, so you could set OSX Client as a mail server and web server; you're also free to install other versions of those, which would not be subject to any OSX limitations. For Web I'd actually recommend XAMPP, it makes getting Apache, PHP, PERL, and Mysql all plug-n-play http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html We ue XAMPP for our production server setup for the College, it works great. My home server is (client) Leopard on a Digital Audio G4. I have DHCP and BIND (DNS) running on it and I'm using Webmin to control them. Webmin is an HTTP based front end for a number of server apps. I don't have an xserve but do have a Sawtooth that I'd like to put to use the same way the OP is desiring. I think this thread should be kept alive so we can all learn about running a dedicated server on OS X. I'm getting tired of the multi platform computing at home and would like to go complete mac, at least for most of the time. So, let's keep this thread alive! I'd like to learn all there is to set mine up! All the jumping around between top- and bottom-posting makes this impossible to understand! Either all one or all the other, please? Paul -- What makes dermatoglyphics important as markers for disease and traits is the fact that they develop at specific times in the foetus. Fingerprints, for example, begin to form at around the 13th week and are completed around week 18 - the same time that critical growth in the brain is taking place. Roger Dobson; Scientists Say Palm-reading is True Guide to Intelligence; The Sunday Times (London, UK); Dec 9, 2001. - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
On Mar 27, 12:16 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Mar 27, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: whats an iMic?-Jonas http://lmgtfy.com/?q=imicl=1 -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs Ha ha! Bruce, that's fiendishly clever... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
This is good. I was just about to post a question exactly like this. I am in the same boat. I just bought two Xserve G4's and have the same question. -Jonas On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Mar 26, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Expat wrote: Hi All I'm setting up a home server (Xserve G4) to act as my main server for data, itunes, web hosting and possibly mail etc. given the choice between OS X Server 10.4 and OS X Client 10.5 which would you choose? I think that the difference between Client OS X and Server OSX is that the AFP file server in client is limited to only 10 connections, and it does not support mapping home directories to remote clients. As a file server alone, though it should work, and there are no limitations on SMB shares. Postfix and Apache are both present, so you could set OSX Client as a mail server and web server; you're also free to install other versions of those, which would not be subject to any OSX limitations. For Web I'd actually recommend XAMPP, it makes getting Apache, PHP, PERL, and Mysql all plug-n-play http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html We ue XAMPP for our production server setup for the College, it works great. You also don't get the nifty management tools you get with OS X Server. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Mar 26, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Expat wrote: Hi All I'm setting up a home server (Xserve G4) to act as my main server for data, itunes, web hosting and possibly mail etc. given the choice between OS X Server 10.4 and OS X Client 10.5 which would you choose? I think that the difference between Client OS X and Server OSX is that the AFP file server in client is limited to only 10 connections, and it does not support mapping home directories to remote clients. Under OS 9, File Sharing was always severely throttled in comparison to AppleShare Server. I think the same is true in OS X but I've never seen confirmation of that. As a file server alone, though it should work, and there are no limitations on SMB shares. Postfix and Apache are both present, so you could set OSX Client as a mail server and web server; you're also free to install other versions of those, which would not be subject to any OSX limitations. For Web I'd actually recommend XAMPP, it makes getting Apache, PHP, PERL, and Mysql all plug-n-play http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html We ue XAMPP for our production server setup for the College, it works great. My home server is (client) Leopard on a Digital Audio G4. I have DHCP and BIND (DNS) running on it and I'm using Webmin to control them. Webmin is an HTTP based front end for a number of server apps. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
Clark Martin wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: On Mar 26, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Expat wrote: Hi All I'm setting up a home server (Xserve G4) to act as my main server for data, itunes, web hosting and possibly mail etc. given the choice between OS X Server 10.4 and OS X Client 10.5 which would you choose? I think that the difference between Client OS X and Server OSX is that the AFP file server in client is limited to only 10 connections, and it does not support mapping home directories to remote clients. Under OS 9, File Sharing was always severely throttled in comparison to AppleShare Server. I think the same is true in OS X but I've never seen confirmation of that. As a file server alone, though it should work, and there are no limitations on SMB shares. Postfix and Apache are both present, so you could set OSX Client as a mail server and web server; you're also free to install other versions of those, which would not be subject to any OSX limitations. For Web I'd actually recommend XAMPP, it makes getting Apache, PHP, PERL, and Mysql all plug-n-play http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html We ue XAMPP for our production server setup for the College, it works great. My home server is (client) Leopard on a Digital Audio G4. I have DHCP and BIND (DNS) running on it and I'm using Webmin to control them. Webmin is an HTTP based front end for a number of server apps. I don't have an xserve but do have a Sawtooth that I'd like to put to use the same way the OP is desiring. I think this thread should be kept alive so we can all learn about running a dedicated server on OS X. I'm getting tired of the multi platform computing at home and would like to go complete mac, at least for most of the time. So, let's keep this thread alive! I'd like to learn all there is to set mine up! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
I definitely agree. I also will need to learn about how to setup my xserve G4 DP 1.33ghz. Does anyone know if they have audio out?-Jonas On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:45 PM, nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: Clark Martin wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: On Mar 26, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Expat wrote: Hi All I'm setting up a home server (Xserve G4) to act as my main server for data, itunes, web hosting and possibly mail etc. given the choice between OS X Server 10.4 and OS X Client 10.5 which would you choose? I think that the difference between Client OS X and Server OSX is that the AFP file server in client is limited to only 10 connections, and it does not support mapping home directories to remote clients. Under OS 9, File Sharing was always severely throttled in comparison to AppleShare Server. I think the same is true in OS X but I've never seen confirmation of that. As a file server alone, though it should work, and there are no limitations on SMB shares. Postfix and Apache are both present, so you could set OSX Client as a mail server and web server; you're also free to install other versions of those, which would not be subject to any OSX limitations. For Web I'd actually recommend XAMPP, it makes getting Apache, PHP, PERL, and Mysql all plug-n-play http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html We ue XAMPP for our production server setup for the College, it works great. My home server is (client) Leopard on a Digital Audio G4. I have DHCP and BIND (DNS) running on it and I'm using Webmin to control them. Webmin is an HTTP based front end for a number of server apps. I don't have an xserve but do have a Sawtooth that I'd like to put to use the same way the OP is desiring. I think this thread should be kept alive so we can all learn about running a dedicated server on OS X. I'm getting tired of the multi platform computing at home and would like to go complete mac, at least for most of the time. So, let's keep this thread alive! I'd like to learn all there is to set mine up! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
No they don't. On Mar 26, 10:03 pm, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: I definitely agree. I also will need to learn about how to setup my xserve G4 DP 1.33ghz. Does anyone know if they have audio out?-Jonas On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:45 PM, nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: Clark Martin wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: On Mar 26, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Expat wrote: Hi All I'm setting up a home server (Xserve G4) to act as my main server for data, itunes, web hosting and possibly mail etc. given the choice between OS X Server 10.4 and OS X Client 10.5 which would you choose? I think that the difference between Client OS X and Server OSX is that the AFP file server in client is limited to only 10 connections, and it does not support mapping home directories to remote clients. Under OS 9, File Sharing was always severely throttled in comparison to AppleShare Server. I think the same is true in OS X but I've never seen confirmation of that. As a file server alone, though it should work, and there are no limitations on SMB shares. Postfix and Apache are both present, so you could set OSX Client as a mail server and web server; you're also free to install other versions of those, which would not be subject to any OSX limitations. For Web I'd actually recommend XAMPP, it makes getting Apache, PHP, PERL, and Mysql all plug-n-play http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html We ue XAMPP for our production server setup for the College, it works great. My home server is (client) Leopard on a Digital Audio G4. I have DHCP and BIND (DNS) running on it and I'm using Webmin to control them. Webmin is an HTTP based front end for a number of server apps. I don't have an xserve but do have a Sawtooth that I'd like to put to use the same way the OP is desiring. I think this thread should be kept alive so we can all learn about running a dedicated server on OS X. I'm getting tired of the multi platform computing at home and would like to go complete mac, at least for most of the time. So, let's keep this thread alive! I'd like to learn all there is to set mine up! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
